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Same-Sex 'Marriage' TV Ad Attempts to Sway Calif. Voters

By Nathan Black|Christian Post Reporter

A new multimillion-dollar ad campaign is being launched this week to change the hearts of undecided Californians to garner support for same-sex "marriage."

Beginning Thursday, television ads will try to "open hearts and minds" as it portrays a bride who, on her way to the altar to marry the groom, gets obstructed by cars, a broken heel, a tree, the flower girl and a grandma who trips the bride with her cane.

"What if you couldn't marry the person you love?" the 60-second TV spot reads at the end. "Every day, gay and lesbian couples are prevented from marrying. Support the freedom to marry."

The commercial is scheduled to air on Thursday in San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego and Palm Springs.

"We wanted to connect to the people of California on an emotional level, on a level they can identify with," said Seth Kilbourn, political and policy director of Equality California Institute, according to the San Francisco Chronicle. Equality California is the gay rights advocacy organization coordinating the campaign called "Let California Ring."

Conservatives hope Californians will see that the institution of marriage is beyond an emotional issue.

"The homosexual community continues to attempt to attract the emotions of society," said Ron Prentice, executive director of the California Family Council, which supports traditional marriage. "Our hope is that society will recognize that the meaning and purpose of marriage is more than an emotional argument."

The "homosexual lobby is dismissing the foundational purpose of marriage and what's best for children and society," he added, according to the Chronicle. "Children deserve both a mother and a father."

In addition to the TV ad, thousands of volunteers are expected to conduct house parties, knock on voters' doors, and give speeches to promote the push and help "spark a million conversations" about the freedom to wed.

Equality California executive director Geoff Kors says the long-term goal for the campaign is to have the majority of Californians support the freedom to marry, according to Sacramento Bee.

More specifically, the campaign is intended to move the state "over the tipping point," targeting people on the fence, added Kilbourn.

A poll last year by the Policy Institute California showed that California voters are almost evenly split on the issue of same-sex "marriage." Forty-eight percent oppose homosexual "marriage" while 46 percent expressed support. In 2000, over half (55 percent) of the voters were against it.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is expected to veto a measure in the next few days that would allow same-sex "marriage" in the state. The bill, AB43, was passed by the state senate last month, approving the replacement of the words "a man and a woman" with any "two persons" in California's marriage laws.

Schwarzenegger had vetoed a similar bill in 2005. Traditional marriage supporters have urged believers to call the governor's office to urge him to veto the latest bill.

Currently, Massachusetts is the only state where same-sex "marriage" is legal.

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  • Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:52 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

    Only the Blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ can cleanse us of all unrighteousness and filthy sin - this does include many other things, but as it pertains to this article - adultery, fornication, and yes, homosexuality. Too many in today's church want to cover up sin, and be politically relevent to today's "culture". They water-down the Wrod of God, and twist it to make it seem more "pleasant" to the ears. Many people want to hear what feesds their ego; they don;t want to hear the truth that transforms lives for their own good and for God's pleasure.

    The Bible tells us that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. None of us are without sin. The Good News is that Jesus Christ became God in the flesh for us! He decended from his exalted heavenly place, and willfully shed His Prescious Blood and gave up His life so that we may have a relationship with God the Father our Creator.

    We need to first acknowledge that we are all sinners; we need to repent - that is to literally and willfully choose to turn away from our old life of living in sins; we need to ask for forgiveness and accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior of our lives (this means we hand over our free will to Him, and choose toi obey His commands and teachings). We must put our total trust and confidence ino Him, and then follow Him.

    The question is, have we trully repented, and turned back from our sin. That is to say, if we're willfully, and rebelliously living in sin, have we made a conscious choice to turn from that sin, die to ourselves, pick up our crosses daily and follow Christ?

    None of these sins are unpardonable, but God has given us a free choice. We must choose this day whom we will serve. Are we going to choose to gratify our flesh and live in sin, or are we going to die to ourselves, and choose to follow Christ Jesus?

    Whoever doesn't truly know Christ on this site, please give your life to him. You will not regret it. He will never bring up your past. We all have pasts, but God can make you a new person, and as you continue to seek after Him and as you surrender your life to Him, He will continue to mold you and make you into the vessel of honor He wants you to be. I hope this touches someone out there, and may the Lord turn your heart to repentance. God Bless You.

  • Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:10 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 1

    Are you that ignorant of the bible, that you copy and paste the same OT passages all over this web site? Those old laws were taken care of at the cross. This disgusting, degenerate lifestyle of sodomy that you are apparently championing is condemmed as an abomination numerous times in the new testament. Try reading it sometime.

  • Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:52 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 7

    Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

    I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

    When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

    I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

    I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

    Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

    I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

    A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

    Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

    Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?

    I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

    My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16)
    Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)

    I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

  • Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:10 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 6

    OpenlyGay,
    Christ answers that question right here: “THERE ARE EUNUCHS WHO WERE BORN THAT WAY FROM THEIR MOTHER’S WOMB; AND THERE ARE EUNUCHS WHO WERE MADE THAT WAY BY MEN.”

