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Ministries|Fri, Sep. 14 2007 01:51 PM EDT

Paula White: I'm Not Going to Draw Back

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

Loud applause greeted famed life coach and female televangelist Paula White at her first public interview since the announcement of her divorce.

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    Famed life coach and female televangelist Paula White appears on a show hosted by contemporary Christian music artist Carman that aired Wednesday, Sept. 12, 2007, in this image made from television.

White appeared on the Trinity Broadcasting Network this week as both a guest and preacher, touching on the highly public divorce she's going through while encouraging others not to be swayed by life's trials.

"I embrace the concept that I would not let my trial be wasted in life," said White on a show hosted by contemporary Christian music artist Carman that aired Wednesday and Thursday. "I often say 'I didn't write the script, but I'm learning to live it out with the best of my ability for the honor of God, with dignity, with grace, with favor, embracing His word."

Paula and Randy White, co-founders and former co-pastors of Without Walls International in Tampa, Fla. – one of the fastest growing churches in the nation – announced their decision to split at a Thursday evening service late last month. Married nearly 18 years, the couple blamed the two different directions their lives were going. Both have been divorced before.

Quoting what Jan Crouch, co-founder of TBN, had once told her, Paula White said, "You know who you are and you know whose you are."

"I say this for Randy ... my former husband," she continued. "And Randy is a man of God. No one sets their life out and says, 'Boy, this is what I think I'm going to go through.' And people look at things as failure, why didn't this work. But I see 18 years of the rock that I was healed from and I'm grateful for the seasons in my life because I wouldn't be who I am without all the people that God has used to help me, to develop me, to cultivate me.

"Some of the greatest development in the men and women of God ... were those in adverse situation, those in opposition," White added. "But it pulled out because you had that decision. You can either gravitate and put your hand to the plow and say, 'Okay, God, I don't get this one; I don't even like this one. But still what do You have to say to me? I will not be moved.'"

White is releasing a new book in October that she says contains contents from her personal journals and that it exposes "the inner most of my being." In You're All That!: Understand God's Design for Your Life, White talks about discovering "who you are in Christ."

"Because when you know who you are and whose you are, I believe it gives you that inner fortitude and that strength to face whatever life situation you may have to go through," said White on the show.

"When I don't understand life, I'm not going to draw back. I have decided to do one thing even my mind doesn't comprehend it – draw nigh," she said.

"I believe when people can find out who they are, then you can be equipped to handle life's situations."

News of the trouble in the Whites' marriage was first picked up by The Tampa Tribune in May. The two were rarely seen preaching together anymore as Paula's own ministry works were keeping her busy and growing her renown while Randy was pursuing another church start in Malibu, Calif.

Criticism broke out from former Without Walls staff who said the Whites have shifted their focus to money and fame. Paula White earlier said she knows followers will feel disappointed by the announcement given that evangelical Christians hold marriage as a sacred institution.

Randy White, who took "100 percent responsibility" for the split, will continue to lead Without Walls as senior pastor.

Aware of the critics, Christian artist Carman said people who don't have the "wherewithal" to assess the situation should not judge or "open that person up to look," as he stated it. He told Paula White that she is at the top of her game right now.

Still, with her divorce taking place in the public eye, White said, "Everything God brings me through ... I promise Him, I will hold my hand out to someone else and allow myself to say 'He lifted me through this, He'll life you through this.'

"That's what I think it's about. It wasn't simply for me."

Preaching to the television audience, White said, "Life events will not define who you are. God says who you are. You are somebody."

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  • Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:15 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 2

    She is so full of it.

  • Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:02 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Romans 1:18 - 2:16

  • Mon May 05, 2008 9:29 pm Agree: 11   Disagree: 0

    Carmen told Paula she was at the top of game, i thought that was terrible thing to say. At least she is at the bottom and needs to start over again, she and Randy need to step down and be restored. You dont get hit by a mack truck (divorce) and then get up and act like everything is ok and that your on the top of your game and yes according the word Marriage is sacred. After 2 failed marriages i think its time that the body questions the heads spiritual mental state and motives.

  • Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:05 am Agree: 8   Disagree: 1

    I would just like to say this incident with Paula and Randy white has rocked me to the core. I do not get what is happening, this incident is really damaging to US, THE BODY OF CHRIST, were is our witness. We have to pray for Paula and Randy white and other men & women of God we know. This is a full frontal attack straight from the pit of hell. We have to go back to our foundations as christians and truely, honestly check our motivations for doing what we do. Do we really love Jesus? Are we really living SEPERATE lives from the world? Do we really have THE FEAR OF THE LORD? We must answer this question TRUTHFULLY and honestly to know were we really stand. People of God. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH we have to know WHAT we ARE DOING. May GOD have MERCY ON US.

  • Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:36 pm Agree: 14   Disagree: 6

    Its always the guilty ones who want to hide behind the "whoever is without sin cast the first stone" scripture. Yes, it is true that we should not judge others but we have to be held accountable for our actions. There is a differerence between judging someone and holding them responsible for the foolish choices that they make. The bible tells us that we should help each other when we sin. God still loves Randy and Paula but he is also very angry with them because they have lied, cheated, stole, been unfaithful, etc. They have shown no signs of repentence. I pity the foolsih people who are excusing them and continuing to follow their teachings. If you read the scriptures for yourselves then you will see that alot of what Paula and Randy teach do not line up with the word of God. So pray that God touches their hearts and they repent. They need to be held responsible for their actions. So stop drinking the "kool aid" and open your eyes to the hypocrisy going on! Don't excuse it ! Say something! Go to www.tboforums.com and go to the faith and religion section and learn the truth about Randy and Paula White. The things that are on there have already come to pass. The truth will set you free! Stop excusing sin!

  • Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:36 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 4

    Let him without sin, CAST the first STONE !

  • Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:20 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 8

    I ADMIRE PAULA AND RANDY VERY MUCH. THEIR DIVORCE THOUGH NOBODY WISHED FOR IT WAS CONDUCTED IN A VERY SANE WAY. IT SHOULD BE AN EXAMPLE TO THE MEN WHO INSTEAD OF LEAVING THE WOMEN THEY DON'T WANT TRY TO DESTROY THEM WITH CURSES AND ALL FORMS OF THINGS.

  • Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:39 am Agree: 15   Disagree: 2

    Both her and Randy need to sit on the pew. Not behind the pulpit.

  • Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:34 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 3

    Ok We are to be Spirit Walkers Believers walking after Messiah Y'SHUA, If a Brother or sister Falls we who are spiritual are to pray and allow the Spirit to do His work. we are not to throw stone or gossip unless we to may fall. Paula is a Woman of God , she is Gods annointed, So be careful of how and what you say and do.And May God Move in both of their Lives according to His Will.

  • Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:30 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 2

    For those who are saying that Paula and Randy are only human, after all....and that they can still be used of God.... you are correct in both statements. HOWEVER, King David ADMITTED his sin. What is bothersome to me is that Paula particularly acts as if GOD SENT THIS into her life to make her ministry stronger. Also, she has taken absolutely NO TIME OFF to heal. (See the headline of this article!) She and Randy have submitted to sin in their lives, and yet they choose to ignore that fact and simply try to smooth it over and act as if this was pre-ordained for their lives by God. They need to humble themselves and admit their sins. Only then can they heal and be truly used of God again.

  • Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:22 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 0

    Using King David as a example. how about 1 cor 7. of course we all have faults so does that mean i should do whatever i want. No. i should be held accountable. face it when your in a certain position your responsibility increases as well as your level of accountablility. This isn't a mistake. mispelling a wod is a mistake. divorce is a process it dont just happen. bottom line its a choice regardless on how you look at it. and this just happened and there's no time of reflection? hmmmm. just book writting and interviews huh.

  • Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:30 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 6

    I had the opportunity to view Paula White on LARRY KING, She couldn't even answer most of the questions he threw at her regarding pastors living a lavish lifestyle. She sounded very dumb-founded...and she's a life coach?????.wake up people !!!!!...take your money and run
    the viper are coming!!!!!!!1

  • Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:26 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 15

    I hope the IRS audits Paula (botox White , Jaunita Bynum , Joyce Meyer, Creflo Dollar and a host of other snakes in the pulpit. I tHESE PEOPLE ARE EXTREMELY FAKE !!, I will be so glad when the light is shed on all of these parasites who have misused and abused God's people's seeds that have been sown. I pray to God that a new law will be passed in terms of tax write offs for private planes ect . These people are riduculous and should be jailed.

  • Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:45 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    OMG--two more Christian leaders announce that they are (gasp!) human. And so they go, along with Ted Haggard and gospel singer Sandy Patti. Interesting how things change when they affect you personally (oh, and let's not for get former pro-life first lady Nancy Reagan's position on stem cell research).

  • Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:04 pm Agree: 25   Disagree: 3

    Wow, ok so I found this late. But seriously people go read your Bibles. No one can go through life and not sin, or screw up (That's why Jesus dies for us). But that does not mean that God can't use them.

    Look at one of the most influential men in the Bible King DAVID!! He was a "peeping tom", slept with a married woman and got her pregnant and then MURDERED her husband to cover it all up. Hmmm lets see then what does God call him? "A man after God's own heart" AFTER ALL OF THAT! If God can use him STILL then why can't he use Paula? Right or wrong, don't judge! And if you have to say, "I'm not judging, BUT..." then you are. God can use anyone you just have to be willing. We need to stick to our own faults and make sure we're living above the law and do the right thing and lift Paula up in prayer, clearly she's going through some major poo on her own with out our way ward words. Remember that you have the power of life and death in your toungue! Speak her some life!!!

  • Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:16 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 2

    No matter what responsibility the Father has given to us we must first remember that we are first Christians. I AM NOT JUDGING BUT THE BIBLE SAYS THOUGH ALL THINGS ARE LAWFUL NOT ARE EXPEDIENT. THERE ARE SOME SACRIFICES AND DECISIONS WE MAKE FOR THE SAKE OF THOSE WE ARE LEADING. I THINK THAT RANDY AND PAULA WHITE SHOULD THIK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THEY HAVE WOUNDED BY THEIR ACTIONS. THATS WHAT THE MASTER WILL ASK THEM

  • Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:25 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 3

    Go to this web address and read the article. It's from May 2007.
    http://www.rickross.com/reference/wwic/wwic4.html
    They should change the name of the church to Prophets for Profit.

  • Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:07 pm Agree: 18   Disagree: 2

    Dear Jesus,
    I pray for Paula and her husband Randy knowing that You began a good work in them and will carry it to completion until the day of Christ Jesus. I pray that they would be still enough to hear Your voice. I pray that they would lean not on their own understanding but in all things acknowledge You, knowing You will make their paths straight. You desire our whole hearts, our obedience and I pray they will follow YOU ALONE! Protect them from the enemy and his evil devices. I pray Paula and Randy will allow YOU to bring unity to their marriage and to their church family. Praise YOU JESUS! Nothing is impossible with YOU!
    AMEN

  • Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:02 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 5

    I know there is grace, like peace, that passes all human understanding. The one thing (next to Christs' redeeming sacrifice) that I am most thankful for in my life, is the grace of divorce. No human being, in 23 years of walking with Christ, has so ministered truth, grace, love and prophetic utterances as Paula White has spoken into my life. Gossip as you will, this woman is a propehtess of the most high God, and you might be careful about abusing one so mightily used by God!

  • Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:32 pm Agree: 12   Disagree: 3

    God does not give couples a separate calling. He is a God of unity. My son and his ex-wife have just gone through something like this (they are not well-known) and he insists he is right and God is OK with what he has done. He is remarried now and there is a strain between us because I have told him he is scripturally wrong. So are Paula and her husband, and I don't know what Bible they are reading that makes it OK for them.

  • Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:23 am Agree: 27   Disagree: 0

    It is my opinion in matters like these, when a member of the ministry has shown a serious failure in their lives, that they should draw back for a season to HEAL and to be reconciled to God's will for their lives. I can say with assurance that it is NOT God's will that these 2 divorce, and yet, that is exactly what Paula seems to say in all her interviews. She treats it as if God has "sent" this into her life to make her a stronger person or to make her more effective in ministry or something like that. Not so. Paula and Randy need to admit that they have strayed from God's path.....and then they need to stay out of the pulpit for awhile. How can they be giving instruction for people when they need it so desperately themselves?

    God's ministry is on the front lines of Satan's attacks. You don't send a wounded soldier back to the front line.....and yet, that is exactly what is happening. The fact that they both are continuing as if nothing has changed proves to me that they are NOT listening to God's will for them, and they are leaning on their own strength and understanding...... I think we all need to pray that they will become the submissive vessels they obviously once were, and they will stop the merry-go-round, take some time off, and HEAL.

  • Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:08 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 1

    Rad4JC, do you believe Paula and Randy White should continue in ministry? Divorce is not the unpardonable sin, but we do know that God hates divorce (not people), and that His will is that married couples persevere through difficulties instead of divorcing each other. We also know that He has said Christians' marriage is supposed to be a picture of His relationship to His church, the Body of Christ. Do you believe that Paula and Randy have been faithful shepherds to His people?

  • Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:24 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 1

    Yes, I am also saddened by the news, but as to some of the comments made above, we need to remember that though they be true or false, we don't always know, and should not pass judgement. I went also went through a very painful divorce, but Jesus brought me through it even stronger than before. Instead of judging, LET'S PRAY FOR BOTH PAULA & RANDY that God will heal and restore both of them, whether together or separately. As fellow brothers & sisters in Christ, they need our PRAYERS, LOVE, SUPPORT...not our condemnation. (Romans 8:1) I for one, as ever SO GRATEFUL to my Lord & Savior for picking me up, washing me off, bandaging my wounds, and restoring me back to Himself through other believers who loved me like Jesus. Just pray...

  • Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:54 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 1

    With all due respect - I believe Paula White needs to exactly that, 'draw back' in God's presence for a season. In any of our lives, whenever there has been a serious failure such as this which has affected the lives of many people, it is time to withdraw from the public eye, get into God's Word, spend time in prayer, and learn from Him where to go from there. The NT letters to pastors of churches are clear that teachers and pastors will answer to a greater judgment, that they carry a huge responsibility to the Lord for those whose lives are influenced by them. I sincerely hope Paula White will take the time to do this.

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:22 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    "Yet another reason to be an agnostic."

    ??? When people who say they are Christians fail to obey the Lord, how does another person's disobedience trump that???

    When we stand before the Lord to give account of our lives, He is not going to ask us about other people - He's not going to allow us to blame someone else's disobedience for our own disobedience. Each person will answer for himself. The Bible says we are to follow Christ, not people - to be influenced only by the Lord, not others.

  • Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:19 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    As the leaders go, so go the people. Discern a gift from an annointing.

  • Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:35 am Agree: 8   Disagree: 1

    I am saddend by the fact that yet another christian marriage is over. What message are we sending to the unsaved? Do as I say and not as I do? That we only believe the word of God in part? I believe alot of people will loose faith in the miracle working power of God, the power of forgiveness and restoration from God through these prominent leaders who do not live what they preach.
    What is happening to our christian standards? moral values? character? What does it say of our faith in who God is if we preach the way of God but walk and live in the way of the world?

  • Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:16 am Agree: 12   Disagree: 3

    How do these people read their bibles... upside down? For crying out loud, they should leave the pulpit. They are a disgrace to the Body of Christ. Its indeed a shame adn there are people in their churches. Divorce is not considered by christians as a sacred institution... it is a sacred institution sanctioned by God and should be threated as such. The Bible even states a man who cannot control his house should not be a minister. Instead of hiding their faces in shame they are bold to tell the whole world they are divorcing... WHAT A SHAME! How can they preach on marriage?.. its not for life? or u can get a divorce whenever u want? God have mercy. The church has become something else. In case u have forgotten in Malachi.. God says 'I HATE DIVORCE' very clearly.............. Jesus says it was because of the hardness of man's heart that Moses permitted it...it was not and is not meant to be so. It is really disappointing

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:54 am Agree: 12   Disagree: 0

    Well, it seems that Paula and her boyfriend will soon be going public. He is facing his own sexual scandal, and she was absent from his church for a few months to let things cool down, but he has re-named his church the "Epicenter" and she will be preaching there monthly beginning this month. You think I'm spreading gossip? No, I'm telling the truth. Just do a search engine on "Rick Hawkins" or "Rich Hawkins" and Paula White. Last February, about the same time Mr Hawkins was divorcing his wife, Paula took Randy off her Board of Directors and replaced him with Rick Hawkins. She bought a 700K home this past summer near Rick in Texas (about the time the divorce from Randy was announced). These are FACTS, not rumors.

