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Church|Sun, Aug. 26 2007 08:41 AM EDT

Megachurch Co-Pastors Announce Divorce

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

The married duo pastoring one of the nation's biggest churches is planning for divorce.

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    Paula White shares on wealth God's way as a keynote speaker for the Learning Annex Real Estate & Wealth Expo in Atlanta Feb. 24-25, 2007.

Randy and Paula White of Without Walls International in Tampa, Fla., announced their decision to split at their Thursday evening service, shocking most congregants and bringing some to tears.

"It's the most difficult decision I've ever had to make in my entire life," Randy White told the congregation with Paula by his side at the podium appearing choked up, according to Tampa Bay Online.

Married nearly 18 years, the Whites, who have both been married and divorced before, said in interviews that the split is amicable. They also mentioned that the divorce comes after years of visits to counselors.

Trouble in the couple's marriage was picked up by The Tampa Tribune in May as the two were rarely seen preaching together anymore.

Both blamed the two different directions their lives are going.

Paula, 41, the church's senior pastor, leads her own ministry, making frequent trips as a sought-after speaker, author and televangelist. She leads monthly services at her newly opened Life by Design Empowerment Center in New York, appears regularly on "The Tyra Banks Show" as a life coach and serves as oversight pastor at Family Praise Center in San Antonio, Texas.

Meanwhile, Randy, 49, has been traveling to Malibu, Calif., where he plans to start another church, he told his Tampa congregation. He already signed a one-year lease on a beachfront dwelling there but plans for the new church are on hold, according to TBO.

Randy White will remain at Without Walls as senior pastor and Paula will remain based in Tampa and pledged to return frequently to preach.

Some congregants said the surprising announcement won't deter their continual attendance.

The announcement "didn't weaken the church in any way," said Kerran Fuller, who has been attending the church for less than a year, according to the TBO.

Still, Randy predicts attendance at the 23,000-member church "will take a hit" and finances will also be affected. Paula White Ministries brings in about $50,000 to $80,000 a week, said Randy.

Critics have raised questions over the Whites' financial wealth with church revenues at nearly $40 million last year and a $22 million debt, according to Without Walls church board member Alick Clark of Action, Calif. The couple has a Bayshore Boulevard home with an assessed value of $2.22 million, a New York condo valued at about $3.5 million and a private jet, as reported by TBO.

Randy said most of the couple's personal income reportedly comes from private businesses, including a real estate company and sales in books and other resources to the church, according to The Tampa Tribune.

Some have left the church when the couple's theology "stopped lining up biblically," said former staff member Larry DeLaRosa.

The Whites preach a prosperity message. Critics say their message of prosperity were at the expense of humility and family values.

"Too many ministries have become big business. That message is desecrating the church today," Clarke said, according to TBO.

The Whites have declined to say what the church pays them but say the church now supports more than 90 missions and in-house and community outreach programs.

"What they've done for this community, people have no idea," Tampa physician Sydel LeGrande told the local Tribune.

"I know they're not perfect. I've heard some of the things said around town, and some of it is probably true, but this much I know: God has placed a tremendous call on their lives. It requires a lot of them," said LeGrande, also a congregant at Without Walls, known as the perfect church for people who aren’t, for a dozen years. Continue >>

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  • Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:26 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    My (Pastors) Wife abandoned me 3 years ago for a handsome millionaire. On the day that she returns, repents and surrenders her life unconditionally to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, is the day I rejoice in her return. Until that day, I continue to remain faithful to her (and will continue until I stand before Him). The thought of divorcement horrifies me. It is unfathomable for me to imagine living a life utterly surrendered unto the bond-service of our precious Lord, and so much as fathom such an act as relational abandonment. There is no greater loss possible in this life, than to lose a Loved one to indifference. There is no greater demonstration of Lovelessness, than divorce.

  • Fri May 23, 2008 7:11 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    These people are going thru a rough time right now. They are people too you know. Why would any true christian want to attack them. This is the time to stand with them, pray for them and help them heal. RANDY JUST BURIED HIS DAUGHTER.. I'm sure that he is heart broken. Please let's remember that even if the one you looked up to falls they are only human. Lets pick them up in prayer. I don't think Jesus would say "OH u fell down let me step on you". Just because they are well known doesn't mean that they don't have faults. We are not supposed to put ANYONE higher than God. Even when they preach or teach the bible. That's why so many are troubled that this happened. They put Randy and Paula higher than God and they fell. Godly people don't fall or have trouble do they? The devil can attack ANYONE. Some of these comments are just attacks. We all know where these kinda thoughts come from. STOP giving the devil room to grow. Let's pray not hinder!!!!!!!!

