Loud applause greeted famed life coach and female televangelist Paula White at her first public interview since the announcement of her divorce.
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(Photo: The Christian Post / TBN)Famed life coach and female televangelist Paula White appears on a show hosted by contemporary Christian music artist Carman that aired Wednesday, Sept. 12, 2007, in this image made from television.
White appeared on the Trinity Broadcasting Network this week as both a guest and preacher, touching on the highly public divorce she's going through while encouraging others not to be swayed by life's trials.
"I embrace the concept that I would not let my trial be wasted in life," said White on a show hosted by contemporary Christian music artist Carman that aired Wednesday and Thursday. "I often say 'I didn't write the script, but I'm learning to live it out with the best of my ability for the honor of God, with dignity, with grace, with favor, embracing His word."
Paula and Randy White, co-founders and former co-pastors of Without Walls International in Tampa, Fla. – one of the fastest growing churches in the nation – announced their decision to split at a Thursday evening service late last month. Married nearly 18 years, the couple blamed the two different directions their lives were going. Both have been divorced before.
Quoting what Jan Crouch, co-founder of TBN, had once told her, Paula White said, "You know who you are and you know whose you are."
"I say this for Randy ... my former husband," she continued. "And Randy is a man of God. No one sets their life out and says, 'Boy, this is what I think I'm going to go through.' And people look at things as failure, why didn't this work. But I see 18 years of the rock that I was healed from and I'm grateful for the seasons in my life because I wouldn't be who I am without all the people that God has used to help me, to develop me, to cultivate me.
"Some of the greatest development in the men and women of God ... were those in adverse situation, those in opposition," White added. "But it pulled out because you had that decision. You can either gravitate and put your hand to the plow and say, 'Okay, God, I don't get this one; I don't even like this one. But still what do You have to say to me? I will not be moved.'"
White is releasing a new book in October that she says contains contents from her personal journals and that it exposes "the inner most of my being." In You're All That!: Understand God's Design for Your Life, White talks about discovering "who you are in Christ."
"Because when you know who you are and whose you are, I believe it gives you that inner fortitude and that strength to face whatever life situation you may have to go through," said White on the show.
"When I don't understand life, I'm not going to draw back. I have decided to do one thing even my mind doesn't comprehend it – draw nigh," she said.
"I believe when people can find out who they are, then you can be equipped to handle life's situations."
News of the trouble in the Whites' marriage was first picked up by The Tampa Tribune in May. The two were rarely seen preaching together anymore as Paula's own ministry works were keeping her busy and growing her renown while Randy was pursuing another church start in Malibu, Calif.
Criticism broke out from former Without Walls staff who said the Whites have shifted their focus to money and fame. Paula White earlier said she knows followers will feel disappointed by the announcement given that evangelical Christians hold marriage as a sacred institution.
Randy White, who took "100 percent responsibility" for the split, will continue to lead Without Walls as senior pastor.
Aware of the critics, Christian artist Carman said people who don't have the "wherewithal" to assess the situation should not judge or "open that person up to look," as he stated it. He told Paula White that she is at the top of her game right now.
Still, with her divorce taking place in the public eye, White said, "Everything God brings me through ... I promise Him, I will hold my hand out to someone else and allow myself to say 'He lifted me through this, He'll life you through this.'
"That's what I think it's about. It wasn't simply for me."
Preaching to the television audience, White said, "Life events will not define who you are. God says who you are. You are somebody."
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She is so full of it.
Romans 1:18 - 2:16
Carmen told Paula she was at the top of game, i thought that was terrible thing to say. At least she is at the bottom and needs to start over again, she and Randy need to step down and be restored. You dont get hit by a mack truck (divorce) and then get up and act like everything is ok and that your on the top of your game and yes according the word Marriage is sacred. After 2 failed marriages i think its time that the body questions the heads spiritual mental state and motives.
I would just like to say this incident with Paula and Randy white has rocked me to the core. I do not get what is happening, this incident is really damaging to US, THE BODY OF CHRIST, were is our witness. We have to pray for Paula and Randy white and other men & women of God we know. This is a full frontal attack straight from the pit of hell. We have to go back to our foundations as christians and truely, honestly check our motivations for doing what we do. Do we really love Jesus? Are we really living SEPERATE lives from the world? Do we really have THE FEAR OF THE LORD? We must answer this question TRUTHFULLY and honestly to know were we really stand. People of God. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH we have to know WHAT we ARE DOING. May GOD have MERCY ON US.
Its always the guilty ones who want to hide behind the "whoever is without sin cast the first stone" scripture. Yes, it is true that we should not judge others but we have to be held accountable for our actions. There is a differerence between judging someone and holding them responsible for the foolish choices that they make. The bible tells us that we should help each other when we sin. God still loves Randy and Paula but he is also very angry with them because they have lied, cheated, stole, been unfaithful, etc. They have shown no signs of repentence. I pity the foolsih people who are excusing them and continuing to follow their teachings. If you read the scriptures for yourselves then you will see that alot of what Paula and Randy teach do not line up with the word of God. So pray that God touches their hearts and they repent. They need to be held responsible for their actions. So stop drinking the "kool aid" and open your eyes to the hypocrisy going on! Don't excuse it ! Say something! Go to www.tboforums.com and go to the faith and religion section and learn the truth about Randy and Paula White. The things that are on there have already come to pass. The truth will set you free! Stop excusing sin!
Let him without sin, CAST the first STONE !
I ADMIRE PAULA AND RANDY VERY MUCH. THEIR DIVORCE THOUGH NOBODY WISHED FOR IT WAS CONDUCTED IN A VERY SANE WAY. IT SHOULD BE AN EXAMPLE TO THE MEN WHO INSTEAD OF LEAVING THE WOMEN THEY DON'T WANT TRY TO DESTROY THEM WITH CURSES AND ALL FORMS OF THINGS.
Both her and Randy need to sit on the pew. Not behind the pulpit.
Ok We are to be Spirit Walkers Believers walking after Messiah Y'SHUA, If a Brother or sister Falls we who are spiritual are to pray and allow the Spirit to do His work. we are not to throw stone or gossip unless we to may fall. Paula is a Woman of God , she is Gods annointed, So be careful of how and what you say and do.And May God Move in both of their Lives according to His Will.
For those who are saying that Paula and Randy are only human, after all....and that they can still be used of God.... you are correct in both statements. HOWEVER, King David ADMITTED his sin. What is bothersome to me is that Paula particularly acts as if GOD SENT THIS into her life to make her ministry stronger. Also, she has taken absolutely NO TIME OFF to heal. (See the headline of this article!) She and Randy have submitted to sin in their lives, and yet they choose to ignore that fact and simply try to smooth it over and act as if this was pre-ordained for their lives by God. They need to humble themselves and admit their sins. Only then can they heal and be truly used of God again.
Using King David as a example. how about 1 cor 7. of course we all have faults so does that mean i should do whatever i want. No. i should be held accountable. face it when your in a certain position your responsibility increases as well as your level of accountablility. This isn't a mistake. mispelling a wod is a mistake. divorce is a process it dont just happen. bottom line its a choice regardless on how you look at it. and this just happened and there's no time of reflection? hmmmm. just book writting and interviews huh.
I had the opportunity to view Paula White on LARRY KING, She couldn't even answer most of the questions he threw at her regarding pastors living a lavish lifestyle. She sounded very dumb-founded...and she's a life coach?????.wake up people !!!!!...take your money and run
the viper are coming!!!!!!!1
I hope the IRS audits Paula (botox White , Jaunita Bynum , Joyce Meyer, Creflo Dollar and a host of other snakes in the pulpit. I tHESE PEOPLE ARE EXTREMELY FAKE !!, I will be so glad when the light is shed on all of these parasites who have misused and abused God's people's seeds that have been sown. I pray to God that a new law will be passed in terms of tax write offs for private planes ect . These people are riduculous and should be jailed.
OMG--two more Christian leaders announce that they are (gasp!) human. And so they go, along with Ted Haggard and gospel singer Sandy Patti. Interesting how things change when they affect you personally (oh, and let's not for get former pro-life first lady Nancy Reagan's position on stem cell research).
Wow, ok so I found this late. But seriously people go read your Bibles. No one can go through life and not sin, or screw up (That's why Jesus dies for us). But that does not mean that God can't use them.
Look at one of the most influential men in the Bible King DAVID!! He was a "peeping tom", slept with a married woman and got her pregnant and then MURDERED her husband to cover it all up. Hmmm lets see then what does God call him? "A man after God's own heart" AFTER ALL OF THAT! If God can use him STILL then why can't he use Paula? Right or wrong, don't judge! And if you have to say, "I'm not judging, BUT..." then you are. God can use anyone you just have to be willing. We need to stick to our own faults and make sure we're living above the law and do the right thing and lift Paula up in prayer, clearly she's going through some major poo on her own with out our way ward words. Remember that you have the power of life and death in your toungue! Speak her some life!!!
No matter what responsibility the Father has given to us we must first remember that we are first Christians. I AM NOT JUDGING BUT THE BIBLE SAYS THOUGH ALL THINGS ARE LAWFUL NOT ARE EXPEDIENT. THERE ARE SOME SACRIFICES AND DECISIONS WE MAKE FOR THE SAKE OF THOSE WE ARE LEADING. I THINK THAT RANDY AND PAULA WHITE SHOULD THIK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THEY HAVE WOUNDED BY THEIR ACTIONS. THATS WHAT THE MASTER WILL ASK THEM
Go to this web address and read the article. It's from May 2007.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/wwic/wwic4.html
They should change the name of the church to Prophets for Profit.
Dear Jesus,
I pray for Paula and her husband Randy knowing that You began a good work in them and will carry it to completion until the day of Christ Jesus. I pray that they would be still enough to hear Your voice. I pray that they would lean not on their own understanding but in all things acknowledge You, knowing You will make their paths straight. You desire our whole hearts, our obedience and I pray they will follow YOU ALONE! Protect them from the enemy and his evil devices. I pray Paula and Randy will allow YOU to bring unity to their marriage and to their church family. Praise YOU JESUS! Nothing is impossible with YOU!
AMEN
I know there is grace, like peace, that passes all human understanding. The one thing (next to Christs' redeeming sacrifice) that I am most thankful for in my life, is the grace of divorce. No human being, in 23 years of walking with Christ, has so ministered truth, grace, love and prophetic utterances as Paula White has spoken into my life. Gossip as you will, this woman is a propehtess of the most high God, and you might be careful about abusing one so mightily used by God!
God does not give couples a separate calling. He is a God of unity. My son and his ex-wife have just gone through something like this (they are not well-known) and he insists he is right and God is OK with what he has done. He is remarried now and there is a strain between us because I have told him he is scripturally wrong. So are Paula and her husband, and I don't know what Bible they are reading that makes it OK for them.
It is my opinion in matters like these, when a member of the ministry has shown a serious failure in their lives, that they should draw back for a season to HEAL and to be reconciled to God's will for their lives. I can say with assurance that it is NOT God's will that these 2 divorce, and yet, that is exactly what Paula seems to say in all her interviews. She treats it as if God has "sent" this into her life to make her a stronger person or to make her more effective in ministry or something like that. Not so. Paula and Randy need to admit that they have strayed from God's path.....and then they need to stay out of the pulpit for awhile. How can they be giving instruction for people when they need it so desperately themselves?
God's ministry is on the front lines of Satan's attacks. You don't send a wounded soldier back to the front line.....and yet, that is exactly what is happening. The fact that they both are continuing as if nothing has changed proves to me that they are NOT listening to God's will for them, and they are leaning on their own strength and understanding...... I think we all need to pray that they will become the submissive vessels they obviously once were, and they will stop the merry-go-round, take some time off, and HEAL.
Rad4JC, do you believe Paula and Randy White should continue in ministry? Divorce is not the unpardonable sin, but we do know that God hates divorce (not people), and that His will is that married couples persevere through difficulties instead of divorcing each other. We also know that He has said Christians' marriage is supposed to be a picture of His relationship to His church, the Body of Christ. Do you believe that Paula and Randy have been faithful shepherds to His people?
Yes, I am also saddened by the news, but as to some of the comments made above, we need to remember that though they be true or false, we don't always know, and should not pass judgement. I went also went through a very painful divorce, but Jesus brought me through it even stronger than before. Instead of judging, LET'S PRAY FOR BOTH PAULA & RANDY that God will heal and restore both of them, whether together or separately. As fellow brothers & sisters in Christ, they need our PRAYERS, LOVE, SUPPORT...not our condemnation. (Romans 8:1) I for one, as ever SO GRATEFUL to my Lord & Savior for picking me up, washing me off, bandaging my wounds, and restoring me back to Himself through other believers who loved me like Jesus. Just pray...
