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Dems Advance Bill to Grant Special Workplace Rights to Homosexuals

By Lawrence Jones|Christian Post Reporter

A bill that would force many religious and conservative groups to grant special rights to homosexuals in the workplace is scheduled for a full House vote next week after the Committee on Education and Labor moved it forward Thursday.

By a 27 to 21 vote, Democrats and three Republicans passed the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), which would make it illegal for employers to make decisions about hiring, firing, promoting or paying an employee based on sexual orientation.

The legislation seeks to add “sexual orientation” to a list of federally protected classes under a 1964 act that prohibits job discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin.

Conservatives are concerned that the bill would strip constitutional rights from faith-based businesses that don’t agree with the lifestyles of homosexuals or bisexuals.

"When you strive to protect some people, you take away protections of other people," noted Rep. Howard "Buck" McKeon (R-Calif). "That is the difficulty, and I think some of us on this side are representing some of those people that feel like as good as your intentions are, you're taking away their rights in their religious beliefs and dealings on a day-to-day basis."

Notably, the Committee rejected four amendments offered by Republicans that would have protected the religious freedom of faith-based groups and individuals.

“It's an attack on businesses and people of faith," said Tom McClusky, vice president for government affairs at the Family Research Council, in a Chicago Tribune report.

“Businesses wouldn't have the freedom to hire whoever they want,” he added.

Republicans who voted against advancing the bill argued that equating “sexual orientation” to other federally protected classes doesn’t add up.

“Sexual orientation is not the same as race, gender or age, which do not depend on perception at all," said Rep. Mark Souder (R-Ind).

Souder called the legislation a “possible litigation nightmare,” saying that perceptions are enough to cause lawsuits resulting to a hostile workplace.

McKeon had also criticized the ambiguous language in the bill since one’s perception of sexual orientation is subjective.

“Under the bill, we would legislate a prohibition against employment discrimination based upon a person’s ‘perceived’ sexual orientation,” he said in opening remarks. “This vague term is not defined anywhere in this bill. It increases employee liability and will needlessly require litigation on the meaning of this term and how it applies to the work place.”

Meanwhile, Democrats were divided Thursday over the removal of “gender identity” from the bill, which would have extended special rights to people who identify themselves as transgender.

Despite the removal, Traditional Values Coalition, a conservative Christian group, argued in a news release sent out Thursday that transgenders could use the term “perceived” to their advantage and still claim protection under ENDA.

“The term ‘perceived’ provides homosexuals and transgenders far broader protection than for African-Americans, Hispanics, women, or people of faith under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964,” stated the group in the e-mail news release.

It’s a “slap in the face to all who fought in the Civil Rights Movement,” added TVC.

Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), the bill’s sponsor, said he dropped the category “gender identity” because the Democrats didn’t have the votes to pass it.

Still, Democratic leaders promised to try and get additional legislation in the future.

"I believe that the step we are taking today will lay the foundation for passing these additional protections in the future," said Rep. George Miller (D-Calif.), chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, according to The Associated Press.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Ca., who also backed the bill, has agreed to allow an amendment on the floor to include transgender rights, which is expected to fail.

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  • Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Peter 4
    1 Therefore, since Christ suffered for us[a] in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, 2 that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the will of God. 3 For we have spent enough of our past lifetime[b] in doing the will of the Gentiles—when we walked in lewdness, lusts, drunkenness, revelries, drinking parties, and abominable idolatries. 4 In regard to these, they think it strange that you do not run with them in the same flood of dissipation, speaking evil of you. 5 They will give an account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6 For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

  • Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:49 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Only the Blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ can cleanse us of all unrighteousness and filthy sin - this does include many other things, but as it pertains to this article - adultery, fornication, and yes, homosexuality. Too many in today's church want to cover up sin, and be politically relevent to today's "culture". They water-down the Wrod of God, and twist it to make it seem more "pleasant" to the ears. Many people want to hear what feesds their ego; they don;t want to hear the truth that transforms lives for their own good and for God's pleasure.

    The Bible tells us that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. None of us are without sin. The Good News is that Jesus Christ became God in the flesh for us! He decended from his exalted heavenly place, and willfully shed His Prescious Blood and gave up His life so that we may have a relationship with God the Father our Creator.

