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Church|Fri, Aug. 31 2007 11:30 AM EDT

Ted Haggard's Plea for Money Reproved

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

The latest request by former evangelical leader Ted Haggard for financial support was deemed "inappropriate" and "unacceptable" by overseers of the megachurch he founded and was fired from.

With plans to pursue a master's degree in counseling at the University of Phoenix while his wife, Gayle, studies psychology in the undergraduate program, Haggard had written an e-mail last week asking for financial assistance until he and his family has "adequate earning power again," according to the e-mail sent to KRDO-TV in Colorado Springs.

"Mr. Haggard's solicitation for personal support was inappropriate," the overseers at New Life Church in Colorado Springs said in a statement Wednesday.

Haggard, New Life's founding pastor, was fired last year after he confessed to undisclosed "sexual immorality" and buying methamphetamine. A former male prostitute claimed to have had a three-year sexual relationship with the prominent evangelical leader.

After begin ousted, Haggard received a severance package from New Life, which included a year's salary of $138,000, and moved to Phoenix in April.

In his e-mail, Haggard wrote that he would move in to the Phoenix Dream Center, a half-way house for the homeless, recovering alcoholics, drug addicts and prostitutes, whom Haggard said he could identify with. The Dream Center is run by Tommy Barnett, who leads the 15,000-member Phoenix First Assembly of God that Haggard now attends. Haggard, in the past, has subscribed to a number of beliefs often associated with the charismatic movement.

However, the overseers, who were assigned to help Haggard after he was removed from New Life Church, said Haggard will not be moving in or providing any counsel at the Dream Center.

"It was never the intention of the Dream Center that Mr. Haggard would provide any counsel or other ministry," said the overseers in their statement.

Haggard will not be doing any ministry and instead will be seeking secular employment to support the family, according to the statement.

Meanwhile, New Life congregants have hope that their reputation as a church can be recovered as they have overwhelmingly approved this week their new senior pastor – Brady Boyd of Gateway Church in Southlake, Texas.

Despite the challenge – as this would not be an ordinary pastoral transition – Boyd is optimistic for New Life's future.

"I wanted to know if this church was ready to move forward," said Boyd, according to The Associated Press. "They just want to be normal. They just want to care for one another and be a church."

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  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:20 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    First of all there should be no men leading men, no titles, buildings,charismatic front men, the whole church layout is a scam. Read your bible, all are to participate and are to be lead by the Holy Spirit. The man lead church comes from Rome and the "Reformers" never gave us back the priesthood of all believers, just sit there and listen to the professional clergy. Get out of these man-headed traditions of men, find a few spirit filled believers and allow Christ to be the head. Sometimes it takes a grossly abusive or sinfull leader to make us wonder "Are we really supposed to be following men"? The answer is NO!

  • Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:08 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    Good Morning Saints,
    Well, first of all, as a christian or bible believer. I was under the impression that GOD appointed his leaders (i.e. pastors,elders& deacons) not the congregation or church body. This appears to be the work of the devil attacking the church on its moral obligation as with former pastor Haggard, he should still remain in the church, but in a restoration type of setting. I apoligize for not understanding your reasoning but GOD appoints or demotes as he well pleases- not man.
    Let's remember that GOD is the author and chief cornerstone of the church regardless of our
    demonitions.
    Thank you!

  • artm »
    Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:59 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    God knows Mr haggards heart. And beleive me if mr haggard is not truly repentant God is able and willing to remove him from his position. If the Church will pray and trust God, He will take care of the Church, It is His Church, He died for it, And He does not take that lightly.

    We must pray that God will put honest, sincere pastors into His Church. And at the same time know that God is in the midst of His Church.

    That does not mean that we should treat Mr haggard like he has committed the unpardenable sin. May God give us all Grace to live the Christian life before the World. Art.

  • artm »
    Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Hi Pastor, I find myself in a very strange position here. It is not my intention to defend Mr haggard, His sin is his and he must own them.

    My intention on this matter has been to extend grace to mr haggard. not exemption from the consequences of his sin.