  • Tue May 06, 2008 6:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    I have been reading the posts on the "divorce" stories on this website for the past two days. I now understand why so many in this world hate the church. I have not been to church for two years because of people like you. It has been wonderful, I see God leading my life like He never could before. Anyone can throw out scripture and try to sound intelligent, but where is the Christlike attitude that people can actually respect? I stayed in a bad marriage for too long because I listened to ignorant people who insisted that if I was more submissive my marriage would improve. He never cheated on me, so should I still be with him? How many women are murdered by their husbands because no one supports them, and they have no one to turn to? It's time to stop judging the women in the church for being brave enough to take care of themselves and their children. These women need support and compassion, not judgement. I was lucky enough to have people support me with the hardest decision I ever made (unfortunately it wasn't my church). Believe me, no one ends a marriage without a lot of thought and prayer.

  • Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:16 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Yes this is sad. However, I believe that this couple needs to take a back seat in a church and allow God to show them their ways. I know quite a few ministers (male and female) that go thru divorce and keep on in the pulpit. This should not be. But no one wants to speak out on what goes on behind closed doors. It's a wonder that our Heavenly Father hasn't covered the entire planet with vomit.

  • Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:29 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Yournotputtingmedown-

    I am sorry you were mentally scarred by this. I am also very certain that you are exaggerating which people often do to make their situation seem worse. As for extorting your children, perhaps he had a better job and could better care for them. That is more or less what a judge is looking for. And as for your "Oh the church needs women to be the scapegoats for men" theory, how did you draw this from your encounter? Are you saying that the Church is evil? Are you still in it? Maybe you were trespassed, but that is no need to mark the whole church as a chovenistic, male-tyranny corporation. There are numerous spots in the church for women. Nuns are great blessings. They help children learn, they do great acts of service and prayer. It takes a special woman to be a nun. Please do not just steryotype the Church as a male-run, no place for women church. The church is human. It has its flaws.

  • Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:15 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    I do not condone divorce. I do believe that God sanctified the family unit. Several of you are quick to point out the scripture 1Cor 7:10. Since God is no respector of persons,
    Will the man also stay to himself and not be with another woman?
    I went through a divorce in 2000. The man has married not one, but two women since me.
    I have been with not one single person in anyway. While we were married, this man had manipulated a pastor to get him to speak a word to control me from the pulpit (after the service he told me to "obey God"), he lied about my daughter, among other mind manipulations. And 5 years later after the divorce, he extorted my daughter and son-in-law to get back at me. When I tried to visit this church we were originally married in, a Sunday school teacher was quick to point out he had never been betrayed by his wife leaving him (infront of the church). I'm sure that they didn't make him a public example by showing his being married twice after me was committing adultery (to punish him). I guess they wanted to see bruises and blood (which is what would have happened, and yes, even a pastor told me that) It seems to me that the church which is supposed to stand up for what is right, stood up and defended the wrong. People, you must quit using women to cover up the wrongs of the men, or the administration of the church. I am tired of being the fall guy because church leaders think that if they keep the women in line, everything will be allright. Do you know how many women are out there who want to come to church and be a part of, but cannot because order in the church is amiss at this time? And no, we don't want your men. We just want to love and worship God.
    I want to love and support what is right in the church of God, according to His word.
    Will you let me?
    Tired of the ostracization,
    Kim

  • Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:51 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    testing

  • Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:11 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Does this really come as a surprise to anyone? Paula and Randy White are human beings just like the rest of us. I'm sorry to hear that they have had troubles. On the other hand, I'm not surprised at all. The article even states they've been to counseling many times. Is their hope in God or in the wisdom of men? Secondly, what about covetousness? Paula is obviously materialistic, and Randy isn't exactly hiding it with his 'beachfront Church.' Paula and Randy White are among many popular liberal preachers, who have no intention on truly following the Word or the Will of God.

  • Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:49 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 2

    "1 Cor 7:10 - 11 (NKJV) 10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. 11 But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife. "

    According to the Word of God, if Paula White divorces, she should remain single. So, we will see what happens.

  • Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:52 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    I am so sad to hear about this... My heart goes out to the White's. I have enjoyed Paula's preaching for years and am dismayed at this news. Well The BIBLE does say that the LOVE OF MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL!! and there are so many mega churches now..Which is why I do not attend church any longer. I have my personal relationship with God and read my bible daily for my guidance. But it is all biblical so every day time is getting shorter and prophesy is fulfilling itself.. I am not here to jude because I have been through many of those valleys myself..God is always in control and uses our choices to either make us or break us but he is always with us and wants the best for us.

  • Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:06 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 0

    I am currently in a marriage that is not always to my liking should I just walk away? Randy and Paula are supposed to be shining examples of our faith, is this what they are showing or is it "all about what they want"? What sets them apart fromthe way the world lives? Actions speak louder than words!!! Apparently they think they need to be free to see other people. Does God care more about their ministry or about their families? When I stand in front of God I don't think he is going to be as cocerned with my ministry as he is with how Ied my family!

  • Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:33 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    The folks in the Church has to have the boldness and tell both of them to step down and look for someone who has calling. Let these people do not make you fool .
    compassion is to be given where needed but not for both of them as they do not need it, it is their ego and Church fellows, you have been foooled by them till now. Get to the bible and walk with God, not with these guys ... anyone who stands in the way of supporting their break be cursed.

  • Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:20 am Agree: 12   Disagree: 1

    We are NOT under the Law but under grace. So what did Jesus, (grace) say about divorce?

    Matt 5:31 - 32 (NKJV) 31“Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except £sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.

    Mark 10:2 - 9 (NKJV) 2The Pharisees came and asked Him, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?” testing Him. 3And He answered and said to them, “What did Moses command you?” 4They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce, and to dismiss her.” 5And Jesus answered and said to them, “Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. 6But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’£ 7‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 8and the two shall become one flesh’;£ so then they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
    What does the New Testament (testament of grace) say.

    1 Cor 7:10 - 11 (NKJV) 10Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. 11But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.
    I am very concerned that when one in leadership justifies their actions which the Bible clearly states is wrong, many other Christians will do the same in their marriage. I had heard that the divorce rate among Christians was equal to non-Christians but until recently I did not believe it. How could Christians, who know what God has said on this issue, divorce without Biblical cause of infidelity or non-believing spouse?
    It would seem we are taking a path that Israel took in justifying their sins and still claiming God's blessings. I do pray for her marriage but mainly that God will bring them out of spiritual deception. Anything that justifies what the Bible clearly says is wrong is deception.

  • Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:34 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 5

    This is truly a sad event in the Body of Christ. It is unfortunate that these things happen more than we would like to admit. My prayers go out to Paula and Randy. As Christians we should guard ourselves against throwing stones at them. We all will have to give an account for our actions to the Lord Himself one day. I have enough logs in my own eyes I don't have a right to be focusing on the planks in the eyes of my brother and sister.

  • pj »
    Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:08 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    hello people....

    i see this as another opportunity for us to focus as a people and as a body on what is real. What is the difference between news and information? Our lives demand more and it is time to ask these questions, what is sin? what is in the mind of God concerning sin/wrong? Is evil stronger than good? what is God going to reward at the end of time - preaching the word alone or making profit in every area of our lives by engaging the word, i.e. our habits, likes, self control etc?

    You see, every word of God in our lives demand a responsibility on us to take charge and see to it that we make profit on the strength of that word.

    People lets not celebrate their mistake. Let is gather around them in love. Love always win...i have come to know that.......

  • Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:44 am Agree: 10   Disagree: 2

    WARNING: BEWARE OF FALSE TEACHERS! The only remedy for this couple if for them to REPENT and LOVE GOD. Jesus says IF YOU LOVE ME YOU WILL KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS! Apparently by their behavior they do not love God, but rather their careers and their positions as pastors. How sad this must be to the heart of our Loving Savior!

  • Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:24 pm Agree: 10   Disagree: 3

    The whole situation reminds me of Romans 3:22-23, where Paul says "You say you're following God's law but you're not and God's name is being blasphemed among the Gentiles because of it".

    Well, Randy and Paula, you say you're following God's word (or maybe you don't even care at this point), but you're not and God's name is being blasphemed among the unsaved because of it.

