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Opinion|Sat, Oct. 13 2007 06:57 AM EDT

Would Jesus 'Stone' a Homosexual?

By The Christian Post|

Christians in America may be soon witnessing a larger push to reveal the love of God in their lives and to think twice about how they confront sin – especially after a recent Barna survey found that just 16 percent of non-Christians in their late teens and twenties said they have a “good impression” of Christianity.

More specifically, most young non-Christians who The Barna Group approached said they felt Christianity is judgmental (87 percent), hypocritical (85 percent), and too involved in politics (75 percent), among other negative perceptions.

Furthermore, 91 percent of young non-Christians and 80 percent of young churchgoers say present-day Christianity is "anti-homosexual."

"As the research probed this perception, non-Christians and Christians explained that beyond their recognition that Christians oppose homosexuality, they believe that Christians show excessive contempt and unloving attitudes towards gays and lesbians," the Barna report stated.

Young Christians largely criticize churches, saying they have made homosexuality a "bigger sin" than anything else and that churches have not helped them apply the biblical teaching on homosexuality to their friendships with gays and lesbians.

Amid news of the report, many Christian leaders are reminding believers of the greatest commandment given to them by God.

"Often Christians think that to love a homosexual is a compromise of their Christianity, that somehow their love would be misconstrued as condoning homosexuality," according to Christine Sneeringer, director of Worthy Creations, a ministry of Exodus International – one of the nation's largest organizations dealing with homosexuality.

But Christians are called to love their neighbor, she recalls, while also pointing out that a Christian's message must balance love and truth – the truth being that homosexuality is a sin.

Tim Wilkins, an ex-gay Baptist, also teaches congregations across the country that the Church has a responsibility to proclaim that homosexuality is a sin. At the same time, however, he tells them they have a responsibility to share the redemptive message of Christ.

"Homosexuality is a sin and freedom from same-sex attractions is available through Jesus Christ," he says.

Some more liberal Christians, however, in their push to embrace homosexual persons, have gone too far and have strayed from the foundation laid by the Bible.

Presbyterian theologian Jack Rogers, for example, is visiting several churches this fall refuting the common Christian interpretation of the Bible that Jesus and Scripture opposes homosexuality.

The professor of Theology Emeritus at San Francisco Theological Seminary is trying to get a positive word out in Christian churches about the gay and lesbian community and thinks churches should be leading the charge for their equal rights.

“I’m trying to help people understand that the Bible rightly interpreted, which I would think is through the lens of Jesus’ redemptive life and ministry ... does not condemn Christian people who are gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered," said Rogers, according to The Lawrence Journal-World.

Rogers acknowledges in his book, “Jesus, the Bible and Homosexuality: Explode the Myths, Heal the Church,” that he has not specialized in the issue of homosexuality as a biblical scholar. Still, he says those who argue that the Bible condemns gays and lesbians are taking biblical literalism too far and feels there is excessively negative words in the religious community, according to the Journal-World.

Another Christian leader who is making a push for the equal rights of homosexuals is Episcopal Church Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori, whose denomination has riled the worldwide Anglican Communion with its unwavering support for sexually active gay clergy and the blessing of same-sex couples. Continue >>

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  • Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jesus Christ would not stone a homosexual as long as a homosexual decides to refrain from homosexual act and seeks pardon in the name of God.

  • Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    aberdeen,

    At best, you are confused. God did not say all sexuality is sinful. He said some types of sex are sinful.

    Romans 14:23b
    everything that does not come from faith is sin.

    James 4:17
    Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins.

    Ephesians 5:11
    Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

    1 Corinthians 5:11
    But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

    Psalm 361:-3 1 An oracle is within my heart concerning the sinfulness of the wicked: There is no fear of God before his eyes. 2 For in his own eyes he flatters himself too much to detect or hate his sin. 3 The words of his mouth are wicked and deceitful; he has ceased to be wise and to do good.

    This is from the mouth of Christ:
    Luke 16:15 He said to them, "You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in God's sight.”

    So often we want to embrace our sin and justify ourselves instead of embrace truth and recognize and reject our sin.

    Jesus would not have stoned someone, as His time had not yet come. He would be patient, waiting for people to come to Him. However, there will come a time when God's patience will be at its limit. At that time, Jesus will judge everyone, and the one's who do not love Him, and show their love through obedience, will be sent to the lake of Fire, the second death.

    2 Timothy 4:1-3
    1 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

    Rev 20:11-15
    11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:15 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    According to the Letter to Romans, all human beings are sinners and thus, all human sexuality is sinful. It doesn't surprise me that non-Christians believe you condemn homosexuals, because anytime you place your own sexuality as being better than anyone else's, you are condemning them, as most certainly the author of the Letter to Romans agrees: "Therefore, you are inexcusable" whoever judges another.

    One might also ask, Who Would Jesus Bomb?, Who Would Jesus Hate and brand an "illegal"?, Whose Health Care Would Jesus Cut?, Would Jesus Pretend to Care About the Unborn While Ignoring the Sick and Poor Who are Already Born? Would Jesus Ignore the Environment of Our Children's Future? And, etc...

    Richard Aberdeen
    www.FreedomTracks.com

  • Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:33 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    The Bible wasn't written by God nor was it written by Jesus. The bible was written by men. It has it's strengths and it's discrepancies. You should take in with a grain of salt. In addition, there are thousands of ways to interpret the bible.

  • Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:04 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Jesus was never "cool with" any form of immorality.

  • Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:01 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    Lev 20:13, If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death....

    One day the Lords says gays are an abdomination and shall surely be put to death, the next day Jesus is cool with them. Sounds like a flip flop to me...

  • Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:26 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Of course Jesus wouldn't stone a homosexual; He didn't advocate the stoning of the woman who was caught in adultery. (It should be noted that her accusers did violate the Jewish law by bringing only her and not the adulterous man, as well.) What Jesus WOULD do is what He DID do. He would offer forgiveness of sin and, if it were received with repentance, He would then say, "Go and sin no more."

  • Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ifeelfine72, you are mistaken when you say there are no Bible-believing Christians. Every supposed example you gave was derived from the old covenant, to which present-day Christians are not subject. You neglected the new covenant entirely. A study of the book of Hebrews would be very helpful for clarification.

  • Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ifeelfine72 i hope this answers your question>



    to the author of the above article and those who agree with him.



    "Some more liberal Christians, however, in their push to embrace homosexual persons, have gone too far and have strayed from the foundation laid by the Bible".



    ithess says test everything, keep the good. slavery which was acceptable under the



    with covenants before christ and socialogically, slavery was an acceptable means for the distribution of wealth and power. but with the covenant of christ came, in addition to loving ones neighbor, came loving ones enemy as well. and no more was credit given for loving those who loved us , but instead for loving those who didnt love us. because of this the understanding of the commandment was now,.. to love everyone. thru this came the umderstanding of individual rights. tested thru all this, slavery now became an unacceptable evil. however it took almost 2000 years, for that love understanding not to be limited by ethnicity or nationality.........ergo the unacceptability of slavery.



    note the testing came not from a remunerating of scripture or traditional teaching but came thru fellowship with those who were victims of our limitating understanding of love. because test comes thru fellowship........"which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—"

  • Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    continued

    1 john "if we walk in the light as he is in the light we have fellow3ship with one another.........."



    "john16:12I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.



    so, aside from the fact those who condemn homosexuality as a sin cannot explain, how the scriptures they stand on, say homosexuality is a sin. or say what is the spirit of the essence of the spirit of homosexuality, that it would come against the spirit of christ and love your neighbor as yourself.



    my question is again. in the spirit of "test everything , but keep the good." what is your fellowship test ( thru the holy spirit) with those who you condemn as sinners



    have you really looked at them............have you listened to their hearts.......allowed them to touch you, and allowed yourself to touch them. emotionally,physically, etc, ( honoring their life experiences)







    "Some more liberal Christians, however, in their push to embrace homosexual persons, have gone too far and have strayed from the foundation laid by the Bible".



    these christians who were labeled in an attempt to discredit them, have made a fellowship test with homosexuals, and have found no essence of sin in the orientation.



    the author who wrote the above article, and those who agree with him........ what is your test?

  • Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Someone earlier noted that Jesus stood up to the money changers, etc. He did. Notice that he always stood up for the least amongst us (the blind, crippled, poor, etc) and spoke out against those in power (money changers, the rich, etc). He spoke Truth to power and that is why he was killed.

    As for the actual content of the article:

    "More specifically, most young non-Christians who The Barna Group approached said they felt Christianity is judgmental (87 percent), hypocritical (85 percent), and too involved in politics (75 percent), among other negative perceptions."

    I'm a Christian and couldn't agree more with that assessment.

  • Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    chk555 - where did you get your psychology degree from? Pre-homosexuality? That is absolutely ridiculous.

    Nobody takes the Bible literally. No one. Show me a "Bible believing Christian" and I'll show you a liar.

    The fact is, we all interpret it according to our own agenda. Mainstream Christianity doesn't endorse polygamy, marrying the very young, widowed women getting pregnant by their deceased husband's brother, slavery, concubinage, no intercourse within seven days of menses, stoning women who commit adultry, etc and yet the Bible endorses and in some instances even mandates these things.

    Look, abolitionists during the mid-1800's certainly didn't have the Bible on their side (it was more on the side of the slave owners) and yet that movement was rooted in Christian faith. All I'm saying is that the cultural interpretation of the Bible has changed over time and based on our understanding of things.

    I'm sure someone will trot out a passage about the inerrancy of the Bible or how it never changes - but it has and our interpretation of it does too.

  • Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    homosexuals marry. so are so merely speaking against the unmarried. if heterosexuals can sinfully lust why should not homosexuals do the same. in either case does that invalidate the orientation.





    if you think homosexuality is a sin, what is the spirit(our battle being against powers and principalities) of the essence of homosexuality that it would come against love of the father, love of neighbor and self, and fulfillment of the law, which is love.



    in regard to obedience we obey that which we love, and obedience, according to scripture that is without love, is nothing. scripture says we see in part through a glass darkly, a poor reflection. why is it that believers knowing this, allow their understanding of the law to influence who they will fellowship with, when scripture says.....................



    "if we walk in the light as he is in the light we will have fellowship with one another, and the blood of christ purifies us from all sin"



    when we fellowship, regardles with whom we fellowship, we are covered and protected by the blood of christ.



    part of fellowship is honoring the life experiences of another............that is ,yes,........ this was felt, this was received, yes, this was experienced

  • Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:54 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "That's the will of the Father to abstain from sexual immorality, which equals no sex outside marriage for anybody striaght or gay. It is a sin."





    how do you make the leap from hebrews and mark............................and without any annotation.



    sexual immorality would be any sexual behavior that comes against love of neighbor and love of self.


    ." In John 15 He says If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as i have obeyed my Fathers commands and remain in His love. What are Jesus commands? Same as Gods. John 1 sasy that Jesus is the word and again Jesus said not one jot or tittle will go away till heaven and earth pass away."



    Romans 13:10
    Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law



    if love is the fulfullment of the law then anything.............anything that is without love, ....ANYTHING DONE without love of neighbor and self, love of god, and loving ONE ANOTHER. is against the fufillment of the law. with love comes fellowship...........loving that which god loves and gave his son to save.



    yet heterisexual believers refuse any fellowship with homosexual believers.



    1 John 2:9
    Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness.
    1 John 2:8-10 (in Context) 1 John 2 (Whole Chapter)
    1 John 2:11
    But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness; he does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded him.
    1 John 2:10-12 (in Context) 1 John 2 (Whole Chapter)
    1 John 3:15
    Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.
    1 John 3:14-16 (in Context) 1 John 3 (Whole Chapter)
    1 John 4:20
    If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he
    the response of believers to those who are gay, even gay believers, those, who share the same inheritance. instead of fellowship in christ acknowledging the glory that both share, they deem pariahs, over a disagreement on a point, on an interpretation, in the law. rejecting without any witness(which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched), without any test of the spirit.........................for a belief system that stands on the law which scripture says is imperfection, instead of on christ which is perfection.





    my personal opinion is that because of centuries of institutional and societal bashing passed from generation to generation,, apart from anything to do with the law, some believers refuse to believe that anything homosexual, lesbian, or transgender could possibly be acceptable to the god of the faith they have invested their lives.

