In latest saga of Hollywood assaults on Christianity, comic Kathy Griffin has come under fire from multiple groups for her offensive Jesus remarks at the recent Creative Arts Emmy Awards.
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(Photo: AP Images / Chris Pizzello)Kathy Griffin poses backstage with her Emmy after her show 'Kathy Griffin: My Life on the D-List' won Outstanding Reality Program at the 2007 Creative Arts Emmy Awards in Los Angeles, Saturday, Sept. 8, 2007.
Griffin made the remark over the weekend upon receiving the award for Outstanding Reality Program for her show "My Life on the D-List."
"I guess hell froze over," said Griffin, whose show overtook ABC's Extreme Makeover: Home Edition. "A lot of people come up here and thank Jesus for this award. I want you to know that no one had less to do with this award than Jesus.”
Holding up her statuette, Griffin topped off her off-script speech by saying, "Suck it, Jesus. This award is my god now."
Griffin’s remarks immediately drew harsh criticism Monday from Catholic League President Bill Donohue, who called on the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences to denounce what he called “vulgar in-your-face brand of hate speech.”
“It is incumbent upon Dick Askin, chairman and chief executive officer of the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences, to denounce Griffin’s obscene and blasphemous comment,” said Donohue.
He went on to suggest that the situation would have received due attention if it were Islam as the target instead of Christianity.
“It is sure bet that if Griffin had said, ‘Suck it, Muhammad,’ there would have been a very different reaction from the crowd and from the media who covered this event. To say nothing of the Muslim reaction,” continued Donohue.
The Academy of Television Arts & Sciences said in a statement Monday that it will censor Griffin’s “offensive remarks” when the event will be broadcasted this Saturday on the E! channel. The remarks will also be edited from official Emmy Awards broadcast the next day on Fox.
While Donahue was pleased that TV Academy “reacted responsibly,” he still called on Griffin to apologize for her “verbal assault on 85 percent of the U.S. population.”
“The ball is now in Griffin’s court,” he said. “The self-described ‘complete militant atheist’ needs to make a swift and unequivocal apology to Christians. If she does, she will get this issue behind her. If she does not, she will be remembered as a foul-mouthed bigot for the rest of her life.”
But an apology from Griffin appears unlikely. Griffin, who has made her career from raucous remarks at celebrities, reacted to the situation lightly, according to Reuters, saying, "Am I the only Catholic left with a sense of humor?"
Even those closer to Griffin are reproaching her actions.
Sherri Shepherd, a stand-up comic who formerly co-starred with Griffin in Suddenly Susan, also told The View on Tuesday morning, “I love Kathy but I was trying to text her, 'Girl, you know you ain't supposed to be saying no mess like that.'
"There's just a line that you shouldn't cross, there's a reverence for God that we should have."
However, on the other side of the camp, the President of American Atheists is backing Griffin’s freedom to express herself as an atheist and said that the League and the Academy were censoring speech by atheists.
"It's permissible to make religious comments at the Emmy Awards and other public events as long as they do not criticize or threaten the self-appointed 'Religion Police," said Johnson. “Atheists cannot make an honest and forthright statement that their success came from developing their talents and working hard."
While the Griffin’s Jesus remark controversy has evoked strong reactions from many sides, its assault on Christianity is not an isolated case in Hollywood.
Comedians on air often use Christianity as an easy target for punch lines and political remarks.
In January, Christians protested Conan O’Brien’s portrayal of a “homophobic country western singer,” who sang about a “touchin’” Jesus.
Later, in March, Comedy Central featured a segment in which Sarah Silverman had sex with a character playing a black God and then trying to brush him off afterward.
And last year, Rosie O’Donnell, former co-host of ABC’s The View, had made remarks comparing “radical Christianity” to radical Islam.
Regarding Griffin’s recent offense, Donahue said: “Mel Gibson. Michael Richards. Isaiah Washington. [Don] Imus. Jerry Lewis. Every time a celebrity offends a segment of the population, he pays a price, in one way or another. The question now is whether Kathy Griffin will pay a similar price for her outburst.”
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She should be ashamed of herself,and she is free from thanking God in Jesus name, she is.. she doesnt have to do that at all!. It is up to her. But all I know is that God does things for us big or small, there is no measure on his blessings on us. But she has lost a lot of followers to watch her or care about her. She is in a free country to do what she wants, but not to care what others think or insult their God, well I think that really small of her. She could have kept that quit.She should have been more respectful not to insult something she obviously doesnt know anything about. It is to bad, she needs Jesus. Yes and prayer,no money,no fame can ever take the place of the spirtual feeling of the Holy Spirit of God can give to a person. Poor her. I really did like to watch her but to insult a persons spirtual belief right on camera like that.. oh well. But God will deal with it in his own way, he is in control. But he loves her the same as anyone else, but as far as watching her anymore or listening to her is history. God needs to be thanked for everything. No matter how small or big. At least Christians have hope in Jesus. We have something. She has only that Emmy for her God. oh well!.