With all due respect - I believe Paula White needs to exactly that, 'draw back' in God's presence for a season. In any of our lives, whenever there has been a serious failure such as this which has affected the lives of many people, it is time to withdraw from the public eye, get into God's Word, spend time in prayer, and learn from Him where to go from there. The NT letters to pastors of churches are clear that teachers and pastors will answer to a greater judgment, that they carry a huge responsibility to the Lord for those whose lives are influenced by them. I sincerely hope Paula White will take the time to do this.
"Yet another reason to be an agnostic."
??? When people who say they are Christians fail to obey the Lord, how does another person's disobedience trump that???
When we stand before the Lord to give account of our lives, He is not going to ask us about other people - He's not going to allow us to blame someone else's disobedience for our own disobedience. Each person will answer for himself. The Bible says we are to follow Christ, not people - to be influenced only by the Lord, not others.
As the leaders go, so go the people. Discern a gift from an annointing.
I am saddend by the fact that yet another christian marriage is over. What message are we sending to the unsaved? Do as I say and not as I do? That we only believe the word of God in part? I believe alot of people will loose faith in the miracle working power of God, the power of forgiveness and restoration from God through these prominent leaders who do not live what they preach.
What is happening to our christian standards? moral values? character? What does it say of our faith in who God is if we preach the way of God but walk and live in the way of the world?
How do these people read their bibles... upside down? For crying out loud, they should leave the pulpit. They are a disgrace to the Body of Christ. Its indeed a shame adn there are people in their churches. Divorce is not considered by christians as a sacred institution... it is a sacred institution sanctioned by God and should be threated as such. The Bible even states a man who cannot control his house should not be a minister. Instead of hiding their faces in shame they are bold to tell the whole world they are divorcing... WHAT A SHAME! How can they preach on marriage?.. its not for life? or u can get a divorce whenever u want? God have mercy. The church has become something else. In case u have forgotten in Malachi.. God says 'I HATE DIVORCE' very clearly.............. Jesus says it was because of the hardness of man's heart that Moses permitted it...it was not and is not meant to be so. It is really disappointing
Well, it seems that Paula and her boyfriend will soon be going public. He is facing his own sexual scandal, and she was absent from his church for a few months to let things cool down, but he has re-named his church the "Epicenter" and she will be preaching there monthly beginning this month. You think I'm spreading gossip? No, I'm telling the truth. Just do a search engine on "Rick Hawkins" or "Rich Hawkins" and Paula White. Last February, about the same time Mr Hawkins was divorcing his wife, Paula took Randy off her Board of Directors and replaced him with Rick Hawkins. She bought a 700K home this past summer near Rick in Texas (about the time the divorce from Randy was announced). These are FACTS, not rumors.
I agree with Pastor Leo, it is shattering to the congregation when their Pastor headship splits, the ramifications are far reaching. When the shepherd is struck the sheep scatter. People these days play with God forgetting that His Word stands no matter what - if God said it - nothing can reverse it. He is clear about divorce in the Bible. It is easy to say when things aren't working out as one pleases that the marriage isn't God's will and the person they chose to marry wasn't the right person. Wouldn't someone that is in Christ make sure that they are marrying the person God chose for them and not someone else? Also when two people are joined together in holy matrimony - doesn't that automatically become God's will - because what God has joined together no one can put asunder? Since when does God give each spouse a separate calling! - they are one! God is the ultimate judge - but people have to be held accountable for their actions especially when there are so many innocent people that feed of the teachings. I shudder at the thought that there aren't many people that fear God these days - the fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom.
i am a minister of almost 40 years. i am somewhat tired of people saying we are not the judge. i agree we are not. but the scripture does say that fruit is a result of our life and character is a high premium. not matter how many are being one to the Lord. and PTL for that. A persons life should be above reproach. a persons life should be an example of integrity. a ministers marriage should show forth an example of faithfulness and purity. an example of oneness and unity. when two people are striving to acheive their individual fame, they are not one in the first place. Paula White is very arragont and self-righteous. To think that while preaching the word, would be unfaithful to her husband is sin. that is not judging, that is a fact of the word. we cannot get around the word and try and only work it to fit our lives we convenient. God is a God who forgives and the Second chance. But sin is sin. she has been divorced before. something is very wrong. it sends an horrible message to the unsaved community. and then there is TBN, who wil have anyone who can make them money one, who have no standards. they will back anyone. it is a disgrace to the kingdom, and to those of us ministers who have tried to be faithful for years. who do not drive the Mercedes and live in million dollor homes and who drain people of money by deceiving them with our ungodly living. i wish i had a 700K home, after 40 years in ministry, pastoring places Paula White would never go. DIDO to Pastor Leo and same on you to Living Grace. Making statements according to the word in regards to sin, is not judging, it is sin.
Jesus was born from the Virgin Mary. Mary and Joseph walked a hard road, believing despite circumstances that made made them look disgraced. Sometimes believing takes us to places that we cannot understand, but we have to believe anyways. It is a hard road to follow christ, Could it be that sometimes our own will gets in the way of God's will and we Marry people for the wrong reasons?. Maybe Paula's husband has a big purpose and so does Paula, and they were meant to meet and work together in Christ, but not neccessarily marry. it is so easy for us to be with anyone, that sometimes it is not neccassarily in God's will.
Paula White: " I'm Not Going to Draw Back"
why would she, then she would have to give up the big paycheck, new cars, large homes, private planes.................ah yes another televangelist hypocrite.
Yet another reason to be an agnostic.
May God bless Paula and I thank God for her. To go on in spite of. So many have backed down and gotten out of the race. So many are just sitting waiting just to die because of the trails. Divorce is like a death. Just like Jesus he went in to meet the needs of others and I am one of them. I would have given up. When you are about to be elevated your nights seem so hard and so long. I am with her and will cont. to surport this ministry.God's way and thought are higher than ours. Don't put him in a box like the Pharisee did. Love u and keep pushing on in spite of.
First, i want to say that GOD is the only judge of all believers and non believers...yes GOD's word says at the end many will come in his name but are false...this is why we need to stay in his WORD (BIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and pray and fast to find truth...people of all authorities say many things both true and false and it is up to us as individuals to seek the truth in his WORD...i like Paula's preaching along with many others but I also read scriptures and pray on what i hear because i know that we are all human and fall short of GOD's glory daily I as an individual need to keep myself right regardless of the circumstances or surroundings i am in...PEACE AND JOY TO ALL...MERRY CHRIST-MAS!!
it was also very disappointed to hear of the Whites divorce but whether i know what really happened or not, my role as a christain should be to lift the Randy family and their Church family bse it must be hard on them.know one can really understand the dynamics of two peolpe relating except God,let us not tear them with our analysis but support them in prayer.
I would like to reaffirm what Pastor Leo said. Right on! I am a pastor myself and am bothered that it seems that very few people are calling them on the carpet concerning this situation in their life, especially since they are pastors and are supposed to be living above reproach. Now, I don't know the details of thier split, but the Bible only indicates two reasons for divorce. 1. Adultery and 2. If you are married to a non-believer and they want out of the marriage because you are a believer, found in 1 Corinthians 7. I would like to know which one of those they fall into. If it is the first one, both of them should take time out of their so called important ministries and get themselves back on track with God. And if it's the second one, well you think about that.
The Bible is pretty clear that we are not to judge for judging sake. However, Jesus did say we would know them by their fruits. I do have to admit I like her style of preaching, but their personal life is not lining up with their public life. And for that, I am bothered that no one is addressing this with them and holding them to a higher standard. In my mind she and her husband have lost a lot of credibility as a public representative for God.
I believe with all of my heart that what goes on in private will be made known public and that is exactly what we are seeing. I do pray that both of them will see that just because they are divorcing each other the problems that were there in their private life will not just disappear because they are seperated from one another. They will have to address the real issues or God will.
Anyway, just a thought.
I think we are not the ones to judge. This is between Paula, Randy, & God. No one else really knows what happened. For me. I see fruit being borne. Souls being won, & lives being changed. With God ALL things are possible.
Awesome comment, Pastor Leo. I agree wholeheartedly. Let God be true, and every man a liar!
Just thought I had better repeat this message.
Divorces are a direct result of sin, sinning, and sinful behavior. Divorce occurs in marriages long before either person files the paperwork. Divorce is supposed to be the solution to an irresolvable problem in the marriage. Is there a problem in any Christian’s life that the Lord cannot resolve? Is there any sin too great that the Lord cannot forgive?
God hates divorce, Malachi 2:16! God did not say adultery was grounds for a divorce. It is not the adultery, but the hardness of your heart that demands a divorce. Adultery can be forgiven, but a harden heart is too prideful to forgive or to hear from anyone, including God.
Marriage is a vowed relationship with the Lord. The only other vowed relationship anyone has with the Lord is their vow to accept Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior. Marriage vows come BEFORE anyone’s “Calling” into ministry. If your ministry is interfering with your marriage, then step down from ministry, immediately, and heal your marriage. It makes you wonder who are Christians following, the pastor, or Jesus Christ? My Bible says to have the mind of Christ, not the mind of the pastor.
The many members of the congregation may choose to stay with a pastor who is living in sin or openly committing sin(s). They may say it is out of love and forgiveness, but not really. It is out of pride and selfishness. A sinful pastor will continue to lead them astray, but it is by their personal choice to follow. Whose voice do you follow? If the pastor’s heart is not contrite and humble enough to step down, for a season of healing, then it is only a matter of time before they fall down and take many with them.
Ecclesiastes 5:4 states; do not make a vow to God and break it; do not make a vow to God and then say that it was a mistake (paraphrased). You, your spouse, and the Holy Spirit have formed a threefold cord. You now, must break your relationship with God before you can break you relationship with your spouse. Who wants to follow a pastor who is no longer in relationship with God?
God has never and He will never tell anyone to get a divorce or to marry someone else because you missed Him in your choice of a spouse. Stop lying about the Word of God. God hates divorce! God also hates lying! I don’t think that God makes any exceptions to His Laws for the rich and famous even if they still claim to be pastors of HIS church.
Pastor Leo Bogee
www.wclandtm.com
apas3593, I just want to say that I have been reading your posts on here and I appreciate you speaking out in truth, and the spirit in which you do it.
I am especially glad to see that others recognize that Allah is NOT "just another name for God", as so many are fond of saying these days.
And I am not "on the attack" for Paula White....but you speak truth about her "boyfriend". I find it appalling that so many are following this woman in her bad judgement. I can only hope and pray that she will see the error of what she is promoting and repent of it. When a prominent "woman of God" divorces her husband for no apparent reason (even if he takes 100% responsibility), and gives God glory for it, there is something seriously wrong. This is not God's doing. God does not place people in ministries that ruin their marriage. This just confirms to me that Paula and Randy are working in their OWN ministries, not anything that God has called them to do. Jesus said that in the last days, many would come in His Name, saying that He is Christ, and still would deceive many. (No, I am not misunderstanding that scripture- go and read it. It is commonly misunderstood). He also said that there would be a great "falling away". I sincerely believe that this prosperity preaching is setting up many Christians to fall away.
Back to Paula's boyfriend: She bought a $700K home in Austin TX to be near him....she preaches in the church he founded and his son now pastors as often as she can. Back in February 2007, she took Randy White off of her board of directors and placed this man on her board....at the same time, he was divorcing his wife, and his son was also divorcing. Coincidence? I doubt it. This is no big secret.....anyone with a search engine can read about it.
This whole situation is a sad state of affairs. But it confirms to me also that these "megapastors" may start out with the right motives, but soon being glorified by others corrupts their messages and their very core. Human beings were never meant to be glorified, and we cannot handle it. The glory is for God, and Him only!
PS....I am a woman minister, and I agree with you, apas3593, wholeheartedly that women are not meant to be in authoritative positions in the church. That is not to say we cannot minister..... but we should not be apostles, elders, and such.