    1-Tim 2, Is certainly the wonderful Word of God, But as the Apostle Paul once said, " Not as though I have already obtained, But I strive for the Mark." Praise God,We must all strive, And at the same time, Like the Apostle Paul, None of us have obtained yet.

    Qualifications for Pastoring Gods people ? In ourselves none are qualified. It requires the constant Grace of God for any to measure up to what we should be. no excuse just truth.

    All the money in the world is not going to help Mr haggard in his relationship with God. And God is going to deal with Mr haggard, But it is going to be his intention to restore not destroy. That is up to Mr haggard.

    Pastor, if not for the Grace of God you and I could be in Mr haggards shoes right now.

    Pastor, May God grant you and I the Grace to do what we should,Live like we should, In Jesus Name. God Bless.

    Art.

  • Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    As forgiving Christians, we must forgive brother Haggard. But those preachers who are
    preaching great sermons against certain sins and living in the same sin is an irony. If we
    keep on forgiving them and the number of culprits are increasing month by month, at that point
    we need to rewrite the Bible and give new definitions to sin. Indeed, we are at the end times.

  • Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:14 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    I am also a pastor, and I pastor in a conservative area of a conservative state. Maybe I just have conservative rose colored glasses on.
    I Timothy 2 mentions qualifications for overseers, which a good shepherding pastor should be. It says they must be "above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable." One wife literally means havinh just one sexual relationship going on. The next verse says they should not be a lover of money. He got a package including $138K (so there's more to it than that) and he's asking for more? Hmm...
    But now vs. 7: "He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap."
    Anyone who preaches against homosexuality while engaging in homosexual acts with a prostitite (throw in some meth to boot), lying about it and then admitting guilt - what are the chances of him having a good reputation with outsiders? Pastors often have reputations based out persecution, but that certainly does not apply here.
    This has nothing to do with forgiveness, but with the qualifications to lead a church.
    If I ever do half of what he did, I hope I would receive the same consequences (and even half of his pay-out!)

  • Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:23 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    And yet there are many pastors who have what the Bible calls a Shepherds heart. They Love the People, Yet many times are ignored by the people because they don't have tv programs, or don't have two thousand members in their church.

    Art,
    Love Jesus and let him worry about the people. It is the work of the Holy Spirit to see to others souls and our great joy to minister to the Lord. It took me a long time to learn this. His ways are not our ways. Be content if he gives you only your own family as a flock.
    Many Blessings Shooter38

  • artm »
    Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:44 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Hi shooter, As you say, there are many so called pastors out there that take advantage of the lack of knowledge of Gods word .

    And yet there are many pastors who have what the Bible calls a Shepherds heart. They Love the People, Yet many times are ignored by the people because they don't have tv programs, or don't have two thousand members in their church.

    It hurts a Pastors Heart to know they are preaching the truth, And see their people going the way of the latest religious fad just because a famous tv preacher says it is Bible.

    Ephesians 4:11 says, And He gave some Apostles,And some Prophets,And some Evangelists, And some Pastors and teachers.

    These are for the building up of the Body of Christ. There are some good, and sad to say, there are some that are bad.

    And much of the rot that is seen in the Church today could be avoided by Christians if they would just read the Bible. If their Bible was more than just a token on the coffee table, Much of the problem could be solved within the Church.

    My intention here is not to defend Mr Haggard, As I said earlier, I don't really know the man. I was more concerned with the method of dealing with this brother in Christ.

    If possible lets restore,Not destroy. God bless you shooter, Thank you for your post on this matter, it's always a pleasure talking to Gods people. Art.

  • Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:03 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    There are to many lazy Christians who will not study the Bible for themselves.

    True and many pastors breath a sigh of relief, otherwise they couldn't get away with what they do. I, sir, am not one of those lazy Christians and trust me the scripture reads very different when not filtered through a particular bias. Mind set has a great deal to do with how we interpret the meaning of scripture. The proof I believe is in the number of denominations we have not only in America but in the world. Jesus began ONE body ONE church it is man who has messed it up from the beginning.
    Shooter38

  • artm »
    Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:24 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hi shooter38. You are right. Forgivness does not mean that there will be no consequence for what we have done. But remember God will deliver the consequence not man. This is hard for many Christians to understand. Mr Haggard is in for some rough times, In large measured out by the Church.

