Bush Pressed on Iraq-Linked Hate Crimes Bill

scott1109 »

Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Did it pass?

dgnymn »

Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:05 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

The message needs to be said again, and I will say it - "Senator" Kennedy, who keeps on being re-elected by the voters of the Socialist Republic of Massachusetts (my home state) is first and FOREMOST a Socialist/Communist, and he is completely out of touch with the electorate in this nation. He is out of touch with traditional voters and the public at large, and he should be removed from office for his blatant anti-Christian bias and hate towards people of faith. He doesn't represent my family, nor thousands of God-fearing families. He might call himself a "Catholic," but he is a baby killer and homosexual lover, and sadly enough, he really doesn't care, because he is above all a POLITICAL OPPORTUNIST!!! He is doing the bidding of the Devil and needs the prayers of the faithful so that God will save his soul and he'll come to the Cross of Christ for forgiveness of his sins. The truth of the matter is that there are already more than enough laws in our nation to address these problems and a national/federal hate crimes bill is ludicrous. It's like brother Colson said - this is "Thought Crime of 2007"

hisone »

Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:32 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

Homework needs to be done here. The hate crimes legislation bill as its were has already been abused in Pennsylvania ( Philadelphia 11). Although it is a piece of state legislation it is written almost identically as the federal version which in effect has wording that if a statement is made and an individual has a "belief" that they are in danger it is a hate crime. New statements made on the federal bill is linking it with terrorism. It is absurd because laws already exist that protect ALL people regardless of race, gender, or sexual preference as well as religious preference. A bill that already protects AMERICANS.The first amendment right was discarded and a bill that panders to a specific group was adopted. They were arrested and charged over words not actions. The case in point has already been made. Schools are now trying to teach small children of the need to explore their sexuality.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298307,00.html

Why does my child need to be indoctrinated by their regime? A captive audience of young and delicate minds. We are told that we are the intolerant ones. We allegedly are forcing our way of thinking on them. How is this true when you not only go after us by attempting to get special rights and concessions as well as the assault on the innocence of our children? No school even teaches sex ed at that young of an age let alone issues of moral conscience. The children are told that orientation is not choice. That also is absurd. Check back to the earlier parts of the last century and even in our recent history. Where were the gays and lesbians? Now all of a sudden there is a surge? Now there is an outcry? Where were all these Homosexuals & Lesbians in the 60's when we were supposedly in a sexual revolution? Now with all of the media that has come out over the last thirty years that has gotten more liberal with morals and has gotten filthier with profanity and sexuality, murder and rape. Now all of a sudden there is a genetic component that has affixed itself to the DNA of certain individuals. A sort of selective evolution. The only thing missing in the equation is the science to back it up being that when a supposed evolution occurs it occurs because of an environmental stimuli that forces a survival mechanism to take hold and reconstruct a species for the purpose of sustaining its existence. The problem here is that all people have not changed and I doubt ever will as well as when there is no procreation the species dies. That is deconstructive to the process. Homosexuality is a choice.

hisone »

Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:23 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

Part II

The problem is that they want to recruit and they want legitimacy to what they are doing. Why? What does it matter if we (Christians) are on board with their program? They want same-sex marriage. This completely boggled my mind when I heard this. Why would they want this thing. The very institution of religion that they hate because it is oppressive to their choice and they want to take on the chief ritual of marriage. Once again why? It does not legitimize them in our eyes or in the eyes of GOD. It is meaningless in the fact that it is not at all about the spiritual bond between a man and a woman to become one flesh and one mind for the purpose of worshipping GOD in all that they do and procreating children to teach and to perpetuate the family line and the faith. They are not on board with what we are doing nor do they want to hear what we have to say. They challenge everything we stand for but they want to take our most prized ritual and desecrate it. May GOD help the man or woman who performs such a blasphemous act of abomination.

We do not hate homosexuals. We disapprove of what they do because it is against the principles laid out in our Bible. Just as we disapprove of murderers, rapists, & thieves as per the guidelines in what we believe. The Lord will judge all based on HIS standard not that which we have made up for ourselves (Idolatry). That is our belief and we are entitled to it

pgcfriend »

Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:52 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

shooter38 well said. I worked with an ex-gay ministry for six years. You can love the person but not embrace what they do. That applies to any wrong behavior. Only a heart change will change a person, no matter what they are in. I have a friend right now that used to be in homosexuality, got out for a while, now questions whether it is wrong in God's eyes or not. I believe that he will come around again. The Lord can reach anyone. It will be up to them to respond to His desires.

shooter38 »

Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:16 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

I think the homosexual crowd should realize that their desire for acceptance will never really come to fruition. Not on a heart level. True followers of Christ worry more about what God thinks about a given subject. That is not to say we maim or kill the homosexual but acceptance in our heart of hearts will not happen. Before anyone jumps to conclusions, let me state, my son is in a same sex relationship. Do I love my son YES do I accept his lifestyle NO! Do I turn him from my door NO. Truthfully he doesn't agree with a lot of the things the more vocal of this group espouse. How he chooses to live is between him and God and he will stand before the judgment seat of Christ as will I. He and his friend know how I feel about this situation, me trying to guilt him into a different lifestyle won't work. Only the Holy Spirit can change a heart!