  • Tom »
    Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Continuing on Now what about this love thing that has been battered about. In Hebrews it says that Jesus became the author of eternal life to those who obey Him. What does this obey mean? Jesus said in Matt 12:46-50 and in Mark 3:35 "While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, waiting to speak to Him/ Someone told Him your mother and brother are standing outside, wanting to speak to you. He replied to him Who is my mother and who are mr brothers? Pointing to His disciples, he said. Here is my mother and brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother. What is Gods will--- Some of His will is explained in 1st Thess. 4:2-4 "It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexaul immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is Holy and honorable" That's the will of the Father to abstain from sexaul immorality, which equals no sex outside marriage for anybody striaght or gay. It is a sin.
    So now about love. 1st commandment, greatest commandment, Love the Lord God with all your heart,soul,mind,strength. How do we do this? Jesus said Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father and I too will love him and show myself to him. John 14:21. In John 15 He says If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as i have obeyed my Fathers commands and remain in His love. What are Jesus commands? Same as Gods. John 1 sasy that Jesus is the word and again Jesus said not one jot or tittle will go away till heaven and earth pass away. So it all seems simple to me. I am not thiinking for God or reading His mind or judging anybody., but this is what God's word says. You can reject it or accept it but I will stand on His word for I know that it is true. Gods Blessing on you and ypurs
    In Christ
    Tom

  • Tom »
    Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    To continue on. 1st Is Homesexuality a sin? If we all agree that even lusting in our thoughts can be a sin as Jesus says in Matt 5:28, and if we can say that any sexaul sin outside of marraige is a sin whether it be and actual event or just thinking about then we can come to the conclusion that yes Homosexaulity is a sin. How? Jesus said in Mark 10:8 and Eph.5:31 The we were created female and male and the man will leave his mopn and dad to be untied with his wife and the two will be one. Seems pretty simple to me.

  • Tom »
    Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I have been watching this debate back and forth about whether or not Jesus would stone a Homosexaul and it has been interesting to read the comments. Here are my thoughts.

  • Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:51 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    im merely asking for evidence to show, that scripture does say homosexuality is a sin..........thru explanations of romans 1:24-27, the vagueness 1cor and 1tim.."defiling onesself with mankind(the original translation), the gang rape of lev, that sins committed in the commission of same sex acts no more condemns homosexuality than the incestial rape of 2 samuel condemns heterosexuality, and that not all prohibitions in lev were of themselves sins.(including some that were not sins then are sins today like slavery)

    what i have received have been explanations that have assumed to know the mind of god, which is totally unscriptural even antiscriptural and other explanations that without annotation.

    on a secular level there have been given no credible evidence to show that homosexuality is nothing other than a form of human bonding, and that whatever negatives happen in this bonding is not about the orientation but the people involved......the same as in heterosexuality

  • Tom »
    Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:22 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    What would it take to convince you Feet you seem to want it both ways. We have given you the word of God and the evidence from a human prespective. I think you just refuse to see the and admit the truth that is there.

  • Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    aside from asuming you know the mind of god...................his intentions and design,. and making a sociallogical judgement on normal and making it a sin issue with no scriptural annotation whatsoever., you have not answered my other questions.

  • Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:04 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Why and how is homosexuality a sin is a fair question. Homosexuality is a sin because it violates God's will and plan for the human family. Homosexuality violates God's design.
    Homosexual behavior is NOT normal. What is normal? Who is to say what normal is? Normal is function according to design. Homosexual behavior violates God's design for human sexuality, procreation, and the family. Homosexuals cannot have children naturally (as designed) without modern medical help, or adoption, or some other surrogate means.
    Homosexual behavior denies a child either a Father or a Mother. We all know the social and moral disaster that has befallen our society when children are denied a father, now the homosexual lobby wants to further the failure by denying many children a female mother by having two daddy's. Men and woman are different, and being raised by that difference is vital for healthy child development.
    Homosexuality is caused by a combination of genetic and environmental abnormalities. A boy may be born with a predisposition to emotional sensitivity, artistic talents, and expression; couple that with a distant, abusive, or nonexistent father; then add the teasing and ridicule of more aggressive and athletic boys. Combined these lead to what is known as the pre-homosexual syndrome.
    The good news is that this syndrome and the homosexuality to which it leads are preventable. Preventing Homosexuality by Nicholosi is a wonderful guide for parents who want their children to have a normal psychosexual development. This guide can be found at www.narth.com.

  • Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:03 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    are those that think homosexuality is a sin trying to retreat back to the time of job when, where one observing the tragedy in a man's life would conclude that it was because he had sinned. instead today it is a believer's intention upon looking on a homosexual to conclude that he is of this orientation, because he exchanged some truth for a lie and worshipped and served the created.

    will you conclude that for a child, by saying his father sinned. (even though in scripture there is no such case)will you conclude that for a fellow cradle believer, that he obviously lies when he says he worships and serves jesus as his savior.

  • Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:58 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    jc4me

    if you believe that homosexuality is a sin, then please explain how it is a sin, why it is a sin.

    to strengthen your position you appear to be crediting yourself with knowing the mind of god. when scripture says only the holy spirit knows the mind of god. it says that man sees but a poor reflection.



    in terms of spirit, how does homosexuality come against the spirit of christ ...christ who are all things have been put under. christ,who the father gave everything he had......christ who withholds nothing from us.



    how does it come against love your neighbor as yourself, which is the summation of ALL the law, and against loving one another which the fullfillment of the law.



    in romans 1:24 what lie was exchanged for what truth, and how did they worship the created so that they were given over to homosexuality. and how does that apply to children who show a disposition to that orientation at an early age or to believers who having been raised in the church came to know christ long before they were aware of their orientation?

  • Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:45 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    It is no wonder to me why so many young people today have such a negative attitude toward Christians when so much media is devoted portraying Christians as mindless, bigoted, homophobes and worse.

    It is no wonder when humanists teachers in secular schools by design do the same thing. Barna should have asked how many devoted and faithful Christians do you actually know and do you think they are judgemental and hypocritical?

    A better question is "Would Jesus call a homosexual to repent from thier sin (sexual and otherwise) and to following him in purity and holiness?"

  • Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:49 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Only the Blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ can cleanse us of all unrighteousness and filthy sin - this does include many other things, but as it pertains to this article - adultery, fornication, and yes, homosexuality. Too many in today's church want to cover up sin, and be politically relevent to today's "culture". They water-down the Wrod of God, and twist it to make it seem more "pleasant" to the ears. Many people want to hear what feesds their ego; they don;t want to hear the truth that transforms lives for their own good and for God's pleasure.

    The Bible tells us that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. None of us are without sin. The Good News is that Jesus Christ became God in the flesh for us! He decended from his exalted heavenly place, and willfully shed His Prescious Blood and gave up His life so that we may have a relationship with God the Father our Creator.

    We need to first acknowledge that we are all sinners; we need to repent - that is to literally and willfully choose to turn away from our old life of living in sins; we need to ask for forgiveness and accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior of our lives (this means we hand over our free will to Him, and choose toi obey His commands and teachings). We must put our total trust and confidence ino Him, and then follow Him.

    The question is, have we trully repented, and turned back from our sin. That is to say, if we're willfully, and rebelliously living in sin, have we made a conscious choice to turn from that sin, die to ourselves, pick up our crosses daily and follow Christ?

    None of these sins are unpardonable, but God has given us a free choice. We must choose this day whom we will serve. Are we going to choose to gratify our flesh and live in sin, or are we going to die to ourselves, and choose to follow Christ Jesus?

    Whoever doesn't truly know Christ on this site, please give your life to him. You will not regret it. He will never bring up your past. We all have pasts, but God can make you a new person, and as you continue to seek after Him and as you surrender your life to Him, He will continue to mold you and make you into the vessel of honor He wants you to be. I hope this touches someone out there, and may the Lord turn your heart to repentance. God Bless You.

  • Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:49 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Romans 1: 26-32

    26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

    29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

    30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

    31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

    32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

  • Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:48 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Continued Scripture verses from God's Word:

    Romans 1:21-25

    21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

    25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

  • Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:48 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    While I don't believe that Jesus would stone a homosexual, or an adulterer, or a fornicator, I do believe that if they choose to follow Him, God's Word is clear that they must repent (choose to turn from their lifestyle, and be conformed to Christ). Homosexuality is a sin, regardless of today's situational ethics, and cultural moral relativism, whetre nothing is black and white. Even some within the chutrch have twisted Scripture and interpret it in a more liberal meaning, so as to not name specific sins. These sins not only are personally damaging, but influence and drag down other's in the web of lust due to the strong emotional/physical tie that they have on the person(s) involved. Heterosexual adultery, fornication, and pornography as well as homosexuality and lesbianism displease God because these sexual sins are outside of God's perfect ordained will, which consists of 1 man, and 1 woman joined in holy matrimony for life exchanging their mutual bond of love for each other in physical union. We are called to extend Christ's love to all people, for we have all sinned and fallen short of God's glory. However, we must not forget that in extending Love, it doesn't mean that we allow for liscentiousness, living in sin when one professes to be born again, yet still actively and willfully living in sin. It does not alloe for a twisting, or overriding of Scripture to suit our own cultural relevancy of things, or our personal opinions on matters that God has been very clear on.

    For those who don't believe homosexuality is sin, let's see what God's authoritative Holy and Perfect Word says. If we call ourselves born again, then we take God's Word to be the final authority on life's matter's no?:

    Romans 1:16-20

    16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

    19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

  • Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:33 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Excerpt taken from a commentary by Roger Oakland named The Inclusive Gospel from www.understandthetimes.org

    ".............The new evangelization program being promoted by the emerging church, while it may be in the name of Christ, is antichrist. A formula has been established to provide a bridge that has the potential to unite all religious beliefs in the name of Christ, by circumventing the gospel of Jesus Christ.

    In the future we will see all faiths join together based on a common mystical experience accompanied by “lying signs and wonders”. The apostasy the Bible warned would be apparent in the Last Days is now fully underway. Only those who hold firm to God’s Word will be protected and delivered. This remnant of faithful believers will be viewed as old-fashioned narrow-minded holdouts who are a hindrance to the establishment of the “kingdom.” As Paul wrote to Timothy, in the Last Days:

    Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. [15]"


    [15] 2 Timothy 3: 12-13

  • Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    WBMOORE

    MY APOLOGIES, I HAD MISQUOTED SCRIPTURE, IN SAYING "SERVING THE SPIRIT" IN ROMANS. INSTEAD PAUL HAD SAID (SERVING" IN" THE SPIRIT)

    AND BEFORE CHRIST, PAUL SAYS THAT BELIEVERS SERVED " IN" THE SPIRIT TO THE WRITTEN CODE, BUT IN CHRIST WE SERVE "IN" THE SPIRIT IN A NEW WAY.

  • Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    WBMOORE





    BROTHER, i cannot ask for any more than that. thank you for your scriptures i have copied them for future study. in closing below is a breakdown of romans use it in whatever way, the spirit leads you.



    CONCERNING RIGHTEOUSNESS

    1 romans 3:20Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
    21But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.

    romans 3: 27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. 28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.

    romans4:13It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, 15because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.

    romans5:20The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,

    romans 6:14For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.
    romans 7:6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

    LAW IS IMPERFECT............BECAUSE IT CAN ONLY ADDRESS THE OUTWARD ACT(For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature)..............
    ROMANS 8:3.......God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man,in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.

    ROMANS 10:4but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it.

    ROMANS 13:8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law.

    ROMANS 13:10Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

  • Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    (CONTINUED)
    CONCERNING THE LAW
    romans4:13It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, 15because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.

    romans5:20The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,

    romans 6:14For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.
    romans 7:6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

    THE LAW IS IMPERFECT............IT ADDRESSES THE OUTWARD ACT(For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature)..............BUT CHRIST CAME TO ADDRESS THE HEART. IN CHRIST, WE CAN LIVE IN PERFECTION THRU HIS GRACE. HOWEVER IF WE ARE STANDING ON THE LAW WE ARE STANDING ON IMPERFECTION...........

    ROMANS 8:3.......God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man,in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.

    ROMANS 10:4but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it.

    ROMANS 13:8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law.

    ROMANS 13:10Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.