    *Answer – Jesus was not talking about homosexuals but Eunuchs who DO NOT have Sex.

    If one is a “Eunuch” and not attracted to someone of the opposite sex, should they be forced to live a life of celibacy?

    *Answer – Yes, a Eunuch does not have Sex.

    Your statement: God answers this question in Isaiah 56:3-5 when he says that a eunuch is not “only a dry tree.”
    Let no foreigner who has bound himself to the LORD say, “The LORD will surely exclude me from his people." and let not any eunuch complain, "I am only a dry tree." For this is what the LORD says: "To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose what pleases me and hold fast to my covenant - to them I will give within my temple and its walls a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that will not be cut off.

    This story has to do with a Eunuch keeping himself Celebate for God and having no Heirs to pass on his inheritance, which in Israel was the most important thing to do. The whole Bible is based on Geneology from Adam and Eve to Jesus the Messiah and all the families of the Seed of Abraham.
    Here God is guaranteeing those who abstain from procreating, and who love Him that even though they have no children to carry on their name, God will memorialize their names on His own house.

    Is gay marriage really that scary? Yes, it would force society to go against God’s commandments and endorse a sin as a Holy Union. All of us would have to pay the price. It also violates God’s Inheritance Laws. If two men marry, their legal contract (covenant) is binding on earth as it is in Heaven. God honors and blesses marriage contracts but He cannot go against His own commands, and it’s an insult to try and force Him to do so. I would be very afraid, if I were you. You are pushing the limit.

  • Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:40 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 4

    To OpenlyGay-Christian, You have some really good questions and many good answers came forth. I would like to bring a correlation to these Sexual Laws. God Himself says that if these are violated people would die. But if Israel keeps His commandments none of the diseases would come upon them. Exodus 15:26
    Have you noticed that the more decadent our society becomes violating these laws, the more terminal diseases people die from? It would be interesting to find out what the causes of death are for people committing adultery. We already know that homosexuals have had the highest incident of AIDS. In the past it was Syphilis that plagued and killed them.

    DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
    If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately. *Possible Answer: Today women have a high rate of death from breast and ovarian cancer. Statistics prove many of today’s western women are not virgins when they meet and marry their husbands.
    DEUTERONOMY 22:22
    If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death. *Possible Answer: Again high rate of breast cancer in women, prostrate cancer in men. Other diseases in the reproductive organs.
    MARK 10:1-12
    Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced. *Answer- Jesus agreed but said God allowed it through Moses because of the hardness of their hearts. Result: Divorce has ravaged our Nation and left millions of Fatherless children.
    LEVITICUS 18:19
    The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman's period. If they disobey, both shall be executed. *Answer again could be Cancers in both sexes, reproductive organs or a variety of blood disorders.
    MARK 12:18-27
    If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir. *Answer: NO, you missed the point. Because of the importance of Inheritance Laws and the Double Portion Right of the First Born, the scripture says that only the brother who was next in line by age would raise up children with her. In this story each of the brothers died before giving her children.
    DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12
    If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.
    *Answer: Unknown, I will research it.
    You’re correct, we can’t pick and choose, for all of us the wages of sin is death. Jesus said “If anyone loves me, he will keep my Word. John 14:23. We can’t say we love Him and continue in sexually immoral practices. Unless we stay in His Will, we will die in our sins. We can give Him lip service all day long but He reads our Hearts and God will not be mocked. Do we love Him enough to give up our sin?

  • Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:12 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    Judy.

    If you will look, you will find that not only was Old Testament scripture quoted, but so was New Testament scripture. I used Scripture (Old Testament AND New Testament) to show that God thinks homosexual sex is a sin.

    Yes, Jesus showed love; he also showed patience for those who would listen. But his patience had limits; he also showed the fact that he does not approve of sin. I'm not pretending I'm perfect or without sin (in fact, I've admitted my sin).

    But calling sin sin is not casting stones. That's a straw man argument. Its empty and is little more than attempt at peace keeping (not peace making) or to deflect someone from calling someone on where they are wrong. And from God's perspective (according to God's word), homosexual sex is wrong.

    I'm not perfect, and I'm not Christ, but I try to follow His model - I've simply pointed out truth - something Christ had no problem doing, and something scripture tells us to do. I've been gentle but consistent.

    But if you think I'm mistaken in what I've done or said, then please read all the comments on this story and let me know where I'm mistaken.

  • Judy »
    Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:06 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    I seem to recall something in the Bible about Jesus stopping the stoning of a woman for adultery -- but told her to go and sin no more. Is not that a lesson in redemption and forgiveness? Also, did not Jesus ask the person who had never sinned to cast the first stone? Why so much quoting of the Jewish law instead of the Christian law in a Christian room?

  • Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:01 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    OpenlyGayOpenlyChristian, you are rehashing arguments that have already been dealt with. And now you are using another deflection instead of sticking to the issue at hand. You are trying to move the argument onto a different topic in hopes of shutting me up.

    The difference between you and me is that I admit I'm a sinner. You seem to cherish your sin. I became a new creation when I accepted Christ. I have repented and changed my ways. No one should divorce except for the reasons that God gives. And those who do divorce should chose a life of celebacy.

