Nearly two years after succeeding a world renowned pastor and televangelist, the Rev. Robert A. Schuller is walking in his own shoes rather than trying to fill the “big shoes” of his father, the Rev. Robert H. Schuller. Now, as senior pastor of the Crystal Cathedral in Garden Grove, Calif., the younger Schuller takes over the helm of a ministry built by his father over the span of more than half a century.
But rather than retrace history, Schuller is taking the ministry forward with plans to broadcast messages through the "Hour of Power" to every part of the globe as a church designed for the world.
And now with a new book out (Walking in Your Own Shoes), Schuller has revealed how he’s created his own pair of shoes as he leads his global ministry in what he feels is a new era in the Church.
CP: What's the purpose behind writing this book and what kind of audience were you directing it towards?
Schuller: I was installed as the senior pastor of the Crystal Cathedral a year ago January, so it’s coming up on two years. When I received that opportunity, I was actually the second installed pastor of the Crystal Cathedral in its almost 60-year history. My father started the cathedral in 1955 and when I was installed, many people came to me and said, ‘You have some big shoes to fill.’ And I kind of chuckled and I said, ‘You’re right. I do have some big shoes to fill. However, I cannot fill those shoes, period.’ First of all, you have to realize my father’s shoes won’t fit me. He wears a 10-1/2, I wear 12. So that’s not going to work.
Secondly, I said ‘I can’t walk in his shoes; that’s not going to help us at all because that means we’re just going to retrace history. We need to create some new shoes that I can walk in, that will take us into the current decade and into the future and make a positive impact in this community. So I’m going to have to walk in my own shoes, not my father’s shoes and I have to walk in the shoes that God’s created for me and not the shoes that we’ve been used to.’ As a result of that, this whole concept of walking in our own shoes started. And the fact is that this true for everybody – that nobody can walk in another man’s shoes. History is history; the present is the present; and the future, the future. And a result of that, we have to discover the direction that God has for our own lives and fulfill that calling that God has for each of us.
CP: Your church is part of the Reformed Church in America, but as you described in your book, your father has built a very non-traditional church that has grown to be one of the largest in the denomination. What do you think attracted so many people and does that same attraction apply today?
Schuller: It definitely does. What my father did when he started the Crystal Cathedral is he put the cathedral on the cutting edge of meeting the needs of people where they are. And that is still without question the case regardless of whether you’re in Africa, or India, or Europe, or the United States … if you’re meeting the needs of your community and reflecting your community, your church is going to be successful. A church doesn’t have to grow to be successful. A church needs to meet the needs of its community and fulfill again its calling and its destiny. And for each community, that can be a different prescription for success…. A healthy church in a growing community will grow. A healthy church in a non-growing community won’t grow because it doesn’t have the influx of people. There’s different rules for different environments.
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"Keep your eyes on the crucifix,
for Jesus without the cross is a man
without a mission, and the cross without Jesus is a burden without a
reliever." The Cross does not play a major part in Schuller's theology. Maybe the work of Christ in taking the sins of the world upon Himself isn't that big a deal?
Schuller: It depends on how that’s defined. The suffering of Jesus Christ is a true thing that took place historically and I think the suffering of Jesus Christ is very real and I think we need to recognize that as individuals. I think what’s more important, however, is for us to understand what that means. And for us as individuals it means that grace of Jesus Christ abounds. So I communicate not so much the suffering of Jesus Christ like The Passion of the Christ movie. When I think of that movie, I think ‘Wow, man, that’s tough.’ And we need to be aware of it. But what’s more important than that is what it means for us. And what it means for us is that we can live victorious lives if we confess Jesus Christ as our Savior and Lord – that the direction that God has for our lives can be discovered, realized, lived and we can be people God’s designed us to be. And I that’s what I think the Christian life is all about – living the life that God wants us to live. So I don’t think God wants us to focus on the suffering of Jesus Christ as much as He wants us to focus on serving Jesus Christ.
CP: Do you also feel that the culture today is more receptive of the positive messages and people are maybe turned off by messages of suffering and the cross?
Schuller: There’s nothing wrong with talking about the cross because the cross is the symbol of hope and talking about the suffering of Jesus Christ is just one small piece of the whole Gospel message. And to focus too much on the suffering of Jesus Christ is to put emphasis on a small area which is insignificant compared to the larger area of serving Jesus Christ.
The Word of God: “But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.” (Galatians 6:14)
“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.” (1 Corinthians 1:18)
“That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.” (Philippians 3:10, 11)
“Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.” (2 Timothy 3:12)
“For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake…” (Philippians 1:29)
“And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.” (Luke 24:46, 47)
Schuller: First and foremost, I want to encourage, uplift and inspire people. That’s really my calling – to inspire people. I define the word ‘inspire’ from my Greek studies which means to breathe the breath of life. So I want to inspire people. And for me, that is communicating the Gospel of Jesus Christ in a positive way. I always start with a text that I think is inspiring and uplifting and motivating and communicate that message in a contemporary way that people can appreciate and try to bring in the history and education to the process, communicate an awareness and understanding of the Bible that people can hold onto.
The Word of God: “Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” (2 Timothy 4:2-4)