    The fact that it's Unbiblical for a woman to be pastor aside, why doesn't their church love them enough (not to mention, why doesn't their church love God's word enough) to discipline them?

    Not one word from the church about discipline or asking them to step down until they repent and can be Biblically restored to a right relationship with God and, judging from their comments, this certainly seems to be the last thing on their minds.

    Welcome to Laidicea, folks.

  • Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:53 am Agree: 21   Disagree: 0

    If the Whites had the same passion for their marriage as they have for making money, their marriage would be the model for Christianity. Divorce does not just happen, it takes planning, pride, planning, lying, planning, time, planning, patience, planning, disregard for the Word of God, planning, and finally a break in their relationship with God. Restoration takes repentance, repentance, repentance, not excuses or justification for their divorce or the sins leading up to it.

    If the Whites think that a "call" into ministry, regardless of the office they serve in, comes before the vows of marriage they are WRONG! There are only 2 vows that are required by the Lord: #1 - a vow to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior; and #2 - a vow in marriage. There is nothing that comes before these vows. Ecclesiastes 5:4 says, do not make a vow to God and break it; do not say that you made a mistake (paraphrased).

    There are so many people writing that they forgive the Whites, but there is nothing to forgive them for until they have repented to the Lord. Repent before the devil steals, kills, and destroys everything else in their lives. If they do divorce, then step down from ministry because they are fit and they certainly are not anointed by God to lead His people.

    WWIC is not “theirs” because it belongs to God. God said He would build HIS church, not theirs. Step down from ministry for a season (God has 7,000 more to take your place). Step out of the world’s system and back into God’s system. Go back to what got them there, faith, obedience, and the love of God.

    Maybe if they go to www.wclandtm.com and click on "How's your marriage doing" they might realize that it is not too late.

    To God be the glory,

    Pastor Leo

  • Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:25 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 3

    They both still have their first love: money.

  • Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:21 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 0

    USA christianity is putting Christ to shame with their worldly and sinful lives.Why cant those who profess Christ live according to the teachings of the Bible?If you can't live for Christ, forget about following Him. Please don't put on a mask!!

  • Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:31 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 4

    American Gospel Christianity is sicking to no end. Can cause one/many to stumble with matters of faith, to not have any at all. May God bring Judgement to the USA. We have bastardized The Truth of Your Word and taken for granted Your Daily Mercies to justify our sinfulness.

  • Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:43 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Are they divorcing thought on Biblical grounds? That is infidelity, i.e. adultery. Now this could mean adultery in the sense of sleeping with another person not their spouse, or it could be adultery against the spirit, i.e. departing from the teachings of God.

    Sorry...there are no "adultery against the spirit" in the Bible. This couple has no "grounds" for a divorce. It is sin pure and simple. Their church and the community of Christ will take a hit because of their sin.

  • Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:06 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 1

    1. It’s Unbiblical for a Woman to be a Pastor….. period point blank (I Corinthians 14:34-35).
    2. There are only two grounds for a Christian to divorce. New Testament explicitly makes both sexual infidelity and desertion by an unbeliever grounds for a Christian's divorce and remarriage. Calean007: “adultery against the spirit, i.e. departing from the teachings of God. Word Faith type churches inevitably go the route of "name it and claim it" type stuff.” The Biblical text concerning divorce says nothing of adultery against the spirit. I’m not too sure where or what passages speaks of this…….
    3. Much of Paula Whites teachings are unbiblical and straight out wrong. Prosperity message dominates most of her teachings.
    4. True Biblical Pastors lives are/should be transparent…..in all areas…..including income.
    5. Kikoman: “The last time I saw her on TV, she was talking about how much she was in love with her husband and how thankful she was to have him at home waiting for her. She was on with a black couple - he was some kind of sports star. It was a month ago. Was she lying?” Yes she was lying…….. they’ve been getting counseling for sometime….so she says……who knows if she’s lying about that too.
    6. It’s really sad and very disappointing that many Christians are not studying the Word of God on their own, rather just listening and taking/believing everything the pastor says that its true.

  • Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:25 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    The last time I saw her on TV, she was talking about how much she was in love with her husband and how thankful she was to have him at home waiting for her. She was on with a black couple - he was some kind of sports star. It was a month ago. Was she lying?

  • fd4 »
    Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:14 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Oh man...just another opportunity for the watching world to take shots at the Body of Christ for not living out what we SAY we believe!!! God help us!!!

  • Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:32 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    I have watched Paula White in TV. She was such a passionate speaker and preacher of the gospel I can't believe this is happening... just praying for them..

  • RBB »
    Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:24 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Sorry third paragraph should read "God does the things that you are giving your female pastor credit for".

  • RBB »
    Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:22 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 4

    calean007 - I'm sure you're aware of the passages in I Corinthians 14:34-35 "The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church", and 1Timothy 2:12 "But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet". In what possible way is it scripture twisting to say that women should not be pastors? It's there as plainly as can possibly can be stated. Can you please explain in what way I am twisting the scripture in saying that these passages say women should not be pastors.

    Apart from these passages we have the fact that women were not allowed to be priests (or even past the court of the women), women were not called as apostles, women are not listed in the qualifications for deacons and overseers (bishops). Where would you get the impression that it's biblically acceptable for women to be pastors?

    God does the things that you are giving your female pastor for. He brings people to Himself, He heals, He delivers junkies....just because He has chosen to do these things while you are allowing a woman to be at the helm of your church means nothing. God is doing these things all over the world... in many curcomtances where people are disobeying His commandments.

    In Mark 16:15 and Matthew 28:19 Jesus says to the 11 remaining Apostles to go into the world and preach the word. And and even if you are referring to another passage...there is a very big difference between witnessing to someone, which is what preaching the gospel is here, and the position of being the pastoral leader of a church.

  • Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:58 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Anniefourjesus: I do have love for nijjhar. I did not post to condemn him but merely posted that which he himself posted in another thread. The put the spotlight on himself. Also yes I have actually read his website. The stage in his search is based upon salvation through knowledge (gnostic) via splashes of skihism thrown in. He belives in all achieving peace and love but through our own means and not by something Divine like Christ. My intent in posting about his post in seeing nothing wrong with the KKK was merely to show the viewpoint he was coming from. Perhaps in hindsight in reading my post it was a bit harsh but at the same time I am interested in helping him along his path. We are all called to do that...

  • Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:33 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    RBB - About women preachers, it is most certainly not biblical that women are not allowed to preach. You are twisting the writings of Paul. The Bible says for us ALL to PREACH THE WORD. All includes both sexes. As a man, I have a female pastor and let me tell you that in our small 25 member church, I have seen people healed, led to Christ, junkies delivered et al and with a woman at the helm of the church.

  • Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:29 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Are they divorcing thought on Biblical grounds? That is infidelity, i.e. adultery. Now this could mean adultery in the sense of sleeping with another person not their spouse, or it could be adultery against the spirit, i.e. departing from the teachings of God. Word Faith type churches inevitably go the route of "name it and claim it" type stuff. They are no different than the Tiltons of the 80's it seems. But if they are divorcing simply because "their lives are going different directions" then they are committing a sin according to the Bible. I cannot believe that people are so blinded by this type of stuff happening in front on their faces. This tells me that some people at their "church" aren't well grounded in scripture. Also with Word Faith teachers, there is a groupie mentality going on and less reading and true prayer.

  • Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:14 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Baptist strategist Stith says, "Our task is to proclaim the power of the risen Christ to set all men free," he stated. "We must be clear that this freedom includes freedom from the power of sin as well as from the penalty of sin. But John David Hicks, Evangelist assesses,"God can forgive sin, but He does not remove the consequences of the sin. The results and the scars remain."
    My two cents worth. A person is free (forgiven) from power of say, excessive drinking (sin) but God does NOT necessarily remove the consequences of it (sin), in this case weakened unhealthy liver, a weak example. Rewards of living for God ( sinning less|growing in virtue) are degreed 1Corth. 3:13-17
    IMO, Holy Scripture will not support a distinction between sins and bad works. Bad works are unequivocally understood as sin in the Holy Scripture, while good works are virtues that stem from avoiding sin. How can God's favor without satisfying His justice continue on them committing deliberate (sin) of divorce? Eternity will only tell by Fire.

  • RBB »
    Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:30 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    nijjhar - Ahh...I hadn't realized. I had assumed that you were Hindu or some other religion (as in other than Christian). I hadn't realized that you had your own little religion going in your head. Have a nice day.

  • Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:12 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    In case people forgot ! WE NEED RELIGION* Websters definition -1a: the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> 1b: the service and worship of God or the supernatural commitment or devotion to religious faith (in JC) or observance 2a: personal (in this case JC) set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices. Truly a very sad day in Christendom, despite the so called MEGA GROWTH = (assuming) GODS FAVOR.
    *James 1:26-27 This reminds me of St James 1:26-27
    1:26. And if any man think himself to be religious, not bridling his tongue but deceiving his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
    1:27. Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation and to keep one's self unspotted from this world. btw, when was the last time local churches went out to neighbors that may need any help? as an ordinary act of love as Christ would, not on some ministry task force to convert ? may my preaching been shown than just heard.

  • Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:39 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    The Lord said, that we would be known by the love that we have for one another. We are to "speak the truth in love" and condemning brothers and sisters who have fallen is not showing the love of Jesus. Jesus Christ did not practice "religion", HE had a personal relationship (and has) with the Father! That is what HE came to show, that HE was through His life, death and resurrection, restoring our relationship back to our Father.
    God wants the best for all HIS Children, it is not something we should be seeking, we are to seek FIRST the Kingdom of God and HIS righteousness, and "all these things will be added unto you." The Father knows that we have needs (and wants) in this world, and HE is our Jehovah-Jireh (God provides). He opens HIS hands, and satisifies the desires of every living thing. Even those who do not recognize God, it all comes from HIS hand whether they acknowledge Him or not! HE is a most kind and loving God, sin has been dealt with in Jesus Christ, man has only to accept and believe in what God has already done. It is a gift from God, and if you do not accept what Jesus had already done, then the WRATH of God remains on you. Those are God's Words, not any mans!
    Father God, I pray that You will bring healing and restoration to the White's and their family and all those who are ministered to by them. LOOK to the LORD, people, places and things are NOT God, and they will let you down, they will fail you., but GOD HE never does any of those things!
    Thank you Papa God for Your love and grace, in Jesus Name Amen! GLORY TO YOU LORD!

  • Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:48 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Let it also be known that nijjhar believes there is nothing wrong with the klu klux clan according to his post in other threads... Now you know his cult.

  • Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:25 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    I am soooo tired of folks (mostly folks in ministry) using "touch not mine anointed and do my prophet no harm" as a basis for not speaking out against false prophets fleecing the sheep. Any believer that is filled with the Holy Spirit IS God's anointed and pastors/co-pastors should be mineful that God is not pleased with the watered-down gospel that is being preached to fill seats and pockets. If you are so concerned about souls, why do the need the title or Apostle, Bishop, Co-Pastor? What happened to missionary, church mother and altar worker? I guess they weren't glorious enought. The Apostles had jobs and traveled and preached the Gospel. They traveled in twos and last I checked their co-pastors were not women. We are out of order and I pray God continues to pull the cover off false ministries who claim to preach in His name (Jesus is never mentioned on Paula's website). She claims to be a life coach not a preacher.

    A bishop should be blameless and tempered...let's see if some titles are removed in the body of Christ after this past week's events. They are undeserving of them. The gospel of Christ will not be put to shame for these folks actions, they don't know Jesus anyway or they would be fearful to sin in this manner. http://gcraige.blogspot.com/2007/08/jezebels-finest-hour.html

  • Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:04 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    Hi,

    RBB asked me my religion. My religion is the same as that of my Brother Christ Jesus. How many of you know what was the religion of Christ Jesus? I bet hardly any one meaning that most of you are spiritually blind and that is why sectarian riots. Christ Nanak was the Second coming of Christ Jesus may not sound well to most of you but it is TRUE.

    Here is an article on IDEAL CHURCH that would give you clues where you have gone wrong:-

    I D E A L C H U R C H


    If Jesus were to return to-day, He would be very much surprised and upset to find so many of the denominations. In fact, these denominations are like the blind men describing an elephant. Royal High Priest (Christ) of God appeared to introduce to us the living God of Spirit through the Living Gospel, which is received only by those who are predestined by God e.g. the born-blind man of John 9, whose eyes Jesus opened with spittal. Jesus preached Gospel like a Sower and only those who were twice-born and, therefore, had ears to hear 'His Word', understood and sought from Him of their own accords.