    Everything we do as a Church should be done with restoration in mind not punishment.

    And brother our mind set, Wreather Leader or layman should be based upon the Word of God.

    The Bible tells us that, " Whom the Lord loves He Chastens" But He always has restoration in mind.

    For the most part the Church wants to punish the erring Brother or Sister.

    Before I was called of God to begin my Ministry, Standing in the office of Pastor/teacher, I listened to the teaching of my Pastor, But I did not stop there, I had a Bible just like him, so I studied the Word of God for myself, and the Holy Spirit helped me and taught me.

    There are to many lazy Christians who will not study the Bible for themselves. And I agree here, That to many Christians have put more Faith in Pastor than they have in Jesus Christ.

    There are problems on both sides of this asile.

    Thank you shooter, And God bless. Art.

  • Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:03 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Hello Art,
    God is no respecter of persons but we are. You are a pastor and so filter the word through a certain mind set. I am not so I filter through a different mind set. I do not believe the Lord ever intended there to be a division between pulpit and pew but that is what we have. The body does not know how to function and many pastors don't want them to learn. I think is is just a sign of the times to think God will not hold us accountable. Forgiveness does not equal removal of consequence.
    Shooter38

  • artm »
    Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hi shooter38, Yes I am a Pastor, But I don't see where the Word of God makes the distinction between leadership and the layman in regards to forgivness and restoration. sin is a terrible thing, It not only hurts the offending party, But all those involved in whatever degree.

    But forgivness and restoration is for the entire body of Christ whatever office one may hold. My only thought on this matter is, That we have consumed so many of our fallen brothers and Sisters, Maybe we could turn that trend around and forgive as the Bible says we should. Thank you for your post, and God bless. Art.

  • Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:49 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 0

    Yes, once forgiven a brother should be restored to the body, not leadership! Wondering if artm is a pastor and thus sees things a little different.
    Shooter38

  • Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:41 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Scandal aside, the former leader of the National Association of Evangelicals from 2003 until 2006 is getting a masters degree in counseling from a distance university. What kind of qualifications/ training did he have previous to becoming the leader of the evangelicals?

  • artm »
    Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Making no excuse for sin, But while Paul in 1-Corinthians did instruct the Church to oust the offender, It was only after they refused to repent. Art.

  • Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:12 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Hey robinhooud get a clue!

  • Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:26 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 0

    it seems to me that some people are equating forgiveness with financial payment.we are also forgetting that Jesus founded this church not mr.haggard.mr.haggard has severed all ties to this christian body,the article said he ia attending an aog church and that is where he should be seeking to have his needs both spiritual and temporal.

  • Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:18 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 1

    while the members of new life church certainly should forgive mr.haggard,they should no longer bear any of his financial burdens.paul instructed us to oust the sexually immoral from the church.and if the members of new life were focused on Jesus and not ted haggard there would be no concerns about the future long term growth of this congregation.we are to be the body of christ,not followers of some of a charasmatic human.

  • artm »
    Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:07 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    It's not about money,It's about forgivness and restoration. And for those who may waver in their own faith because of Mr. Haggard, are those who have placed their faith in him rather than Christ.

    Yes it's hard when our Pastors and Ministers fail, But remember they are only human. We should not sin,but we do. God grant us grace to overcome. No excuse,just fact.

    We hurt a lot of people when we fail, wreather we are ministers or not.

    Art.

  • Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:49 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    I think that out of common decency and respect he would have had enough brains to not even consider asking for assistance from a church that likely, due to his own personal sin, caused people to lose their jobs, people to leave the church, and he may have become a stumbling block for countless others who watched him week in and week out. Plus, the man got 138,000 pay for leaving. What kind of life is he living?

  • Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:14 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Matthew 18:21-22

    21Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?"
    22Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

    AMEN artm! It seems to me that we often forget FORGIVENESS. We put pastors and elders up on these pedestals and when they fall, we blame them. Well, my Bible tells me to pray for those over me, those who are leaders. There is not PERFECT church on this earth, there is no PERFECT person on this planet. Only Jesus was without sin. The reason that I stayed out of the church for so many years, is for the way they shoot their wounded.
    Jesus was all about restoring people, He did not hold peoples sin up in their face. When we confess with our mouths our sin, HE is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
    HE restored PETER after Peter denied Him, three times! I would say that was a definite restoral to Ministry!
    I want someone to show me Chapter and Verse where the LORD says, do not restore this person to ministry. JESUS is all about redeeming us, HE can even redeem what happened to Mr. Haggard for HIS glory and Mr. Haggard's good!
    The Lord God is the only one to know the heart of any of us, and it really breaks my heart when I see the "church" acting in an unforgiving manner.
    I have seen many people leave churches for this very reason, they're so afraid if someone found out they fell and they'd get the same kind of treatment that Brother Haggard did.
    I call him brother because he calls upon the name of Jesus. Jesus is the judge not me. I pray that the LORD will heal, restore and bless Brother Haggard and any others brethren out there who have fallen and are in need of the LORD's healing touch of forgiveness.
    Who has been forgiven much, loves much!
    They will know we are Christians by the LOVE we have for one another.

    Will the TRUE body of Christ, please stand up! I'm so glad that only the LORD knows all my sin and yet HE still loves me. I have fallen myself more times than I care to share, but my heart doesn't want to keep doing that, and so with the Lord's help, I get back up and I keep on looking to Him. It's call growing up in faith. I just pray that we Christians would give each other grace, the same grace we'd like for ourselves.
    I am so glad for the love of Christ that doesn't condemn me, but does shine a light on what needs to be changed. Thank you Lord for Your unconditional love. The Lord still loves Brother Haggard!

  • Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 6

    A church that slams a brother in the faith and refuses help, even a lower job, to the person who founded the church which now caters to 10.000 and secures too-well-paid jobs for the many staffers, most of whom got hired by Ted H. It's a shame, it's today's Western church in action, it's not Christian. Even less biblical Megachurches would treat people a bit differently. Those overseers have proven wolves in sheeps clothing. Forcing him into secular counseling, while most of them would stop preaching the moment the paycheck doesn't arrive. They better stop preaching their lies anyway.

  • artm »
    Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:44 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    I am not a Mr. Haggard fan, And I really don't know much about him,But I do know a little about Biblical Forgivness. When one truly repents and turns toward Christ, Forgivness is given by God.

    That forgivness restores one to instant righteousness in Christ Jesus. And God treats one as though they have never committed the act, That is Biblical forgivness.

    But it does not end there. Not only is the offending one forgiven,and restored to righteousness in Christ, But they are also to be returned to their office of ministry. That is called restoration.

    Now there must be true repentance and a turning from the sin. But that is Biblical forgivness and restoration.

    Now I also know that much of the Church will not agree with what I have said. Today the Church wants an offending brother or sister to pay and pay and pay.

    Or we want to send them to the lie of psychology. We want them to get help from the same source as the world does.

    for the most part the Church today consumes it's wounded. I am not making excuses for sin,If we sin then it is our sin and we must own it, We must repent and turn to Christ, If we do, Thank God there is forgivness, And restoration.

    And God will treat you as though you never committed the act.

    Now I know there will probally be a mountain of disagreement, Be that as it may, To God be the Glory. And to every brother and Sister out there having trouble with sin, Please read Romans Chapters 6 through 8 and let the Holy Spirit Minister to you.

    Look to Christ, He loves you, and will not just throw you out like an old worn out rag.

    Art. P.S. It is not Biblical to make an offending Brother or Sister to step down from ministry for two years or more before they are allowed to minister again.

  • Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:14 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    I saw Mr. Haggard on the "Jesus Camp" movie and he was so arrogant. He should not be in any position of power again - it is his downfall. We all have sins we are prone to- most pastors are prone to the sin of pride and power. Jesus will forgive him but he should not place himself in a "power" situation again.

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