    1THESS 5:21Test everything. Hold on to the good.

  • Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    BOC560

    YET WHEN ASKED WHAT IS THE SIN, YOU REVERT BACK TO SCRIPTURE, AND ARE UNABLE TO GIVE ANy EXPLANATION OF WHAT THE SIN IS. NOBODY HAS YET AT THIS WEBSITE HAS BEEN ABLE TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE SIN IS. POINTING OUT THAT YOUR INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE SAYS IT IS A SIN DOES NOT EXPLAIN WHAT THE SIN IS . WHAT IS IT ? HOW IS IT? WHY IS IT?

    SAYING ITS JUST ONE OF GOD'S RULES GIVES NO EXPLANATION OF THE ESSENCE OF THE SIN.


    IN JOHN JESUS SAYS THAT EVERYTHING THAT IS THE FATHER'S HIS, AND HE HAS HELD NOTHING BACK FROM US. ARE YOU SAYING THAT JESUS DOESNT KNOW WHAT THE ESSENCE OF THE SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY IS?

    IS IT POSSIBLE YOU DO NOT KNOW, BECAUSE YOU YOURSELF HAVE NEVER TESTED IT((EVEN THOUGH 1 THESS SAYS "TEST EVERYTHING, HOLD ONTO THE GOOD.")

  • Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    IGIT said, “Jesus did not speak of others in this way. Responses such as yours is one reason why believers are looked at negatively.”

    Better take another look. Jesus turned over the tables of the moneychangers and called the high priests Whitewashed coffins full of dead men’s bones.

    Jesus told the church elders that they were as rebellious and as murderous as their ancestors who killed all of His prophets.

    Jesus took a stand against evil. Jesus WAS LOOKED AT in a NEGATIVE way (an understatement) to the extent that the holy men had him killed.

    Believers today are much nicer than Jesus. They won’t offend the heretic preachers or the abominators. I’m sure Jesus would be very proud of today’s ‘believers’ since they wouldn’t speak out to offend the Devil, himself.

    BOC560

  • IGIT »
    Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:59 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I do believe that BOC560 needs to read Matthew 5:1 and remember that Jesus gave the comandment to Love one another as I have loved you. Jesus did not speak of others in this way. Responses such as yours is one reason why believers are looked at negatively.

  • Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I've address multiple ways with various verses about how homosexuality is a sin before God. It does not matter whether you love the other person. It does not matter whether you are enter into a civil ceremony of commitment, even if the government calls it marriage. Before God, homosexual sex is an abominaton - detestable. These are the words of God.

    I have done what God wanted me to do.

    Ephesians 5:11?Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

    1 Corinthians 5:11?But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

  • Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:07 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    it sounds like you are saying that your life experiences are more important than the word of God....


    HOW IS OWNING OUR LIFE EXPERIENCES AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD. GOD CREATED US. THE TOTALITY OF OUR EXPERIENCES ARE DUE TO HIS CREATION. HOW IS OWNING WHAT I FELT, WHAT I SAW, WHAT I HEARD AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD. ISNT THAT WHAT JOHN IS SAYING IN 1JOHN1which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—



    IF YOU SAY THE WORD OF GOD IS REGULATION(DO OR DONT DO) THEN YOU ARENT SAYING THE WORD OF GOD IS THE LAW. SOMETHING THAT PAUL SAYS WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER.



    HOW IS ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT ANOTHER BROTHER IS OWNING AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD.

  • Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:48 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    So the spirit of homosexuality - that of selfishness and self-love and self-gratification - goes directly against the Spirit of God, against the spirit of love. For if you loved God, you would obey Him.

    SO FINALLY, YOU HAVE GIVEN ME PART OF AN ANSWER. HOMOSEXUALS DO EVERYTHING HETEROSEXUALS DO.............BOND THRU MUTUAL LOVE, RESPECT, ATTRACTION, AND TRUST.



    HOW CAN LOVE BE AGAINST LOVE . YOU SAY THAT IS EROS LOVE . BUT HETEROSEXUALS DO THE SAME THING AND ARENT CONDEMNED FOR IT



    THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT IS LOVE, JOY PEACE,KINDNESS, PATIENCE, SELF-CONTROLLING, FAITHFULNESS,GENTLENESS, AND GOODNESS.



    ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE FRUIT OF HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS IS ANY LESS THAN THE FRUIT HETEROSEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS.



    KNOWING CHRIST SAID BY THEIR FRUIT YOU WILL KNOW THEM? FRUIT BEING FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT.



    HAVE YOU EVER WATCHED MAURY OR SPRINGER?

  • Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:07 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    As John said in 1 Jn 3:10, “I have explained many times how homosexual sex is sin in God's eyes. you just dont want to accept the truth of the matter.”

    1JOHN 3:10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

    THAT WOULD BE WALK IN LOVE. HOW DOES HOMOSEXUALITY COME AGAINST WALKING IN LOVE?


    I have explained many times how homosexual sex is sin in God's eyes. you just dont want to accept the truth of the matter.

    YOU HAVE EXPLAINED NOTHING. LIKE I SAID ACCUSING A BROTHER IN CHRIST OF LYING IN HIS TESTIMONY, WITHOUT WITNESS, TO SUPPORT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW, NOT ONLY COMES AGAINST CHRIST, BUT FELLOWSHIP AS WELL.


    God said homosexual sex is wrong in Lev 18. He repeated this in Romans 1 (that would be where he called it degrading, impurity, dishonoring, unnatural, indecent) and 1 Corinthians 6. Plus God spoke out about immoral sex all over the place in the Old and New Testaments

    THE LAWS OF LEV WERE PROHIBITIONS TO MAKE A SEPERATE PEOPLE, MANY OF THEMSELVES ARE NOT SINS.

    IN THAT LEVITICAL PERIOD OF HISTORY, AND UP TO, AND PAST THE TIME OF CHRIST, THERE WAS NO POSSIBLILTY FOR HOMOSEXUALITY TO EXIST, AS WE KNOW IT TODAY. AT THAT TIME JEWISH MALES ONLY SEXUALLY BONDED WITH WHAT WAS THEIR PROPERTY. AMONG THE JEWS ONE JEWISH MAN COULD NEVER BE ANOTHER JEWISH MAN'S PROPERTY AND SLAVERY OF ONE JEW BY ANOTHER WAS FORBIDDEN, AS WELL AS INTERMARRIAGE WITH OTHER CULTURES.