  • Kay »
    Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:46 pm Agree: 12   Disagree: 2

    I agree with Pastor Leo, it is shattering to the congregation when their Pastor headship splits, the ramifications are far reaching. When the shepherd is struck the sheep scatter. People these days play with God forgetting that His Word stands no matter what - if God said it - nothing can reverse it. He is clear about divorce in the Bible. It is easy to say when things aren't working out as one pleases that the marriage isn't God's will and the person they chose to marry wasn't the right person. Wouldn't someone that is in Christ make sure that they are marrying the person God chose for them and not someone else? Also when two people are joined together in holy matrimony - doesn't that automatically become God's will - because what God has joined together no one can put asunder? Since when does God give each spouse a separate calling! - they are one! God is the ultimate judge - but people have to be held accountable for their actions especially when there are so many innocent people that feed of the teachings. I shudder at the thought that there aren't many people that fear God these days - the fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom.

  • Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:34 pm Agree: 10   Disagree: 0

    i am a minister of almost 40 years. i am somewhat tired of people saying we are not the judge. i agree we are not. but the scripture does say that fruit is a result of our life and character is a high premium. not matter how many are being one to the Lord. and PTL for that. A persons life should be above reproach. a persons life should be an example of integrity. a ministers marriage should show forth an example of faithfulness and purity. an example of oneness and unity. when two people are striving to acheive their individual fame, they are not one in the first place. Paula White is very arragont and self-righteous. To think that while preaching the word, would be unfaithful to her husband is sin. that is not judging, that is a fact of the word. we cannot get around the word and try and only work it to fit our lives we convenient. God is a God who forgives and the Second chance. But sin is sin. she has been divorced before. something is very wrong. it sends an horrible message to the unsaved community. and then there is TBN, who wil have anyone who can make them money one, who have no standards. they will back anyone. it is a disgrace to the kingdom, and to those of us ministers who have tried to be faithful for years. who do not drive the Mercedes and live in million dollor homes and who drain people of money by deceiving them with our ungodly living. i wish i had a 700K home, after 40 years in ministry, pastoring places Paula White would never go. DIDO to Pastor Leo and same on you to Living Grace. Making statements according to the word in regards to sin, is not judging, it is sin.

  • Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:49 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 10

    Jesus was born from the Virgin Mary. Mary and Joseph walked a hard road, believing despite circumstances that made made them look disgraced. Sometimes believing takes us to places that we cannot understand, but we have to believe anyways. It is a hard road to follow christ, Could it be that sometimes our own will gets in the way of God's will and we Marry people for the wrong reasons?. Maybe Paula's husband has a big purpose and so does Paula, and they were meant to meet and work together in Christ, but not neccessarily marry. it is so easy for us to be with anyone, that sometimes it is not neccassarily in God's will.

  • Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:40 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 6

    Paula White: " I'm Not Going to Draw Back"

    why would she, then she would have to give up the big paycheck, new cars, large homes, private planes.................ah yes another televangelist hypocrite.

    Yet another reason to be an agnostic.

  • walk »
    Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:18 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 11

    May God bless Paula and I thank God for her. To go on in spite of. So many have backed down and gotten out of the race. So many are just sitting waiting just to die because of the trails. Divorce is like a death. Just like Jesus he went in to meet the needs of others and I am one of them. I would have given up. When you are about to be elevated your nights seem so hard and so long. I am with her and will cont. to surport this ministry.God's way and thought are higher than ours. Don't put him in a box like the Pharisee did. Love u and keep pushing on in spite of.

  • Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:00 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    First, i want to say that GOD is the only judge of all believers and non believers...yes GOD's word says at the end many will come in his name but are false...this is why we need to stay in his WORD (BIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and pray and fast to find truth...people of all authorities say many things both true and false and it is up to us as individuals to seek the truth in his WORD...i like Paula's preaching along with many others but I also read scriptures and pray on what i hear because i know that we are all human and fall short of GOD's glory daily I as an individual need to keep myself right regardless of the circumstances or surroundings i am in...PEACE AND JOY TO ALL...MERRY CHRIST-MAS!!

  • Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:12 am Agree: 9   Disagree: 10

    it was also very disappointed to hear of the Whites divorce but whether i know what really happened or not, my role as a christain should be to lift the Randy family and their Church family bse it must be hard on them.know one can really understand the dynamics of two peolpe relating except God,let us not tear them with our analysis but support them in prayer.

  • Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:42 pm Agree: 20   Disagree: 1

    I would like to reaffirm what Pastor Leo said. Right on! I am a pastor myself and am bothered that it seems that very few people are calling them on the carpet concerning this situation in their life, especially since they are pastors and are supposed to be living above reproach. Now, I don't know the details of thier split, but the Bible only indicates two reasons for divorce. 1. Adultery and 2. If you are married to a non-believer and they want out of the marriage because you are a believer, found in 1 Corinthians 7. I would like to know which one of those they fall into. If it is the first one, both of them should take time out of their so called important ministries and get themselves back on track with God. And if it's the second one, well you think about that.

    The Bible is pretty clear that we are not to judge for judging sake. However, Jesus did say we would know them by their fruits. I do have to admit I like her style of preaching, but their personal life is not lining up with their public life. And for that, I am bothered that no one is addressing this with them and holding them to a higher standard. In my mind she and her husband have lost a lot of credibility as a public representative for God.

    I believe with all of my heart that what goes on in private will be made known public and that is exactly what we are seeing. I do pray that both of them will see that just because they are divorcing each other the problems that were there in their private life will not just disappear because they are seperated from one another. They will have to address the real issues or God will.

    Anyway, just a thought.

  • Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:29 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 15

    I think we are not the ones to judge. This is between Paula, Randy, & God. No one else really knows what happened. For me. I see fruit being borne. Souls being won, & lives being changed. With God ALL things are possible.

  • Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:41 am Agree: 12   Disagree: 2

    Awesome comment, Pastor Leo. I agree wholeheartedly. Let God be true, and every man a liar!

  • Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:10 pm Agree: 36   Disagree: 2

    Just thought I had better repeat this message.

    Divorces are a direct result of sin, sinning, and sinful behavior. Divorce occurs in marriages long before either person files the paperwork. Divorce is supposed to be the solution to an irresolvable problem in the marriage. Is there a problem in any Christian’s life that the Lord cannot resolve? Is there any sin too great that the Lord cannot forgive?

    God hates divorce, Malachi 2:16! God did not say adultery was grounds for a divorce. It is not the adultery, but the hardness of your heart that demands a divorce. Adultery can be forgiven, but a harden heart is too prideful to forgive or to hear from anyone, including God.

    Marriage is a vowed relationship with the Lord. The only other vowed relationship anyone has with the Lord is their vow to accept Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior. Marriage vows come BEFORE anyone’s “Calling” into ministry. If your ministry is interfering with your marriage, then step down from ministry, immediately, and heal your marriage. It makes you wonder who are Christians following, the pastor, or Jesus Christ? My Bible says to have the mind of Christ, not the mind of the pastor.

    The many members of the congregation may choose to stay with a pastor who is living in sin or openly committing sin(s). They may say it is out of love and forgiveness, but not really. It is out of pride and selfishness. A sinful pastor will continue to lead them astray, but it is by their personal choice to follow. Whose voice do you follow? If the pastor’s heart is not contrite and humble enough to step down, for a season of healing, then it is only a matter of time before they fall down and take many with them.

    Ecclesiastes 5:4 states; do not make a vow to God and break it; do not make a vow to God and then say that it was a mistake (paraphrased). You, your spouse, and the Holy Spirit have formed a threefold cord. You now, must break your relationship with God before you can break you relationship with your spouse. Who wants to follow a pastor who is no longer in relationship with God?

    God has never and He will never tell anyone to get a divorce or to marry someone else because you missed Him in your choice of a spouse. Stop lying about the Word of God. God hates divorce! God also hates lying! I don’t think that God makes any exceptions to His Laws for the rich and famous even if they still claim to be pastors of HIS church.

    Pastor Leo Bogee
    www.wclandtm.com

  • Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:20 am Agree: 12   Disagree: 6

    apas3593, I just want to say that I have been reading your posts on here and I appreciate you speaking out in truth, and the spirit in which you do it.

    I am especially glad to see that others recognize that Allah is NOT "just another name for God", as so many are fond of saying these days.