    But that does not change the fact that God has said what will happen to those who choose a life of sin without repentance.


    You might wish truth to be relative, but what ever you choose to believe does not actually change the truth, which you apparently will find when you face Christ's judgment.

    I wish all people would accept Christ on His terms and not theirs. Its sad that they dont. But its ther choice. I have lots of experience with people who do what you are doing, and its perfectly understandable. Its just unfortunate those choices to sin affect others in ways I've already discussed.

  • Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:43 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Thank God the Bible is the living word of God and the interpretations can and do change with society...otherwise, as amym14535 says, there are a lot of other things we no longer follow that we should expect to answer for...

    DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
    If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.
    DEUTERONOMY 22:22
    If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.
    MARK 10:1-12
    Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.
    LEVITICUS 18:19
    The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman's period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.
    MARK 12:18-27
    If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
    DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12
    If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.

    wbmoore - are you divorced and remarried? Are you willingly committing adultery and living a life of sin or are you celibate? Since you believe that gays should choose a life of celibacy, why not all those divorced as well?

    How is it that some are allowed to pick and choose what to follow and others aren't allowed to see a different interpretation of scripture. You are free to find your own truth - I have found mine and that is between myself and Jesus Christ.

  • Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    OpenlyGayOpenlyChristian, you're back to accusing me of fear and hate and not loving - simply becaue I don't agree with you. These are simply deflection tactics. They do nothing to help. I'm tired of being accused of not loving gays or being afraid or hating. None of those are true. They aew slanderous. I don't appreciate it.

  • Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:23 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    OpenlyGayOpenlyChristian,

    You're confusing eunuch with homosexual. A eunuch was someone who He could be a man who is missing testicles by some process other than castration, such as crushing, or by atrophy due to illness, or one who was simply born without testicles. Such a eunuch would be, technically speaking, not castrated. But he would still be a eunuch. Such a person does not burn with sexual passion - for men or women.

    A homosexual is a man who lies with a man or a woman who lies with a woman. God defined that are bad. God defined marriage as between a man and a woman.

    Whether or not a homosexual is born that way o not is a rabbit trail. Children are born addicted to crack due to the sins of the parents, but this does not mean its a good thing.

    But even if gay marriage law passes, this does not mean it will be considered marriage in the eyes of God. you an call it daylight outside when its pitch black midnight, and what you call it will not change the truth. the fact of the matter is i'marriage' between a man and a man or a woman and a woman is not what God defined as marriage, therefore, it is not marriage.
    God said any sex between people of the same gender is wrong.

    Romans 1:25-32 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

  • Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The verses in the old testament you quoted show what God feels about sex outside of marriage. The old testament is chock full of concrete examples of spiritual truths. . People thought the law was intended to punish, but in reality, the law was put in place to show the people they were unable to enter heaven on their own.

    Galations 3:19-25, "What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator. A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one. Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe. Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law."

    The law was intended to point us to our need for Christ. The law was fulfilled by Christ's death. Thus, we are no longer bound by the law. However, this does not mean that God feels any differently about sex outside of marriage.

    As for Revelation 21:5-8, its clearly speaking about sexually immoral people going to the lake of Fire - the second death. Sexually immoral speaks to what was considered sexually immoral at the time it was written by the intended audience. It was written to Jews who were aware of what the old testament said concerning sex. And you missed quite a few verses that speak about sexual behavior God does not like.

    sex with animals: Ex 22:19; Lev18:23, 20:15-16
    sex with people of the same gender: Lev 18:22; Lev 20:13; Rom 1:26-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10
    adultery: Gen 20:1-7; Deut 5:18; Heb 13:4
    fornication: 1 Corinthians 6:18; 1 Corinthians 7:2
    incest: Lev 18:6-15; 20; Deut 27:20-23; 1 Cor 5:1-13

  • Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:37 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Wbmoore – thanks for bringing up the subject of Eunuchs. Let’s review the history of the word:

    Word History: The word eunuch does not derive, as one might think, from the operation that produced a eunuch but rather from one of his functions. Eunuch goes back to the Greek word eunoukhos, "a castrated person employed to take charge of the women of a harem and act as chamberlain." The Greek word is derived from eunē, "bed," and ekhein, "to keep." A eunuch, of course, was ideally suited to guard the bedchamber of women as a Eunuch was incapable of having sex with a woman either because of physical or mental castration (otherwise known as a lack of attraction.)

    A Eunuch is one who is incapable of reproduction – is it possible that a Eunuch could be born that way? Most people think of Eunuchs as being castrated males – is it possible that eunuchs could also be incapable of reproduction because they simply lack the sexual desire for women?

    As Christ said in Matthew 19:12
    "For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it."

    Christ answers that question right here: “THERE ARE EUNUCHS WHO WERE BORN THAT WAY FROM THEIR MOTHER’S WOMB; AND THERE ARE EUNUCHS WHO WERE MADE THAT WAY BY MEN.”

    This answers the age old question – are homosexuals born that way or is it environmental? It’s both – Christ said so himself.