    EVEN IN ROME, CULTURELY MAN ONLY SEXUALLY BONDED WITH WHAT WAS HIS PROPERTY. I KNOW OF NO ROMAN LAW OF MAN BECOMING THE PROPERTY OF ANOTHER, EXCEPT AS A SLAVE OR INDENTURED SERVANT. AND OF COURSE FEW IF ANY WOMEN OWNED PROPERTY. SO OBVIOUSLY THERE IS NOTHING RELATIONAL ABOUT SAME SEX RELATIONS. CULTURALLY, THE ABANDOMENT ISSUE IS MORE GRIEVOUS THAN THE SEX ITSELF. IT ACCENTUATES THE EXTREME BEHAVIOR OF SHAMEBASED LUST.

    SO IF THE BEHAVIOR IN ROMANS IS NOT RELATIONAL HOW CAN THAT BE CONNECTED TO HOMOSEXUALITY OF THIS DAY, ..........WHICH IS.



    ON THE LUST SIDE, THE SHAME BASED LUSTS THAT CAUSED MEN AND WOMEN TO ABANDON THEIR GIVEN RELATIONSHIPS FOR THE SAME GENDER SEX (MOTIVATION OF THAT NATURE IS GIVEN TO LUST AND IS IN CAPABLE OF COMMITMENT TO A PERSON)OUT OF OBSESSION FOR SEX OR SEXUAL PLEASURE, HAS NO CONNECTION TO HOMOSEXUAL COUPLES WHO BOND OUT OF MUTUAL LOVE, RESPECT,ATTRACTION, AND TRUST. AGAIN WHAT IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN HETEROSEXUAL ORGIES AND HETEROSEXUAL BONDING?

    1COR AND ITIM THE TRANSLATION BEFORE TRANSPOSING AN 1800TH CENTURY WORD INTO AN 1800 YEAR OLD TEXT WAS.."DEFILING ONESELF WITH MANKIND"........COULD IT BE ANY MORE NON SPECIFIC?

  • Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:06 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    (CONTINUED)
    Romans 3:20 says we are not found righteous by the Law, but it teaches us what sin is.
    Romans 6:23 says we earn death with our sin.

    ALREADY ANSWERED ..................AGAIN, WHAT IS THE SIN.





    The Old Testament give many concrete examples of spiritual truths that are explicity defined in the New Testament. The basic of which is that God comes first in your life, then others.

    By putting your desires above God's you are putting yourself, a created creature, in the place of God in your life.

    By refusing to accept what God has said about homosexual sex being a sin, you are refusing to honor God.

    By ignoring His word, you are being ungodly, and suppressing the truth.

    By saying that your thoughts on the subject are more important that God's thoughts on it, you are exchanging the truth of God for your own thoughts.

    If you want to sin and ignore God, you are certainly free to do so. God will eventually give you more and more of it, until you reap what you sow.

    When anything takes the place of God in your life (whether its a TV, a job, a person, yourself, your desires, your fears, money, fame, a carved idol, etc), then you are sinning. If you continue to do so, you are hardening your heart. God will eventually give you over to that sin - He will eventually harden your heart. Your sin will eventually move from a personal hidden thing to a public thing to a thing where you approve of others doing your sin. And your sin will cause you to do other unrighteous things.

    THAT is the meaning of Romans 1:19-32.

    Now, this goes against what Christ said were the two greatest commands because if you truly loved God OR yourself, you love God with all your strength, mind, and spirit. You would be obedient to GOD rather than thinking your thoughts and feelings should take precedence over what God has said.

    But instead, you choose to argue and justify rather than

    YOU ARE UNDER THE MISCONCEPTION THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS THE ONLY UNDERSTANDING. ESP. WHEN SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT WE SEE IN PART, A POOOR REFLECTION. YOU USE YOUR BELIEF, THAT YOU KNOW THE MIND OF GOD TO BACK YOUR COMMENTS. EVEN THOUGH PAUL SAYS WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE LAW AND AND THAT WE SERVE THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN THEOLD WAY TO THE WRITTEN CODE, YOU KEEP TRYING TO PUT YOUR HOMOSEXUAL BROTHERS IN CHRIST UNDER IT.


    SCRIPTURE SAYS IN 1 THESS TEST EVERYTHING,KEEP THE GOOD. THE MOST IMPORTANT TEST IS A 1JOHN1 WITNESS IN THE FELLOWSHIP IN CHRIST....."THAT which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched"

    WITHOUT THAT................................,ALL YOU HAVE IS AN UNSUBSTANIATED BELIEF.
    JOHN'S TEST WASNT REPETITIVE QUOTING OF SCRIPTURE AFTER SCRIPTURE TO SUBSTANTIATE A MEANINGLESS DIATRIBE. HE GAVE A GOSPEL WHERE QUESTIONS WERE ASKED AND ANSWERED.SOMETHING YOU ARE EITHER INCAPABLE OR ARE UNWILLING TO DO.

  • Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:33 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    But if you don't obey, then you don't love Him. You are breaking the greatest commandment.
    This will eventually lead to eternal death.

    OBEDIENCE IS NOT THE GREATEST COMMANDMENTS, THE THREE COMMANDMENTS OF LOVE ARE THE GREATEST. AS I SAID BEFORE OBEDIENCE IS NOTHING WITHOUT LOVE. LIKE JESUS SAID IF YOU LOVE ME YOU WILL OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS. WITH LOVE, OBEDIENCE COMES AUTOMATIC.



    OBEDIENCE IS ALSO WORKS. WHICH MEANS WE RECEIVE NEITHER RIGHTEOUSNESS OR SALVATION THRU OBEDIENCE. INSTEAD WE RECEIVE BOTH OF THEM THRU FAITH. AND EVEN AMONG FAITH, HOPE, AND LOVE, LOVE IS THE GREATEST.


    EPHESIANS 2:8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.

