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Did Dinosaurs Live with Man?

By Doug Huntington|Christian Post Reporter

Since the first discovery of dinosaurs, Christians have had to rationalize how the giant lizards fit into the Bible, and when they existed.

While there have been extensive arguments over the issue by religious and secular groups, strict creationists have begun to make a strong push toward trying to prove the legitimacy of the co-habitation of dinosaurs with mankind.

According to them, there is no question that God created the two on the same day just few thousands of years ago.

“[A]lmost every culture has stories about dragons,” explained Ken Ham, founder of the $27 million Creation Museum, which supports a literal interpretation of the Bible, in a statement. “We believe this is because people and dinosaurs inhabited the earth at the same time, and what we would call a dinosaur, the ancients referred to as dragons."

Despite scientific assertions that dinosaurs lived, died, and became extinct millions of years ago before man, there is still a great deal of support in favor of a six-day account of creation, which would place humans side-by-side with behemoths like Tyrannosaurus rex. With a quick Google search, people can find thousands of websites describing in detail why dinosaurs must have been living in the same period as man.

For years, one of the debated issues is whether or not the Bible even mentions the beasts. If one can pinpoint scriptural support, then it would surely put man as a coexisting specie.

Three words may be synonymous, argue some Christians, for the huge lizards: “tanniyn,” “behemoth,” and “leviathan.” The most widely used example is “behemoth,” which is found in Job.

“The word ‘dinosaur’ is not found anywhere in the Bible,” explains a creationist web link titled “Are Dinosaurs in the Bible?” “This is because the word ‘dinosaur’ was not invented until the mid 1800's. The King James Bible was translated into English in 1611, so we would not expect to find the word ‘dinosaur.’”

Since this explanation for the existence of “behemoths” is so vague, however, strict creationists have had to come up with more evidence in recent years to try and back up their claims.

Some have used direct biblical text to try and back up their analysis. An example is that these large creatures have “tails like cedar trees” in the Bible, which many dispute must be dinosaurs.

Others have tried to make a direct scientific link by looking at the same fossil evidence that evolutionists look at. An example of this has been arguments that carbon dating does not accurately place dinosaurs as living more than 10,000 years ago.

Several non-Christians, as well as Christians who do not believe in a complete literal translation of the Bible, have expressed that evolutionary evidence is much more convincing then what has been presented by strict creationists, however. They also argue that creationists simply mold their evidence, so it can fit into the Bible.

Despite who’s right, several ministries in the past years have been willing to invest in the literal creation model, making large financial contributions.

In 2001, an American evangelist named Kent Hovind built a theme park in Pensacola, Fla., completely based on the dinosaur-human relationship called Dinosaur Adventure Land. The legitimacy of the learning exhibit has been debated by many groups, however, and even some fellow Young Earth creationists – who believe the earth was created relatively recently (about 6,000 years ago) – have not supported his evidence.

At the newly-made Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky., dinosaurs have become such a popular theme that the builders even unveiled a two-story Dinosaur Den on July 4. This is in addition several other dino models throughout the museum.

"We are so thankful to have the resources to build a quality exhibit devoted to the very creatures so closely associated with the arguments about creation and evolution," added Ham. "We are hoping that people of all ages will enjoy the dinosaur displays and learn that the science of paleontology supports biblical creation."

It’s clear that the co-habitation issue will not be cleared up anytime soon, and debates will continue to thrive. But at least the two camps can agree on one thing: dinosaurs are quite fascinating.

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  • Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:39 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    I don't think that trying to denigrate and corrupt science to fit a literal interpretation of the Bible is very constructive. But, if people want to believe the earth isn't even as old as the pyramids, oh well. A little nutso, but let them have their little theme park to fantasy.

    Genesis was never supposed to be read as a factual recounting of creation. It's a fable meant to convey that God created the world. It is not a textbook, but apparently children are being taught that all the science in the world is wrong, confusing the heck out of them when they reach the level wehre they're exposed to a quality education. It's a shame, really, that they have to try to reconcile a wrongheaded view of the Scriptures with reality.

  • Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    If carbon dating is indeed wrong, that would be the only valuable arguement for this theory... otherwise there are none.. but I'm pretty sure most scientists accept Carbon Dating.... Simply because one expert does not, does not mean that he speaks for the whole group =/.

  • Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:36 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Sujames,

    you said

    "as a biologist/scientist, i am absolutely mortified that anyone could believe something as stupid as this. there is scientific PROOF that dinosaurs died out 65 MILLION years before humans came into existance"

    as an archaeologist I am absolutely mortified that anyone could seriously believe in the accuracy of the dating methods. I have been studying it for years and it is one of the biggest jokes that exists.

  • Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:46 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    www.exn.ca/dinosaurs this is an artical i found,that the discovery channel did,they state the followingWhile most of North America heads to theatres to watch the trials and tribulations of Hollywood dinosaurs being recreated from extracted dino DNA, real life scientists in Montana believe they have found elements of blood from the bones of a T-rex that died over 80 million years ago.



    It's the first time that blood components, specifically fragments of hemoglobin, have been recovered from dinosaur bones making this find the closest science has come to Michael Crichton's "Lost World."Hemoglobin is a protein inside red blood cells that carries oxygen
    "It's very significant," says Dr. Mark Marshall, a researcher based at the Walter Cancer Institute in Indianapolis, "There's been a lot of talk lately about getting DNA from dinosaurs and finding out what made them tick which isn't likely to happen, but proteins can carry a lot of the same information as DNA, and finding proteins preserved is the next best thing."The dinosaur from which the blood fragments were extracted was a Tyrannosaurs rex, nearly complete, and found buried in conditions that prevented mineralization of the bones. Even the interior of the bones were well preserved.

  • Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    check out these links- science can only take you so far then it becomes faith http//news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070720/sc_afp/uspaleontology;_ylt=AhZ40beq60EvcoQDqyLprPMPLBIF http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070719/sc_nm/dinosaurs_dc;_ylt=AsixKrM9AvWzNxKjDwsDIBEPLBIF

  • Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:47 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 13

    The pictures of dragons on stones match with dinosaurs that we find today, and there is a lot of evidence that people lived with dinosaurs before. You are just trying to make up anything to disprove it... And you said that evolution happens only over a million of years here you are quitting a science and entering a religion, see you have to believe it happens over a million of years. Science is what we can observe and test, evolution is none of those. If evolution is true then why do they use lies to support it. For example: Text books says that whale has vestigial pelvis that serve no purpose, and this is simply a lie, whales need those bones to reproduce; also they say human has a tail bone that serves no purpose, which is a lie because it does serve a valuable functions; Also why do they use false pictures of embryo for humans and animals to show similarities in development... And that all you have, to prove evolution, all imagination and lies? And you call it a fact. Devil is a father of all lies, and you believed him... Lets discuss some real facts: Sun is shrinking rapidly and there is no way earth can make it to be a billion years old; moon is moving away from earth which also shows a young earth; earth's spin is slowing down which proves it cannot be billion of years old… Jesus lived and we count years from His birth, because He is Son of GOD and a center of our lives, who can take our sins upon Himself... I would recommend you to watch Kent Hovinds seminars on drdino.com and get saved... Everything in the nature relies on each other, and that proves that it had to be created all at the same time... I don’t have time for this, so I might not post anything else, and that doesn’t mean that I don’t know it…Anyways its useless because you are not searching for the truth…

  • Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:57 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 4