Hope »

Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:18 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

As followers of Christ in a lost and dying world we must remember that our fight is not against flesh and blood ( the 'gays' and 'lesbians') but against the Enemy. Satan is a liar and seeks to kill and destroy and confuse and condem Believers and unbelievers as well. One of his best deceptions is that he doesn't exist....and that God does not love those that commit sin. God so loved....that He gave....and He wishes none to perish. God forgive us in our unbelief, when we think we can not love because we see our brothers sin. Give us Our Fathers Eyes full of compassion for the ones the do not yet know the Truth. Jesus come quickly.

pgcfriend »

Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:03 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

Those that say that this bill will not affect speech is not keeping up with the debate. There was an amendment offered that would exclude preachers of the gospel from being presecuted. I do not know if it was ever presented. If so it was voted down. Christian leaders specifically asked some Demoratic leaders about a scenario where a person listening to a Christian message against the sin of homosexuality, not endorcing violence or any retribution against, just stating that it is sin. They asked if that person went and killed a homosexual stating they were motivated by the preacher's message if the preacher could be indicted for speaking hate speech. They did not want to answer the question but after being pressed they were forced to say that the preacher could be arrested for hate speech just for saying that homosexuality is a sin.

My former pastor Carlton Pearson is spearheading this nonsense. She said during the first rally at Capitol Hill before the House vote that he wants the preaching of the gospel about the sin of homosexuality to be made illegal. That is pretty clear. They want to shut the mouths of the church, not protect homosexuals. There is a huge lobby out there trying to stop the church because we are the only group that comes against them. Their sin has made them some of the meanest people. So much for tolerance.

Christians beter wake up. We will stand no matter what but it will be easier to be the church without out government persecuting us. We need to pray for our leaders. They are being unwittingly used by satan.

petracic »

Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:27 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 6

We gays are advancing and the gay bashing Christians are losing.

dgnymn »

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:51 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 5

KENNEDY is FIRST and FOREMOST a Socialist, and he doesn't represent the best interests of this nation. He states that he believes crimes against homosexuals are terrorism? What about his own crime committed against a young girl many years ago? Mary Jo Kopechne? Does anyone remember Chappaquidick? Talk about your terrorism!! Ted Kennedy is TERRORIST, first and foremost, and those of us in Massachusetts who think clearly have NEVER voted for him and will continue to try to defeat him for office. The best thing that could happen in the near future is for this Communist to be removed from office!!!

Ravenhawk »

Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:42 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 4

This legislation infringes on the first amendment. It seems to be fine that homosexuals are free to denigrate things Christian, yet this homosexual rape of our society is continuing with the help of our morally compromised Government where every form of deviency is the norm among it's members. From prostitution to pedophelia, it is practiced by the leadership of our nation.

Homosexuality was removed from the American Psychological Association classification as a mental illness only after many threats of violence and great physical harm were made upon the board members of that organization. The homosexual community continues their homosexual rape of our society, it's institutions, our homes, our schools, and yes, even our children as their hideous lifestyle must now be presented as 'perfectly normal' in our public schools, with Nambla, the North American Man Boy Love Association pressing for free and open pedophelia.

It is sick and disgusting that we must suffer this. Our nation is and will continue to suffer ever more greatly for this. Of course the Prophets said, in the last days, it would be as in the days of Noah, when homosexuality's sick and disgusting sexual behaviors were publically displayed.

May God forgive us for what we have allowed our once great nation to become.

pburwell »

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:28 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

There is a very good reason why Christians oppose further "hate crimes" laws: THEY ALREADY EXIST. The legislation being proposed now as a rider, and with ENDA, is to REDEFINE what is "good" and what is "bad." Now THAT should sound familiar... History shows that this particular issue, that of DEVIANT sexuality, has ALWAYS preceded the downfall of a nation. Why? Because when the leaders of the country, nation or people have persistently engaged in IDOLATRY Yahweh gives them over to the rule of the lusts of their flesh which is wickedness altogether. But on the heels of such judgment God always sends a final call to repent. To the people, to the nation and to the leaders. If that call is refused then REAL sorrow befalls them. That day is coming if we do not heed the warnings of our Creator. WOE TO YOU AMERICA! You have GONE and made yourself a HARLOT! Repent! Repent before the hour of your destruction comes. Surrender to Jesus before the wrath of God destroys all our forefathers have struggled so hard to establish. REPENT and trust Jesus to save you. Forsake your lying, stealing, lusts, your going after strange gods - and seek the forgiveness of Yahweh, while there is still TIME. Bow down to Jesus as LORD and Messiah NOW for He alone can save you. The time has come to choose America. Whom are you FOR? Are you going to stand with Jesus or not? Like Moses Christ stands with the Law in His hands wanting to know whose are His in this Country. Choose TODAY whom you will serve.