Dear rightgod,
I was stunned by your post. Be careful guy, when you throw the Holy Spirit into a foolish gest the bible declares that you are treading on the unforgivable waters of blasphemy. Your post was amazingly dangerous. You better fall down and repent and pray that God grants you forgiveness. What you said could be the unpardonable sin. I don't know but you are borderline!
apas3593
Actually I am a brother :). As far as the truth goes, well that’s what sets you free. Ever since the first wave of big name ministers started to get exposed in the late 80’s sad enough nothing would surprise. I have always preached to my kids that if they repeat something they should always have the facts and not flippantly say something. Not implying you are but it’s just second nature to ask for backing. The love of money is the root of all evil. I am all for having money and according to the Word God delights in the prosperity of His servants and III John says beloved I wish above all things that thou prosper and be in health, but here is the clincher even as your soul prospers. But to get back to the point. When these preachers put themselves in a position where they need money and in their minds start having to beg for it that opens up a big door of all kinds of things. We have a 15 million dollar church with a congregation of less then 1500 people and we never take up an offering. When we walk into the sanctuary through one of the 3 doors there are like envelope slots on each side and we drop our money in there. Nothing is ever said about that. My preacher is 91 years old and is in a ray of good health, healed on his death bed at 51 and he just trusts the Lord. He reminds me a lot of Smith Wigglesworth and old time evangelist who went on to be with the Lord in the mid 1940’s. To me that is saying a lot.
Dear thankfulservent (cool screen name by the way),
Yeah, I have to back track a little and admit that that was a bit inappropriate to reveal on a message board where weak minded people (I am not implying you) could see that and interpret it in some crazy way. It just came out before I knew what I was saying and then after I read it I said "darn, I should not have said that." Bad apas3593!!! (LOL)(Slap wrist!)(LOL).
But anyway, it is the truth and that is mild compared to some of the other things that will soon be revealed about pretty Paula. I got all kinds of other dirt on Paula White that would singe your nosehairs. That is nothing. As a matter of fact I know lots of famous people but I will never be able to reveal who I am or who I know. So if my previous statement about Paula White strikes a qualm within you or if the potential validity of that statement upsets you or strikes a qualm, then there is no way I could further communicate with you (even in priviate by a personal email) because I don't know how you would take what I say. In other words YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!! (LOL, LOL)
No, no, no, just kidding sister. Every now and then my comical side kicks in and I make people laugh. But anyway, Jesus is so wonderful, I love being saved and having my name written in heaven. I would not trade it for anything. Bless the Lord, Hallelujah!!! Hope to hear from you again.
Your friend apas3593
Dear rubinlueski, if you are not a muslim than what religion are you. I mean, it is none of my business but when you said "Alahu Akbar" lets just be real here for a second, that is a common tone that muslims use. But if you insist that you are not muslim, fine. But I wonder what you meant by that and why you would say something like that just for the sake of sounding cool? To me, that sounds like somehting out of the twilight zone. I mean I am literally waiting for Rod Serling to pop out any second and do the nener nener promo (LOL).
But seriously bro, everything I said is out of the bible. Jesus talked about hell on numerous occasions, but today there are many who have chosen to believe the lie that it (hell) does not exist.
And I do not expect for what I say to sound logical to you. The bible says that the natural man does not understand or recieve the things of the spirit because they are foolishness unto him. It also says "neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned." The reason why my takes on hell sound foolish to you is because you are not a Christian and the Holy Spirit does not dwell in you to nudge you and literally say to your spirit "Yeah man, thats the truth." Without the Holy Spirit convicting you, you will only want to debate me back and forth. I do not mind doing that because the bible says we need to be ready to give an answer to every man concerning the hope that is within us. I am praying for you bro, Jesus loves you, and I pray that the Holy Spirit will touch your heart and reveal the truth of Christ to you. Hope to hear from you again.
Your friend apas3593
Apas3593 where do you get your information that Paula has a boy friend. If you read my earlier post I am not sticking up for her but statements like that must have some facts behind them.
apas3593, wow, weird stuff there. your stuff sounds like something out of the dark ages. The scientist part of me says, Where there is no logic, there is no truth. Your religion doesn't have much logic to it. By the way, I am not a muslim, Allahu Akbar min kulli shay just sounds sort of cool.
Dear rubinlueski, I know that Allah is a reference to God. It seems that every time I converse with a muslim, they are so fast to point that out to me as if I did not know that. But remember, there are 3 that bear witness in heaven: The Father, the Word (Jesus) and the Holy Ghost.
Due to your denial of the blessed trinity (3 in 1) you error, and worship Alllah who was a false pagan sun God of the Philistines (who were the ememies of Israel). Your praise and worship actually goes to Satan not God, which Muslims believe to be Allah. The true and living God is Jesus, and only he can give eternal life. When muslims die, they do not go to paradise. Instead they meet Satan in hell(who they thought was Allah (God)) and he mocks them and binds them and torments them for all eternity. The same is true with Jews my friend. Every single Jew that denies Jesus Christ dies and goes hand in hand into hell with the Muslims, Witches, Homosexuals, Adulterers, and alcoholics. Think about it rubinlueski, all of those Jews who were tortured and gassed in the gas chambers by that devil Hitler, if those Jews did not accept Jesus into their hearts as their Lord and savior, then today they are suffering in torment in hell for all eternity. It is very sad, but very true. Jesus is the only way bro, I hope you get saved some day. We could use intelligent, aggressive people like you in the kingdom.
Dear apas3593, thanks for the messsage. However both Islam and Christianity are monotheistic religions. Allah = God. Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word Allah to mean God.[
Dear Momof3, I am concerned about your post for a number of reasons. For starters, you never mentioned or even paraphrased one scripture to explain or justify your poiint of view. Second, you gave more glory to ministries like Paula Whites for your breakthroughs. Be careful sister, it is Jesus who has healed you and blessed you not a man or a woman. You also said some things that were totally unscriptural. You said that Paula and Randy will now have more compassion and be more effective ministers of God. Are you serious sister? So, in order for me to have compassion and an effectiveness in ministry towards gay people, I need to go out and have a homosexual affair? Or, in order for me to have a great compassion and effectiveness in ministry for people born without an arm or a leg, I must go out and cut off my arm or leg? I am sure you can now see the ignorance of your statements. You also said that people kicked you when you were divorced. If that is so then take the persecution like Christ or the apostle Paul who said we are made as the filth of the earth as apostles. Quit feeling sorry for yourself sister, get over whatever you went through and realize that there is a persecuted body of believers who are suffering real torture and persecution for the name of Jesus. Don't try to be a martyr!!! You also compared Paula's situation to Job in the bible. Are you on crack? Job was persecuted for righteousness sake. And for your information your little pulpit beauty Paula has a boyfriend in Houston Texas. She is out of order and in adultry. So get back on your knees sister and pray through. God is not the author of confusion or divorce.
P.S. How can you possibly support her pulpit ministry when she cannot even guide her own house? She literally has no right to guide the houses of other saints. She needs to step down!
It blows my mind to see such a "mighty woman of God" file for divorce. It cracks me up, and its just one more example of phoniness and hypocrisy in the church. She talks about things like "the hard times", and "going through the valley"...what a joke...she can't even forgive her own husband. She won't even love and accept her husband for God's sake, and yet she spouts off teachings to the rest of the world. If the message of the gospel is love, then love your partner enough to stay married, regardless.
I am not proud of this, but about twelve years ago I developed a relationship with another woman that I had met online. We had a phone relationship that lasted six years. We literally fell in love, we met twice...(no sex) but spoke daily on the phone...both of us were married. We felt that we were soulmates. I cannot express in words how badly I wanted to leave my wife and start a new life with this woman. It literally took a miracle of God to put an end to these desires.
Giving up this other woman was so hard for me, that I literally felt like Abraham offering up his son as an act of faith...It was the greatest test of my life.
But my wife and I came through it, and we stay together because we made a commitment to God, in spite of ourselves, and in spite of how we may feel on any given day.
And here, this world famous preacher cant even stay with her own husband, because perhaps "the feelings are no longer there"....like I said, it just cracks me up.
Send them more money, make the checks out in both Pretty Paula and Rockin Randy's names. If enough folks send enough money, surely this will bring keep them together. Money buys happiness, they just dont have enough yet. I hear that their private jet was used. They would be much happier if they could get a brand new one. Their condo in NY City could use some improvements too. Allahu Akbar min kulli shay.....and ....LOL
Paula's messages have transformed my life. I have never appreciated her more than last night when I watched Larry King. I watched my partner walk out the door almost 2 years ago, and
was also kicked down by believers at the time...but God is faithful!! and my 3 kids and I are being healed by ministries like hers. I know this experience will make Paula and Randy more compassionate ministers of God, and more effective in the kingdom. Let us not forget Job, and that these two servants have done soooo much good. What about that?
I was sickened by Paula White's Larry King interview last night. That sister has forgotten where she has come from. She speaks with a major spirit of pride and in my opinion, which is based on Holy Ghost discernment, she has totally sold out for the almighty dollar. She is money hungry and is giving people who have been afflicted by poverty and unfortunate circumstances a false hope. Paula White sadly decieves these vulnerable people with lots of hype, excellent sounding words, and a demonic pulpit prescence. She has literally been taken over by a satanic spirit that gives very little glory to Jesus. Remember folks, Paul said that he did not come in the excellence of speech but with a demonstration of power. Where is the Holy Ghost power Paula?
I just watching Paula White in Larry King CNN after the divorce. What ashame.... she did not think she needs to repent at all and she said marriage is for season. Wake up America... watch out to whom you listen to in church... is she talking from herself or from the Word of God. I will not buy her book.
Concerning the Divorce of the Whites as Pastors. What an indictment to the Lord Jesus Christ Who is Head of the True Church. Is He not able to see us through whatever difficulty we are facing in life, especially Marriage. Now if "Both blamed the two different directions their lives are going."Is not God to Blame? providing it is He who called them to such apposing directions. I sincerely doubt that. Let God be TRUE & Everyone else a LIAR. May all true followers of Christ Jesus heed the warning of scripture . 2 Cor 11:14‘And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.”Let us follow the true of our souls Christ Jesus.
The sad thing is from what I have read and seen on news clips Paula White is not willing to admit that divorce means a marriage failed. Jesus said because of the hardness of your heart God gave Moses the right to grant divorces. Also in Corinthians it talks of how a believer should stay married to an unbeliever if the unbeliever desires it. Wouldn't if be easy for the believer to walk away and say I am going to find a Christian spouse or even a Christian to say I want someone more spiritual. I heard a Christian speaker say it is amazing what you will do when divorce is not an option. I am married to a lovely Christian women and after 22 years we went through the most difficult time in our marriage (no adultry involved) yet knew Gods will is to stay married. Praise the Lord we have weathered the storms and are doing good and getting better. Thats how you weather the storm in a marriage, Not ending in divorce and letting the divorce be your storm but calming the winds and overcoming the storm to stay together. I am not bragging on us I am just thankful for God, the Word , and a preacher who preaches a strong word without compromise. I write all this because according to the Bible it is misleading to say someone is at the top of their game when their marriage has fallen apart. Not wanting to be mean but just speaking something dear to my heart.
for me i am reminded that marriage is what God is like. We are admonished that if there is adultry or abuse that is room for a divorce. Marriage is up and down both of you know God's word and I am sure that this discision was not made ovedrnight. God hears your perayers and once God release you then who are wse to be judgemental?
the important thing is to keep sending your hard earned cash...LOL
Tanyam, I feel for you. I know of marriages that have survived all kinds of abuse. Don't look to the right or to the left, keep your eyes on God. He, not humans, will guide you. I will pray for you too. Your situation is an example of how Christians (like Paula White) can be a stumbling block to others. God Almighty Himself is the only sure thing. Please do not think that life could be better if you got a divorce. I know someone who thought like that, and now all she wants is her husband back. We will pray for you to be guided by God. Divorce only creates other problems.
I WONDER HOW COULD A RELIGIOUS LEADER LIKE PAULA WHITE CONTINUE TO LEAD THEIR CONGREGATION AND TELL PEOPLE HOW TO LIVE CHRISTIAN LIVES WHEN HER OWN MARRIAGE LIFE IS A FAILURE. I THINK SHE AND HER HUSBAND HAVE ALREADY LOST THEIR MORAL ASCENDANCY. THEY SHOULD BE THE FIRST TO KNOW THAT GOD FORBIDS DIVORCE.
