That’s not necessarily the case anymore because society is so much different and there’s so many more opportunities. So the denominations are really asking themselves the question ‘What is our role today?’ And I think it’ll be a very interesting study to see where they move and I think we’re going to see denominations unifying and still having a major role. There’s still a role and a function for the church on the corner, but I think it’s a shifting and an adjusting role we need to be aware of and move with.
CP: You mention Christopher Columbus and Ferdinand Magellan, noting that Magellan accomplished his mission but his success was essentially built on the journey Columbus took. How would you tie that to yourself and other evangelical leaders today who are experiencing success – however you want to define success?
Schuller: I could’ve gone off from Magellan to the various additional discoverers who kept defining the maps and making them more accurate. As Christian leaders we need to continue to see ourselves in the same way – not caught in the history, but part of the history and with a continuation into the future so that we continue to build the kingdom and not recess into the kingdom. And throughout history there has been recessions and the dark ages was clearly a recession. We’re not going back there. Christian leaders need to be aware of the fact that we’re moving forward and meet the needs of people where they are today as opposed to where they were. The encouraging case is that that is indeed the case and that’s what’s happening.
When I look at the Internet and the changes that it brings to our society and I also see the churches embracing that. You can go to our website with the Crystal Cathedral and you can watch our broadcast online. We have a tremendous prayer community. We have thousands of people, it’s a self-sustaining community where people are going online and asking people for prayer. None of this was possible before the Internet. To link all these people – these prayers are from India, from Africa, Holland, every corner of the globe – it’s just beautiful to see how all these individuals from all around the world are linking together. The world is becoming extremely small and … I think a tremendous amount of that has to do with the fact that the Internet has linked the entire globe together and it has become an equalizer.
CP: You’re the only son in your family. Were you expecting from the start that you would eventually succeed your father?
Schuller: I think so. But at the same time, I still had the option of whether I want to walk in that direction. So it wasn’t something forced on me by any stretch of the imagination. It was something I chose for myself. As a young man I decided I wanted to be a minister when I grew up. I went straight from high school to college. When I was in college I went there for one reason and one reason only – that was for a piece of paper. It’s called a certificate of graduation. And that piece of paper would allow me to go to seminary. I went to seminary and spent four years there. I went to seminary so I could be ordained. I did that all with one purpose in mind – so I could go into ministry.
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"Keep your eyes on the crucifix,
for Jesus without the cross is a man
without a mission, and the cross without Jesus is a burden without a
reliever." The Cross does not play a major part in Schuller's theology. Maybe the work of Christ in taking the sins of the world upon Himself isn't that big a deal?
Schuller: It depends on how that’s defined. The suffering of Jesus Christ is a true thing that took place historically and I think the suffering of Jesus Christ is very real and I think we need to recognize that as individuals. I think what’s more important, however, is for us to understand what that means. And for us as individuals it means that grace of Jesus Christ abounds. So I communicate not so much the suffering of Jesus Christ like The Passion of the Christ movie. When I think of that movie, I think ‘Wow, man, that’s tough.’ And we need to be aware of it. But what’s more important than that is what it means for us. And what it means for us is that we can live victorious lives if we confess Jesus Christ as our Savior and Lord – that the direction that God has for our lives can be discovered, realized, lived and we can be people God’s designed us to be. And I that’s what I think the Christian life is all about – living the life that God wants us to live. So I don’t think God wants us to focus on the suffering of Jesus Christ as much as He wants us to focus on serving Jesus Christ.
CP: Do you also feel that the culture today is more receptive of the positive messages and people are maybe turned off by messages of suffering and the cross?
Schuller: There’s nothing wrong with talking about the cross because the cross is the symbol of hope and talking about the suffering of Jesus Christ is just one small piece of the whole Gospel message. And to focus too much on the suffering of Jesus Christ is to put emphasis on a small area which is insignificant compared to the larger area of serving Jesus Christ.
The Word of God: “But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.” (Galatians 6:14)
“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.” (1 Corinthians 1:18)
“That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.” (Philippians 3:10, 11)
“Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.” (2 Timothy 3:12)
“For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake…” (Philippians 1:29)
“And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.” (Luke 24:46, 47)
Schuller: First and foremost, I want to encourage, uplift and inspire people. That’s really my calling – to inspire people. I define the word ‘inspire’ from my Greek studies which means to breathe the breath of life. So I want to inspire people. And for me, that is communicating the Gospel of Jesus Christ in a positive way. I always start with a text that I think is inspiring and uplifting and motivating and communicate that message in a contemporary way that people can appreciate and try to bring in the history and education to the process, communicate an awareness and understanding of the Bible that people can hold onto.
The Word of God: “Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” (2 Timothy 4:2-4)