    If one is a “Eunuch” and not attracted to someone of the opposite sex, should they be forced to live a life of celibacy?

    God answers this question in Isaiah 56:3-5 when he says that a eunuch is not “only a dry tree.”
    Let no foreigner who has bound himself to the LORD say, “The LORD will surely exclude me from his people." and let not any eunuch complain, "I am only a dry tree." For this is what the LORD says: "To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose what pleases me and hold fast to my covenant - to them I will give within my temple and its walls a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that will not be cut off.

    What if God and Jesus are talking about homosexuals here? That we are promised by him to be given an everlasting name that will not be cut off.

    I love how there are always accusations about how we, the “homosexual community,” are distorting and twisting God’s word for our own benefit. Isn’t it possible that you are doing the same simply to mask your own fears and hatred.

    The Bible has been used for centuries to justify evil – from witch hunts to crusades to supporting slavery in the United States to trying to ban interracial marriage.

    How about we Christians start acting out of love – as our savior would have us do - and place our fear and hatred of others away.

    Is gay marriage really that scary?

  • Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:37 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Arnold is back, and if he approves, well how can I question the wisdom of a Republican?
    This will help all the lawyers that have suffered a loss in business due to co habitation.
    They need homosexuals to hang thier launder out to dry, it has been in the closet so long.
    The fact remains the law is ignored when it will help the average guy, and change to help the Queer guy, because that is the way of evil. Help cancer, addict people to sin, slow death and dependence on unaccountable goverment. Hello Satan.

  • Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:16 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    wbmoore,

    to read the bible is to understand it. in the verse you just provided for me, i see nothing about homosexual behavior. i am NOT saying you are twisting the words or verses of the bible.. i am simply saying i do not think you fully understand what is being taught. also, if this is such an issue.. why do we not go by all of the teachings of the bible? things we NOW consider wrong are stated in the bible to have ACCEPTABLE. such as:

    DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
    If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.
    DEUTERONOMY 22:22
    If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.
    MARK 10:1-12
    Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.
    LEVITICUS 18:19
    The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman's period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.
    MARK 12:18-27
    If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
    DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12
    If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.

    You people really make no sense to me. You seem to pick and choose what scriptures and the bible you want to go by. I think you just use the bible as an excuse, really.

  • Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:32 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Ack, my post is not complete. In the part where I defined what immoral means, I meant to say, it has to do with sex outside of marriage - regardless of gender. And remember in my previous post, God defined marriage as between a man and woman. So, if you can not be marriaged to someone of the opposite gender, then you should be celebate.

  • Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:25 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    amym14535,

    As for homosexuality, in Revelation 21:5-8, God said,
    Then He said to me, "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

    The word used for immoral person is transliterated Pornos. This is defined as
    1. a man who prostitutes his body to another's lust for hire
    2. a male prostitute
    3. a man who indulges in unlawful sexual intercourse, a fornicator
    This is not talking about children, but adults. This is talking about the type of sex God described in the Old Testament as an abomination. I just don’t see how you can get beyond that fact.

    I hear people who justify homosexuality trying to say that if someone does not agree with them, then they are judgemental, juvenile, fearful, hateful, ignorant, lying. That if you tell a lie often enough it will come to be believed. These people are simply using tactics to avoid looking at the truth and trying to deflect what they perceive as attacks. Granted, many HAVE verbally and sometimes physically attacked. I find that repugnant. I am saddened by it, for both sides. No one should be treated poorly. We are all God’s creations and deserve respect and love that reason if for no other (and I find plenty of other reasons for loving folks).

    I’ve got family/friends who are/were gay. I’ve actively participated in homosexual and bisexual activities. I’ve been divorced. I have made my mistakes. But I became a Christian in 1993. I’ve read the Bible through multiple times. I’ve taken college and graduate level coursework in Bible, Theology, and Psychology. I have been, and am being, matured by God and his word and love. I don’t hate homosexuals, some of them I love deeply. I’m not ignorant. I’m not lying. I am not saying being gay makes you a bad person. Nor am I twisting scripture – I’m simply reading it plainly and applying it. I believe that anyone who reads scripture with a true desire to know God and learn what God wants, rather than with a desire to justify their desires or actions, will come away from that experience deeply troubled by the realization that God is loving AND righteous AND jealous AND holy and that He expects people to love and obey Him. I think some of them might even come away from the experience truly changed for the better.

  • Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:21 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    OpenlyGayOpenlyChristian, divorce damages the adults, children, and society. I believe what the Bible says.
    Matthew 12:3-12 reads, “Some Pharisees came to Jesus, testing Him and asking, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason at all?" And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate. They said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY?" He said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery. The disciples said to Him, "If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry." But He said to them, "Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it."
    Jesus did not mention homosexual marriage, not because homosexuality did not exist as it does today (the Greeks and Romans both had it, and not just pedophilia) but God calls it sin, and Jesus was not going to teach people to sin. The people in the audience did not face that issue at that time, so there was no need to address it. But we can see from what Jesus DID say how he felt about things. 1. Jesus said mankind is created male and female and should marry each other. 2. Moses permitted divorce because of the hardness of heart of the people, but it was not that way in the beginning and should not be that way. 3. The only reason to divorce is for infidelity. 4. The only thing to do when not married is to remain celibate.