Tanyam, please, please, I know how hard it might be for you now, but don't take your cues from these people. They are just human and as it turns out just a fallible as the rest of us. We need to take our cue from Jesus and get our instructions from the writings of those that God chose. You hang in there and know that I and my church will be praying for you!
i just want to cry, i've been through so much, the kids are going through a lot, but i've been really trying to work this marriage out. I've so far wanted to disappear. but i don't, i just stay. I thought this was all a rumor.
i don't know what to say.......i'm trying to prevent myself from becoming crushed. I've been holding on to my marriage (as bad as it has been), not seeking a divorce, avoiding it at all costs, and she gets a divorce. what does that mean? that i'm wasting my life staying in this marriage? I'm miserable, but i felt like God can work this out. NOW what do i do? unbelievable
Honestly i am surprised at what happened. They are supposed to be examples in the body of Christ, but look at what's happened. God have mercy! The whole thing is just very messy and alot of people are really disappointed. I just pray that they are humble enough to allow God clean them up.
I agree, I think it's true, to remember the good things that ministries do, and how they help people. I've been considering certain ministries and how they have helped me. And, surely that demonstrates the fruit of the ministry. Right? We are supposed to look at the fruit. I also agree that their personal lives are none of our business, rather we are to use discernment. Only God knows. And yet, the Word of God is very strict about divorce. However, there are many great ministries in which the leader has been divorced. The distinction is probably in regard to the attitude of the heart, and whether or not any deception is involved. Boy, this is complicated. Therefore, we can not judge. Those who show mercy shall receive mercy!! It's a puzzlement and that's why I am perplexed!!
I am so ashamed and disappointed that these two people have flown close to the flames of fame and money and have been burned by greed. The worst part is that they tried to tell others of Biblical teachings but did not live it. Be sure your sins will find you out. When you pretend to be led by God, and your heart is not pure before Him, He handles the situation and brings to light the sins of man. This is a lesson to all of us, as Christians. We should live holy lives so that others will be won to God through our actions, not our words. Being a Christian is not just playing, but praying at all times. The devil is very real and walks around like a roaring lion. But God can take that which is wrong and turn it into good. Let us just hope that these two individuals will humble their knees and once more feel the love that they had for each other in the beginning.
They are divorcing outside of Biblical grounds and both should step down as leaders of their ministries.
Everyone has marital difficulties, but as Christians leaders of a large church do they care about what the Bible says. To divorce over "incompatibility and neglect" is not a legitimate reason, according to the Word of God! Please note Matt. 5:32: "But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to commit adultery, and anyone who marries a woman so divorced commits adultery." Biblically speaking God hates the action of divorce. He grants it based on adultery by either spouse. What about their congregation who paid them 3million a year to preach and minister and hold them accountable. The world can do what they will. Christians are bound by the Word of God. If not then what book do we base our beliefs on.
I truely think that Carman was without a doubt RIGHT about Paula White. I stand up and appaulade a woman who has went through everything she has and still gets up and is able to praise God without holding back. Most "Christains" now days cannot and will not praise God if everything isnt just right, or they just dont feel like it. And to be completely honest ITS NOT ANY OF ANYONES BUSINESS WHY THEIR MARRIAGE IS OVER, thats between them and God.
No one has even said anything about all of the women and men that her ministry has reached and changed their lives. But I really dont think some of you care, instead all you want to do is tear her down instead of lifting her up in your prayers. Their are modern day Prophets and I believe with everything in me Paula White is a Prophet. And the bible says how can we hear without a preacher.
Well I didn't even know that Paula White was even getting a divorce but I agree with someone and I think we all should pray for them and let God handle it. It really doesn't do any good to get upset because we don't know the situation going on in the household. I'm sure when we all go through things no one ever knows until you say something. It could be something serious and they just need our hope and prayers so that God can give them more strength to work whatever out. I know that he can do because I have been through something very seriuos in my marriage and I thought it was over but it isn't over until God says that it is. So I encourage everyone on here to pray for them and give them strength
Hello, I am a 19 year old college sophmore and I am very disappointed in Randy and Paula White. You do not just give up on 18 years of marriage just because "we're going in different directions". Instead you work together to get back on the same track because when you marry you and your spouse become one flesh. I don't understand why Randy and Paula White did not take a break from ministry to work on their marriage if they new they were getting off track. I have learned by watching this whole issue with Randy and Paula White that when god blesses me with a husband after his own heart I will not follow their example. I will fight for my marriage and be the best spouse God has called me to be. I look at the lives of Randy and Paula White and it makes me realize what's really important in life and thats our relationship with Christ, Marriage and Family. Material things will fade away. I want my marriage to last a life time and not end just because "we're going in different directions". I will follow Christ and not man. I am soo disappointed in Paula White because I really looked up to her. Also, I have accepted my calling to preach the Gospel and I want to know how can I keep myself from falling into the same trap as they did? Also is there any hope of Randy and Paula White reconciling? We should continue to pray that God opens their eyes and restores them individually as well as a couple.
When I said that Christian leaders need to get some guts and speak up about the deception, I did not mean on nationwide t.v. Rather, someone who is led by God should quietly go to Paula and Randy White and advise them what God and His Word have to say. And, someone in authority might advise them to step down from their ministries, until they can get their marriage back together. Someone in authority needs to have the guts to tell them they should not be ministering on t.v. at this time. To me, that's a potential problem within the Church, there are not clear authority figures. The rational is, "God is the authority". That is true, but in a case like this, when it appears that deception is involved, someone should speak up. Why do the Christian networks allow them to continue to have a nationwide forum when God is not mocked and when Christians are not fooled either?? I'm just asking a question. Should they be allowed to minister on t.v. when their life does not line up with the Word of God for ministers?? I do not know. And, I think the other ministries do not speak up about it on t.v., because they do not want to jeopardize their position with the Christian networks. It seems like these big ministries, who have a place on television, are like a "vicious circle". They are all linked, and they all listen to each other, and no one wants to go against the grain. But, finally and ultimately, SOMEONE needs to listen to GOD; and have the GUTS to speak up.
When Carmen said Paula was, "At the top of her game." - to me, that meant that her ministry has momentum, and that's why she's not stepping down. If she stepped down now, she might lose momentum and her ministry would diminish; and she might have to start all over again, at a later time. But, I wonder what God would want her to do???? Something is just not right; and it is up to the Christian leaders to speak up and tell her if she is off base or deceived. Somebody needs to get some guts and speak up about this to her. But, I bet even the Christian leaders do not know what's going on; and THEY do not want to judge either. For crying out loud we are not stupid suckers out here. We know what the Word of God says. Come on Christian leaders, in the church, speak up against this deception in the Name of Jesus!
I think the Christians in the pews can see a little more clearly than the Christians in the pulpits sometimes. It's up to the Christian leaders to minister to those in the ministry. But, we are to be watchers on the walls, and not deceived. You know, Christians in the pews hear from God just as easily as those in the pulpit, and we are not stupid.
I don't even know where to begin. I've been saved almost twenty-five years and I can't believe what I'm reading. All I want to know is what Biblical reason did (has) Paul and Randy White give for their divorce? To end their marriage is saying to the world that NOT everything is possible WITH GOD!! Why hasn't their been a CRY from the body that this is WRONG! That's my final question. We march for all kinds of things, but we haven't yet called a solemn assembly and a HOLY fast to break the HOLD the enemy has over Christian marriages. The Bible says, "it was not so in the beginning (divorce that is) that what God has joined together let NO man (Paul or Randy) put asunder. What legitimacy do we have in the world now, if we KEEP QUIET about this! No one is judging Paula or Randy, but supposedly for us believers the WORD should be the final judge - not our opinions, thoughts, or comments! WHAT DOES THE WORD SAY ABOUT DIVORCE! New believers only law they are to live by is LOVE! (PERIOD)
I think that Carman used a poor choice of words, "at the top of her GAME right now"! Is that what their leadership is, a GAME? Maybe it IS about money and popularity? I hope not.
Aware of the critics, Christian artist Carman said people who don't have the "wherewithal" to assess the situation should not judge or "open that person up to look," as he stated it. He told Paula White that she is at the top of her game right now.
Praise God because he is good and HIS faithfullnes endures forever! Let's keep OUR sister in prayer. We all belong to the body of Christ and one of our members is very hurt. She, and he, needs as much of Gods love and grace to get through the difficulties of life as you and I.
I know that God is working on my character so I certainly would not want to judge Paula on hers. She is a servant of the most high God! And even though I do not believe in Divorce, I do beleive that those two need our prayers. Who knows what can come of this event in their lives? The word says no weapon formed against us shall proseper! So let the corporate body of Christ unite that these two receive insight from the Holy Spirit.
The Lord can make a way where it seems impossible! Let's invite Abba Father to minister to us with what is happening with those around us that would cause us confusion. Let the light of Christ shine though this situation and bring GLORY to his name!
I write with sadness, becausa today for the first time I watched a preaching by paula white during the megafest 2004. I was so touched and moved by the woman I saw preaching. thats why I've just decided to check on the internet andknow more about her and how GOD is using her. But im sorry to say this; IM really disturbed about everything i've just read. Now I dont know what young Christians like me are going to do when we are faced with challenges of marriage. Plz PAULA! REMEMBER THOSE WORDS( IM BACK). GOD LOVES YOU MORE THAN YOUR MINISTRY.
What I find sad and disturbing is he fact that the "real truth" is not being told by either Paula or Randy. When one can not tell themselves the truth...they can not experience heartfelt repentance. Denial in the face of the truth is destructive..especially when the persons are high profile people entrusted to represent God. Perhaps what needs to take place is both Paula and Randy should stop everything and step down. ..get healed and wait for God to lead them. The integrity of any type of leader is paramount in any situation. The Word has already judged them. What they choose to do after that is totally between them and God. In the meantime there are and were many lives attached to their ministry. These lives are both new, in between, and seasoned christians. Either way...it is distructive. Now some may debate and say.."Oh, they(Randy and Paula) are not God and the people should have been following God." This is a very validated statement, however, they are leaders who were trusted and respected by their congregation and people around the world. They really owe the people the real truth and after that..sit down somewhere and allow God to bring the healing.
Priority applies here, God First, Family Second and Ministry would be the last of all. Family is more important than ministry , I think ...can somebody help me.
"Married nearly 18 years, the couple blamed the two different directions their lives were going."
If you are husband and wife and the blame for your divorce is the different directions your lives are going, then you lives are not going in the direction God has for you. They are blaming the direction of their ministries. God would never have a husband and wife 's ministry take them in directions that would lead them to divorce. One or both are WAY off on their calling!
I think both White's are living with all the same baggage they have had all their lives. Both have been divorced before and obviously have not learned anything from it. This is all the lust of the flesh...they are looking to this life for fullfilment and are like a person drowning, they are grabbing for anything that seems like it will make them happy. Neither of them have probably ever had much true joy in their lives. As for their "ministries", I'm sure God has used them, he can use a donkey, this says a lot for God, not so much for them. But I doubt there was very much by way of a pure motive in either of them...they like to be the god of their lives and it shows.
There's no business like show business.
Oh yes, I forgot to mention that Paula White seemed to imply that her divorce, was "not just for her" - So, she thinks her divorce was FOR her. She said it was for her, and to help other people. That's really off base. I do not think that I misunderstood her intent in making these remarks. Please forgive me if I sound judgmental, but I just do not understand. I guess I am perplexed by all of this, because I used to listen to her and I even sent donations. So, I'm concerned about this issue. It would glorify God and help other people more, if she had a testimony about how God healed and blessed and restored her marriage. How does the fact that she got a divorce help people, unless we can understand why she got the divorce? God did not cause the divorce, so she could help other people. Her divorce might even be a stumbling block that will not help people at all. Somebody please enlighten us.
Thank you "cjs07office" - that sums it up perfectly, according to the Word of God. I heard Paula White speak on TBN, and she said that, "you can't put God in a box." In another interview she referred to her marriage as a "season" - "with a beginning and and end" - Could these statements be her attempts to justify her divorce?? If so, that could be the deception that you mention in your post.
We are NOT under the Law but under grace. So what did Jesus, (grace) say about divorce?
Matt 5:31 - 32 (NKJV) 31“Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except £sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.
Mark 10:2 - 9 (NKJV) 2The Pharisees came and asked Him, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?” testing Him. 3And He answered and said to them, “What did Moses command you?” 4They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce, and to dismiss her.” 5And Jesus answered and said to them, “Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. 6But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’£ 7‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 8and the two shall become one flesh’;£ so then they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
What does the New Testament (testament of grace) say.
1 Cor 7:10 - 11 (NKJV) 10Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. 11But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.