You are right, and wrong. Yes, we do need to look at our lives, examine what we are, are make changes, daily. That doesn't mean that we are to focus on ourselves the rest of our lives because we make mistakes. Christians have never claimed to be perfect. We are all sinners. So, with that in hand, are we to walk by every sin we see and say, "nope, not my problem, I need to focus on changing my life first". If that were the case, there would be no hope for any of us. I can do two things at once. I can focus on my life, trying to keep it down the right path, and I can also cry out in anger, when someone makes vile comments about my God. I'm a "soldier" for Christ, not a passive wimp for Christ. About all the other things going on in the world, such as, the bad pastors you pointed out, people do speak out about that. Nicki Cruz has a book called, "Brothers and Sisters, We Have A Problem". And, it discusses all the problems in the Church. And, that is just one example. You can't just sit on your bottom and do nothing, because you are a sinner. When you sin, pull yourself back up and move on, that's what Jesus did for us, we can repent and move on. Don't let your sin hold you back from trying to clean up the world. If we all did that, things would be a mess.
I was a bit surprised by the negative reactions to my comment on 9/20.
I just wonder what is your Biblical justification for reacting like this?
One of the reasons why people like Ms. Griffin's responds as she does is that the body of Christ has a bad habit of pulling out the splinters in the eyes of non-belivers while ignoring the logs in our own eyes.
The world views us as a bunch of hypocrits, because so many in the body preach one thing, do another, and are not held accountable for their actions, when the Scripture says that we ARE to hold them accountable. Scripture does not tell us to hold the non-beliver accountable.
We are angry by the foolishness of Hollywood celebrities like Ms. Griffiths but ignore the open sin of the Whites (Christian pastor and inspirational speakers) -they are divorcing, and are "fine" with it, but where is the Christian outcry about that sin?
My mom and dad used to say "clean up your room before you clean up the world", and this was a statement of great wisdom. In John 8 where Christ tells the crowd "he who is without sin should throw the first stone" he was telling us that when we see (or hear of) a sin, it should send us to our knees to examine ourselves. When we have done so, then we can go to Ms. Griffith and show her her need for Christ. We won't be able to berate her into heaven.
So, Ms. Griffith in her ignorance can say as she pleases. What does it matter? We should be more concerned about the garbage that flows from our mouths than the trash spewing from another.
I'm tired of these celebrities/politicians trying to hide behind the Holy Roman Catholic Church. It didn't work for John Kerry in the last election, I hope it doesn't work for Giuliani in this election. They know their views don't match with Catholic teachings yet they try to portray themselves as loyal Catholics to the very liberal in our church. What we need is more conservative converts like Sam Brownback to continue to enter into our Church. Ironically enough the politician/entertainer who did the most for the Catholic Church in the US wasn't even Catholic. We need another Ronald Reagan type leader from the entertainment industry. I could care less with regards to gender. Someone like Elizabeth Haselbeck seems like a good role model because of her views.
Sir, if you know your history, at all, you would know that Christians have a very tough skin, and have taken a lot. It's sad because we are about love. Why would someone come against us or our God? The comments that Ms. Griffin made were not funny, at all. Our God died for us, a very loving thing to do. To say someting vile against our God, when we are to be in total reverence to our God is beyond offensive. You have to understand, we bow to our God, on our knees, and pray to Him, talk to Him, cry to Him. He heals us, comforts us, helps us. For someone to say something so vile against Him, I think you would be able to understand the anger that we feel right now. I think Christians should also be able to do what they want with their money. We have rich Christians, poor Christians, and we can spend our money on an ad like anyone else without being judged for it. We have the right to speak out against Ms. Griffin, and spend as much money as we like, doing it. I think, no matter what Christians do, we'll be judged, and looked down upon, so it really doesn't matter what people think. We'll do it anyway. And, we thank God for living in a country that allows us to do this. And, Kathy has her right to say what she wants as well. You reap what you sow. If it ruins her career like it did for Mr. Mel Gibson, for is hate against the Jewish community, then so be it. Christians have the right to be angry. Our God gets angry. We are in His image...so we get angry. As long as we don't sin in our anger. I plan to use my anger right now in a productive manner and speak out against Ms. Griffin, and her comments. I just hope that one day people look at Christians in a better light. As in any group, there are good apples and bad apples. Not all Christians are the same. Some are very hurt by this comment, and rightfully so. I hope you understand a little better, to why we are so angry. God Bless
Her comment is further proof that we are living in post-Christian times.
Ms. Griffin doesn't need censorship, she needs prayer.
We Christians, who should expect persecution and defilement and abuse - afterall, this was done to our Savior - need to be a little thicker skinned on the outside.
When we hear of these things our first response should be to examine ourselves to see if we have sinned likewise, and to have compassion on this poor lost woman, hoping Christ will tell her to rise and go sin no more.
(for more on my ideas on this issue go to my blog at www.achristianresponse.blogspot.com)
The Miracle Theater in Pigeon Forge spent $90,440 on a full-page advertisement in USA Today that ran nationally Monday, proclaiming "enough is enough."