    1 Corinthians 13:13
    And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
    1 Corinthians 13:12-13 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 13 (Whole Chapter)
    Colossians 1:5
    the faith and love that spring from the hope that is stored up for you in heaven and that you have already heard about in the word of truth, the gospel
    Colossians 1:4-6 (in Context) Colossians 1 (Whole Chapter)
    1 Thessalonians 1:3
    We continually remember before our God and Father your work produced by faith, your labor prompted by love, and your endurance inspired by hope in our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Thessalonians 1:2-4 (in Context) 1 Thessalonians 1 (Whole Chapter)
    1 Thessalonians 5:8
    But since we belong to the day, let us be self-controlled, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.
    1 Thessalonians 5:7-9 (in Context) 1 Thessalonians 5 (Whole


    DID YOU KNOW THAT OBEDIENCE IS IN SCRIPTURE ONLY 21 TIMES, WHILE LOVE IS IN SCRIPTURE 697 TIMES

  • Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    (CONTINUED)
    Paul wrote in Romans 6:12-16
    12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. 14 For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. 15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?


    IF BELIEVERS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW, WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO PUT HOMOSEXUAL BELIEVERS UNDER IT?.

    So will you be a slave to your desires or a slave to obedience to Christ? if you say you love Christ, then you must obey.
    As John said in 1 Jn 3:10, “I have explained many times how homosexual sex is sin in God's eyes. you just dont want to accept the truth of the matter.”

    IM AM A SLAVE TO CHRIST THRU MY LOVE FOR HIM, AND MY RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND MY SALVATION WILL BE DETERMINED BY MY FAITH.

    WE OBEY, THAT WHICH WE LOVE.

  • Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:38 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    “THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE NO SPIRIT ANSWER ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY, BUT CLING TO REGULATION WHICH WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER, MAKES ME BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE EITHER UNAWARE OF HOW IT COMES AGAINST THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, OR POSSIBLY DON'T BELIEVE IT DOES AT ALL.”

    1 Timothy 4:1
    1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

    Galatians 5:19-23
    19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

    1 Thessalonians 4:7-9
    7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. 8 Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.

    1 John 1:5-6
    5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth.

    You choose to live a sinful life. You choose to ignore the word of God. You choose to put your own desires above God's. You choose to live in darkenss. You choose to harden your heart against what God has said. You choose to exchange the truth of God for the lie that your feelings or experiences are more important than God and his word.

    Your selfish desire to sin with a man goes against what Christ said was the greatest command because if you truly loved God would be obedient to GOD rather than thinking your thoughts and feelings should take precedence over what God has said.

    So the spirit of homosexuality - that of selfishness and self-love and self-gratification - goes directly against the Spirit of God, against the spirit of love. For if you loved God, you would obey Him.

    That self-seeking attitude and behavior will take many homosexuals to hell. I wish it did not have to be that way. You are important to God. He loves you. But He hates your sin.

  • Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:33 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    “I DO WHAT I DO, NOT BECAUSE OF THE LAW, BUT BECAUSE I AM YOKED TO CHRIST. IF I LIVE BY REGULATION I AM IM NOT IN CHRIST. IF I AM IN CHRIST, I LIVE BEYOND REGULATION. YET NOT OF MYSELF BUT ONLY THRU THE GRACE OF HIS SPIRIT. THE LAW IS IMPERFECT AND FOR CONSCIOUS, IN THAT CONSCIOUS POINTS TO THE SPIRIT.”

    Ephesians 4:20-24
    20You, however, did not come to know Christ that way. 21Surely you heard of him and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. 22You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

    Romans 13:13-14
    13 Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. 14 Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature.

    “NOT BEING A CHRISTIAN WE KNOW SIN, APART FROM THE LAW WE KNOW SIN, AND IN CHRIST KNOW SIN.“

    Titus 2:11-13
    11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. 12 It teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

  • Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:32 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "AS JOHN SAID WE ARE COMMANDED TO WALK IN LOVE."

    1 John 5:1-3
    1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 2 This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3 This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome

    You are not walking in love if you are ignoring God's commands.

    "FELLOWSHIP IS A LOT OF THINGS.....................BUT CERTAINLY IT IS HONORING THE LIFE EXPERIENCES OF ANOTHER...... WHAT WAS SEEN. WHAT WAS FELT ETC"

    it sounds like you are saying that your life experiences are more important than the word of God....

    "THAT IS WHY I CONTINUE TO ASK YOU HOW DOES HOMOSEXUALITY COME AGAINST THE THREE."

    You've confused Law with love. Or you don't know the meaning of love.

    Jesus said in John 14:15
    If you love me, you will obey what I command.

    Romans 3:20 (Contemporary English Version)
    20God doesn't accept people simply because they obey the Law. No, indeed! All the Law does is to point out our sin.

    Jesus said in John 14:21
    Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.


    That's not Law. God said if you love him, you will obey him. If you dont obey him, you dont love him. Obedience is not law.

    "THERE ARE THREE COMMANDMENTS. EACH IS ABOUT LOVE. IF YOU DO THOSE THREE YOU ARE OF CHRIST."

    Please refresh my memory on what these three are, when I can find them in the Bible?

    "THAT IS WHY I CONTINUE TO ASK YOU HOW DOES HOMOSEXUALITY COME AGAINST THE THREE."

    I've done this multiple time, with scripture. Just because you don’t like the answer does not make the answer wrong.

    "WE DIED TO THE LAW AND WERE RESSURRECTED IN CHRIST. WHAT WE DO IN CHRIST THERE IS NO LAW FOR."

    Romans 6:11-14
    11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. 14 For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.

    Romans 8:12-14
    12 Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation—but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, 14 because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God

  • Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    (CONTINUED)
    I DO WHAT I DO, NOT BECAUSE OF THE LAW, BUT BECAUSE I AM YOKED TO CHRIST. IF I LIVE BY REGULATION I AM IM NOT IN CHRIST. IF I AM IN CHRIST, I LIVE BEYOND REGULATION. YET NOT OF MYSELF BUT ONLY THRU THE GRACE OF HIS SPIRIT. THE LAW IS IMPERFECT AND FOR CONSCIOUS, IN THAT CONSCIOUS POINTS TO THE SPIRIT.