I am very concerned that when one in leadership justifies their actions which the Bible clearly states is wrong, many other Christians will do the same in their marriage. I had heard that the divorce rate among Christians was equal to non-Christians but until recently I did not believe it. How could Christians, who know what God has said on this issue, divorce without Biblical cause of infidelity or non-believing spouse?
It would seem we are taking a path that Israel took in justifying their sins and still claiming God's blessings. I do pray for her marriage but mainly that God will bring them out of spiritual deception. Anything that justifies what the Bible clearly says is wrong is deception.
You know, I am not a fan of divorce either, and even though the bible tells us that God hates divorce, He does provide us with a loophole so to speak. If there was infidelity involved, then a divorce can be granted for the injured party. Take me for instance. my husband has cheated on me multiple times, and I stayed hoping that thru prayer and counseling, he would change. But enough is enough. he does not want to change, and I don't want to catch a disease! My problem with Paula and Randy is, they both have said infidelity was not an issue. They are "going in different directions". How can that be a case for divorce? All couples grow during a marriage. If our supposed Christian leaders can not keep it together, then why would a sinner want to join our ranks. We are really starting to look ugly here people!
You know "kdog" that is a very good scripture 2 Cor 2:5-11. I've felt so thwarted and stiffled lately, that I just REALLY wanted to express how I feel about all this. I forgive Paula and Randy White. God bless them and help them. But, I still do not think I want to donate any money to their ministry. Thanks "kdog" for helping me see the light. I feel sorry for the Whites. If they are really sold out to God, they will recover.
I avoid organized religion like the plague. I use to be a missionary years ago untill I became absolutley disgusted and hurt at how quick you are to devour your own. I watched Ms. White for the first time today. I found her to be a breath of fresh air. I only logged on to learn more about her mission... and what do I find.......... beautiful people such as yourself devouring your own. Show some class and grace. You should be wishing her and her family healing right now.
Boy, this lady talks up a storm, doesn't she? Anyone, please let me know, how can she be a "life coach" when she can't even keep her own marriage together? In one of her interviews she said that her marriage was for a "season" with "a beginning and an end". Great, how many of these "seasons" is she going to have anyway?
Of course none of us want to judge. But, I do not have to believe a word she says. And, I DON'T believe a word she says. I can not receive from her as a minister or a teacher. I do not have to pray for her, because she has a whole church load of people to pray for her. Bishop Jakes can pray for her. But, I'm not going to stone her to death either. I have no idea what happened in her marriage, and it is none of my business. All I can say is ministers of the gospel are supposed to remain married and if they get a divorce they are supposed to remain single. Lord have mercy, but I get sick and tired of trying to be nice, when these creepy millionaire Christians pull these stunts. How dare them ask for tithes and offerings and live like that. We are all human and I forgive her and have compassion for her, but she ain't gettin any of my hard earned money. And, that's what I have to say. I'm really glad to get that off my chest, and now I will ask God to forgive me and have mercy on me.
We must remember that they are not our servants, therefore it is not up to us to judge. Instead, they are God's servants, He will judge them and hold them respondible for the talents he gave unto them and what they opted to do with them and how they used or misuse d them. But so will we ALL! God iis no respecter of persons and someday we will all be judged for every deed and every idle word that came out of our mouths. It is also true that to whom much is given, much is required, and remember, that the gifts and the calling og God are without repentance. We need to maintain an attitude of prayer for the Whites. I know it is human nature to want to get indignant and begin to criticize, but guard your words and your thoughts because with the same measuring stick that we measure others, we will be measured. We all have an opinion, but stop and think, it is really not our Spiritual nature, but our carnal nature that wants to do that, and we need to crucify our flesh daily so that we can be formed to the image of Christ. Yes, the Whites have to do the same, everbody does. God is Love, full of Forgiveness, Mercy and Grace (I need that daily). Having said that, we as Christians, should not frustate the Grace of God. He is also a Holy God, a Righteous Judge and all His judgements are made in Righteousness. We need to pray for the Whites and for the entire body of Christ. WE have become sickly because we have allowed ourselves to be decieved and we need to rise up and take our position as His chosen people. God help us all.
So many of you have made very thoughtful comments, and many seem to mirror each other. I too agree. It is time for accountability in the body of Christ. As another poster stated, God hates divorce, PERIOD but what is really bothersome, for me, is when divorce happens between two individuals who are supposed to be born again believers. I'm sorry but if a married couple are "truly" born again, divorce should NEVER be an option. My husband and I have been married for 30 years, do we have problems? You better believe it !! BUT it's these very problems, trials, however you want to lable it, that have made us even closer. We have survived so many things, financial set backs, problem children, health problems, you name it BUT we choose to persevere with Gods' help. My hubby's my best friend and yeah sometimes I want to do him some serious bodily harm BUT I don't ever forget what we have been through and God has been the glue that held us together. As far as I'm concerned too many Christians are spiritual wimps and have their priorites all wrong!! How can a person minister to the masses when he/she can't even minister to his/her own partner whom God has joined you? Let's pray that the White's will put aside their own desires/needs and ask God to show them what He wants them to do. I make no apologies, BUT I don't, for one second, think God is saying divorce.
What profit a man to gain the whole world and lose your own soul? Should those in ministry take some time to allow Father to restore our lives to what they should be? I will be praying for wisdom for the White's
Lord, this is so much on my mind and heart. Hear our cries, O Lord, and do not let them go through with this. No matter what they did or what happened, You can forgive and restore. They can forgive and get healed. Send healing to them and between them. Let them extend forgiveness to each other, hold no grudges. Move in a a mighty way, Lord. You are able! I know that You can not move against someone's will, Lord, so I pray they are WILLING to reconcile. Remove the hardness from their hearts. Let them be on their faces in repentance. Whatever happened, I pray that they are simply humbling themselves before You and praying for and seeking Your help. Move into this, Lord, and STOP every plan of the devil!!! Lord, may they listen to those who speak into their lives. Let Your Still Small Voice speak into their lives! I pray for mercy upon their souls. Save them from future mistakes and heartache and messes that they might cause by unwise decisions. Dear Lord, I feel this SO strongly! If they won't fight for their marriage, someone else HAS to! Enter the prayer warriors! Call Your people to pray and to fast. Let us be FAITHFUL in lifting this couple up to You for healing and restoration. Again, STOP every plan of the devil!!! I ask and pray for Your intervention in an awesome, undeniable way.
(Fasting and praying for this, and I urge others to join me. This is an international ministry between Without Walls Church International and Paula White Ministires, and this will have a huge impact on many. So don't say I should not pray extra for them just because they are "celebrities." Their lives impact many more than ours ever will. If God is calling you to pray, BE FAITHFUL. Let all who He has commissioned as prayer warriors for this marriage stand in the gap and at their post as long as they feel called to!)
I don’t get Randy and Paula’s church members applauding as Randy announced from the pulpit they are getting divorced and both going to continue in the ministry (from a video on YouTube.). This is a far cry from MalachI 2 which says “I hate divorce,” which says not to deal treacherously with the wife of your youth, which says it covers your garment in violence to divorce. This passage also says “You cover the alter with tears. . .” (yet divorce). If I can get Randy and Paula’s addresses, I want to send them these passages. I feel that from Ezekiel it is clear we must warn. Once we warn, the blood is no longer on our hands; we have done our part. Often, when I put The Word of God up to people, I get accused of judging. I believe two issues are being confused here. Telling people they are sinning (in the light of scripture) is not throwing stones. It is doing what the Matthew 18 passage says: confronting our brother/sister with their sin against us. When a rock is thrown into a pond, there is a ripple affect. What they do does affect others. How far will the ripples go, how many will be impacted? They need to think about this.
So, when the comments are made that we need to encourage or support them, I ask: Encourage or support them, how? I encourage and support them to be humble enough to step down from ministry until such a time as their marriage is healed and restored. If God hates divorce, how can they just go on as if nothing happened and God is happy about this? I really, really don’t get this. If they can’t minister to the ONE they chose (to marry), how can they expect to minister to the many? They did not make a public announcement of REPENTANCE. They simply announced that they are getting divorced and going on in ministry. . . .It is hard to restore in meekness, one who isn’t repentant. They aren’t even admitting any sin. I don’t think they are, anyway. They are just saying it’s a hardship, etc. No, it’s a SIN. Yes, a sin God can forgive. But two believers who follow Christ who seek forgiveness, only have one choice: reconciliation.
Anyway, I have spent far too much time trying to write this post, and not enough time praying. Why is it so easy to comment and give our opinion and so hard to pray (preaching to myself, as I claim to be a prayer warrior)? If I had spent as much time in comment as in prayer. . . .I am calling the body of Christ to pray, pray, pray for Randy and Paula. We need to do an old fashioned fast and pray. It is time to humble ourselves and pray and turn from our wicked ways!!!
First of all I am deeply saddened by the family crisis she is facing and have, and will continue to pray for her. However, I am also concerned about the embarrassment it has brought the to Kingdom of God that these things are being played out in public. Sure they are both human, but once you accept the calling into ministry, especially the office of Bishop or Pastor, there are certain requirements placed upon your life by God. If a person fails to meet the qualifications defined by the Apostle Paul in First Timothy and Titus for their office, they need to step down until things are corrected in their lives, lest they impart their own dysfunction to others. The first priority is always morality, then marriage, and then ministry! Even if they have to sell one of their $85,000 cars or $2,000,000 homes, or pass on that next planned cosmetic surgery, their marriages should come first! Paul and Randy need to take time away from the public spotlight of ministry and seek help and reconciliation.
Paula has been rumored to be having an affair with Bishop Rick Hawkins. True or not is not the point. The point is, there are problems that need to be addressed in the White's marriage before they continue in ministry. This is a total shame on the Body of Christ and they need help, not another ministry appointment! How can either one of them, ever again tell anyone else to "hang on," "don't give up," "work through it," "God will make a way" "believe for your unsaved spouse, " etc. if they don't do it themselves. (Just a thought!)
As far as I am concerned, while God surely can and does forgive, there are no grounds for divorce between two people who are truly Christians. Even if there is adultery, there should be repentance and forgiveness. If both partners are truly Christians, neither should be a problem! Difficult? Definitely! Possible? Certainly! However, they should go to their spiritual leadership, or covering if they one.
The Bible clearly states, "...mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them...For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple" (Romans 16:17-18). If we as the Body of Christ don't hold people in ministry accountable, we end up allowing homosexuals, pedophiles, those who commit adultery, liars, thieves and every other immoral lifestyle to go unchallenged and remain in ministry. Oh! That's what is currently going on! I apologize for suggesting that there be holiness and integrity in the lives of church leaders, after all, that may require them to practice what they preach! WOW WHAT A NOVAL IDEA!
While you are welcome to disagree, this is just my opinion, and I feel it would surely give more credibility to the Church if we followed the Word of God!
I recently jumped on the bandwagon in being critical of the White's dirvorce. It wasn't 24 hours later that I found my daily devotion taking me to 2 Cor 2:5-11. This is Paul speaking about a believer who had been ostrocized for his sin, "I am not overstating it when I say that the man who caused all the trouble hurt all of you more than he hurt me. 6 Most of you opposed him, and that was punishment enough. 7 Now, however, it is time to forgive and comfort him. Otherwise he may be overcome by discouragement. 8 So I urge you now to reaffirm your love for him. 9 I wrote to you as I did to test you and see if you would fully comply with my instructions. 10 When you forgive this man, I forgive him, too. And when I forgive whatever needs to be forgiven, I do so with Christ’s authority for your benefit, 11 so that Satan will not outsmart us. For we are familiar with his evil schemes". It seems we - not unlike the Corinthian church - are doing more harm than good by punishing the White's with our personal opinions. It know how harmful that feels.
I'm not a Bible thumper, but I am a follower of Christ who believes the Word of God to be our instruction manual for living. I prayed for forgiveness for my sarcasm toward the White's because as a chruch staff member and associate pastor (music and recovery), I have had to leave a church because of my own failings. My first impression was that If I had to pay a severe price for my shortcomings and sins, so should anyone else in ministry. Having met and worked with Paula in a couple ministry settings, I was personally disappointed and used this venue to have my two cents.
After pondering the situation more seriously, I realized that disciplining and criticizing was not my place. God is well capable of that. Furthermore, unless I'm in direct authority over a believer, restoration, loving and encouraging is my responsibility and my only responsibility. There's no way I can know the full details of the White's demise and that's even more reason for me to be encouraging and prayerful that they will do the right thing concerning their marriage, ministry and most importantly their relationship their Heavenly Father.
