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Obama Adds Gay Minister to Ease Gospel Tour Drama

By Michelle Vu|Christian Post Reporter

Democratic Presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama is adding a gay minister into his South Carolina Gospel concert this weekend in an attempt to quell anger over an ex-gay singer accused of being “anti-gay.”

Grammy-award winning Donnie McClurkin is the target of gay rights advocates who wanted the Illinois senator to remove the Gospel superstar from his concert program for asserting that homosexuality is a choice.

“I don’t believe that it is the intention of God…Sexuality, everything is a matter of choice,” McClurkin had said to The Associated Press on Monday.

The Gospel singer and Pentecostal preacher had battled with homosexuality for nearly 20 years after he was sexually molested by his uncle as a boy, but left his gay lifestyle after coming to Christ.

McClurkin said he was surprised at the media’s reaction to his comment which he said was misconstrued. He has been accused of saying that gay Americans are “trying to kill our children” and calling homosexuality a “curse.”

“I don’t believe that even from a religious point of view that Jesus ever discriminated toward anyone, nor do I,” McClurkin said in an interview with The Chicago Tribune. “Most of the things that were said were totally out of context and then other things weren’t true.”

Gay activists had confronted Obama for including someone they consider an anti-gay Christian artist.

“Please ask him (Obama) one more time to stop Donnie McClurkin’s appearance at Sunday’s event,” said Tony Snell, the South Carolina Gay and Lesbian Pride Movement’s past president, according to The Associated Press.

In response, the Obama campaign said it seeks to “bridge real divides” and “bring people together” and would not remove McClurkin.

Instead, the campaign invited the Rev. Andy Sidden, an openly gay South Carolina pastor to appear at the same concert.

In an interview with the gay newsmagazine The Advocate, Obama reaffirmed his pro-gay stance amid questions about his commitment to gay rights.

“You’re talking to somebody who talked about gay Americans in his convention speech in 2004, who talked about them in his announcement speech for the president of the United States, who talks about gay Americans almost constantly in his stump speeches,” said Obama in the interview Friday.

“If there’s somebody out there who’s been more consistent in including LGBT Americans in his or her vision of what America should be, then I would be interested in knowing who that person is.”

Obama is on a campaign to reach out to black evangelicals in South Carolina, an early voting state where half of the Democratic primary voters are black. The Illinois senator is nearly even with New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton but a recent survey shows he is losing ground. The Gospel concert is an attempt to strengthen his religious black voting base in South Carolina.

The Gospel concert, “Embrace the Change! Gospel Series,” marks the final days of Obama’s “40 Days of Faith & Family” campaign in South Carolina – a grassroots effort to share with South Carolinians how Obama’s family values and faith have shaped his leadership and effort to bring people together for fundamental change.

Taking part in the Oct. 26-28 tour of Charleston, Greenwood and Columbia are Gospel music greats including McClurkin; Grammy Award winners Mary Mary and Hezekiah Walker; seven-time Grammy Award-nominee Vanessa Bell Armstrong; Grammy-nominated Deitrick Haddon and Beverly Crawford; Dove Award winner Fred Hammond; and the world’s most famous gospel quartet, the Mighty Clouds of Joy.

McClurkin, who pastors a church in New York, has performed at both the Republican and Democratic Party conventions and identifies himself as a Democrat.

“There’s never been a statement made by me about curing homosexuality,” clarified McClurkin to The Chicago Tribune. “People are using that in order to incite anger and to twist my whole platform on it. There’s no crusade for curing it or to convert everyone. This is just for those who come to me and ask for change.”

The South Carolina Gay and Lesbian Pride Movement plans to hold a vigil outside Sunday’s concert in Columbia to protest McClurkin’s appearance, according to AP.