    I think selfishness is the root of many of the problems in our society, including materialism, abuse, divorce, addictions and sex outside of marriage, be it heterosexual or homosexual. We need to find ways to help people move away from selfishness. Society needs to protect people from harmful actions and help others grow in positive meaningful ways. We need to help people feel and express the God’s love. Then the other problems will fall away. But laws punish lawbreakers as well as say what society thinks is right and wrong. Selfish people in society decided that divorce is acceptable, and Christians did not speak up, so laws were changed to encourage easy ‘no fault’ divorce. This has damaged society.

  • Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 8

    I have also posted a comment on the article about Tila Tequila's bi-sexual television show on MTV & would like to say I myself am not Gay. But, I do support Gay Pride and all homosexual's. My Uncle is Gay and he is an amazing person. I love him with my whole heart. I also love his "life partner" (since they are FORBIDDEN to be married because of NAIVE individuals such as yourselves) & his "life partner's" children (2 beautiful, normal, women raised by him & his ex-wife). This is the reason I care so much about my stance on homosexuality and their rights. I don't believe many of you "Christians" have fully READ and UNDERSTOOD the bible in the sense most of you are saying because I myself have not read the WHOLE bible.. but, because of how much I believe in Gay rights.. I have read and read and searched for a VERSE in the bible where Jesus says something about same sex behaviors. Please, someone show me this verse. And if there is such a verse, please.. tell me why Jesus himself would be so hypocritical because He says He loves all the little children. Whether it is ACTUALLY in the bible or not, though, is not really MY concern.. my real concern is all you people claiming to be "Christian" yet turning right around, in the face of God and everyone around you & too being judgemental. All you people really are is scared. You're all scared of homosexuality like it is a disease which could be caught at the simple thought of 2 women or 2 men marrying. You should all face it. There are Gays and Lesbians out there. Some of you's Children will be gay. Maybe someone who is reading this right now's Grandchild will be gay. Will you stop loving them for this? Do you think they should have the right to live how they want.. Express their TRUE selves? But I know none of you will know until this happens to you.. & maybe it will. All I'm asking is that SOME of you realize, that this is NOT a choice for anyone.. to be gay or straight. This is determined at birth. It's just the way it is. My God does not make mistakes, homosexual's are not mistakes. They are God's children and they are some of the most amazing yet misunderstood individuals. God is simply testing you "Christians".. if you think about it long enough.. you will understand this test.. I hope before it's too late.

    & once again.. I pray for you Judgemental "Christians" (<--oxymoron).

  • Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:26 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    OpenlyGayChristian said "if you truly believe in family values and supporting children, don't you think it's more important to allow us to be in a legal committed relationship?"

    Family values include valuing what God called a family and not embracing what God called sin. I think its important to protect children from being taught something God calls evil is good. A family as defined by God is a man and wife put together by Him. God has said that the sins of the parents will be visited upon the third and fourth generation - I'd like to protect the children from the parents acting against what God has decreed. Its not important to make it easy for people to go against what God desires, regardless of how thy feel about each other.

    "Gays exist. Gays have children and families. Shouldn't our priority here be the welfare of the family and the ability to provide a stable supportive environment for these children? My focus in life will soon be on the safety and support of my children."

    Yes, Gays exist. The focus should be on lovingly protecting children from sin and its effects, not in calling two men or two women a family and trying to justify what God calls sin. In the case where children are affected by people who choose to go against what God says, it will have lasting effects. I dont think we should purposely harm people who are living in sin, but neither do I think we should make it easier for them to continue a life of sin.

    "Isn't gay marriage more about allowing families the same legal protections that everyone should have?"
    Perhaps for you, but for me, its about not condoning what God calls sin. Its about not encouraging or embracing what God calls bad behavior. Its about doing what I can to prevent society from getting worse.

    Children often justify their bad behavior by saying it is what they wanted to do - this does not make what they did a good idea. We should not ignore feelings, but neither should one's feelings be the driving force of one's actions or decisions. Feelings do not always reflect reality. - only our perception of reality as seen through consequences of our experiences in our minds and hearts. Sin is often pleasurable as we harden our hearts and become calloused. That does not make it a good thing to do.

    God's word should be the first and last guide for how we live, and we need to work to bring our hearts (and emotions) into line with God. Christians are to obey God. Paul said in Ephesians 4:17-19, "So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind, being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart; and they, having become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness."

  • Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:43 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 1

    Just because someone says something does not make it so, even if they believe it. There are plenty of people who go to church and call Christ Savior and Lord, but when you look at their lives, its evident that they do not love God. To be a Christian involves following Christ - believing in Him and obeying God. As for living a lifestyle of sin and claiming Christ as Savior, Christ said in Matthew 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

    Acts 26:20, First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.

    James 2:14-17, What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

    Acts 5:29, Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

    Hebrews 5:9, And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

    1 John 3:7-10, Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

    Its about love and obedience. If you say you love, but you do not obey, then its not true love, because you love youself more than God. We must love GOD more than anything and anyone - including ourselves, and we must obey him. We must love.