Therefore I make amends to those who read my earlier comments and to the White's.
God hates divorce. Period. What did Carman mean when he said Paula is on top of HER game anyway. The last time I checked, it IS supposed to be GOD's game. It's past time christian leaders became accountable for their actions. How can you preach 'Till death do us part' or be a model to other christians when you simply can't abide by Bible's simple principles......enough said.
You know as Christians we have to remember we are the light of the world. It is a terrible shame that the divorce rate is at the same percentage and sometimes higher within the church than the world. Everyone is talking about don't judge.. If you look that word up in the greek in the Gospels, it means to cast a FINAL judgement. Saying that Paula and Randy are wrong for divorcing is not biblical judgement rather it is seeing the fruit that their disobedience has produced and commenting on it. The Bible speaks about if someone is going to be a Bishop (overseer, leader), and can not rule (lead with integrity and without reproach) his house how can he rule the house of God. Come on guys, sooner or later as Christians we have to mature and win victories not just run (divorce) because of petty differences. Divorce in those cases are not victories, nor are they "attacks from the enemy", they are believers walking after their own flesh and desires instead of God's Spirit...which keep in mind the Holy Spirit always supports truth and the Word, NOT JUST OUR FEELINGS ON A MATTER. God bless
We are not hear to judge anyone. In fact we should be standing together with both of them at this current moment. However by saying that I would like to encourage that Pas. Randy and Pas. Paula should take a break from their ministry, so that the healing process can be administered by the Holy Spirit through some godly leadership who can bring back the spiritual covering over them. By doing this we are keeping the standard of God in our life. Once the healing process is done then come back to bless the body of Christ. Yes I agree "You know who you are and you know whose you are.", so do what is right acorrding to the word of God. Keeping you both in prayer.
I believe that there is a standard to live a life according to the word of God!!!
And that standard applies to all Christians even famous preachers!!!!
I have been married 13 years and have been through several trials and storms in my marriage. My husband has lied, cheated more than once, been physical with me and keept on getting fired from work, but I kept on forgiving him because I knew that my life was not perfect and I needed lots of forgivness myself and If I had not forgiven him my Father in heaven would not forgive me. Thats in the word!!! Thanks be to God that My husband and I did not give up on each other because now, we are counseling other couples on how to say commited no matter what they are going through!!! God who create the heavens and earth and HE has already fixed every problem if one would just wait on Him and alow it to be done. (Period) TILL DEATH DO US PART!!!
if randy takes 100% of the blame, why is he still in charge of the ministry? if a man can not handle his own family how then does he continue to lead the families of others?
how is it that we change or soften our doctrine whenever we or someone close to us experiences something unpleasant? and others defend it in the name of compassion? sounds like the world's philosphy of new tolerance "don't judge me brother" has completey taken over those who are under the influence of the world system. i guess it should be of no great suprise because the church is viewed as a business by many and the leaders are after the american dream which has no limits nor knows no bounderies. "just keep moving on to your success" no matter what the cost or human toll is. gee, did jesus teah that or .....maxwell. Last word - can anyone tell me what happened to that old fashion idea hardly mentioned anymore in the quest to reach your potential, that thing called sin and repentence? bobby
I am interested in why there is so much mud slinging going on. Was it not Jesus who said in John 8:7, (6-8 in Context)This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her”. And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
I will not cast a stone on any TV Preacher, for I am not without sin. Either the Bible is all True or it is all False. It is YOU that decides which way it goes. The Bible is not all Literal, it has Types and Shadows, Metaphors, Parables, etc. To take the Bible totally literal, you would have to cut your hands off and gouge your eyes out in order not to sin. Now is anyone actually going to do that? Jesus spoke a lot about money, power, hell, and love, along with a few other topics.
John 20:29 reads, Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. I haven’t seen Jesus, yet I believe that he was born of a virgin, in a stable in Bethlehem, at 12 Jesus was teaching the priests, and at 30-33, Jesus healed the sick, made the blind see, cast out demons, slept, ate, walked, talked and prayed over the people he healed, and especially the 12 He picked to carry His Message on. He was bloodily beaten, spit on, laughed at, ridiculed, then, they hung Him on a tree, where He shed His blood for humankind, died, three days later, he rose, took the keys from hell, and is LIVING at the RIGHT hand of God the Father. That is the MESSAGE THAT WE SHOULD BE TELLING!
1 John 4:20 tells me, If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? This is what people are doing when they gossip and laugh about what others are doing in the Name of Jesus. The Bible is clear that to stand for Jesus, we will be criticized, ridiculed, laughed at, attacked - verbally as well as physically, accused of false teachings, be spit at, talked about, lied about, and WE WILL SUFFER FOR OUR NAME’S SAKE, JESUS! I am ready, are you?
I am troubled because I believe that the Lord allows everyone to go through what ever it is to draw that person closer to God. Who is do we think we are to judge any person. Have any of you critics READ The Bible? Did Joshua criticize Moses to the people as they wondered in the wilderness all those years even after Moses had the 12 spies (which included him) go into the land that GOD had ALREADY given them & having them come back and report to the people that they could not defeat the giants they saw because they thought they were too big for them to defeat. NO! And after Moses died he still gave him honor saying, Moses the servant of the Lord is dead. Do not you remember what happen to Miriam & Aaron when they criticized Moses the servant of the Lord. Do not you know that God says, Touch not my anointed and do my prophet no harm. People please, whom in the name of the ONLY ONE do we think that we are that we can defy the word of the Lord. Please stop judging.... unless you want to be judged by God in the same regard. That's God's word not mine. Our problem with this is that our opinion should be that of what God says in his word. I pray for the Lord to have mercy on you and open your eyes because you really do not know what you are doing; to come against a prophet of God is to come against God. If God got a problem with the way any of his prophets are handling his business you can best believe HE knows exactly what to do about it. Besides, I'm am so very sure that there is something each of you critics have in your very own house that God would not be please with. Let us try to concentrate on what the Lord would have us to do about that instead of slandering his prophets...remember, with love & kindness have I drawn thee. And if you didn't know, that's God's too!!! Peace & blessings to your house. Amazed By His Grace, A wonderfully, marvelously made Kingdom Partner.
I always wonder how the so called leaders of Christian Television can continue to uphold the character and integrity of preachers who decide to sin, get a divorce, etc in the face of controversy with no explanation...How in the world can someone who "chooses" to divorce, without what appears to be biblical groounds, help other people "design their life." What is their message? Do what you want to do when you want to do it, regardless of who is involved and it effects....When is someone going to challenge these people and call their lifestyles what they are. For Carmen to make a statement that Paula White is at the top of her game is absurd and shows he is lacking in spiritual discerment. I do pray for the situation but that does not mean we forego what is right. I think Paul White owes the thousands of people who support her an explanation. She should be removed from every Christian televison station, but that would require integrity on the part of the leadership and we have seen that doesn't exist.
i just want to pray for Paula White and ask Jehova Jireh to provide for her( spiritually). this is a tough time in her life and we need to uphold her in the the faith. REMEMBER PEOPLE we are to help when our brothers and sisters are down and out. Dont let her position fool you, she is going through and need our prayers. Let Jehovah be the judge of her life and let us continue to uphold the brothers and sisters.
Im disturbed. Because it seems that all "Christians" have to do now is say "oh, well it didnt work out" and then we leave our spouses! This is an epidemic. After preaching "stay in there n matter what" the big shots can leave with no explanation, no nothing to the people! And God bless Carmen and everyone else but im sorry, i refuse to accept christian divorce and wave it away as though its not a big deal, IT IS a very big deal in Gods eyes..there are specifics in The Word relating to divorce and saying "I will not draw back" is just not good enough. Who are these people accoutable to? And is it happenstance that the church in Texas she frequents, the pastor AND his son also divorced their wives?? So, this is ok now in the body of Christ? GOD FORBID
Carman said it well, Paula's at the top of her GAME. Hey, can't let a marriage get in the way of your game. It seems the game must be treating Paula pretty good. After all the words hardly out and she'll stand to make a mint off the book about it already. It's disappointing to see a couple who are responsible for propagating the Gospel of Christ so caught in the work (GAME) of God that they've forgoten about the God of the work. Or at least in Paula and Carman's case - the GAME.
Carman said well, Paula's at the top of her GAME. Hey, let's not let a marriage get in the way of that regardless whether God hates divorce or not - can't mess with my GAME.
If divorce is of man and not of God, then how can two well known "Godly" people divorce? I read that this is the second divorce for both, so what kind of examples are they setting for christian much less sinner couples that are going through? That it's ok to divorce, you may find someone better? No matter the reason for their divorce, their is nothing that God cannot fix, so how are they now to counsel couples, when they are clearly proving the opposite?
All that I have to say is that Time will tell the story all these people that go to bed a blunder and wake a wonder I am leery of. God is a Holy God He does thing in Order, From the very beginning I did not care for Paula or Randy or Juanita or all these other False Prophets. I am so not surprised about all the things coming to light. And this is just the beginning God is not pleased with people saying "God said" and God did not say. I want to tell all these fake preachers "Repent the Kingdom at God is at hand"...Jesus is too soon to come back it's time to stop the ME.ME,ME It's all about God, what He wants to do. All this mess is going to come to a stop not by any man but by Almighty God..So I urge them to get saved forreal before it's too late.
It saddens me to hear of any divorce, we never know the plan for our lives. It's very easy for people on the outside to make judgements on the who's and what's of divorce. When Christians are in the spotlight we often think they have no personal problems or situation. It is quite the opposite. I do not condone divorce but I think it's best to learn from thier mistakes. I think Paula has done the best thing possible continue on the mission God placed in her heart, everything else will fall into place.
I'm sorry in my humble opinion two wrongs don't not make a right. Both seeking a deliberate divorce (sin) in the Name of Ministry. Oh well.. Dangerous when people follow there own version of the Gospel. Am I out of place? Did not Jesus say in essence, God hates Divorce? Oh ,that's the OT. And yeah. let's get into the human side of it all makes it justifiable.
He who is without sin let him cast the first stone I live in a glass house so I cannot cast a stone. Only God knows and He is the Great Judge
It's so easy to judge when you don't walk in the shoes and lives of these people. It always surprises me how Christians are the first to throw stones and we often wonder why people stray. I'm reading through these posts and I'm just bothered by how no one has just offered to pray for them regardless of their situation. It's not my place nor anyone's place here to judge or assess why they are going through divorce. That is not our cross to bear. Why can't we just pray that they find strength in the Lord.
Romans 9:21 says, "Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor"? It is time for those who walk in the faith to test the spirit, repent and serve the one and only true God, not mammon, or prosperity, or Bynum or White.
It is very difficult to accept that Paula and Randy have a Biblical reason for divorce without stating the reason for their intended divorce. The Bible does not teach that Christian cannot divorce. The Bible however teaches that divorce is not the perfect will of God. If one of the Pastors is guilty of adultery, this should be disclosed to the body of Christ so that the innocent pastor can continue in ministry without any shame. But if the two of them continue to keep quiet over the reason for their divorce, they are unwittingly allowing people to speculate the reasons for divorce. Some have speculated that Paula is too money-minded and loves to be a superstar and that Randy is more reserved and disciplined. Other people have suggested different reasons for the divorce. I hate to speculate. As a California family law attorney, I know that speculation is not generally accepted to prove a point. My position is that until the duo tell the whole world why they want a divorce, they should be "suspended" from ministry. Why should they continue to lead the people of God when they are not transparent? I am aware that Randy took 100 percent responsiblity for the failure of the marriage. That is not enough. If Randy cheated like some have suggested, Randy cannot continue to pastor a church wiithout "repentance" and rehabilitation for a period of time. I however disagree with the view that divorce should end their ministry. The view ignores the fact that we are under the dispensation of grace. Remember also that the gifts and calling of God are irrecoverable. God does not change his plans just because we mess up. God is a God of second, third and fourth chances. Having said that, Paula and Randy owe the body of Christ an unreserved apology for messing up for the BIble teaches that they must confess their sins to other Christians that they may be forgiven. I used to listen to Paula White a lot before the divorce was announced. I think that Paula White likes money a lot from the way she talks. I also know that some of her teachings are incorrect. She teaches that if people need a "miracle" from God, they should sow a seed. I wonder why she has not sown a seed to get a miracle from God that will save her marriage. I hope she will reevaluate her sermons now. God bless this couple for they are still our brother and sister in Christ.