    And I am not "on the attack" for Paula White....but you speak truth about her "boyfriend". I find it appalling that so many are following this woman in her bad judgement. I can only hope and pray that she will see the error of what she is promoting and repent of it. When a prominent "woman of God" divorces her husband for no apparent reason (even if he takes 100% responsibility), and gives God glory for it, there is something seriously wrong. This is not God's doing. God does not place people in ministries that ruin their marriage. This just confirms to me that Paula and Randy are working in their OWN ministries, not anything that God has called them to do. Jesus said that in the last days, many would come in His Name, saying that He is Christ, and still would deceive many. (No, I am not misunderstanding that scripture- go and read it. It is commonly misunderstood). He also said that there would be a great "falling away". I sincerely believe that this prosperity preaching is setting up many Christians to fall away.

    Back to Paula's boyfriend: She bought a $700K home in Austin TX to be near him....she preaches in the church he founded and his son now pastors as often as she can. Back in February 2007, she took Randy White off of her board of directors and placed this man on her board....at the same time, he was divorcing his wife, and his son was also divorcing. Coincidence? I doubt it. This is no big secret.....anyone with a search engine can read about it.

    This whole situation is a sad state of affairs. But it confirms to me also that these "megapastors" may start out with the right motives, but soon being glorified by others corrupts their messages and their very core. Human beings were never meant to be glorified, and we cannot handle it. The glory is for God, and Him only!

    PS....I am a woman minister, and I agree with you, apas3593, wholeheartedly that women are not meant to be in authoritative positions in the church. That is not to say we cannot minister..... but we should not be apostles, elders, and such.

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:16 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 3

    Dear rightgod,

    I was stunned by your post. Be careful guy, when you throw the Holy Spirit into a foolish gest the bible declares that you are treading on the unforgivable waters of blasphemy. Your post was amazingly dangerous. You better fall down and repent and pray that God grants you forgiveness. What you said could be the unpardonable sin. I don't know but you are borderline!

    apas3593

  • Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:28 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Actually I am a brother :). As far as the truth goes, well that’s what sets you free. Ever since the first wave of big name ministers started to get exposed in the late 80’s sad enough nothing would surprise. I have always preached to my kids that if they repeat something they should always have the facts and not flippantly say something. Not implying you are but it’s just second nature to ask for backing. The love of money is the root of all evil. I am all for having money and according to the Word God delights in the prosperity of His servants and III John says beloved I wish above all things that thou prosper and be in health, but here is the clincher even as your soul prospers. But to get back to the point. When these preachers put themselves in a position where they need money and in their minds start having to beg for it that opens up a big door of all kinds of things. We have a 15 million dollar church with a congregation of less then 1500 people and we never take up an offering. When we walk into the sanctuary through one of the 3 doors there are like envelope slots on each side and we drop our money in there. Nothing is ever said about that. My preacher is 91 years old and is in a ray of good health, healed on his death bed at 51 and he just trusts the Lord. He reminds me a lot of Smith Wigglesworth and old time evangelist who went on to be with the Lord in the mid 1940’s. To me that is saying a lot.

  • Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:51 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    Dear thankfulservent (cool screen name by the way),

    Yeah, I have to back track a little and admit that that was a bit inappropriate to reveal on a message board where weak minded people (I am not implying you) could see that and interpret it in some crazy way. It just came out before I knew what I was saying and then after I read it I said "darn, I should not have said that." Bad apas3593!!! (LOL)(Slap wrist!)(LOL).

    But anyway, it is the truth and that is mild compared to some of the other things that will soon be revealed about pretty Paula. I got all kinds of other dirt on Paula White that would singe your nosehairs. That is nothing. As a matter of fact I know lots of famous people but I will never be able to reveal who I am or who I know. So if my previous statement about Paula White strikes a qualm within you or if the potential validity of that statement upsets you or strikes a qualm, then there is no way I could further communicate with you (even in priviate by a personal email) because I don't know how you would take what I say. In other words YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!! (LOL, LOL)

    No, no, no, just kidding sister. Every now and then my comical side kicks in and I make people laugh. But anyway, Jesus is so wonderful, I love being saved and having my name written in heaven. I would not trade it for anything. Bless the Lord, Hallelujah!!! Hope to hear from you again.


    Your friend apas3593

  • Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:33 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Dear rubinlueski, if you are not a muslim than what religion are you. I mean, it is none of my business but when you said "Alahu Akbar" lets just be real here for a second, that is a common tone that muslims use. But if you insist that you are not muslim, fine. But I wonder what you meant by that and why you would say something like that just for the sake of sounding cool? To me, that sounds like somehting out of the twilight zone. I mean I am literally waiting for Rod Serling to pop out any second and do the nener nener promo (LOL).