Boy $90,440! That money could have been spent on a lot better things. The theater is sponsoring a petition on its Web site, http://www.miracletheater.com
So I went to sign this petition just to have my comment posted. I wrote:
"I’m a stand-up comic, and I understand both Kathy and your position. With all the different groups out there, it is exceeding difficult to not offend a few in a comedy career. Can’t we all just get along? It’s the Christian thing to do. I’m not surprised to hear that devout Christians are offended by Kathy’s remarks. I was talking to my Buddhist friend about it and he thought she was hysterical. The reality is that, no mater what your beliefs are, there are no shortage of people who DON’T AGREE WITH YOU. Surround yourself with people who do agree with your beliefs, and don’t fuss too much about the ones who don’t, because you can waste your entire lives arguing and getting nowhere. Making a national to do about all this just puts Kathy in the spotlight. Let’s face it, there are much worse celebrities out there driving drunk and endangering lives. If your beliefs are that Kathy will be going to hell for what she said, then that should be plenty. www.FunnyMexican.com"
Within a few minutes, my comment was pushed down to the next page because of all the offended Christians that signed after me. You’ll also find many other people who signed and like myself thought the Christian groups were overreacting.
Lastly I would like to point out the most entertaining bit of irony. Next to the AP news article is a Google sponsored ad list that says “Kathy Griffin Tickets – on sale now”
I see your point.Just make sure that it is done in love(honey),not hate(vinegar).That's what Jesus would do!!!
Faith without Works and Works without Faith....are worthless. I guess you are the type that would pass a homeless person and pray for them without giving them a thing. No sandwich, no blanket, nothing. Well, I do pray for Ms. Griffin, and I do plan to write to as many of her supporters as I can and let them know I'm not standing for these vile comments any longer. This was exactly what I was talking about. Christians today complain about how bad the world is getting, and about this and that, and do NOTHING about it. Yes, God can take care of business, but He also gave us a brain and hands to do His work. "WORK". Yes, it will actually take getting a pen and paper and a stamp. Could you even think what it would be like if John the Baptist just prayed about the sin around him and didn't speak out against it? Wow.
Well said.We attract more flies with honey than with vinegar.Not that I'm comparing potential converts to flies, but you get the point.Thanks for keeping me on balance!!
At first I was offended, I mean he is my savior and lord. Maybe instead of screaming at her we should be praying for her (not by might, power, but by my spirit says the Lord). She has openly put her fist in the face of God, the same thing we do when we sin. I am not trying to water this down, just trying to be effective. If someone came out and said "We love you, despite the fact you were offensive" wouldn't that be more powerful than anything that has happened in the Jihad. Take a minute and pray for this poor soul, I think it is what our master would want.
I must admit that I missed the point on this one.The fact that she didn't give credit to Jesus is not the most offensive thing.Saying "suck it Jesus" is what is offensive.Surprising?NO.Offensive?YES!!
I'm shocked, simply shocked to see that an unbeliever openly vilified my Lord, Jesus Christ.
Come on folks, looked to the Word and keep this in perspective. The apostle Paul wrote the the gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing. Ms. Griffin's words will either condemn her at the great white throne of judgment, or, should the Spirit of God perform a work of grace in her heart, will become a reminder to her of how great a savior Christ is to all who repent and turn to Him. Either way, He is glorified.
Only the Spirit of God can solve these problems, and he does it one heart at a time. Protests to Hollywood only obscure that point.
If anyone wants to write to the station that airs Ms. Griffin's "D List" show, and let them know you will not watch their station again until Ms. Griffin is off.....here it is.....NBC/Universal Bravo Viewer Relations 3000 W. Alameda Ave. Suite 250 Burbank, CA 91523. Also, her booking agent is Steve Levine at ICM...phone number is: 310-550-4000 and fax number is: 310-248-4673. The only way that we as Christians will stop the vile comments that are becoming the "norm" is to come against them. Not just talk about it, DO SOMETHING. Write letters, fax, call, and let them know by you not watching anything that supports Ms. Griffin, we plan to hurt their pockets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That will open an eye. We can't do this as a few. We all need to do this. Lets see if we can get Kathy Griffin off the air!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This person's behavior was unacceptable, and goes on hate speech. She did not have to bash Jesus in the process of recieving her award. I will pray for her salvation, but I will not support her behavior or her shows by watching them.
Well, what does Scripture say about this? Psalm 14:1 is the most obvious testimony about a fool.
I have to admit that I'd never heard of Kathy Griffin before her remarks hit the media. That being said, she will never have me in her listening nor viewing audience.
So many of us criticize certain people, and yet we approve of what they do by tuning in to their shows. If the message hasn't been sent loud enough, let it be said again: If you don't like it, tune it out! That way, if enough of us stopped watching and listening to these confessions of proverbial fools (in every sense of the term), they would go off the air.
As the old saying goes, "Better to be thought of as a fool than to speak and remove all doubt." Kathy Griffin removed all doubt AFAWAC (as far as we are concerned
For all of you out there who are utterly outraged over Griffin's comments I have a couple observations and comments. First of all, don't you have anything better to do? She's a private citizen expressing her own viewpoint and chosing to whom she'll give credit and recognition for her accomplishments. She never told any of you that you can't credit Jesus for everything you do from getting up in the morining and taking a poop to scoring well on your evolution test (despite the fact that evolution doesn't exist according to Christianity). I never understood the reaction that seems to accompany these incidents. Aren't all of you secure enough in your faith to withstand the comments of a d-list celebrity? Isn't it more Christian to turn the other cheek and ignore the blaspheming comments rather than make a big stink over them?