    We need to first acknowledge that we are all sinners; we need to repent - that is to literally and willfully choose to turn away from our old life of living in sins; we need to ask for forgiveness and accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior of our lives (this means we hand over our free will to Him, and choose toi obey His commands and teachings). We must put our total trust and confidence ino Him, and then follow Him.

    The question is, have we trully repented, and turned back from our sin. That is to say, if we're willfully, and rebelliously living in sin, have we made a conscious choice to turn from that sin, die to ourselves, pick up our crosses daily and follow Christ?

    None of these sins are unpardonable, but God has given us a free choice. We must choose this day whom we will serve. Are we going to choose to gratify our flesh and live in sin, or are we going to die to ourselves, and choose to follow Christ Jesus?

    Whoever doesn't truly know Christ on this site, please give your life to him. You will not regret it. He will never bring up your past. We all have pasts, but God can make you a new person, and as you continue to seek after Him and as you surrender your life to Him, He will continue to mold you and make you into the vessel of honor He wants you to be. I hope this touches someone out there, and may the Lord turn your heart to repentance. God Bless You.

  • Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:13 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 3

    rcinsocal: Are you that ignorant of the bible, that you copy and paste the same OT passages all over this web site? Those old laws were taken care of at the cross. This disgusting, degenerate lifestyle of sodomy that you are apparently championing is condemmed as an abomination numerous times in the new testament. Try reading it sometime.

  • Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:26 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    And JC - you be careful. It is a sin to bear false witness! You lie if you say you live literally according to the Bible. You're clearly not the least bit self-reflective if you say you do.

    Your argument is so circular that its making me dizzy. On one hand you use Leviticus to justify "God's hatred" of gay people and on the other you say that the new covenent nulifies the parts of Leviticus you don't want to deal with (not eating shellfish, not touching a women while she is in menses, etc). Which is it? Please tell me.

    I'm starting to get aggrevated because it is obvious you love God like a child. That's fine if you're a child but most of grow up and find out that God's word is a little more nuanced than that.

  • JC »
    Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:17 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    To Ifeelfine72:

    You said: "We do the best we can and interpret the Bible in accordance to our own beliefs and prejudices. "

    Dear one, please be careful with this. This can be a direct violation of the first commandment of not having any other gods before Him. This is done by interpreting by one's own belief. You say, "To me, God is like....". Or, "He can't be that bad, he would never, etc. etc.". By doing this, you are creating your own god. You are attempting to change Him to your accordance, but He will not be changed. And since He will not be changed, we end up with a total fabrication.

    God is who He is. He will not share His glory with another. He set the guidelines as to how to approach him, not the other way around.

  • Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    American Heritage Dictionary
    a·bom·i·na·tion (ə-bŏm'ə-nā'shən) Pronunciation Key
    n.
    Abhorrence; disgust.
    A cause of abhorrence or disgust.

    Dictionary.com
    1. anything abominable; anything greatly disliked or abhorred.
    2. intense aversion or loathing; detestation
    3. a vile, shameful, or detestable action, condition, habit, etc.:

  • Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Lev.18:22
    Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

    Lev.20:13
    If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

    Rom.1:26-27
    For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

  • Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:29 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    rcinsocal: You rock! My sentiments exactly! We can all live our lives according to the Bible but in the end, anyone that says they are "Bible believing" is a hypocrite just like the rest of us. We do the best we can and interpret the Bible in accordance to our own beliefs and prejudices.

  • Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    savedbygrace
    Thumbs UP!!

  • Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:58 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    LEVITICUS 18:22- Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman;that is detestable.

    LEVITICUS 20:13-If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman,both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death. What they have done is a perversion;their blood will be on their own heads.

  • Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:23 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    superbob and zenodaddy: And I believe that you are misinterpreting the verses you quote. Those verses are about abusive acts (rape if you will) and defying God. They don't mention same-sex marriage once.

    You mean to tell me that if a guy said to you that his love for another man was greater than that of his love for any woman ever, you would take that to mean "brotherly love?" Come on, be real here. You can lie to me but you can't lie to God!

    Standing on Faith: Read the entire thread of comments - one of the earlier posters definitely said and others implied that it is the worst sin.