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  • Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (New King James Version)

    9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

    Footnotes:

    a. 1 Corinthians 6:9 That is, catamites

  • Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:28 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Peter 4
    1 Therefore, since Christ suffered for us[a] in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, 2 that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the will of God. 3 For we have spent enough of our past lifetime[b] in doing the will of the Gentiles—when we walked in lewdness, lusts, drunkenness, revelries, drinking parties, and abominable idolatries. 4 In regard to these, they think it strange that you do not run with them in the same flood of dissipation, speaking evil of you. 5 They will give an account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6 For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

  • Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:25 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Hey ifellfine, you've been on every other board related to the same "gay" subject asking "well what about divorce, etc." When one gives you a biblical answer, as well as a common sense answer, you just try to blow it off by saying that one is biased, a bigot, etc. You continue to dispute the plain and simple interpretations of God's Word, in order to justify your way of thinking, and possibly living. No matter what one tells you, proves to you, or shows you in the Bible; no matter how loving, or direct it may be, you just seem to refuse to see that God's Word is not tolerant to sin. As far as I can tell, you would rather take the easy route of relativism, and choose to drag others down that path as well, because you disagree with certain biblical passages. It also seems to me that as I've read on other posts, you tend to take other's posts on this board out of context, (especially those who have a specific biblical relevance to the issue being spoken of - i.e., homosexuality) and then spin what they say to make those who post it look bad. Read your Bible in context verse by verse, chapter by chapter. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. God does not change. He still loves and forgives, but he demands humble repentance, and following His Whole Word. Not just the parts that don't offend us.

  • Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:01 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    ifeelfine...by the way...since you're so caught up in the old covenant, i thought I'd tell you....it was done away with. so whatever issues you have with it really is moot.

  • Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:01 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    and why do you throw accusations back at me? all because I think someone is disrespecting our country, you think I'm mean or un-Christian? Is your idea of a good Christian one that never opens their mouth or does anything that offends? If I did that , then I would not be Christlike. Christ offended many people. Remember...it wasnt just the religious people calling for his death.....

  • Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:55 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    So, someone who grew up in this country, heard the national anthem 100's maybe thousands of times...still needs to be asked to show respect? Maybe he never saw the thousands of other people doing it...or maybe his mom never told him what respect was....i dont know. i guess you're right. he just needed to be told to put his hand on his heart. it was all a big misunderstanding

  • Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Prophet: Why would you say that I bear no fruit to prove I'm a Christian? You don't either - at least not on this site.

    And he wasn't asked to do it - it is something he is just supposed to do. If he had just been asked then I would understand - he said it was a lapse, not a sign of disrespect. Get it?

  • Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:40 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    There may be many perspectives...but only one Truth. Im sure you know a lot of Christians that agree with you. So apparently that make you right. But I see you use that term loosely considering you equate yourself with Christianity but bear no fruit to prove it. Now THAT takes quite a leap to do.
    What one person calls combative...another calls passionate. If you are on the recieving end..of course you would consider it combative. But if I had the same passion, but arguing FOR your point, you would be patting me on the back and saying how awesome I am for standing up for the truth. If you would read my last post, you would understand about respect. Let me explain it this way...if you had invited me over and I came over. And you told me to please remove my shoes before I entered your house, and I didn't...would you be offended?
    Ok...a man wants to lead me and my country, but when asked to show respect for my country and he doesn't....i am offended. I apologize if you cant grasp the concept of respect, but maybe this will help.

  • Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet - there are many perspectives on one truth - that is why there are several thousand different Christian denominations. I personally know lots of Christians that agree with me - apperently none of them post on this site! :)

    BTW: Why are you testing anyone? That doesn't make any sense. I guess I don't get the test, why you did it or how I put words in your mouth. What's so weird about it?

    And again, you take a huge leap by saying Obama has no respect for the country or the flag.

    For a passionate Christian you're awfully combative. :)

  • Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yes, I have kids. If i ask them to clean their room and they refuse...they get into big trouble. If they "just didnt" they get into big trouble. "Just didn't" is a sign of lack of respect. It says "I don't care". So there is no difference other than to those who avoid accountability. So when Obama "just didn't" place his hand over his heart, it shows disrespect for a country he wants to lead.
    By the way, the whole "Osama/Obama" thing was a test. I was waiting to see if anyone would be over-zealous enough to put words in my mouth. You were kind enough to oblige. As you see, I said "I know there is no connection, but I think its just weird".
    I have read many of your posts on different issues. I find it unsettling that you use the phrase "most of us are passionate Christians..." and yet it seems that you are more at odds with other Christians than with others. Besides, I figured you would be "more supportive" of my opinion of a man who has no respect for our country or flag.

  • Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet: Do you have kids? My son just doesn't clean his room. If he refuses when I tell him, he's in big trouble - I would say there is quite a distinction between "just didn't" and refused.

    Speaking of the pot calling the kettle black, don't assume I like Obama. He's okay in my book but I won't be voting for him (unless somehow George Bush changes the constitution and runs again). I'm a registered Republican and always vote my conscience (which means I didn't vote for W either time).

    My assumption of you didn't take a great leap given that you likened Obama and Osama, which is something Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh would do, not something a concientious Christian should do. In any case, I made a general comment about Christianity and politics and didn't mean to direct it anyone in particular. If I offended you, I apologize. Most of us are passionate Christians on this site and we should be more supportive of each other.

  • Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:29 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    ifeelfine--
    Speaking of ignorance...you're like the kettle calling the pot black. Why would you assume that I'm a Republican? Just because I said something against your beloved Obama? If you hadn't noticed, this news article is about Obama. And I can't believe that you would nitpick about "refusing" and "not doing". There is SUCH a big difference. NOT. Let me give you a little insight about the national anthem and protocol:

    During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. -- United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171

    Sounds to me like he "refused" to place his hand over his heart. But...whether he "refused" or "just didnt" ...it's still upatriotic. And I would say the same thing if it happened to be a Republican who did that. I dont vote Rep or Dem....I vote my conscience and the Spirit of God. Over the years I have voted for Reps, Dems, and even a Independent. Please keep your assumptions to yourself, and stick with facts.

  • Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:43 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet - you just show your ignorance and bias when you say that Barrack Obama refused to place his hand over his heart during the national anthem. He didn't refuse, he just didn't. Again, I wish more people were Christians on this site and not just Republicans. Too often comments on this site reflect the values of Republicans and not Jesus.

  • Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:50 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Hi again, jc4me. In his book, does Lee StroebelI mention if he used to be a christian before he turned atheist, and then became christian (again)? Because, frankly, I had completely converted to atheism by the time I was 12, and at that point I was still young and impressionable, and therefore less likely to become an atheist, since I had no outside influence (my teachers and family are mostly believers). I have never felt God's love, not even when I did believe in him. Why?

  • Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:13 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Dear Jenny, I'm glad you read my response, and despite the fact that your an atheist, and you claim that you hate God, He still loves you with a love greater than anything you can ever think or imagine. You can choose to continue mocking Christ's message, and continue to harden your heart to the God who loves you, and gave His Son for you, but as you do so, you are rjecting your own eternal state, and condeming yourself to eternal separation from God unless you repent. I can only pray that God will soften your heart and draw you near Him. The Choice to accept or reject is up to you.

    By the way, true biblical Christinaity is not a cult, and my love for God is a result of His first loving me. I would not know true love unless God had not demonstrated His love for me first. I will pray for you and your loved ones to come to trully know Christ as Lortd of their lives. You know it is not impossible for God to show you the Truth. It is also not impossible for an atheist such as yourself to become a believer in Christ the Messiah.

    Get the book by Lee StroebelI "The Case for Christ" I told you about, and I sincerely hope you give your life to Christ.

  • Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:00 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Dear Seeking Zoe, if you know Christ, then why do you call the Gospel being preached pontification? Rather than criticizing or being anoyed with the Gospel message, then pray for those who hear it and might be saved. If it still anoys you, then maybe you're being convicted by the Holy Spirit. Who knows? Only you would know that. Take it up with Jesus why He wants us to "go therefore and make disciples of all nations". I'm just a vessel used by Christ to spread His message of life change to the people around me. You should be happy that there may be an unbeliever on this site that may have received Christ as a result of His Word being put out on this blog. I will be praying for you.

  • Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:12 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I know there's no connection, but it think its just weird.

  • Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:11 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Is it just me or is it weird that "Obama" and "Osama" are only one letter apart?

  • Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:10 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    correction....upon further investigation i've discovered that Obama refused to place his hand over his heart during the national anthem...it had nothing to do with the pledge of allegiance. But still.....someone who shows a lack of patriotism like that needs to be questioned.

  • Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:02 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    I just recieved a pic of Barack Obama, Governor Bill Richardson, Senator Hillary Clinton, and Ruth Harkin standing for the national athem somewhere. The person who sent me this pic said the news article it came with stated that Obama not only refused to put his hand over his heart...he also refused to even say the pledge! I would LOVE to have someone so patriotic in office (that's sarcasm).

  • Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    jc4me: What makes you think I DON'T know Jesus Christ? just because I told you that your endless pontificating was tiresome?

  • Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hi, jc4me, thanks you the response. Firstly, I'll confirm my atheism, still standing even after your posts. On the subject of which, they do not have the affect on me that you might imagine. They sound overly joyous, dipict a world made or rainbows and candy, and like the sort of thing imprinted into the mind by way of indoctrination. You are exaggerating to the point that you make Christianity look like an evil cult. Fortunately, I was not too overwhelmed, and managed to read the whole thing without starting to believe that Christianity was evil.
    No need to respond again, I know that you'll say something like "God will come to you, and when you have seen him you will realise...love etc." and "God loves you, if only you will let him in." Well, I'm not predesposed to love like the rest of humanity. That's pretty much my fundamental proble with being religious (or as a matter or fact, a functioning person).
    As for you Prophet, you're doing that thing where you make me look bad and you look good by attacking what I have said, but I am dissapointed that you have so little faith in atheists as to think they don't care about religion. Why do you think I'm on a Christian site? Because I hate you? No. I hate your God. Explain to me, Prophet, why I shouldn't, rather than just disparaging me.

  • apc »
    Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I will not vote for Obama, cause I do not believe in the Gay Movement. It's not that I can't identify with people that have problems, cause everyone has them, it's just that I don't believe in trying to make problems look good or in aggressive marketing campaigns of such.

  • Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:49 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Jesus is coming for His Bride (Church) soon. If anyone out there does not know Christ the Risen Lord, Repent, and turn from your sins. He will forgive you and make you a new creature. The choice is up to you who you will decide to serve. The Gospel has been preached, not to tickle ears, but to draw men to Christ. Don't make the very sad mistake of rejecting Christ's offer of Salvation. No one knows when their time is come to die and leave this planet to stand before God. What wil you say when you stand before God and He asks Why should I let you into heaven? Make sure you are saved. Put your total trust in Christ Jesus the Messiah, and you can know for sure where you will spend eternity.

  • Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:43 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    hey Seeking Zoe, you never aswered my question this afternoon. Do you want to know Jesus Christ, the Risen Lord? Choose you this day, whom you will serve.

  • Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:36 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    -continued Jenny-

    I cannot answer some of the questions you posed, but God can. I did answer the one important question though. You wanted to become a Christian, and I detailed it out. You must be born again by our Risen Lord Jesus Christ. (See my other post that has the Gospel of Christ on it.)

    I wanted to say that I see other comments on this board that have identified you as a atheist. I do not know whether this is true or not, but you must choose this day whom you will serve. Either God, or this world. I too came out of the world and am so thankful for the grace of God. I have repented, God has forgiven me, and I love drawing closer to Him every day. I hope and I pray the same for you. There is no neutral point. If you don't choose Christ, you've rejected Him by default. There is only one way, and that is Jesus Christ, the Risn Son of God who gave His life to restore our relationship with God. The Bible is very clear on that.

    Also, I would like to suggest a good side read for you - "The Case for Christ" by Lee Stroebel. This man is now a born-again Christian who used to be a full bleeding heart atheist an/or agnostic. He set himself on a joney to disprove the God of the Bible, and in His quest for facts, he ended surrenderig his life to the One who paid the price for his sins - Jesus Christ.

    I highly encourage you to read it.

  • Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    -continued Jenny -

    The Bible tells us that God created man (Adam) and then (Eve) woman for his pleasure. He created a perfect earth and gave man dominion over every living thing including the beasts of the field, and the birds of the air. God placed every good and perfect thing in this "Utopia" called Eden. I said "Utopia" because this would probably be the best analogy to describe what I'm trying to depict to you. He created and placed The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the garden purposefully. God told man and woman not to eat of the fruit, or surely they would die. You may say this is absurd, and further ask why He would do that instead of making a robotic person to follow His Will with no strings attached right? I'll answer this very easily: You can't have an honest true love for someone or something without a freewill to choose who you will serve. God wants our hearts and our total devotion, but He wants us to give Him this trust willingly., I'm sure you know the rest of the story. Satan, the serpent deceives Eve into eating of the fruit God said not to eat of, and then she offered it to Adam; he ate as well. They both disobeyed God, and the curse of sin has been in this world ever since. Man is separated from God because of man's sin nature. We (the human race) are born sinners. There is Good News though. God sent His only Son, so that anyone who believes (puts their total trust in Him) should not perish (i.e., die eternally; eternal separation from God our Creator), but have everlasting life (i.e., live forever worshipping God and having fellowship with Him forever, and ever).

  • Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:34 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Hello Jenny1235813, I would like to lovingly respond to your question as best I can; although I do not have a specific answer for you at this time. I can't promise that I'll have a cut and dry answer for the first part of your question. I can only be honest; I don't think I fully know why good things happen to bad people, and bad things happen to good people, and why God would allow these things to happen.

    However, in honesty, I have to also say that this does not in any way cause me to doubt the God who saved me from my sin, and gave me new life. I am a living testimony of the transformation that Christ has done in me. Please read my response, and I hope the God who saved me will reveal Himself to you as you seek for Him; just make sure that you are sincerely seeking for Him, and not what your finite perception of Him is to you -

    "And jc4me, I don't want to be blessed by a god who would willingly and knowingly commit terrible atrocities- why are innocent babies born with AIDS, why parasites of such horrific natures that I shan't mention tham for fear of my message being removed... please respond, I would so like to be a Christian, I just find it hard to believe that God would allow such malice."

  • Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:37 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Jenny--
    To try and explain the finer (and deeper) points of the Bible to an atheist is hysterical. It's like trying to explain how to find the area of a septagon to someone who knows nothing about geometry. You won't understand it. And besides, you won't care either. To you, it's not about learning...its about debating. So, please do not ask us to explain something to you that you have no interest in whatsoever. There may be a few gullible people in here who will attempt to, but I always hope that there aren't.

  • Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Please help me understand. Why is being gay a sin? Well, Jenny, because it say so in the bible.
    OK, I'm with you so far...
    It also says in the bible that I'm allowed slaves, if they are of certain races etc...
    Well, nowadays, few wouldn't concider slavery to be a sin. So if we don't allow something that the bible says is OK, why can't we allow something the bible says is not OK. Then everything would be square. (I asked God about it; er, yeah, he said it was a good idea...I didn't really ask - atheist)
    And jc4me, I don't want to be blessed by a god who would willingly and knowingly commit terrible atrocities- why are innocent babies born with AIDS, why parasites of such horrific natures that I shan't mention tham for fear of my message being removed... please respond, I would so like to be a Christian, I just find it hard to believe that God would allow such malice.

  • Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:43 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Seeking Zoe, do you want to know Jesus Christ, the Risen Lord?

  • gig »
    Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:33 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Woe to Barack Obama who thinks that adding a confessed rebellious sinner and pervert to his entourage will increase his odds of winning a presidential election; woe to the people like Donnie McClurkin who will not stand up and fight for the truth of the gospel of Christ.. woe to the many, many people who attend church every Sunday and think they are saved. Woe! for the wrath of God is coming and nothing shall quench it.

  • Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    I think we should take up a collection and get jc4me a pulpit. Jeepers...enough already!

  • Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:14 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    To anyone who does not know the God of the Bible, please accept Jesus Christ (God the Son) as Lord of your life. It is His Blood that was shed in an act of obedience to the Father, because He loved us. Jesus said He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man can come to the Father (God) except thru Him! - John 14:6. Please read the other message I have included on this below: May the Lord Bless You.

  • Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:13 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    To anyone who does not know the God of the Bible, please accept Jesus Christ (God the Son) as Lord of your life. It is His Blood that was shed in an act of obedience to the Father, because He loved us. Jesus said He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man can come to the Father (God) except thru Him! - John 14:6. Please read the other message I have included on this below: May the Lord Bless You.

  • Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:08 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Only the Blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ can cleanse us of all unrighteousness and filthy sin - this does include many other things, but as it pertains to this article - adultery, fornication, and yes, homosexuality. Too many in today's church want to cover up sin, and be politically relevent to today's "culture". They water-down the Wrod of God, and twist it to make it seem more "pleasant" to the ears. Many people want to hear what feesds their ego; they don;t want to hear the truth that transforms lives for their own good and for God's pleasure.

    The Bible tells us that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. None of us are without sin. The Good News is that Jesus Christ became God in the flesh for us! He decended from his exalted heavenly place, and willfully shed His Prescious Blood and gave up His life so that we may have a relationship with God the Father our Creator.

    We need to first acknowledge that we are all sinners; we need to repent - that is to literally and willfully choose to turn away from our old life of living in sins; we need to ask for forgiveness and accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior of our lives (this means we hand over our free will to Him, and choose toi obey His commands and teachings). We must put our total trust and confidence ino Him, and then follow Him.

    The question is, have we trully repented, and turned back from our sin. That is to say, if we're willfully, and rebelliously living in sin, have we made a conscious choice to turn from that sin, die to ourselves, pick up our crosses daily and follow Christ?

    None of these sins are unpardonable, but God has given us a free choice. We must choose this day whom we will serve. Are we going to choose to gratify our flesh and live in sin, or are we going to die to ourselves, and choose to follow Christ Jesus?

    Whoever doesn't truly know Christ on this site, please give your life to him. You will not regret it. He will never bring up your past. We all have pasts, but God can make you a new person, and as you continue to seek after Him and as you surrender your life to Him, He will continue to mold you and make you into the vessel of honor He wants you to be. I hope this touches someone out there, and may the Lord turn your heart to repentance. God Bless You.

  • Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:10 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, they preach tolerance because they are ashamed of the truth, and twist it to satisfy their itching ears. It's nothing more than modern day liberalism within the church.

  • Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:44 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Why is it that those who preach tolerance, and the we should embrace all people and tolerate their views, not tolerant of Christianity? Sounds hypocritical. Prove to me that you really believe in promoting tolerance by tolerating Christianity. If you can't...then shut up.

  • Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:27 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Only the Blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ can cleanse us of all unrighteousness and filthy sin - this does include many other things, but as it pertains to this article - adultery, fornication, and yes, homosexuality. Too many in today's church want to cover up sin, and be politically relevent to today's "culture". They water-down the Wrod of God, and twist it to make it seem more "pleasant" to the ears. Many people want to hear what feesds their ego; they don;t want to hear the truth that transforms lives for their own good and for God's pleasure.

    The Bible tells us that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. None of us are without sin. The Good News is that Jesus Christ became God in the flesh for us! He decended from his exalted heavenly place, and willfully shed His Prescious Blood and gave up His life so that we may have a relationship with God the Father our Creator.

    We need to first acknowledge that we are all sinners; we need to repent - that is to literally and willfully choose to turn away from our old life of living in sins; we need to ask for forgiveness and accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior of our lives (this means we hand over our free will to Him, and choose toi obey His commands and teachings). We must put our total trust and confidence ino Him, and then follow Him.

    The question is, have we trully repented, and turned back from our sin. That is to say, if we're willfully, and rebelliously living in sin, have we made a conscious choice to turn from that sin, die to ourselves, pick up our crosses daily and follow Christ?

    None of these sins are unpardonable, but God has given us a free choice. We must choose this day whom we will serve. Are we going to choose to gratify our flesh and live in sin, or are we going to die to ourselves, and choose to follow Christ Jesus?