And to anticipate the likely responses regarding how I would react if someone attacked my beliefs, I'd like to say that more often than not I just laugh at those people. Comedy is based on irreverence. To a good comedian nothing is sacred and Griffin exemplifies that point. So cool off, grow up and turn the other cheek. There are more serious problems to address in this world than an upsetting joke.
My neighbor told me he doesn’t believe in Christianity. I know a lot of people who don’t. It isn’t surprising really. Just WHAT is a “Christian?” Benny Hinn, Joseph Smith and Jim Jones are considered “Christians.” What (if anything) distinguishes them from the heathen religions?
Are Universalists and Mormons, and Catholics not “Christians?” How many “plans of salvation” can you name? It is not surprising that a lot of intelligent people can see that these theologians and preachers are teaching contrary to each other and thereby are liars.
As you can see, a “Christian” can be just about anything that the theologians can dream up and pass off on people to establish a platform for themselves. Not much has changed since King Herod ruled Jerusalem.
If these “professional” holy men don’t even know the first, basic thing about the subject they claim to champion, then where is our pilgrim to turn?
Most un-believers have decided that its ALL a lot of rubbish because the teachers and preachers are untrustworthy. Kathy has probably never heard the truth as so many others haven't.
“For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ
“And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
“Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works” (II Corinthians 11:13-15).
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Fellow readers & commenters of this incident: While we do not have to embrace the ill-mannered display of ignorance, be confident in the fact that "God is not mocked:
for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." The American society is one that has out grown the intent of the founding laws (Constitution, Bill of Rights) and eroded the most basic of beliefs "IN GOD WE TRUST". As christians we must remain dilligent in our duties to positively encourage those we come in contact that are willing to listen. I am pretty certain (through HIS word) He will deal with her, those who have come before, and those to follow in a manner that is just AND final
The ignorance of Kathy Griffin's understanding of scripture is probably more a consequence of our not obeying the great commission, then it is of her listening to her own heart. What else would you expect an non-believer in Christ to say?
damien: Let me say this to you, you're bashing Christians and those who believe in God. The very thing you accuse Christians of doing. If you choose not to believe in God and Jesus that is your choice, I respect that. I love God and believe in Him even more as I see the way this world is going.
Child molester's are not just Christians, there are many who are not religious at all! The Pope is not responsible for the ACTIONS of the people who did the molesting! Those people are! Each person is responsible for their own action! Too many people want to blame somebody else.
I was personally affected by CHILD ABUSE and it wasn't at the hands of any person of faith!
Many want to blame God for what PEOPLE choose to do, just because God allows it doesn't mean HE approves of it!
I love and believe God, because HE showed me that HE loves me and HE's got a plan for this dead and dying world and JESUS is that plan, thank you Father God.
I don't judge Kathy Griffin, I pray for her, she doesn't know Jesus, because if she knew Him personally, she would never be the same! Nothing compares to the greatness of knowing Jesus Christ, nothing can compare with knowing Jesus. Not just knowing about Him, but knowing Him personally! Thank you Lord God for your love and forgiveness!
Kathy Griffin actually did something worthy of an award....much less an Emmy??
I don't watch her or follow her career, but I am saddened by her ignorance as well as her blasphemous public display. She does have freedom of speech, but like all freedoms, it carries responsibilty as well as a price. I pray that she will hear Jesus's call and redeems herself through his grace.
My question is, knowing how vulgar of a person that Kathy Griffin is, why would any self proclaimed Christian be watching her do or say anything?
Freedom of speech goes both ways. Kathy can say whatever she likes, wherever she likes and whenever she likes, but along with our "freedom of speech" assumption, there is a natural law of consequences. We can all say what we like, but must also be prepared to be challenged on it. I don't understand why people are so angry that Christians are offended and speaking out about Kathy's comments. No matter one's reaction (positive or negative) to her statements, most reasonable people would agree that her statements were insensitive and likely to be inflammatory.
I'll use my "freedom" to say, "That's just not on, Kathy."
This is just ridiculous and shows just how stupid christianity and religion are.Whatever happened to freedom of speech,and yes folks,this is freedom of speech and expression.I am not a big Kathy Griffin fan,but do back her for having the guts to say something like this.I have no use for christianity and religion whatsoever,and feel that it causes the majority of the current problems going on in the world.I also feel the to many people use it as a crutch to hide behind so they can bash us free thinkers and then use the image of GOd and Christ to hide behind and forgive them for their sins.And I am not one to bash on peole religious or christian beliefs,but the first ones to rise up and start speaking out are the catholics,who are the most corrupt ans sinful of all religions.THey try to force their beliefs,molest innocent children,and this is ok,but another womans speaks her mind on Jesus,and it is a big no no.Personally, and this is just my opinion,but I think the Pope should jjust be hung,cuase his followers do this,molest children,and he says this is ok and must be forgiven.Give me a break.I will stand behind Kathy Griffin before I will any sick follower of the Catolic religion anyday.And for the catholic priest that was on tv this morning going on aobut how it was wrong,and he was gay,and not that I have anythin against gays,but the bible pretty much says it is wrong,if you believe in what you read in it.I just got three words for someone like him.Sodom and Gomorrah.Tha is about all on this.I know that some of you will read this and probably get al ticked off and slander me,but just remember,it is my opinion and my opinion only,so if you are offended easily,jsut don't even bother reading thsi,After all,iI ahve freedom of speech,and that is what I am doing here.Good day.