I don't have much to add here except one passage that has been omitted. Those who are pastors or elders must be above reproach...the husband of one wife... manage their household well... (see 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1). This would disqualify both from ministry because of their divorce. Those with the wherewithal to read the Bible would know that this is a know brainer. We don't need to know the motives for their divorce. Only that it took place. They are no longer above reproach, they failed to manage their household well, and both should step down by their fruits we know them... You don't need a vision or a private detective... just God's word. No amount of seed sowing will (even $100 million) will restore them in the foreseeable future. The only grounds for divorce are repeated unrepentant adultery (Matt 19; abandonment by an unbeliever, Paul's epistle to the church at Corinth, 1 Cor. 7 if memory serves me well and acts of endangerment that violate the law and require intervention of the government (abuse, et al) for the king does not carry the sword for nothing (Romans 13). Any and all of the above would disqualify the offender, and divorcing for anything less disqualifies both.
Keith Crosby
Divorces are a direct result of sin, sinning, and sinful behavior. Divorce occurs in marriages long before either person files the paperwork. Divorce is supposed to be the solution to an irresolvable problem in the marriage. Is there a problem in any Christian’s life that the Lord cannot resolve? Is there any sin too great that the Lord cannot forgive?
God hates divorce, Malachi 2:16! God did not say adultery was grounds for a divorce. It is not the adultery, but the hardness of your heart that demands a divorce. Adultery can be forgiven, but a harden heart is too prideful to forgive or to hear from anyone, including God.
Marriage is a vowed relationship with the Lord. The only other vowed relationship anyone has with the Lord is their vow to accept Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior. Marriage vows come BEFORE anyone’s “Calling” into ministry. If your ministry is interfering with your marriage, then step down from ministry, immediately, and heal your marriage. It makes you wonder who are Christians following, the pastor, or Jesus Christ? My Bible says to have the mind of Christ, not the mind of the pastor.
The many members of the congregation may choose to stay with a pastor who is living in sin or openly committing sin(s). They may say it is out of love and forgiveness, but not really. It is out of pride and selfishness. A sinful pastor will continue to lead them astray, but it is by their personal choice to follow. Whose voice do you follow? If the pastor’s heart is not contrite and humble enough to step down, for a season of healing, then it is only a matter of time before they fall down and take many with them.
Ecclesiastes 5:4 states; do not make a vow to God and break it; do not make a vow to God and then say that it was a mistake (paraphrased). You, your spouse, and the Holy Spirit have formed a threefold cord. You now, must break your relationship with God before you can break you relationship with your spouse. Who wants to follow a pastor who is no longer in relationship with God?
God has never and He will never tell anyone to get a divorce or to marry someone else because you missed Him in your choice of a spouse. Stop lying about the Word of God. God hates divorce! God also hates lying! I don’t think that God makes any exceptions to His Laws for the rich and famous even if they still claim to be pastors of HIS church.
Pastor Leo Bogee
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I know nothing about this particular case, but from reading the above I cannot help but conclude that there has to be some connection between the huge increase in the Christian divorce rate and the huge emphasis in contemporary church culture on "MY life", "who I am", "ME ... ME ... ME ...". Large parts of the modern western church seem to have lapsed, without realising it, from a body that existed to serve the pleasure of God by putting what is right above what feels good, and into a society where God exists to serve our very individual happiness, fulfilment etc.
The sad thing that seems to happen when a high profile Christian marriage ends in divorce is that many struggling couples who looked up to them as role models say, "Well, if they can't make it, what hope is there for us," and they give up too. I would suggest that there needs to be concerted prayer for the marriages in Pastor White's church.
I received a vision from God in which Paula needs to sow $10,000,000 dollars into the RightGod Ministries. Paula has strayed and has entered the show business world of short tight skirts, stripper high heels, and bosom revealing blouses. For this, God has left her barren and incapable of maintaining a loving relationship with anybody except her banker. May the Holy Spirit lead Paula to sow a seed today for $10,000,000 and God will abundantly bless her with a family and some respectable clothes. Praise God, Amen, and Halleluia
Paula White is now trying to come off as the "victim". I don't buy anything she says. She now wants to lean on the word of God. Why didn't she do it before. I've been married for 35 years and we've had plenty of tough times. I got married when I was only 18 years old but we made it last because we love God and wanted to honor our vows. My only prayer is that the body of Christ will wake up and start worshipping God and not these weak examples we call leaders. Shame on you if you still believe anything either one of them says. Trust God and only believe Him because He'll always remain true. TBN won't rebuke these "superstar" christians because they need them for their praise-a-thons. God is not pleased with any of this but one thing I know for sure...this is only the beginning. As for Ms. Bynum and her situation, the marriage was failed from the beginning because he was another woman's husband. Let's not forget that this is marriage number two for ALL these "leaders". God gives His instructions on divorce and to my knowledge, nobody fell into anyone of His catergories. I will be supporting my local church more than ever because I know those who are "laboring among" me.
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AMEN!. Many members of the blog are INCORRECTLY lumping the White's and the Bynum's situations together (in response to each story) and their situations are as different as night and day!
There but for the grace of God, goes you or I. Let's not be throwing stones here, as we all have our own sins to deal with. Why do so many people look to the TV evangelists and not to the Word of God? Why do we put pastors up on some kind of pedastal, and when they fall we cry foul! They are human just like you and I and can/and do stumble and fall.
The one we look to is Jesus Christ, He's the only one that I know is perfect. When I see all this stuff on TV about various "Christians" and their sin being displayed out there, I wonder how any of us would like ours displayed like that. We all have to stand at the judgement seat of Christ one day. We are to be praying for those over us, not condemning them.
When I see these things, the Lord tells me, this is an opportunity to pray, to look at the fruit of their lives. Are you just letting anyone teach you, and lead you, are you seeking the Lord's direction for the church that you are attending. Or do you just accept what is said and never open the Word of God for yourself. I used to do just that. Well, today, I'm very much in the Word and I want to know what Jesus is saying, and if a man/woman of God is really bringing me the Truth and not some watered down, feel good, word that does not change my life.
My prayers go up to God for the Whites and all those who are in leadership roles, (whether God placed or self placed) because God holds them to a higher standard.
May the Bride of Christ keep her eyes on her Bridegroom (not all those who say Lord, Lord are actually with Jesus), but that is His business. Mine is to make sure that I am in a church that preaches Christ, lives and breathes His Word and follows after Him, not after health and wealth and treasures on this earth. Remember, we are in this world, but not of this world. We are heading home, and don't get comfy here brethren! As you see THE DAY approaching, encourage one another with these words! HE IS COMING! Look at the days we live in and Prepare Ye The Way of The Lord! For His Glory
13"Let no one say when he is tempted, I am tempted
by God; for God cannot be tempted by evil,
nor does He Himself tempt anyone.
14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away
by his own desires and enticed.
15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin;
and when it is full-grown, brings forth death.”
James 1:12-15
Someone asked me what I thought was the prevailing problem in the Church today. I did not have to think very long about that answer. The prevailing problem in the Church today is Sin. Yes, sin which is not repented, sin which is tolerated, sin which is not exposed, and sin which is ignored. Because of all of the exposure of sin by the news media, television programming, on our jobs, in our neighborhoods, and even in our personal lives, we have become numb to the seriousness of sin. Of course, it is not called sin, but just a more understanding society.
The acceptance of sin has left nothing sacred in our lives. Even children’s books, movies, and cartoons have far too many sexual overtones, as well as homosexual overtones (“A Sharks Tale” movie). Exposing society to a constant barrage of sinful acts and behavior is no accident. The Bible warned us that this day and time was coming. It is often called the End Times Prophecy.
In the Gospel of Matthew 25:1-13, we are warned to keep the anointed “oil” of our righteous in Christ Jesus with us at all times. I am talking about “us” as individuals. We cannot ride on the coattails of our pastors, other family members, or other brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus. We cannot act like a Christian on Sunday and live like “hell” the rest of the week. If you do, you are setting yourself up for a fatal fall. Your Sunday “sainthood” cannot stop you from being a weekday demon. It takes more than that. It takes a decision to live for Jesus and daily obedience to His Word in order to make it in this society.
Remember, the world is watching you. Is your Christianity all that it is supposed to be or is it a compromise? Are you embarrassed to live as a Christian? If so, then I must ask you, are you really a Christian? If you are a Christian, then you cannot continue to live the way you did before you gave your life to Jesus. You cannot be a double minded person and expect anything from the Lord.
"Wow to you who call evil good and good evil" Isaiah 5:20
Pastor Leo Bogee
www.wclandtm.com
We must realize that in order to create a more perverse and disobedient society, we must start with the destruction of a strong family unit. The family structure is what God has created to symbolize his kingdom and love for us. However, the enemy has been and is continuing to attack the family unit. The people of God thought the only thing we had to war against are homosexuals wanting to be deemed as a family, but now the devil has become more clever. We KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that homosexuality is wrong, but the issue of divorce has many gray areas. I do know that God DOES NOT like divorce, yet permits it because of our own flesh. I, personally, would rather suffer for Christ sake than to live the 'high life' according to the world's standards. And worldy people divorce at the drop of a hat. Christian people should do the opposite and show others how to stay committed during hard times.
I must admit, it is easier said than done. As a woman who was ready to divorce her husband, I made the choice to honor God and NOT be a stumbling block for others. (And I'm not even a leader.) I sought WISE and GODLY counsel that instructed me to read my word and pray and as a woman, to also be silent. As women, our words can greatly affect the state of our husbands and homes. I did not want to be the silly woman in Proverbs who tears her house down, but instead want to be like the woman in Proverbs 31.
Whether we think our reasons are justifiable or not, divorce has devastating and long lasting effects. There is so much to learn from both White and Bynum divorces. I just hope there are those who see this as a very clever attack by Satan to destroy the family structure. What better way for the enemy to desensitize the act of divorce than by having two well-known televangelists condone it. That way, if it's ok for the leaders, it will be ok to thousands of followers.
An extremely sad situation.
That's absolutely right SeanS!
God will never lead a person or tell a person to break His own word. Theologians check me out on this. That God never calls something a sin that does not involve a choice. Marriage is not only a contract between a man and a women; it is a contract between both of them and God. God is the one who will enforce it. The bible says that divorce actually makes a society violent and rebellious. I am not surprised that some in crowd applauded her rebellion, because now they found a person on earth who they feel will justify their own rebellion against God in committing divorce and run buck wild with anyone they choose. The very fact that motivational self-help "draws back" on self-will instead of obedience to God’s WILL eventually bears its own fruit in due time. All they have to say is "I will my own will."
So Adam in the Garden of Eden says to himself. "That's right Adam take the fruit from the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, after all, Eve gave it to you. And Eve was created to be your helpmeet. So what ever she says must be the will of God, right? (As if she didn't have a choice.) Well if I do take this fruit and I am judged for it, I WILL just blame God for it for giving me this woman. I WILL have an excuse to blame God for any trouble I face in life. After all when God makes a promise I demand that He keeps them, but if he commands me I should be free to say I WILL have MY OWN WILL." And starting from that attitude, Adam went down to the lowest altitude and became no different than a member of the animal kingdom as many are today who are devoid of a personal relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
If we are ever going to make a difference in this world, we must live the difference by sanctifying Christ as Lord within our heart. Only then from out of the abundance of our heart will own mouth speak and will our life demonstrate that we belong to Him and not to ourselves. We have no one to blame for our sin but ourselves. If we have announced to the world that Jesus Christ is our Lord then we better demonstrate it by own lifestyle that HE IS THE BOSS and Lord (OWNER of our life).
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"Married nearly 18 years, the couple blamed the two different directions their lives were going."
This is the quote from the white's. Yes God forgives Sin, but this is a sin, that is directly against God Himself. They're doing what they want with no care about what the Word of God say. What kind of example this is giving to a lost world that don't know Our Lord Jesus Christ. THEY BOTH NEED TO STOP AND REPENT OF THIS GREAT WICKNESS AT ONCE. THIS IS BRING MUCH SHAME ON THE NAME OF OUR LORD, AND HIS CHURCH. Will someone go to them and command them both to stop and repent. The world is watching and "saying man those christian are no better than us". SHAME, SHAME ON THE NAME OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.
The PreacherAz
Flat out perversion of the Word of God.