woofle »

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:03 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 5

I find it odd that one would claim to be against violence against X, and then oppose legislation which gives the Federal government the authority necessary to prosecute the perpetrators of violence against X, when local law enforcement is uncooperative or incapable of handling the situation.

Especially silly is the false contention that free speech would be limited by a law which addresses, specifically, violent crime, or dishonestly tries to equate this law with some foreign law in a completely different social context.

That anti-gay attitudes will be silenced eventually, is probably inevitable, but that's because a clear majority of Americans reject hate, not because of some anti-violence measure that has existed for many years and is simply being amended to include frequent targets of terroristic attacks that, for reasons unclear, were omitted in the past.

woofle »

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 6

FBI statistics prove that gay and lesbian Americans are frequently targeted for violence because of being gay or lesbian. In fact, the most frequently target of hate-motivated violence of any tracked in their statistics.

That's why 200+ law enforcement organizations endorse this common-sense anti-violence measure, as do all good Americans.

Hate crimes legislation is intended to address violent crime, not speech, and it's downright dishonest to mischaracterize this legislation as an attack on free speech, when it is in fact intended as a remedy to the aforementioned violence.

I'm left wondering if the opponents of this legislation don't secretly endorse random violent attacks against gay and lesbian American taxpaying citizens, because they hate America's freedom?

RobCasey »

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:22 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 11

When a Christian person opposes a gay person's right to have a job, a home, health insurance, freedom from violence, marriage and even "fun" (protest Disneyland because they let gay people ride the rides too?!?!) it makes your claim to love the sinner pretty hollow. I have no problem with Christians following their Bible but gay and lesbians should have no fewer right under the law than any other citizen. America is supposed to be about freedom not repression.

Of course old fossils like us arent going to having these lovely chats much longer seeing how 70% of Americans under the age of 25 support gay rights including marriage. Just like racism and anti-semitism, homophobia represents an intolerant viewpoint that is on its last legs.

pjchooch »

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:39 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 10

The idea that the pulpit will be censored based on this legislation is ridiculous, bordering on fear mongering. Stating your opinion is not hate speech. Advocating or encouraging violence again others based on their beliefs is.

The often pointed to case against preacher Ake Green in Sweden was thrown out by Sweden's supreme court in November of 2005 on freedom of speech and region grounds (rightfully so). I think in this country, such a case would be thrown out before it ever rose to that level.

Currently, religious groups in the US are protected by anti-hate legislation (since 1968). People are free in this country to decry Christianity, and often do. This is not hate speech, and no one is prosecuted for it. If someone were to advocate violence against Christians, or worse yet, act out violently against someone because they were a Christian, they would be federally prosecuted for it.

This bill is not a referendum on whether homosexuality is right or wrong. It simply makes it illegal to advocate or commit violence against someone because they are homosexual or handicapped.

I find it hard to believe that a true follower of Jesus would think that such a crime would be acceptable, regardless of what "group" the person is associated with. All of us are sinners, remember that. Jesus does, and loves us all.

anniefourjesus »

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:20 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 3

Christians do not support violence against anyone. We believe God's Word when HE says that homosexuality along with all sin is wrong. It goes against God's Word. As Christians we have the right to voice our support of the Bible and others have the right to disagree with The Bible.
I believe this legislation is to come after those who stand with God's Word.
We are all sinners, and fall short of the glory of God. Sex outside of marriage is as much a sin as homosexuality. To God all sin is immoral, HE is a Holy God and HE created us to be a Holy people. That doesn't mean that we are better than anyone else, what it means is that I choose to believe God's Word, and I know that my sin is forgiven, but I cannot keep doing that same sin. Jesus told the woman caught in adultery, "go and sin no more". God made man and woman, HE didn't create another sex. This is my belief, it is based on God's Word.
We live in the end times and men have become lovers of themselves, right is wrong and wrong is right. Christians who walk with Jesus in truth, do not hate anyone, we do not stand in judgement of the world, God's already done that, and HE's also made a way of escape from this dead and dying world, JESUS is the way, the only way!
God has written the knowledge of Himself on every human heart, and men are without excuse!

RobCasey »

Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:37 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 14

So we get the message. Christians support violence against innocent gays and lesbians while hiding behind their own hate crime protections.