This is another example of the type of ignorance that is saturating our media. That is her attempt at humor? She could have said any number of things but chose to go there with it. More and more of this is being seen in the media. People who will say that they "found Jesus" when they get in trouble and then others who blatantly go in the opposite direction and push it into the faces of Christians. She further made a statement I am going to assume as a way of damage control that she is a Catholic and it was just a joke.... The Catholics as well as the Christians are not laughing. I've also heard her say that she is Jewish in the past (?)
As far as your statement WiccanTexan:
Why? Why is this God any more protected than other religious faiths? Why do non-Christians "HAVE to" have a reverence for just one particular God over another, one that they don't believe in? They've made no more a commitment to that than Christian have to be reverant to the Goddess or any other non-Christian deity.
We have a more convicted faith. We do take offense when someone blasphemes the name of our God. If you are a true Wiccan, or Buddhist, or Muslim you should be offended if someone takes liberties with your God. If not are you a true follower, a true disciple? Do you believe with ALL of your heart that your religion IS the only true way to go? For Kathy to say this and then claim to the world that she is Catholic (or a Christian) is absurd and misleading. Our Ten Commandments prohibit such speech and if she was a true Catholic she would know that. Do all Catholics tow the line? No, of course not. But they do not publically blaspheme our Lord for "sport". Should we not be enraged when one of our alleged own attempts to bring shame and slander to our Lord.
Muslims in their conviction would have probable decried her or at worst hurt her or worse for what she had said had it been directed to Islam based on the tenets of their believe. Christians aren't called to violence accept when commanded by the scriptures (when in defense of those who cannot defend themselves; with righteous motives) but in this case she has attacked the Lord personally and we believe if repentance isn't made the Law of Scripture is clear that she (we) will be judged.
So to answer your question. It is a matter of attack on OUR Christian belief system, not yours. That is why we get upset. We have that right. You have every right to get upset if your religion or practice is offended. As a non-believer you do not have to reverence our God however if you make a statement that a Christian (or any other religious group) finds offensive we will speak up.
Are you so insecure in your own faith that you care what Kathy Griffin has to say?
"Get over it, deal with it, love yourself and others"
We as Christains do love others and that is why we are witnessing to others. There will come a day when you and many other pagan believers will regret what you have said. LIfe is not about what Jesus has taught us but about coming to know him as your personal savior. I pray for you and others who believe that us Christians are judging you. The only one that judges anyone is Jesus Christ and one day he will judge you for all of your sins.
Thank goodness Christians like Donohue have a group that monitors this type of hate speech. He also criticized Robin Williams latest work. I no longer will watch a Robin Williams film.
When we can take our zeal for judging nonbelievers & use it to Glorify Our God, we will have achieved a closer relationship with God that loves others despite their lifestyles. No, not ignore, but t/ reason comedians use religious material & Christianity in their jokes is because of t/ egg shells we've spread over t/ world. When someone jokes about what many do not understand or thinks is worthy of lightening strikes, they will laugh at t/ "bravery" it took to dare such things. When we realize t/ futilities of judging others about what they say about our beliefs then it won't be sooo funny anymore! It will be more interesting! Praise God!
Deuteronomy 27:15
Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place.
Deuteronomy 32:16
They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.
Psalm 14:1-3 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Psalm 53:1-3 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good. God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God. Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Psalm 147:6 The LORD lifteth up the meek: he casteth the wicked down to the ground.
Proverbs 16:5
Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.
Romans 1:21-23 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Romans 3:11-19 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes. Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Jude 1:16
These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Griffin has not known the way of peace, nor has she fear of the Lord. By her words she proves herself to be a fool. But her proud swelling words will cease and her mouth stopped at the Great White Throne Judgment.
Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.
I remember seeing Griffin on a commercial where they were interviewing her for one of those TV/news/entertainment shows. I think she had some plastic surgery that went terribly wrong. And I remember hearing her very loud annoying voice, which made me change the channel. Listening to fingernails on a chalkboard is more appealing to me than listening to her prattling foolishness. Otherwise I had never heard of her or watched anything that she stars in. I'm not surprised or upset at her comment because quite frankly I don't expect any better out of this ilk from Hollywood/entertainment industry. 99% of them are lost heathen. 1 Peter 1:24-25 FOR ALL FLESH IS AS GRASS, AND ALL THE GLORY OF MAN AS THE FLOWER OF GRASS. THE GRASS WITHERETH, AND THE FLOWER THEREOF FALLETH AWAY: BUT THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURETH FOR EVER. The Word of God will still be around long after Griffin has kicked the bucket and split hell wide open, and long after her Emmy's been dumped in the landfill. How sad she believes that a molten graven image is her god (confusing since I thought she was an athiest), why that takes more faith than to believe in the true God of the Bible.