A quote:
"Because when you know who you are and whose you are, I believe it gives you that inner fortitude and that strength to face whatever life situation you may have to go through," said White on the show.
"inner fortitude"? Could that be the Holy Spirit and and faith in Jesus Christ?
"When I don't understand life, I'm not going to draw back. I have decided to do one thing even my mind doesn't comprehend it – draw nigh," she said.
Jeremiah 17: 9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”
Psalms 119:105&106 “thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. I have sworn, and I will perform it, that I will keep thy righteous judgments.'
"I believe when people can find out who they are, then you can be equipped to handle life's situations."
"White talks about discovering "who you are in Christ."
Hmmm, apparently she still hasn't found out who she is IN Christ because Christ would have no part of this. Billy Graham and Ruth Graham weren't even the same denomination. Mr. Graham said this:
“Ruth was my life partner, and we were called by God as a team,” Billy Graham said in a statement. “No one else could have borne the load that she carried. She was a vital and integral part of our ministry, and my work through the years would have been impossible without her encouragement and support." They got it.
Her brand new book is : You're All That!: Understand God's Design for Your Life
I think she needs to through that in the trash can and pick the only book that matters and that is the Word of God. I think it is all pretty much laid out in there.
Randy White is also lost.
"Randy White, who took "100 percent responsibility" for the split, will continue to lead Without Walls as senior pastor."
So basically the Word of God is less important than his paycheck? This is what happens when you don't have any accountability in ministry and people in leadership with no spiritual integrity. Paula White basically states that God made her do it and that its so that she can relate to divorcees. Wouldn't and hasn't God brought divorcees out of the bondage that lead to that an gave them salvation. It is like Billy Graham saying that he became a drug addict so he can relate to drug addicts?
"Still, with her divorce taking place in the public eye, White said, "Everything God brings me through ... I promise Him, I will hold my hand out to someone else and allow myself to say 'He lifted me through this, He'll life you through this.'
"That's what I think it's about. It wasn't simply for me."
Unfortunate & Sinful. I hope they don't drag anybody into the pit because of this.
As far as Juanita Bynum. She is justified. No one should hit a women regardless of the argument. She has every right to separate herself for her own safety and her life. Convenience would be to stay because of familiarity.
Each individual Christian ought to be obedient to God’s direction for their life and not concerned about what other people think. Thus, it does not matter what anyone thinks about what Paula or Randy White should do; they should continue in ministry as God directs them. We should not be critical of their decision for getting a divorce for we do not know all the details of their situation. Rather, we should pray for them. God is certainly able to bring about healing and reconciliation in their lives.
Paula says...
"I often say 'I didn't write the script, but I'm learning to live it out with the best of my ability for the honor of God, with dignity, with grace, with favor, embracing His word."
What kind of excuse is that? She made choices and those choices led to this event happening in her life. When God writes the script it doesn't include divorce - that is man's (and womans!) choice.
I've been divorced and it's an awful thing to happen - especially when you believe the Word of God and know that it is not what God intended. I felt so much guilt and shame - even for the numerous things which I had no control over - so how she can so arrogantly speak of her situation is beyond me.
I used to like Carman too.
I expected the TBN parade after this story broke...and I anticiapte that Bynum will be on the same parade soon (if Iit already has not happened. They will be protected and promoted on TBN but not held accountable. Such a precedent was set years back. Televangelists are as bad as politicians...get the right spin going and everything works out. Sadly, White and Bynum will go on to more fame and fortune I suspect. For the record, I skip TBN and watch GodTV.
Paula says she is not going to draw back, but she should step down. Both she and Carmen should be ashamed of themselves. What doctrine or scripture are they talking about? God forgives "when" we repent, 1 John 1:9, but you have to repent first. No Christian would withhold forgiveness for Paula and Randy, but their arrogance and prideful flaunting of their sin is too much. Divorce is a SIN! Adultery is a sin!
If you say you know who you are in God, then please explain who that is? People know you by what you say, but they define you by what you do. What you are doing is sinful, at least by the Word of God, if that means anything or makes a difference.
If you have sinned in public, repent in public, so that the Body of Christ is not deceived. Take a lesson from a true man of God, Ted Haggard. He sinned in public and repented in public and stepped down, for a season, so that the Lord can restore him. Does Carmen's endorsement validate their ungodly behavior? Certainly not! No one expects a Christian to be perfect. However, when we make a mistake and openly sin, admit it, repent, and let God restore you back into leadership.
The Bible, you know the Word of God, says in Matthew 18:15-20, (paraphrased) to go to your brother or sister and tell them they have sinned; and if they receive it and repent, praise the Lord; if they do not, then go back with 1 or 2 witnesses and tell them again, if they do not receive you, then go to the church; if they refuse to listen to the church (church leadership) "let them be to you like a heathen and a tax collector." Yes, treat them like an unsaved person. You still love them and you want them back in the church, but you certainly do not want them to be your LEADERS!
"For the love of money is A root of all kinds of EVIL, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows" 1 Timothy 6:10. I guess this scripture is meaningless also. “Wow to those who call evil good, and good evil…” Isaiah 5:20. How about this one, is it meaningless too? Apparently, the Word of God means nothing because of their vaulted positions and lifestyles of the rich and famous. Is their notoriety too great to give up, even for the Word of God?
Paula, Randy, and Bishop ( ), you are all walking in the footsteps of King Saul. The anointing of God has been removed, but you will not yield the throne. You are now on a course of destruction and you will take many others with you (the 85 priest of Doeg, Jonathan, and many disillusioned followers in he case of King Saul), but in their case, many thousands of “their” followers and church leaders that continue to prop them up. “When desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth DEATH” James 1:15.
May God have mercy on your souls.
Pastor Leo
www.wclandtm.com
Of all people I would think would defend Paula and Randy White for getting a divorce where infidelity is not involved, was a bit shocking to say the least. RBB has a point where Paula's selfish declarations and that shouldn't be mistaken as judgement simply on our own. Her's and His fruits are clearly evident on their own. Amy Grant talked about grace alot in helping her through her marriage, when it was quite evident that during her marriage to her former husband , that emotionally she was having an affair with Vince Gill, a man not her husband.
As the last days draw even closer, even so called Christians I believe, will refer to those who hear object to this type of thinking and doctrine as cults. It's time to prepare people because the persecutions have yet to show their face fully.
All i have to say is what kind of message are we teaching our children the leaders of tomorrow?? Theres only one reason why you can Divorce according to the WORD!! You can't change the WORD you either live by it or you don't!!!
As a co-pastor with my husband of 36 years, I get really concerned about "his ministry", "her ministry" directions. We both minister in our indvidual ways but we are a team, called together. We complete one another and are not to compete with each other. I have seen more marriages end up like this because they both go their own way in ministry. It's a trick of the the devil to devide and conquer, causing the annointing and the power of two to be greatly effected. How sad the Whites took the bate. Fame and size of a ministry does not determine sucsess, it's staying faithful to what God has said to you and about your ministry that gets the "well done, thou good and faithful....". 1Tim.3:1-7 says God's order for ministry is; God,marriage,family,then ministry. If it's not kept in that order it won't work. I am really sadden by not only the Whites but by hundreds of other ministry marriages failing because this idea of fame is sucsess. There is enough preasures in marriage alone much less topping it with ministry. Ministers, lets stay focused on Jesus, serve our families then serve God's people from the strength of our first two priorities.
Wasn't marriage supposed to symbolize the union that Christ has with His church? What kind of message are the White's sending to their congregation? They are supposed to be shepherds to their flock and they are teaching that it is 'okay' to divorce if your lives are going in different paths.
I see no sign of conviction of the Holy Spirit, no repentance, no sign of being soundly saved. If I were a member of their church, I'd think twice about remaining there with them in the lead.
Elsalvador,
If I, as a Pastor, were to fail to keep my marriage together, I would immediately resign. I would publically declare that I had failed and needed restoration. I would make it clear that this is not what Jesus had in mind for NT Church leadership. I would not continue in public ministry until someone I was accountable to said so, if ever again.
Believe me, I know that life is gray and not black and white. We all make mistakes and we are not perfect. I am merciful and compassionate. The issue here is Leadership and representation of the Kingdom. What about marriage? Do we proclaim to the church and the world that all of a sudden we don't think that the Word of Christ is relevant?
I say this is a manifestation of the spirit of the world being tolerated in the church. This hollywood Christianity is taking a course that I believe is not just carnal but sinful. God's power to live right and be happily married is real! If our leadership can't reflect that and even manifests itself as gossip page fodder we are all in need of sackcloth and ashes big time.
Jesse
jesserolandministries.tripod.com
I strongly suggest that Paula White and Carman both ask the gracious Pastor Jack Hayford, who is, unofficially, the most respected leader of the pentecostal/charismatic/Spirit-fullness movement, what he thinks about this situation. I think they both know what he would say, because he's said it, and said it graciously, many, many times before....Yes, forgiveness is immediately granted. Leadership is not! I'll say it again for clarity. Forgivessness if immediately granted. Leadership is not!
Pastor Jack has unofficially been acknowledged by Paul Crouch, himself, as Paul and Jan's pastor.
I would say to Carman regarding this. Brother, I think you need "A little bit more conviction" (the name of one of his songs) is expected from you regarding this matter and matters like this.
This principle regarding forgiveness and leadership, etc. really is NOT rocket science. This is a blocking and tackling, basic Christian issue that we (all of us, including Christian celebrities) all need to "get", do, and teach......That once again, Yes, there is always forgiveness, even immediately. But no, there is NOT immediate restoration to ministry leadership.
One Paula White and Carman are modeling before God's flock (nationally, even globally), is error in BOTH doctrine and practice. They are accountable to God regarding modeling and teaching waywardness as "leaders" in the body of Christ. Jack Hayford is so gracious that he is unlikely to confront them publicly regarding this. I'm hopeful that many leaders have already privately confronted Paula (and perhaps Carman, to a lesser extent) regarding this matter. I hope and pray that if she (and he, to a lesser degree) don't respond biblically (step down from ministry, to be restored, healed, etc. for a significant season....years, not months) that Christian leaders would then appropriately confront them publicly (because there is no mutually agreed upon plurality of elders, or other council, or body of leaders to submit these celebrity cases to. I do know of one gracious/biblcal body of Chrisian leaders who can and would function in cases like these, but if there is not the consent of the body of Christ, such a supra-TV ministry-level body unfortunately becomes irrelevant.
Enough for now....
Immediate forgiveness/repentance, absolutely! Immediate ministry leadership restoration, absolutely not! It's a no brainer and all Christians need to get this. If you don't understand it, send an e-mail to Jack Hayford at www.jackhayford.com and ask him or his staff and they'll explain it to you much more graciously than I have, and the biblical, pastoral, and "protection of the flock" reasons better than I can.
Sincerely and with deep concern,
Jim Fox
Chesapeake, VA
I am all for extending grace towards someone who falls or fails in order to bring them back to repentance and to a whole & fulfilling life. As for the unrepentant who continue to teach & lead. 1 Peter 5:5 says, "God is opposed to the proud but gives grace to the humble." Shame on the Whites for thinking they can minister out of an empty well. Shame on her congregation who listens to her. Shame on the greed of TBN for having her continue to speak and raise money for them.
Paula needs to recognize that what she has done is a sin,plain and simple.She must not present this as just another trial for God to bring her through.She needs to repent and seek Gods true will for her life.And she needs to step down from any christian leadership positions she may hold while she continues to put her will above the Fathers.
When we make our wedding vows before God we are not making a covenant with our pending spouse, but a covenant with God. If we divorse for reasons other then adultry or physical abuse then we become covenant breakers. Marrage is not easy, but all things are possible with Christ who strenghens us. We MUST get back to the Word of God and do a self inventory, are we lining up with the Word of God . Allow God's Word to be the judge. God Bless.
it shows me that everybody has issues in their lives and that NO ONE IS IMMUNED FROM THEM. Of course you that critize just cause you feel like it are wrong and ONLY GOD can take care of His own. Judgement does being in the House of God, do you have your HOUSE cleaned up Mr. Jesse?
What a lot of rhetorical nonsense! At least half what she says is simply unintelligible and all of it is about "me, me, me". It gives a very clear example of the kind of human centered, God ignoring, drivel that is passing for Christianity these days.
Judgment begins at the House of God. We better start requiring these people to live right. I say we all stop watching these "Christian" TV networks and read the Word for ourselves.
Jesse
jesserolandministries.tripod.com