    BTW superbob: By the way you've worded your comments, it sounds like you think I'm gay. Did you ever consider that I just have compassion for Christians that are marginalized by the likes of you? Do you find homosexuality to be so repugnant that you can't belive a straight Christian guy would defend gay people?

  • Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:25 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    “If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth god. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
    By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.” I John 3:15; 4:7, 8; 4:20; 5:2

  • Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    savedbygrace: why is that the worst sin? Is it worse than rape or murder? What about racism, or mysogyny, worse than those?

  • Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:58 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    The worst sin is not to love God. Mark 12:30 “And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.”

  • Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ifeelfine72- read LEV 18:22 , LEV 20:13 , 1 COR 6:9 AND 1TIM 1:10. IM GETTING THESE FROM THE NEW LIVING TRANSLATION BIBLE. IF YOU READ THESE YES THE BIBLE IS AGAINST THIS SORT OF BEHAVIOR. SOUNDS LIKE THIS WAS GOING ON BACK THEN ALSO SO WHY IS THIS ALL OF A SUDDEN THE TIME IN HISTORY FOR YALL TO STAND UP AND BE COUNTED AND HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS? FROM WHAT I CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR KIND IN BIBLE TIMES YALL HAVE IT PRETTY GOOD. ITS SAYS ITS A DESTABLE ACT AND BACK THEN BOTH PARTNERS IN HOMOSEXUALITY WERE PUT TO DEATH. YOU SHOULD READ THESE VERSES THEY COULD SAVE YOUR SOUL FROM HELLS FIRE

  • Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:30 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    ifeelfine72,

    II Samuel 1:26 has nothing to do with same-sex marriages. This is about a brothers love (brotherly love). The passages before and after make this explicitly clear.

    Ruth 1:14 -- This passage also has nothing to do with same-sex marriages. This is about Orpah kissing her mother-in-law goodbye. (As in farewell).

    'Why spend so much time on such a devisive issue that isn't clear in the Bible?'

    Look, this is very clear in the bible. A man is to marry a woman, if not then the first marriage would have been with Eve and Yvette... however, you wouldn't be here to complain about it.

  • Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:15 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    ifeelfine72
    No one is saying it is the worst sin, BUT SIN IT STILL IS. We all have sinned and need the Lord in our lives to forgive us and show us ALL the righteous ways to live and love. I was totally shocked of your interpretation of the verses you chose to prove your point. I doubt that you wholeheartedly believe that. Read Romans (Chapter 1 Verses 18-32 )

  • Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:44 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 5

    This is why so many people don't like Christians. So many of us get wrapped up in hating gay people (you can say you hate the sin, not the sinner, but I know otherwise). Christ never once mentioned gay marriage as being a negative thing. The Bible has only positive things to say about good same sex relationships (II Samuel 1:26, Ruth 1:14). Its about abusive same sex relationships the Bible is not so fond of.

    Why spend so much time on such a devisive issue that isn't clear in the Bible? To call it the worst sin is hyperboly and utterly ridiculous. Let's focus on the poor and other things Jesus was very clear on and stop trying to divide Christians

  • Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:15 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    mburkel: The statement I made was not an assumption. It is what I have experienced in my life. To say that what I have experienced in my life is an assumption is an erroneous definition of the word 'assumption'. I can't speak for what you've experienced in your life.

  • Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:47 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    savedbygrace: "Every homosexual that I have talked to intimately has been hurt deeply by the pain they suffered at the hands of another homosexual." Really? Of the hundreds of gay men I know well, I don't know of a single person that was raped. I have to conclude that your assumption is incorrect.

  • Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:06 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    LOL. Thank you for proving my point. And by the way, I said "most", not all know the difference between male and female. Obviously, dogs don't. What an elite group your in. Sick.

  • Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:51 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    I am African American PCA and a stauch believer in the Bible and what it has to say on matters concerning live and how Christians should live. The reason I say how Christians should live is because the is who the book was written for no Republicans or Democrats but Christians. Now what does the Christians play book say ( I am also a coach so I referenence the Bible as the Christian's playbood.) It says the Gospel or Good news (that's what Gospel means in greek) is a stumbling block to the Jew and foolishness to the gentile. Translation if you ain't saved you do not understand. The Bible say's sodomy is a sin. Those who are not truly saved can't understand this because the have not been awakened by the good news. In their eyes the folks who pass these laws truly believe they are doing the right thing. Even when it defies logic. With the spread of STD's, molestation and rape on the rise why would you do this? because they have not heard the good news. As an African American I wear my colors everday (sorry for the pun) if someone is going to discriminate against me they can way before I get to the inteveiw. But unless a sodomite comes out of the closet and tells the interviewer or staff we can presume they or a sodomite but never really know. So stop hiding if you are going to be a minority let all your peers know so they can make the personal choice whether to associate or not but do not except us to read minds and get penalized for not getting it right.

  • Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:04 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Every homosexual male and female that I have known in my life span of almost 1/2 a century was raped by a homosexual in their childhood and/or teens. Every homosexual that I have talked to intimately has been hurt deeply by the pain they suffered at the hands of another homosexual.

  • Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:57 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    The point against this bill is that it gives homosexuals “special rights”. The labor laws in place now are enough to protect everyone from discrimination.

    I'm a Christian that has had homosexuals in my employment in home health. The majority of them were excellent nurses. They were judged on how well they performed their job and as well as their conduct between peers and patients, not on their sexual orientation. I didn’t think their sexual orientation was any of my business. That’s between them and God.

    However, if I were running a Christian based business, such as a Christian day care, then there would naturally be a requirement regarding the employee’s beliefs, conduct and dress.

    Regarding what I’ve been reading concerning public bathroom accommodations for everyone (male, female, its) to share. That is discrimination against heterosexuals. And I think it would lead to an increase in rape, molestation and murder.

  • Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:45 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 6

    "Even most animals know the difference between a male and female and avoid sodomy"

    Boy, you really don't know anything about the animal world whatsoever, do you?

  • Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:26 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 6

    John5796: If you don't like gay sex, don't have gay sex. Your personal disgust, whether you call it religious or not,t doesn't give you any right to tell consenting adults what to do with their sex lives.

    Back off.

  • Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:11 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 2

    Forget about 'work place rights' and lets lock these perverts up for committing one of the most disgusting sins imaginable. How far is this sicko push for acceptance as normal going to go? Even most animals know the difference between a male and female and avoid sodomy. Of course this all as the bible said it would be. Good will be called evil, and evil will be called good. The resident athiest that hangs around this site does exectly that every post. I hope and pray that anyone that takes part in this disgusting activity will someday see the light.

  • ZoeB »
    Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:56 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    And in an alternate Universe....

    Conservatives are concerned that the bill would strip constitutional rights from faith-based businesses that don’t agree with the lifestyles of Jews or Hindus.

    "When you strive to protect some people, you take away protections of other people," noted Rep. Howard "Buck" McKeon (R-Calif). "That is the difficulty, and I think some of us on this side are representing some of those people that feel like as good as your intentions are, you're taking away their rights in their religious beliefs and dealings on a day-to-day basis."

    Notably, the Committee rejected four amendments offered by Republicans that would have protected the religious freedom of faith-based groups and individuals.

    “It's an attack on businesses and people of faith," said Tom McClusky, vice president for government affairs at the Family Research Council, in a Chicago Tribune repot.

    “Businesses wouldn't have the freedom to hire whoever they want,” he added.

    Republicans who voted against advancing the bill argued that equating “religion” to other federally protected classes doesn’t add up.

    “Religion is not the same as race, gender or age, which do not depend on perception at all," said Rep. Mark Souder (R-Ind).

    Meanwhile, there is an awful lot of "bearing false witness" going on. There are exemptions in the bill for religious institutions. Churches would *not* be required to hire homosexual pastors. To say they would implies woeful ignorance of what the bill says, gullibility in believing those of malific intent, or deliberate mendacity. The same exemptions apply here as they do for those of incompatible religious belief, in fact, they've been extended compared to those.

  • Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    superbob: They aren't going to get equal treatment if they don't stand up and speak out about the discrimination they face. If you don't want to hear about them being discriminated against, work to end discrimination, don't blame them for pointing it.

    dgnymn: Your spittle-flecked, crazy-eyed rant demonstrates exactly why we do need more legal protection for gays and lesbians. You are the one forcing your beliefs on everyone else. Nobody is forcing you to be gay, but you would force your hatred (and it is hatred, you've revealed it quite clearly) on others. You shouldn't have that right, whether you call it religion or not.

  • Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:40 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 4

    I'll tell you what, "citizen." Back off from defending these deviants and you might get an audience. We don't need anymore bills to "protect" homosexual and lesbian behavior. It's been deviant behavior for thousands of years and now we're celebrating it, and even embracing it and defending it constitutionally? What's gotten into us.

    Jesus would say - "GO AND SIN NO MORE." That'd be the end of it. Unfortunately, these folks want to keep on sinning, and that brave soul who believes he can witness to them is mistaken because under ENDA, he could lose his business for forcing his faith on another one of the homosexual fascists who want to dictate to the rest of us how and what we should believe.

    REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND!!!!

  • Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:12 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    maybe they dont and thats fine but if they go into a bible preaching church then they should hear these things that make them uncomfortable thats the holy sprit working on them. if gay people want to be treated equal then they need to stop screaming discrimination about everything and accept that in some things everyone is discriminated against they are not any more special than anyone else when it comes to that they make themselves discriminated because they make such a big deal about everything when it comes to their lifestyle.its not my place to judge thats between them and God im just trying to do my part in letting people know the truth , and if i break some toes while doing it then its a small price to pay for a person coming to know Christ, better that than the fires of hell.

  • Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Maybe people don't want or need your "help" when it comes to sexuality.

  • Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:54 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    i tell it how my bible says, you can take it how you want to, but what i see among most christians these days is an attitude of do what you want to, and we will tell you its ok, thats not going to help anyone.

  • Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:03 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 6

    "Love of Jesus"= "Punish people for not getting their sex lives pre-approved by you"

    Got it. Everytime I hear someone talking about "the love of jesus" that is what I will think of.

  • Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:43 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    we need more christians willing to step on toes and tell people their in the wrong and not worry about what people think.Jesus didnt say that to be a christian was going to be all nice cars,big houses and a fat bank account, He said we would be disliked and outcasts im tired of the preaching on self gain and happiness this isnt about us its about following Jesus and showing people how to get to heaven thats our mission on this earth the moment we accept Him into our lives so yes HATE THE SIN , SHOW THE SINNER THE LOVE OF JESUS ! ! ! ! !

  • Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:41 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 6

    Discrimination on the basis of the sexual preferences of consenting adults is wrong. Period. End of story. You shouldn't have the right to discriminate on that basis and call it your religion, because the interest of gays and lesbians in avoiding the suffering you would inflict on them is more important. You may think you are "saving them," but you don't have the right or the ability to choose what's best for them, especially not since you are making the decisions based on supernaturalism. That's more moral clarity than you'll ever get from "hate the sin, love the sinner"

  • Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I think that wether you are hired or fired should be due to your work ethic and knowledge not because you forced someone to hire you for fear of being sued. Our country is messed up. I wish Columbus could sail again and let us start over!

  • Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:31 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    Being positive is one thing, being inaccurate in predicting the implications is another thing. Christians school would be required to hire homosexual teachers. Churches would be required to hire homosexual pastors. Parachurch ministries would be required to hire homosexuals. Such areas of employment are not secular in nature. A person's personal and moral bearings directly influences his or her ability to successfully work in unity with an organization's ministry goals. A main goal of that would be to honor and glorify Christ by being obedient to God's Word in holiness of behavior.

  • Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    lordshepard: yours is one of the more positive attitudes I've seen around here. kudos!

  • Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Correct me if I am wrong, but under the current non-discrimination laws Christian businesses cannot discriminate based on religious beliefs. Which means that Christian businesses can already be sued for firing someone for being a satanist or an athiest or a hindu. Since Christianity is about providing a positive example to the sinners and misled of the world, what is the big deal if homosexuals are employed next to the heathen? A good Christian employer would use that opportunity to provide a good example and possible witness for Christ. It's not like Christians only employ Christians as it is. Personally, I would rather work with someone who called themselves a Christain homosexual than a satanic heterosexual.

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