    Serge, honestly, I don’t even know where to begin with the inaccuracies in your post, but here goes. 1. Regarding the use of the word “dragon” – dragon has been used throughout the ages to refer to many different reptiles, such as the Komodo dragon, alligators, and crocodiles (which were and still are very present in Israel). The dragon well was most definitely named for crocodiles. 2. Just because people drew pictures of and created stories about dragons does not mean they exist. For example, my high school mascot was a unicorn and thus there were pictures of unicorns around the school. This does not mean that they actually existed. 3. They did NOT find blood in dinosaur bones. What you are referring to was, to use the words of Schweitzer, the original author, “mysterious spheres tucked into the blood vessel chambers of a 65-million-year-old Tyrannosaurus rex fossil.” Carl Wieland, CEO of Answers in Genesis Ministry, then took this paper by Schweitzer, who is known in the science community for his anti-science sensationalism, took this evidence and totally misrepresented it in several non-scientific journals. Wieland (who is considered a joke in molecular bio) greatly exaggerated and distorted this data for his own profit. In sum: no one has EVER found blood in a dino fossil. 4. even had there been dinos back then, noah could still not have gathered them all, even baby dinos for the reasons I mentioned earlier. 5. lastly, to even imply that dogs could become non-dogs, sprout wings, or grow horns show that you know absolutely nothing about evolution, which does not claim this is possible (except over the course of millions of years.) Evolution is the spontaneous mutation of DNA, be it a nucleotide mutation (point mutations, deletions, insertions, etc.) or chromosome aberration (deletion, polyploidy, inversions, etc). A nucleotide mutation leads to very small structural or functional changes in amino acids, which then produce slight changes in the proteins that every cell in you body produces. These changes are very small and pile up over time to, along with natural selection, slowly produce new species. You said to me “Open your mind and think logically.” My specialty is microbiology, which encompasses genetics, molecular bio, and evolution. I argue a case of scientific fact, you argue that dragons exist because people drew pictures of them. Who here is thinking illogically? Please respond if you still think you are right.

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:04 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 10

    In the Nehemiah 2:13 is written "And I went out by night by the gate of the valley, even before the dragon well, and to the dung port, and viewed the walls of Jerusalem, which were broken down, and the gates thereof were consumed with fire." Why would something be called a dragon well? There were dragons (dinosaurs) in that area, and people saw them and they called that place a dragon well... Its obvious that people lived with dinosaurs... There is a lot of pictures on the stones and on the walls with dinosours, and there is a lot of legends about dinosours. How would they know about them if they didn't see them? There was blood found in dinosour bones. Blood doesn't store for millions of years... Open your mind and think logically, don't just try to disprove that there is no GOD, because there is nothing worst than comming to the judgment of GOD and not having your sins forgiven, so open your heart to the LORD before its too late... And Noah didn't have to find a biggest dinosour, he just took babes on the ark, and he didn't have to take each species but each kind of animal. And then they would make different species. No one has ever seen a dog producing a non dog, and horns or wings will never grow on a dog, its always stays a dog... So think about it and repent before Jesus Christ before its too late, because judgement is comming to those who didn't believe in GOD...

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:41 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    dannypoo,
    in case you didnt know all dogs are the SAME SPECIES (canis familiaris). this means that any dog can reproduce with any other dog with fertile offspring. the varience among dogs (and cats) is much like different races in humans - we look different but can still make children together. and trust me, as a biologist ive read tons of Darwin and others, and yes, a good bit of varience can appear in a few generations, but for speciation to occur, many many generations must pass.

  • Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:53 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    ::begin quote::
    as someone who has studied both micro and macro evolution for years, i can tell you it would take much more time for so many different species of cat. evolution is a very slow process requiring many thousands of years to produce such diversity. not only that, but if noah did take two of every kind, it would still take much longer than just one lifetime to collect that many animals and keep them alive in one place without them dying of old age, eating each other, or disease spreading throughout the ark which would easily kill many of them.
    ::end quote::

    wait, are you sure it would take "much" longer than thousands of years to produce different kinds of cats? I have seen Dog breeders(my mother was in the dog breeding business for many years) for example taking one set of dogs(male and female) and come up with dogs that look extensively different within 20 years. Now, this was in a controlled environment, but as Darwin showed us, even in nature it doesnt take more than a generation or two of birds to become altered to a noticable degree. (hence, micro-evolution)

  • Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:33 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 4

    as someone who has studied both micro and macro evolution for years, i can tell you it would take much more time for so many different species of cat. evolution is a very slow process requiring many thousands of years to produce such diversity. not only that, but if noah did take two of every kind, it would still take much longer than just one lifetime to collect that many animals and keep them alive in one place without them dying of old age, eating each other, or disease spreading throughout the ark which would easily kill many of them.

  • Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:49 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 4

    :::begin quote::: and considering that there are over 1,250,000 species of just extant animals, one would have to be absolutely stupid to believe that noah could collect 2 of each - even if this were to be done, it would take many lifetimes and practially infinite space in the arc::endquote::

    This is a fallacious argument(within the context of scripture). The bible does not say Noah took two of each Species, it says two of each "kind". For example providing that scripture is true, he did not take 2 of every species of cat which would be in the hundreds if not thousands, rather he would have taken one species of Cat. Through Micro-Evolution we would within a few generations have an ample supply of species of cats.

  • Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:05 pm Agree: 18   Disagree: 10

    as a biologist/scientist, i am absolutely mortified that anyone could believe something as stupid as this. there is scientific PROOF that dinosaurs died out 65 MILLION years before humans came into existance. it honestly scares me to think that people are so gullible as to refute facts in favor of the mythology of the bible. the earth is around 4.5 billion years old, not 6000. and considering that there are over 1,250,000 species of just extant animals, one would have to be absolutely stupid to believe that noah could collect 2 of each - even if this were to be done, it would take many lifetimes and practially infinite space in the arc. when people open "museums" such as the one mentioned, it makes me sick to think that these people are warping our childrens minds with such lies. shame on them.

  • Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:11 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    I don't think eitherside of this debate has conclusively proved scientifically what they believe. That is the fun of science. We should constantly question and challenge what we believe in science, because it changes rapidly. We should never say that the debate is done and that is the final answer. Ok maybe we can with a few things ie... gravity and etc. I personally believe the Bible should be literally translated and that we as Christians haven't tried very hard to come up with hard evidence. God will reveal things to us. I love to read about scientist who are doing research in the lab to disprove theory that suggests we can evlove, because everyone knows that once life begins it is in a slow progression of aging to death not a greater being. The fun is in the debate no matter what you believe.

  • Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:43 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 6

    I loathe the day this 'museum' opened. This is much like wasting money on a museum that promotes a flat earth.

    Yes, there was a Noah, yes he built an ark, yes, there was a flood... no Dino's did not live with man!! Do you all even realize that we are still in Day 7? The day of God's rest. It has so far lasted at least 7,000 years...

    So how can any of you think that the first 6-days were 24 Hours? I really wish the Church would stop making fools of themselves.

  • Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:48 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Mikey, it's conceivable that Noah brought two of each "kind"... What if he brought two chicken sized dinosaurs? Or what if he simply brought some crocs? Or what if he wasn't aware of the creatures? Some animals didn't live in that region.... he didn't come to the US to pick up T-Rexes.

    For anyone who uses lack of mention of dinosaurs in the Bible as proof against them living with man is off the mark. I don't know that the Bible mentions monkeys or giraffes or sharks either?

    This isn't the forum for the full debate, but I felt obliged to address those 2 issues.

  • Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:54 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 9

    veresun

    Yes, I believe that there was a time when these creatures shared the earth with man.

    The book of Job is the only book that we have where the author mentions these creatures.
    It is widely believed that this book was authored before the flood.

    It is thought that these creatures perished prior to the flood, but the earth was able to preserve the remains.

    I honestly believe that as the population of mankind increased, the population of these creatures decreased. They served a purpose for a time.

  • Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:09 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 6

    Although I'm open to the idea, for the moment I don't think that dinos lived alongside man. To me, evolutionary evidence outweighs literal six-day scientists' evidence. It doesn't make any sense to me why dinosaurs would have gone extinct and not man. You guys have seen Jurassic Park. There's no way we could stand up to those big guys. :) And you can't say the flood killed them, because Moses was supposed to bring two of every animal. How could t-rex fit on that boat?

  • AC »
    Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:54 am Agree: 8   Disagree: 9

    Yes. Man did live with dinosaurs. They were both created on day six.

  • Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:11 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I'm curious about what is your answer of this title above, Mr.wrhalver

  • Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    There are a lot of things about the Messiah that didn't make the Bible either.

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