    Whoever doesn't truly know Christ on this site, please give your life to him. You will not regret it. He will never bring up your past. We all have pasts, but God can make you a new person, and as you continue to seek after Him and as you surrender your life to Him, He will continue to mold you and make you into the vessel of honor He wants you to be. I hope this touches someone out there, and may the Lord turn your heart to repentance. God Bless You.

  • Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:05 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Romans 1: 26-32

    26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

    29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

    30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

    31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

    32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

  • Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:55 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Continued Scripture verses from God's Word:

    Romans 1:21-25

    21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

    25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

  • Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:54 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Let's see what God's authoritative Holy and Perfect Word says:

    Romans 1:16-20

    16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

    19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

  • Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:45 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Excerpt taken from a commentary by Roger Oakland named The Inclusive Gospel from www.understandthetimes.org

    ".............The new evangelization program being promoted by the emerging church, while it may be in the name of Christ, is antichrist. A formula has been established to provide a bridge that has the potential to unite all religious beliefs in the name of Christ, by circumventing the gospel of Jesus Christ.

    In the future we will see all faiths join together based on a common mystical experience accompanied by “lying signs and wonders”. The apostasy the Bible warned would be apparent in the Last Days is now fully underway. Only those who hold firm to God’s Word will be protected and delivered. This remnant of faithful believers will be viewed as old-fashioned narrow-minded holdouts who are a hindrance to the establishment of the “kingdom.” As Paul wrote to Timothy, in the Last Days:

    Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. [15]"


    [15] 2 Timothy 3: 12-13

  • Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Well said Iifeelfine72. If some folks had their way, church would be cancelled this coming Sunday, due to those blasted sinners wanting to attend...? What a hoot. LOL

  • Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Not fit for president because he is "pro-gay?" For one thing, he isn't pro-gay. And if he was, that shouldn't be a criteria for president. We all fall short of the glory. Being a remarried divorcee is way worse than being gay - at least in terms of "family values."

    As for not taking part in a concert because there are "sinners" involved . . . there would be no concerts (no anything as far as that goes) if the requirement were to have folks that are free from sin.

  • Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:36 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 0

    WHAT A SHAM!!!!

    Obama...Not only is he a pretender to the Throne, but he is totally unqualified for the position of President. Pro-GAY!!! He is another homosexualist who is trying to feminize the nation and bring us under the judgment of God. Reaching out to Black Evangelicals??? If they are true to their faith in Christ, they will reject Obama quickly and vote for one who's depth of character is in line with the faith of our Fathers, and the Biblical faith we hold dear. It's too bad that Obama cannot understand that his compromising to bring in an openly homosexual clergy member doesn't do him ANY good!!! We see right through him.

    The last thing which Christ said to the woman caught in adultery was - GO, AND SIN NO MORE!!! We need to speak in love to the homosexual community the same words!!! Unfortunately they persist in their open sin and rebellion against the Most High God!!! Obama has been REJECTED!!!!

  • RBB »
    Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Citizen-

    I understand fully what is and isn't racism, I'm sorry that you don't seem to.

    I don't use media reactions to measure what some perceive as constitutional violations. You were the one to bring it up, by claiming that the Democrats believe in what you perceive to be the separation of church and state. I asked how that fit in with their obvious manipulation of the question. You failed to answer.

    I asked you about your claims that Republicans were doing the same kinds of things as Sen. Obama. You have failed to post any links or proof.

    I have no choice but to assume you are conceding that you have no response.

    I have to say that if you are using this same kind of illogic to make the decision if God is real or not, I can understand how you came to be in such a confused state.

  • imho »
    Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:25 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    This certainly looks like a desperate move by Obama.

  • Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    RBB: Don't you understand that there is an underlying reasoning that determines whether things are racist or not? "Because it is" doesn't qualify.

    You didn't answer my question, so I will ask again: why do you use media reaction as the measurement of constitutional violations?

  • RBB »
    Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Citizen - Because it is. I really feel bad for you that you can't recognize it when you see it, but then there have always been people who couldn't recognize racism when they saw it.

    And please post the links to any Republican candidates doing what Obama's doing, so we have a point of reference to discuss. That would be leading Bible studies and 40 day retreats at churches to get votes.

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