Thanks for the apology Golden Eagle, have a good one!!
Hey WiccanTexan how you doin'- You said "There's just a line that you shouldn't cross, there's a reverence for God that we should have."
Why? Why is this God any more protected than other religious faiths?"
Perhaps the problem could be looked at like this. It's just simple civilized behavior not to make crude sexual comments about anyone or anything that someone else holds that dear. Even without the religious aspect which of course makes this much more of an issue for people such as myself. The same person who might do this about God and think it's just fine, would be appalled if I made a really horrible sexually degrading comment about their mother, father, wife, or what or whoever they held dear, and that is as it should be. All we are asking for is this same understanding when people say things like this about Christ who we hold dear. Of course we should, and do, get upset when a person such as this makes these kinds of remarks. Wouldn't most people when one they love is attacked?
"There's just a line that you shouldn't cross, there's a reverence for God that we should have."
Why? Why is this God any more protected than other religious faiths? Why do non-Christians "HAVE to" have a reverence for just one particular God over another, one that they don't believe in? They've made no more a commitment to that than Christian have to be reverant to the Goddess or any other non-Christian deity.
If you look at it in perspective, it's an arrogant stance. And it's one of the main reasons, I would figure, that Kathy doesn't see redeeming value in the symbols therein. There's a big difference between having respect for other faiths, and counterbalancing the status quo.
As Christians, instead of beating up on Kathy Griffin and getting angry, we should pray for her and people like her to come to know Christ as their Lord and Savior. She has not yet accepted Him completely in her heart and had the joy of having a personal relationship with Him. In time, she will come to know that He can do much more for her than that statue can just by loving her. Instead of comdemning lets show compassion, understanding, and love. Pray that God will make Himself real to her, meet her at her deepest need, and show mercy and grace.
As a openly pagan person in a small town in the bible belt, I am under attack by Christians on a regular basis, they call it 'witnessing'. I understand Christianity, I was one, I choose to believe otherwise. They believe they are 'helping' me to see the light of Jesus, when in fact they are just strengthening my own beliefs. Please remember your disdain of Kathy Griffin's remarks the next time you 'blaspheme' someone's religion other than Christianity, we get offended, too. Just because you claim the faith majority of the US does not mean you have the right to condemn others, or be offended when someone disagrees. Get over it, deal with it, love yourself and others, wasn't that taught by Jesus? She speaks her truth and has the right to express it. Blessed Be.
When the time comes for every knee to bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, she is going to be so ashamed of herself...and so are a lot of other people.
I MUST SAY I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT COME TO A PLACE OF UNDERSTANDING THE POINT OF ENTERTAINERS THANKING GOD FOR AWARDS THEY RECEIVE FOR BEING PROFANE. FOR USING THEIR TALENT TO UPLIFT THE WORLD AND WORDS OF SATAN. THIS IS NOT GIVING GLORY TO GOD. IT IS LIKE PAYING FIRE INSURANCE ON A SHAKEY POLICY. THE AVERAGE PERSON DOES RECOGNIZE GOD EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT SURE HOW TO IDENTIFY WHO GOD IS. MS GRIFFIN IS BEING WHAT SHE IDENTIFIES HERSELF AS BEING AND TO SAY ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT GOD REALLY WAS A DUMB AND DUMMER MOVE ON HER PART. GOD ISN'T CONCERNED ABOUT THE AWARDS WE HAVE ON EARTH HIS LOVE HAS A GREATER PURPOSE THAN THAT, THE FACT THAT HER MIND WAS ONLY ABLE TO WRAP IT'S SELF AROUND THE AWARD AND PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT SHE HAS NOW FOUND HER god IS A DISPLAY OF THE DEPTH AND MAGNITUDE OF HER SHALLOWNESS AND HER SAD NEED FOR AFFIRMATION IN ANY ARENA. NOW WHAT ARE YOU ALL FEELING ABOUT THE LATEST PUBLIC DISPLAY OF QUESTIONABLE BEHAVIOR BY OUR PASTORS. WHAT ARE YOUR PASTORS DOING TO TEACH YOUR LOCAL CHURCH BODY HOW TO SEE THESE EVENTS AND MAKE PERSONAL CHOICES?
For the sake of discussion, let's look at it from this angle. Perhaps Kathy Griffin is simply making a statement about false Hollywood piousness and hypocrisy. At least, that's how I see her actions. Her stock in trade is shocking people. Perhaps the complacency needed a booster shot.
Jeepers. What ever happened to: If you can't say something nice...then don't say anything at all? Why couldn't she have just accepted the award, said "thank you" and walked off. Shock value...it's all about shock value. And who can do it better. Where does it end? Brittany Spears no longer shocks by going about in a drunken, drug addicted state, so she ups the ante by going about in crotch length skirts sans underwear. While on the other hand, there's the other segment of society...people who actually have more than one brain cell to rub against another...
My apologies to ccdowns. I may have come across a little too harshly in my response. We do need to pray for Kathy, and for the wisdom to use this opportunity as a witnessing tool to those who will listen. Peace to all of you, and thanks for the discussion.