    And loving someone does not mean allowing them to do something that is damaging them. It means helping them; it means confronting them gently with truth; it means not condoning bad behavior or a bad condition of heart; it means not judging the person to be bad or beneath you but to judge the behavior and evidence of the condition of their heart.

    But ultimately, we have to love (God and our brothers) and obey (God).

  • Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:32 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 1

    Focusing on homosexuality has only come up since homosexuality came to the forefront of our society. We have to deal with each sin as it manifests in our lives, individually. And from my perspective, homosexuality is no worse or better than any other sin. I've been bisexual in the past - when my life was ruled by me and not Christ. But as I've grown in my walk with christ and my understanding of the word of God, I have come to leave sin after sin behind. And God

    Each of us needs to do this. In the process, we need to find ways of sharing God's love with all sinners, including liars, the sexually immoral, liars, and others who live patterns of sin. But we also have to not let people call good what God has called evil. Most people recorgnize that murder and rape are sins. So people do not try to step forward and demand to be allowed to do them.

    Just because Christ did not focus on homosexuality is no reason to think he thought it was ok. He dealt with issues of the heart with some concrete examples. He mentioned problems that were common in that day. No, Christ did not mention homosexaulity directly, but He didn't mention rape either. I don't hear homosexuals justifying that sin. Nor do I hear rapists coming forward saying they ought to have a right to rape.

    Sin is sin, and it is God who decides what constitutes sin. We have the responsibility to ensure society is no damaged by people trying to justify their selfish behavior (personally, I think its too late for this, as homosexuality is simply one manefestation of this problem).

    As society continues to move in a direction against God, it becomes increasingly difficult not be adversely affected by blatant manefestations of sin. While I am responsible for myself, this does not obviate the effect of society accepting sin has on me. The same is true for anyone attempting to raise children in this society. It becomes increasingly difficult to teach God's standards and expect children (whose ideas and morals are formed by what they see, hear, and experience) to embrace those ideals. If one beleves the word of God about needing faith in Christ that is softens the heart and is reflected in a positviely changed life (James and Paul both said we need to repent - which means change - and live lives that reflect that change). It

    So that's why I think Bible believing Christians focus on the issue at all. I doubt it would be an issue for many of us if there wasn't this tiny but loudly vocal group trying to get us to embrace (not just tolerate) this particular sin.

  • Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:10 am Agree: 13   Disagree: 2

    Pastor Leo summed it up good saying an openly gay Christian is an oxymoron. Jesus said: go and sin no more. If you commit sodomy and have no intention of stopping, dont call yourself a Christian. A Christian is one who follows and obeys the teachings of the bible, not one who proudly commits fornication.

  • Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:53 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 12

    To bring this to a more personal level...my partner and I have been in a loving and committed relationship for almost 9 years. We are in the process of adopting a child right now and will be starting a family soon. I understand that many of you are disgusted by our relationship and that you would prefer us to not be together - but if you truly believe in family values and supporting children, don't you think it's more important to allow us to be in a legal committed relationship?

    The fact of the matter is - Gays exist. Gays have children and families. Shouldn't our priority here be the welfare of the family and the ability to provide a stable supportive environment for these children? My focus in life will soon be on the safety and support of my children. Regardless of whether or not you agree with my "lifestyle," isn't gay marriage more about allowing families the same legal protections that everyone should have?

  • Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:33 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 12

    At the time in history when the Bible was written, gays did not have meaningful, committed, adult relationships - it just didn't exist. Turning to the New Testament, the writings of the Apostle Paul at first lend credence to the notion that homosexuality is a sin, until you consider that Paul most likely is referring to the Roman practice of pederasty, a form of pedophilia common in the ancient world. Successful older men often took boys into their homes as concubines, lovers or sexual slaves. Today, such sexual exploitation of minors is no longer tolerated (and obviously should NOT be). The point is that the sort of long-term, committed, same-sex relationships that are being debated today are not addressed in the New Testament. It distorts the biblical witness to apply verses written in one historical context (i.e. sexual exploitation of children) to contemporary situations between two monogamous partners of the same sex. Sexual promiscuity is condemned by the Bible whether it's between gays or straights. Sexual fidelity is not.

    For those who have lingering doubts, dust off your Bibles and take a few hours to reacquaint yourself with the teachings of Jesus. You won't find a single reference to homosexuality. There are teachings on money, lust, revenge, divorce, fasting and a thousand other subjects, but there is nothing on homosexuality. Strange, don't you think, if being gay were such a moral threat? These days, we are facing much bigger moral threats and I just don't understand why everyone is so threatened by homosexuals.

    Christ says in Matthew 19:9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

    I find it odd that we spend so much time talking about homosexuality when it's not included in any of Christ's teachings. According to Christ, any man who divorces his wife and marries another is committing adultery - since the adulterers will not inherit the kingdom of God, why are there not more sermons abouth the fact that every divorced and remarried man will be spending eternity in Hell? Divorce is obviously a much bigger problem in our country than the homosexuals - how about we spend some time working on what Christ cared about.