    But seriously bro, everything I said is out of the bible. Jesus talked about hell on numerous occasions, but today there are many who have chosen to believe the lie that it (hell) does not exist.

    And I do not expect for what I say to sound logical to you. The bible says that the natural man does not understand or recieve the things of the spirit because they are foolishness unto him. It also says "neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned." The reason why my takes on hell sound foolish to you is because you are not a Christian and the Holy Spirit does not dwell in you to nudge you and literally say to your spirit "Yeah man, thats the truth." Without the Holy Spirit convicting you, you will only want to debate me back and forth. I do not mind doing that because the bible says we need to be ready to give an answer to every man concerning the hope that is within us. I am praying for you bro, Jesus loves you, and I pray that the Holy Spirit will touch your heart and reveal the truth of Christ to you. Hope to hear from you again.

    Your friend apas3593

  • Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Apas3593 where do you get your information that Paula has a boy friend. If you read my earlier post I am not sticking up for her but statements like that must have some facts behind them.

  • Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    apas3593, wow, weird stuff there. your stuff sounds like something out of the dark ages. The scientist part of me says, Where there is no logic, there is no truth. Your religion doesn't have much logic to it. By the way, I am not a muslim, Allahu Akbar min kulli shay just sounds sort of cool.

  • Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Dear rubinlueski, I know that Allah is a reference to God. It seems that every time I converse with a muslim, they are so fast to point that out to me as if I did not know that. But remember, there are 3 that bear witness in heaven: The Father, the Word (Jesus) and the Holy Ghost.

    Due to your denial of the blessed trinity (3 in 1) you error, and worship Alllah who was a false pagan sun God of the Philistines (who were the ememies of Israel). Your praise and worship actually goes to Satan not God, which Muslims believe to be Allah. The true and living God is Jesus, and only he can give eternal life. When muslims die, they do not go to paradise. Instead they meet Satan in hell(who they thought was Allah (God)) and he mocks them and binds them and torments them for all eternity. The same is true with Jews my friend. Every single Jew that denies Jesus Christ dies and goes hand in hand into hell with the Muslims, Witches, Homosexuals, Adulterers, and alcoholics. Think about it rubinlueski, all of those Jews who were tortured and gassed in the gas chambers by that devil Hitler, if those Jews did not accept Jesus into their hearts as their Lord and savior, then today they are suffering in torment in hell for all eternity. It is very sad, but very true. Jesus is the only way bro, I hope you get saved some day. We could use intelligent, aggressive people like you in the kingdom.

  • Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:15 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Dear apas3593, thanks for the messsage. However both Islam and Christianity are monotheistic religions. Allah = God. Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word Allah to mean God.[

  • Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Dear Momof3, I am concerned about your post for a number of reasons. For starters, you never mentioned or even paraphrased one scripture to explain or justify your poiint of view. Second, you gave more glory to ministries like Paula Whites for your breakthroughs. Be careful sister, it is Jesus who has healed you and blessed you not a man or a woman. You also said some things that were totally unscriptural. You said that Paula and Randy will now have more compassion and be more effective ministers of God. Are you serious sister? So, in order for me to have compassion and an effectiveness in ministry towards gay people, I need to go out and have a homosexual affair? Or, in order for me to have a great compassion and effectiveness in ministry for people born without an arm or a leg, I must go out and cut off my arm or leg? I am sure you can now see the ignorance of your statements. You also said that people kicked you when you were divorced. If that is so then take the persecution like Christ or the apostle Paul who said we are made as the filth of the earth as apostles. Quit feeling sorry for yourself sister, get over whatever you went through and realize that there is a persecuted body of believers who are suffering real torture and persecution for the name of Jesus. Don't try to be a martyr!!! You also compared Paula's situation to Job in the bible. Are you on crack? Job was persecuted for righteousness sake. And for your information your little pulpit beauty Paula has a boyfriend in Houston Texas. She is out of order and in adultry. So get back on your knees sister and pray through. God is not the author of confusion or divorce.


    P.S. How can you possibly support her pulpit ministry when she cannot even guide her own house? She literally has no right to guide the houses of other saints. She needs to step down!

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