I give praises to Christ that someone is standing up for Christians and speaking out. We wouldn't let anyone talk about our children or any other family member that we care about so if we claim to love Christ, we shouldn't allow people to diss Him neither. Americans have taken this freedom of speech way too far! I also feel sorry for Kathy and I pray for her soul.
Read Lauren Green's excellent response at http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296683,00.html.
Kathy Griffin's remark about Jesus Christ should draw sympathy from intelligent Christians. In the first place, this soul has chosen where she is destined after life—hell fire—by denying the author of life and choosing a statue for her god. She made a willful choice, in spite of all contrary evidences—God has made available all that should convince everyone that He is alive (2 Peter 3:4-6). She decided to believe that God is no-where (Psa. 14:1-3; 53:1). Really, God is NOW HERE. She removed only a little space in that word, to miss eternity! She has nobody to blame when she wakes up in eternity to discover that the One whom she blasphemed has been, is, and shall ever be, to determine her destination (Psa 90: 2). At that time, she would have gladly become an advocate for faith in Jesus Christ, but wouldn’t have that option.
The other aspect is that no one needs to fight for Jesus. He is able to defend Himself against all attacks. Unlike other religious leaders cum founders, He is alive and well. That does not mean that we should not raise concerns about such uncouth utterances like Kathy’s; but it should not be a priority. Other religious adherents may have pronounced death on her and physically seek to kill her. In this case however, Kathy has already condemned herself and killed herself—with her mouth. Nobody needs to help her. Please pray for repentance instead.
I thought what she said was hilarious. All the celebrities who give credit to god or jesus as some kind of show of faux humility, instead of recognizing that their own talent and the help of those around them got them where they were needed to get taken down a peg.
You just have to feel sorry for poor ignorant atheists that think that since God hasn't stopped humans from blaspheming (at least some of the time) that He is simply going to ignore what they say.
Yes we should all pray for Kathy, and we will pray for you. We all need prayers no matter what people think ...
The most intolerant and 'uncivilized atheist on earth', who would be better described as 'militant atheist' like others have just suggested... shame on Griffin...
Pray for Kathy. She opposes herself by her actions, perhaps God will grant her repentance. Jesus did have something to do with her award.
Acts 17:24-28 (NKJV)
24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.
25 Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.
26 And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,
27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’
No Golden Eagle, I am not saying christians should not voice their disapproval. Yes ,if she used racial slurs the same thing would of happened. I am saying eveyone gets so offended with peoples opinions these days? Look at the Dixie Chicks- Women, voicing their opinoin about the president, they were damned to hell too... To much BS judgements... and to much energy I have wasted on this subject, all have a great day!!!
It's interesting when you call some folks to task after they make certain statements and they seem to have mysteriously left. Perhaps he or she is simply putting the final touches on a comeback that is just so mind-boggling that it will obliterate our frail psyches. Sorry...i couldn't resist.
However vitriolic her concluding statement, I actually agreed with the first part of Kathy Griffin's comment. After all, having used her show to advertise and promote the homosexual lifestyle (cross-dressing and otherwise), it is apparent that her award was not due to any blessing of God. God does not bless abomination, nor those who "call evil good, and good evil." (Isaiah 5:20-24)
It also goes without saying that Kathy Griffin calling the invitation to host the Gay Porn Awards this year a 'great honor' - and then actually hosting it, and posing for photos with the actors, many of whom were either in drag or bondage paraphernalia - was pretty much just icing on that wretched cake.
I wrote to Bravo and asked them to cancel her show. If not for the sinful, tasteless rhetoric and lifestyles it shamelessly displays, then for the sinful, tasteless outbursts of its "star." [ I doubt that she will be removing the quotes anytime soon. ]
Where did JCIS go? Let's have a dialogue. Is Dialectics a lost art? Perhaps he or she is not as "enlightened" as he or she previously thought. Oh well, I'm a poor, dumb Christian who's willing to debate.
Golden Eagle- Good comment and true.
I don't think it's wrong to thank God/Jesus as an athlete or an actor, because there is such a thing as God-given talent.I wasn't blessed with great athletic ability or the ability to act.I agree with Kathy that God doesn't have much to do with some of the stuff she does.But I do think that it is ok to thank Him as an athlete or actor for the talents he has given you. Selfish would be to take credit for it yourself, when none of us controls what talents we are blessed with, even though we acn improve the use of them.
What my point is...both sides should have the grace to respect those of dissenting opinion. We all have the right to express ourselves...and a responsibility to do it tactfully. No one has the right to spew out invectives. They have only one purpose...to offend. Have we become so intolerant that we cannot bear a little difference of opinion? Have we not the grace to support our own natures?
Rev. Darren Simpson
JCIS- So what makes atheism any less "selfish" than Christianity? Don't we have the same right to speak in public and "offend" you folks as you have to do the same to us? Seems to me that it is more selfish. Perhaps you can enlighten my poor,Christian, Ignorant mind. <- last part your words...not mine.
I want to apologize if my last comments seemed a little too emotionally charged or even harsh.It's just frustrating for someone to say what they want about Jesus or put a crucifix in urine, and it's ok.But let someone say something positive about Jesus or take a stand for him, and it is no longer free speech.Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus!!!!!!!