    Matthew 7:1-3 Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

  • Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:21 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ok, in my part 1, I said we are to discern right and avoid that, I meant "we are to discern right and wrong and avoid wrong"

  • Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:16 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Part 2-
    God does indeed hate - he hates sin. But people who live patterns of sin have convinced themselves otherwise.
    Psalm 361:-3 1 An oracle is within my heart concerning the sinfulness of the wicked: There is no fear of God before his eyes. 2 For in his own eyes he flatters himself too much to detect or hate his sin. 3 The words of his mouth are wicked and deceitful; he has ceased to be wise and to do good.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

    Jesus did not say to not judge, he said to not be a hypocrite.
    Matthew 7:1-5
    1 "Do not judge or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

    We are to judge what is right or wrong.
    Luke 12:57
    Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right?

    Romans 12:9
    Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.

    We are to discern what is right and avoid that, and obey Christ’s teaching.

  • Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:15 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 1

    part 1:
    Someone said God does not hate and tried to rationalize this position. The problem is, when we try to understand God from our limited knowledge and understanding and bias, we will often be wrong. So to avoid this, we go to the word of God. The law has been fulfilled and we are no longer under the law, but we can certainly use it to see examples of what Gods likes and does not like from both the old and new testaments.

    Now, having said that, God's word says He hates.

    Deuteronomy 12:31a You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates

    Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

    Malachi 2:16 "I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel, "and I hate a man's covering himself with violence as well as with his garment," says the LORD Almighty.

    Deuteronomy 22:5 A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this.

    Deuteronomy 25:16 For the LORD your God detests anyone who does these things, anyone who deals dishonestly.

    Zechariah 8:17 “do not plot evil against your neighbor, and do not love to swear falsely. I hate all this," declares the LORD.

    Luke 16:15 He said to them, "You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in God's sight.”
    Revelation 2:6
    But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

    God does indeed hate - he hates sin.

  • Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:27 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 2

    Someone asked about homosexuality as being or not being a choice: I personally can testify it is a choice. For many years I chose that lifestyle and finally, I realized what a deadend it was and chose to be straight.(BTW, the overwhelming majority of homosexuals I got to know are desperately unhappy in their lifestyle but are afraid to even attempt to change). What I hate about Christians in most of the mainstream church is that they fawn over the issue as if being homosexual is brave in such an intolerant world - this makes it feel to me that I am NOT supported in my endeavor to pursue a pure and biblical lifestyle. In other words, supposedly well-meaning Christians are harming me and trying to justify their actions by calling it tolerance. It is a tolerance for death and nothing else!

    As to why anyone would choose the life - homosexuality is seductive and it feels good to have a fraternity of like minds always affirming your choices.But afterawhile the lifestyle is so VERY beguiling that only the strongest person can will themselves out of it. And then it indeed seems that you really didn't have a choice but that you were born with it. Nothing could be further from the ttruth. And the studies that show otherwise fail to take into account this aspect of self-fulfilling prophesy.

    The bottom line however, is that if one decides to rationalize homosexuality he can find myriad studies that support his choice. Only one study counts in the end.

  • Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:56 am Agree: 11   Disagree: 3

    A homosexual Christian is an oxymoron! A openly sinning person is not a Christian because Jesus is not Lord of the willful sinner. Jesus did not have to say anything about homosexuality because enough had already been said by His Father. Jesus did not say anything about having sex with a child, so does that make it a blessing, or is it an abomination just as homosexuality is an abomination to God? Those who are saved obey God not their feelings.

    Pervert, play with, ignore, and distort the Bible all you want, but it will never condone willful sinning or those who call the Word of God a lie.

    Pastor Leo Bogee
    World Christian Leadership & Training Ministries
    ( www.wclandtm.com )

  • Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:03 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    If the Old Testament was the only place one found that said homosexuality was wrong, then you could have had a mildly good argument, considering the law. But, we are no longer under the law, not to say we shouldn't strive to do what is right. But since homosexuality is also found in the New Tesament to be a sin against God and that no one who practices it will get into heaven, that blows your whole argument out of the water. Try 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10, where it says that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. Also 1 Timothy 1:8-11.

  • Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:15 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 13

    Wow - as someone who has been a Christian for almost 30 years and was baptized in the Holy Spirit more than 15 years ago, I am amazaed at the amount of God's love (or lack of) that is poured out in most of these comments. For those of you quoting Leviticus, I'd take another look at that book. I'm guessing you also eat pork, shrimp and/or lobster - all of them unclean and abominations. Why is it that we can selectively pick and choose what we follow?

    I've always asked myself - if homosexuality is so wrong, why did Jesus never, not once, refer to it??? For we, as Christians, pay particular attention to the words of our savior. Jesus said nothing regarding homosexuality, and in his ministry spoke more about the sins of the spirit than the sins of the body.

    How often does the Bible refer to helping the poor? How many of us give up our daily Stabucks fix to help those less fortunate? Maybe we should concentrate on the things Christ felt was important and leave mature, loving couples alone.

  • Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:29 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 4

    Wow...what a trip....

    rx7ward: While God made you, He did NOT make you gay. You made you gay. It's a choice. You are not born gay. It's a learned behavior just like any other sexually deviant behavior. Furthermore, homosexuality is not just a detestable sin, it's an abomination, it says so in Leviticus 18:22. As for "transsexualism" see Deuteronomy 22:5..it's quite clear what God thought about that. If God made people gay, then He would have been wrong for removing Sodom and Gomorrah from existence and they'd still be on the map. However the Bible once again shows how that sat with the Creator. I think 1st Corinthians 6:9 says it most clearly.

    homosexuals are simply trying to justify their behavior under the guise of marriage. We (true Christians) all know what the outcome will be.

    Oh and for the record, God made these statements in His word, not us Christians. While you can shoot the messengers, you will never escape the truth of what He laid out well before you and I came on the scene.

  • Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:20 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 1

    "If you love the Jesus of the Bible, keep his word"
    His word also says that it is an abomination for man to lie with man. Funny how the proponents of sin pick and choose bible verses.

  • Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 9

    Ha! I just find it hilarious that rx7ward does nothing but QUOTE JESUS, and he gets a thumbs down from some "Christian" bigot. You people crack me up.

  • Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:04 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 5

    "If you love the Jesus of the Bible, keep his word"

    Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. ~Matthew 7:1-2

  • Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:02 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 11

    "to hate the deeds that God hates"

    God does not hate. To claim that He does is the ultimate sin.

    Since God created everything that exists, and since He rules over all of His creation, what need would He have to hate anything? Certainly He has not created something that is hateful to His own eyes: why would He? For He is a loving God, and would never create something that He must hate.

  • Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:52 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 4

    The God of the Bible does in fact hate both the sin and the unregenerate sinner (psalm 5:5, psalm11:5). Even so, man is not God that we can both love and hate someone. Therefore, we are called to love in the truth of the Bible and to hate the deeds that God hates as they are written. The practice of homosexuality would apply here just the same as adultery would. The Bible defines it as a detestable, or abominable, disgusting thing in Leviticus 20:13. Furthermore, in Galatians 5:19-21 we read that the sexually immoral will not go to heaven. The Greek word for sexually immoral is porneia which speaks to illicit sex or sexual acts outside of marriage. Thankfully the Bible also defines marriage very early on in Genesis 2:22-24 as a union between a man and a woman. With this in mind, whether someone believes homosexuality to be a sin or not, it is clearly sex outside of marriage as defined by the Bible and the person who practices these deeds will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. If you love the Jesus of the Bible, keep his word (John 14:23).

  • Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:19 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 10

    "The person that is a homosexual has chosen to be a homosexual."

    Why would anyone choose such a thing for themselves?

    Where do you get this information? I think you are wrong about this; do you have proof or evidence that what you claim is correct? I can produce piles that show that you are not ...

  • Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:30 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    God did create man and woman. But Adam and Eve rebelled against God and brought sin into the world. Sin began when Lucifer became prideful and thought to overthrow God. Lucifer (Satan) goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may destroy. Sin is a product of Satan, not God. Every good and perfect gift comes from the Father of lights in whom there is no shadow of turning. We have our life through God, but God made us agents of free choice. God does not make a person homosexual. God does not make a person adulterous. God does not make a person a liar. God does not make a person a thief. The person that is a homosexual has chosen to be a homosexual. A homosexual's outcry that Christians try to convince everyone else that "true love" involves bigotry and hate has either been around the wrong Christians or either they are totally self deceived. 1 John 1:5,6 “This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:”

  • Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:30 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 4

    God did create man and woman. But Adam and Eve rebelled against God and brought sin into the world. Sin began when Lucifer became prideful and thought to overthrow God. Lucifer (Satan) goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may destroy. Sin is a product of Satan, not God. Every good and perfect gift comes from the Father of lights in whom there is no shadow of turning. We have our life through God, but God made us agents of free choice. God does not make a person homosexual. God does not make a person adulterous. God does not make a person a liar. God does not make a person a thief. The person that is a homosexual has chosen to be a homosexual. A homosexual's outcry that Christians try to convince everyone else that "true love" involves bigotry and hate has either been around the wrong Christians or either they are totally self deceived. 1 John 1:5,6 “This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:”

  • Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:06 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 5

    "VOTE FOR SODOMY!!" Is that what the ad will say? What else could it say when it is asking people to vote for a disgusting dirty lifestyle. Pray that decency wins out.

  • Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:37 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 6

    I wish so-called "Christians" would stop trying to convince everyone else that "true love" involves bigotry and hate. God doesn't hate anyone. Being gay is not a "weakness," it is merely a condition of some people's lives.The "sin" that you should hate is your own intolerance. Being gay is not a sin. God made us all, including gay people, and God does not make mistakes!

  • Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:53 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 4

    it's crystal clear. homosexuality is a sin. we don't hate the people but we hate the sin. I hope more Christians can continue to embrace gay and help them with love in order for them to overcome their weaknesses. We are all one in this game. Yet, we still got to be strict in where we have to be strict. Because that's true love.

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