    WE CANNOT GET AWAY FROM THE SPIRIT ISSUE. EVERYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY THE SPIRIT HAS TOLD US.. OF WHAT SPIRIT OF ITS ESSENCE IS, AND HOW IF IT DOES COME AGAINST THE THREE COMMANDMENTS (OUR BATTLE BEING AGAINST POWERS AND PRINCIPALITIES)

    IN ROMANS 1 IT SAYS THAT FROM THE BEGINNING GOD HAS SHOWN HIS QUALITIES THRU WHAT HAS BEEN CREATED. SO MAN IS WITHOUT EXCUSE NOT ONLY TO ACKNOWLEDGE GOD'S EXISTENCE, BUT TO COMMIT SIN AS WELL

    BECAUSE THEIR WAS NO EXCUSE,GOD WAS JUSTIFIED IN COMMITTING GENECIDE AGAINST THE PEOPLE LIVING ON THE LAND OF ISREAL, AS WELL AS AGAINST THE PEOPLE AT THE TIME OF NOAH. BOTH OF THESE PEOPLE WERE WITHOUT THE LAW. YET GOD KILLED THEM BECAUSE THEY SINNED.

    NOT BEING A CHRISTIAN WE KNOW SIN, APART FROM THE LAW WE KNOW SIN, AND IN CHRIST KNOW SIN.

    THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE NO SPIRIT ANSWER ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY, BUT CLING TO REGULATION WHICH WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER, MAKES ME BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE EITHER UNAWARE OF HOW IT COMES AGAINST THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, OR POSSIBLY DON'T BELIEVE IT DOES AT ALL.

  • Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "John taught the same: 1 John 3:7-10,
    Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother."

    AS JOHN SAID WE ARE COMMANDED TO WALK IN LOVE.

    It is not about being justified by the Law. Its about being who God wants you to be. Its about love and obedience. If you say you love, but you do not obey, then its not true love, because you love yourself more than God. We must love GOD more than anything and anyone - including ourselves, and we must obey him.

    But if you don't obey, then you don't love Him. You are breaking the greatest commandment.
    This will eventually lead to eternal death.

    OKAY SO FIRST YOU WALK IN LOVE..........................AND
    "IF YOU WALK IN THE LIGHT AS HE IS IN THE LIGHT YOU HAVE FELLOWSHIP WITH ONE ANOTHER".

    AND FELLOWSHIP IS A LOT OF THINGS.....................BUT CERTAINLY IT IS HONORING THE LIFE EXPERIENCES OF ANOTHER...... WHAT WAS SEEN. WHAT WAS FELT ETC

    John taught the same: 1 John 3:7-10,
    Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

    It is not about being justified by the Law. Its about being who God wants you to be. Its about love and obedience. If you say you love, but you do not obey, then its not true love, because you love yourself more than God. We must love GOD more than anything and anyone - including ourselves, and we must obey him.

    THERE ARE THREE COMMANDMENTS. EACH IS ABOUT LOVE. IF YOU DO THOSE THREE YOU ARE OF CHRIST.

    THAT IS WHY I CONTINUE TO ASK YOU HOW DOES HOMOSEXUALITY COME AGAINST THE THREE.

    YOU KEEP USING YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW TO BE THE PARADIGN OF OBEDIENCE. WE DIED TO THE LAW AND WERE RESSURRECTED IN CHRIST. WHAT WE DO IN CHRIST THERE IS NO LAW FOR.

  • Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:41 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    hmm.. the last line in my previous post somehow did not have what I intended ot put in there. Obviously 1 Jn 3:10 says,
    10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

  • Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:38 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Christ is only the savior for those who trust in His saving work -- and if He is, then they will obey Him, If they do not obey, then that is evidence that He is not their savior.

    Hebrews 5:9,
    And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him

    John taught the same: 1 John 3:7-10,
    Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

    It is not about being justified by the Law. Its about being who God wants you to be. Its about love and obedience. If you say you love, but you do not obey, then its not true love, because you love yourself more than God. We must love GOD more than anything and anyone - including ourselves, and we must obey him.

    But if you don't obey, then you don't love Him. You are breaking the greatest commandment.
    This will eventually lead to eternal death.

    Paul wrote in Romans 6:12-16
    12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. 14 For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. 15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

    So will you be a slave to your desires or a slave to obedience to Christ? if you say you love Christ, then you must obey.
    As John said in 1 Jn 3:10, “I have explained many times how homosexual sex is sin in God's eyes. you just dont want to accept the truth of the matter.”

  • Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:38 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I have explained many times how homosexual sex is sin in God's eyes. you just dont want to accept the truth of the matter.

    God said homosexual sex is wrong in Lev 18. He repeated this in Romans 1 (that would be where he called it degrading, impurity, dishonoring, unnatural, indecent) and 1 Corinthians 6. Plus God spoke out about immoral sex all over the place in the Old and New Testaments.

    Romans 3:20 says we are not found righteous by the Law, but it teaches us what sin is.
    Romans 6:23 says we earn death with our sin.

    The Old Testament give many concrete examples of spiritual truths that are explicity defined in the New Testament. The basic of which is that God comes first in your life, then others.

    By putting your desires above God's you are putting yourself, a created creature, in the place of God in your life.

    By refusing to accept what God has said about homosexual sex being a sin, you are refusing to honor God.

    By ignoring His word, you are being ungodly, and suppressing the truth.

    By saying that your thoughts on the subject are more important that God's thoughts on it, you are exchanging the truth of God for your own thoughts.

    If you want to sin and ignore God, you are certainly free to do so. God will eventually give you more and more of it, until you reap what you sow.

    When anything takes the place of God in your life (whether its a TV, a job, a person, yourself, your desires, your fears, money, fame, a carved idol, etc), then you are sinning. If you continue to do so, you are hardening your heart. God will eventually give you over to that sin - He will eventually harden your heart. Your sin will eventually move from a personal hidden thing to a public thing to a thing where you approve of others doing your sin. And your sin will cause you to do other unrighteous things.

    THAT is the meaning of Romans 1:19-32.

    Now, this goes against what Christ said were the two greatest commands because if you truly loved God OR yourself, you love God with all your strength, mind, and spirit. You would be obedient to GOD rather than thinking your thoughts and feelings should take precedence over what God has said.

    But instead, you choose to argue and justify rather than Love and Obey.

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