Sure...she has a right to say what she wants to. The problem is that she proved that she had no tact or respect for others of different beliefs when she made the "Suck it, Jesus" statement. That shows her for what she and many other "militant atheists" are... just plain mad at anything that is related to religion and at anyone who dares to espouse a a religious belief. It's easy to flagrantly hurl invectives at folks...it takes a lot more finesse and class to have a dialogue with your perceived "enemy" that you disagree with.
Rev. Darren Simpson
Anglican Church of the Trinity
Oh you poor christians. You are so oppressed. I feel so sorry for you. I wonder why god can't get more control over us mere humans who bash jesus.
Maybe if evangelical christians, didnt try to force their fairy tales on everyone, people would'nt make so much fun and be so annoyed with you. As for Kathy Griffin, her joke was wonderful. She should be commended for putting out there how ridiculous it is when actors and athletes thank jesus for a victory or great play. It's kind of selfish for these people to think that jesus had something do with their win and their opponents loss. Its foolish, selfish and ignorant, just like most of you.
In other words, it's ok for Kathy to express her opinions, but we cannot express our disapproval. Who's the hypocrite now? That's the whole point.If she had used a racial slur or even criticized another religion, there would be an outrage.But it's ok to offend Christians.It's not only ok, it's actually fashionable in Hollywood.
I think that everyone has their own opinion. To many people get offended these days? Everyone needs to buck up and accept that everyone has different beliefs and opinions and leave Kathy alone. Well go ahead and keep putting her down, then that would make you a hypocrite and plublicity for Kathy.
If she really is "Catholic," I wouldn't be surprised because many Catholics out there believe being Catholic means going to a Catholic church. (Protestants face a similar problem, but that mostly stems from individual failure to realize that it is by grace we are saved, not by actions - not from failure of the church resulting from their teaching/emphasizing of actions first before grace) Long-shot statement, I know. But it's out there.
I know I've already commented on this story, but something doesn't add up.Kathy Griffin is described(by herself, according to the article)as both an atheist and a Catholic.Am I missing something here? I thought Catholics believed in God.You guys are right.She needs our prayers,because she is more confused than I thought!!
If she had mentioned Muhammud or anyone in the Jewish faith, she would be blasted immediately because this is about Christianity it is a free pass. Hollywood needs to practice what they preach about "tolerance". If she had made a "gay" slur or "racial" slur, she wouldn't be working anymore and have to make public service anouncements for GLAAD.
Kathy Griffin needs our prayers not our anger. She doesn't know Jesus Christ, once you meet the Lord God, HE changes your heart and life. Jesus Himself, tells us not to judge her, but to pray that she opens her heart and mind to Him. That she repents of her sin and gives her life to Him. Once I denied my Lord too, and I am so thankful for the many Christians who prayed for me! Anger changes nothing, but we can all pray for Kathy. The Word says, NOTHING shall offend them! It doesn't fall on us, it falls on JESUS CHRIST and HE can handle this!
Jesus paid the price for sin along time ago. For those who choose to not believe God, the wrath of God remains on them. This is further evidence of the times we live in, and the LORD warned us of these days! Hallelujah, HE comes! I'll be a moron or anything else for JESUS! HE REIGNS! I don't care what Hollywood thinks of me or my Lord! I know that HE is the most LOVING, AWESOME, GOD! I pray that these unbelievers will open their hearts to Him, in Jesus Name, AMEN!
Kathy Griffin hasn't met Jesus yet. She couldn't have ever met Jesus. If she had, she would never say such a thing but would thank God every moment for everything she has. Let's watch and see how her career moves along from this point forward. I hope she has the decency to apologize to our Christian majority.
I not sure I understand why anyone is offended.
Does what this person said change who Jesus is?
Be confident in your salvation! The Lord said we will be mocked and persecuted! Put your trust in Jesus above all things (and people) of this world. Pray for Kathy!
Praise God for He alone is LORD!!
This is another wonderful opportunity to share your faith with others with love! Don't repay wickedness with wickedness, anger with anger, nor hatred with hatred! Show them Love!
Peace be onto you!
We live in a country where we have free speech. The atheists can say anything they want to about the Christians or the Muslims (but they won't since they are afraid of them) or whoever they want. The Christians aren't allowed to say anything since the lawyers and the liberal media has decided that it would violate the rest of the population's constitutional rights not to hear things they don't want to. So any foul mouthed atheist can say anything they want to with impunity.......in this life. The good news for Christians is that the scripture makes it plain that things would be like this in the end times. Be of good cheer my friends the Lord's return is soon!
Kathy Griffin should stop calling herself a Catholic. No self-respecting Catholic would make such a comment. I hope there will be a backlash against her for her blasphemous remarks.
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I am personally offended by the vulgar and spiteful attack on Jesus' name by Kathy Griffin. Although I agree completely with GoldenEagle, I do state my belief that there will be a price for her to pay.
I seriously doubt that Kathy Griffin will pay any price, because her outburst was aimed at Jesus and Christianity.It seems that Christians are the only ones that it is ok to offend.Add this to the fact that most Hollywood types hate Christians, and you can see why they lambast us so much.Bill Maher is a good example of this.Christians to him are a bunch of morons.Oh well, I guess I'm a moron then.