    Now, Jesus hired twelve Labourers..........
    The twelve Labourers hired by Jesus were paid their wages, the "Holy Spirit", on Pentecost - Matt.20.8: ................Thus, the Labourers of Jesus who first founded the Church of God headed by Jesus sold all their belongings to share a perfect communal life but the limitations of Therefore, establish universal Churches of God in honour of Saints and let the outspoken Preachers of God help you to wash the filth of sins and blasphemies. The Preachers of God being predestined, they do not stand in the need of any ordination by men and it is only the deacons who require the ordination of men to whom they are to serve and to be responsible for their performances.
    For details, visit my web site:-
    http://www.nijjhar.freeserve.co.uk/church.htm

  • Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:08 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Yes it is a sad thing that Paula and Juanita have gone through these terrible things. They are really God-send with their messages of hope and faith. They also bring something else to my attention: they are HUMAN. We humans are subject to error, no matter how old we are. I think more Prosperity gospel preachers are "talked about" than prayed for, which is probably one of the reasons why they are "innocently" veering off-track when it comes to money. I go to a Prosperity-teaching church and the boundaries are tight there. My pastor tries to make sure that he makes things clear to the congregation by rightly separating money and faith. We're doing good because weekly, we hold prayer specifically for our pastor, so maybe other churches need to do that too.

  • Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:31 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Something in Scripture stated to Moses and reiterated in the New Testament is keeping to God's pattern. God has a pattern for the family, the church and for evangelizing the world before the Lord Jesus returns, and when we turn aside to other works then we err from the truth of the Word. Women can be anointed by God mightily, but she is to remain under her husband's headship, as prescribed by God Himself. Men are held to a high accountablility for their marriages and homes, so for the sake of receiving God's blessings, we need to keep God's ways before us. Wives submit to your husbands in the Lord. Husbands love your wives as Christ loves the church and gave Himself for it. Children obey your parents for this is right. What is so very difficult about this? Husband and wife are equal partners, but the buck stops with hubby. Wives should not have authority or headship over their husbands no matter what her anointing is. Eve was decieved, Adam blatantly disobeyed God because he listened to his wife contrary to what God had already told him. Anything with two heads is a freak, so God gave the men headship in the home, church and ministry. But let's not ignore that God also annoints women with great gifts for the purpose of winning the lost to Christ just like the men!

  • RBB »
    Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:01 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    JVelez - "I might be guessing here but I believe that he saw the anointing that Paula has in preaching the word (lets just assume this for arguments sake) and stood out of the way."

    Then he would be seeing an annointing that didn't exist. How can someone be said to have recieved an annointing when the scripture makes it plain that she would never have recieved one? The error has been compounded in that he has not only allowed his wife to become what the scripture says she is not to be, but he has also allowed her to take the role of authority which makes the problem even worse and more unscriptural. Which seems to be something we both agree on.

    I'm afraid that those who are taken in by this kind of thing, the prosperity gospel, have no idea that they aren't being preached the real gospel. They have no way of knowing they are standing on sand. All they can see is that God is going to give them a great life and then they go to heaven and have a greater eternity. The true gospel is left out. That it didn't weaken the church in anyway, is troubling, you're right. It proves that the members have no idea that what they have been taught is wrong.

  • Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:21 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    WOW...WOW...WOW...what can anyone say but WOW!!! I tell you does this surprise me...NO...this is a good example of what fame and REPUTATION can do to man. It is funny reading this how they are so busy and go separate directions...you wonder what God had for THEM and they seemed have missed it. I always go back to Joyce and Dave Meyers...you can surely see the difference...they work together, each in their giftings and callings from God. It appears the Whites missed their cue from the Lord to what direction they AND I DO MEAN THEY, were to take together. Funny how he said he was going to take full responsibility for the separation, that's nice Randy but God holds everyone in the party accountable. Paula is gifted, wonderful, and very high energy, also I see her TOO wide spread and is trying to please everyone and do everything...my my my what stronghold is showing its ugly head here? Well, both will survive and make it on their own...they certainly have the resources to make it happen...so God is the judge and we just examine the fruit, and watch. BUT above all pray that the Lord's Will be done in their lives, and anyone one that would be hurt by this fallout would be restored back to where the Lord intended them to be.

  • Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:35 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Being raised from CatholicTraditional Christian background to a Pentecoastal Evangelical/Fundamental contemporary to now a NON Affiliate seeing years of divisions lust pride greed using Beliefs In The Name Of Jesus Christ. I am a lot more sympathetic to a "so called unsaved non believer's legitimate GRIPES of those that hold CLAIM TO THE INSIDE TRACK OF KNOWING JESUS CHRIST & HOLY SCRIPTURE. The American Church is NOT exactly what Jesus Christ had in mind IMO. Very sad day in Christendom, despite the so called MEGA GROWTH = GODS FAVOR.

  • Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:29 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    We must be very careful what we let come out of our mouths and we must SPEAK LIFE and not death over our brothers and sisters in Christ. No matter how we feel about this situation God is still in control of everything. God says " Touch not my anointed and do my Prophet on harm". We must PRAY and not continue to agree with what Satan is trying to do in all of our lives as CHRISTIANS. "Judge not lest you be judged." My heart is broke because of this situation as well as the Wanita Bynum situation however as a women of God being choosen to preach the word of God as a Co-Pastor with my husband, I must continue to keep my eyes on God and not what is going on around me and pray without ceasing. All I know at the end of the day is nothing is impossible with God and Satan is defeated. As far as wealth God says " I will give you the power to get wealth." We can have it all as Christians, ministry, money, marriage, good health, ect as long as we "Lean not to our own understanding and He shall direct our paths." Let the Holy Spirit be our guide and mouthpiece.

  • Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:57 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    RBB--
    In terms of pastoral duty, If Randy was the head pastor of the church, while Paula (being the wife) was co-pastor, I wouldnt have a problem with that. I think the issue with Mr. White (Im just guessing here) is two fold.

    1st- I might be guessing here but I believe that he saw the anointing that Paula has in preaching the word (lets just assume this for arguments sake) and stood out of the way.That might be noble but he did not apply the structure that God gave us in terms of marriage roles and responsibilities. If he stood back and allowed his wife to be the "head pastor" right there leads to trouble. Couple that with the order of priorities that they both had INDIVIDUALLY and not as a SINGLE UNIT, and it's sad to say that it wouldnt last.

    In terms of "Prosperity Preaching" RBB, I see that as a thing that Christians can debate, but shouldnt divide over. Now if the message is just outright "get rich quick" and not talking enough about the true kingdom, it lies in sand and people will see that. For me, to see that this news "didnt weaken the church in anyway" is a little troubling..

  • RBB »
    Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    nijjhar - It occurred to me this morning that part of the reason there is so much persecution and violence against Christians in India is because they have such a complete misunderstanding of what we believe and preach, just as you do.

    You seem to either be completely unaware of what Christianity is, or purposely interposing your own beliefs into them, to make up a version of your own. What religion do you consider yourself to be?

  • RBB »
    Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:59 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    JVelez - I too believe that those who are called to lead people to Christ should be respected. My first problem would be that since this is a woman, and the scripture speaks strictly against woman being pastors, she couldn't possibly have that calling.

    My second problem would be..are they really leading people to Jesus? The gospel they are preaching is as incorrect as say, the Jehovah's Witnesses or the Mormons. But, while the Witness and Mormons may be preaching against things like the Trinity, these pastors are perverting the gospel by preaching "the world" not Christianity. The gospel of Christ isn't that God wants us to be rich and happy in this life. To tell people that, isn't to lead them to Christ, it's to lead them to a combination of Santa and Aladdin's Genie. Not to mention giving them false hope of riches, and no problems in this world.

    As to the prosperity gospel not being part of the divorce. It's just another example of their ignoring the gospel of the Bible in favor of the worldly gospel they preach. So in a way it is. Scripture makes it plain that divorce is not acceptable, and to do it, especially after already doing it before, is another example of their failing to adhere to the gospel of scripture.

  • Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:11 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Hi,
    You need holy spirit to lead your spiritual life. Holy spirit is common sense and Holy Spirit of God is extra ordinary Sense.

    How these people became rich in Mammon working for God that is Mammon Free? Becoming rich in the name of God is called turning stones, Simple-minded people into bread and butter as these two have done. I bet these two have no clue in whose name John baptised men only in water? Never mind knowing Christ Jesus?

    The Tares are bundled up in Israel for Final Burning and people are getting fleeced left and right.

  • Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:53 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    What a crying shame this is. It's either me, myself and I or it's Jesus Christ in me.

    Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
    I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

    Wake up church, quit rolling over and hitting the snooze button. Get sold out to Jesus...remember this:

    Matthew 7:21 (NKJV)
    “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

    God help us!

  • Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:45 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

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