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Education|Fri, Nov. 30 2007 08:40 AM EST

'Expelled' Exposes Plight of Darwin Doubters

By Michelle Vu|Christian Post Reporter

WASHINGTON – A provocative film to be released next year is uncovering a conspiracy among educators to “expel” professors who question Darwinism.

  • Caroline Crocker, expelled
    (Photo: The Christian Post)
    Caroline Crocker, formerly a biology professor at George Mason University, speaks at an Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed promotion event at Washington-based Family Research Council on Tuesday, Nov. 28. 2007.

Highly acclaimed professors have lost their jobs, been denied tenure, and rejected of subsequent teaching positions for raising questions on Darwin’s theory of evolution, said speakers at a promotional event this week for the film ”Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed,” featuring Ben Stein.

“Soon after I lost my job at George Mason [University] for questioning Darwinism, I was working at Northern Virginia Community College,” said biology professor Caroline Crocker, who is featured in “Expelled,” on Tuesday

“I overheard the administrator (at NVCC) saying to my supervisor that she should get rid of me,” Crocker recalled at the event hosted by the Family Research Council. “I made her life easy and said I found another job.”

But Crocker continued to face persecution in subsequent jobs with bosses telling her they ran out of money after she worked a year, even though they had an NIH (National Institute of Health) grant.

“I was offered three or four jobs after many applications. Every one of them after being offered at the interview the job, within two weeks I was phoned and told that there is no money for this position,” the biology professor recalled.

“I thought it was a little strange that they had money to advertise and to interview but didn’t actually have the money for the position,” she noted. “Since then I was told by someone at the NIH, ‘Don’t bother, you’re blacklisted.’ That is what he told me, but I don’t know if it’s true.”

In defense, Crocker denies teaching creationism at George Mason University. Rather, she contends that she taught only one lecture on the evidence for and against evolution and did not even mention creationism.

“What I really wanted to do was in an intellectually honest manner give the evidence for evolution, but also the question about evolution – the scientific critiques – that’s all I did,” Crocker said.

She has not been able to find a lawyer to represent her against George Mason since her first lawyer dropped her case.

In response to cases such as Crocker’s, ”Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed” highlights the long-standing controversial debate between supporters of Darwinism and supporters of Intelligent Design, which argues that the creation of life and the universe are results of an intelligent “designer” and not by chance as the former theory suggests.

Through interviews with both Intelligent Design and Darwinian Evolution proponents, the movie is said to expose “the intimidation, persecution and career destruction that takes place when any scientist dares dissent from the view that all life on earth is the mere result of random mutation and natural selection,’” according to the film’s producers.

“There are people out there who want to keep science in a little box where it can't possibly touch God,” said Stein in the film’s trailer. “Scientists are not even allowed to think thoughts that involve an intelligent creator.”

Executive producer Walt Ruloff said, “When our audience sees the stories of the real victims of scientific malpractice they're going to be outraged.”

Todd Nordquist, the community liaison at the Center for Science and Culture at the Discovery Institute, also spoke at the event about the battle of worldviews where currently scientific materialism dominates.

An “Expelled Road Show Tour” is currently underway and is scheduled to hit 40 college campuses across the country by the film’s February 2008 release date.

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  • Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ifeelfine,

    The site that you cite is obviously wrong about what ID is. It is not "Bible-based creationism dressed up as science." If they are not arguing against actual ID then I do not care about one thing they say. The individual ousted could have been against her interpretation of Bible-based creationism, which if she interpreted in the wrong way could definitely be against science (and the Bible for that matter) To even suggest that the ID community is oppressing the scientific community is ridiculous anyways, that would be like a patriarchal society saying that women are oppressing men, and then citing one example of a woman who had oppressed a woman dressed up as a man as an example of the oppression.

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    if you dont mind giving me the link to this information, i would like to check it out...

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    what stuff have i made up?

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    jester - you should talk. I've seen some of the stuff you make up on this site. How about I call you out and ask you to cite every thing you post. I've seen two numbers online now - 20M and 60M.

    BTW: just to talk about subject of the post - this story was online today: http://www.caller.com/news/2007/dec/04/official-forced-out-for-telling-the-truth-on/

    Who's censoring whom?

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    GMG...what DON'T i say that would get me flagged? Actully, I flagged myself because what i wrote wasn't contreversial enough. hahaha. kidding. no, i typed something and then re-read it and decided I really didnt want to say that.

    ifeelfine...an athiest website? and you still admit it? "three times the number I quoted but could not validate the how many are in earth sciences. 20M seems about right." so, you're still pulling numbers out of your orifice? you sure 20milion isnt be too generous? how about just 20?
    i'll take you serious when you start using actual statistics.

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    GMG - I'll tell you where I got the numbers and then it should be self evident why I want them validated before sharing where I got the info. I got them off an athiest website but didn't want to cite that as a souce.

    I found on Yahoo that one estimate is there are 60,000,000 scientists in the world - three times the number I quoted but could not validate the how many are in earth sciences. 20M seems about right.

  • GMG »
    Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    and jester, what did you say THIS time, the least you can do is wait until I read it to get yourself flagged!!!

  • GMG »
    Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ok Ifeelfine, it's just that your post was Sunday morn, and your figures and info seemed pretty specific, so I for one assumed you got it off a web site and could take us to it, but I'm certainly willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    what? my colors weren't showing earlier? I'm losing my edge....

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    where did you get your degree from topekan?

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Topekan - now you're ripping on my college?

    Jester - thanks for showing your true colors.

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    sorry, ifeelfine, i thought you knew what you were talking about. my bad.

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:54 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Is Central Michigan University accredited now?

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:47 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jester and GMG - I told you I am working on it. I have one source but want to validate it before sharing. If you held yourselves up to the standard you are holding me up to, neither of you would ever post a thing.

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:03 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    He has no answer. Thats what happens when you make up stuff and get called on it.....silence.

  • GMG »
    Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    jester - I've asked him too, and he hasn't answered me either.

  • Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ifeelfine:
    you said "Jester - look it up online - that is where I found it."
    Where at online? what's the link?

  • Tom »
    Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    professor x I like your web site---I'm thinking that Ifeelfine and others should go there.
    Gods Blessing
    In Christ
    Tom

  • Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:09 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    http://evolutionfacts.blogspot.com

  • Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:58 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    no where in the bible does it promote racism. However MEN that lacked or lack a true revelation of God will twist it to conform their ignorance.
    Also GMG thanks for allowing me to join the club...lol.

    http://www.biblebelievers.net/CreationScience/kjcevol1.htm
    http://www.soulcare.org/Creation/Evolution.html

    these are just a few.

  • Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    GMG - The teachers I mention are some type of earth science teacher (biology, geology, etc) - not the first grade teacher or high school history teacher. I'll do what I can to cite the source as well.

  • Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    GMG - Tom cited the source already (I haven't double checked it but I know Darwin said something pretty similar so it is probably correct), it is in one of Darwin's books. And I believe it might be one of the books that Google books has so look it up. Cheers!

  • GMG »
    Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:31 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Ifeelfine - Some of these 20 mil scientists include teachers? How do you logically define a teacher as a scientist? Who else would be in this group other than what the normal joe would define as a scientist? And at the risk of sounding impertinent, it is difficult to judge the veracity of an author we can't identify, and thereby make any reasonable assumption as to how this author arrived at this conclusion. Did he actually poll 20 mil people, or did he arrive at this figure through extrapolation? And why just the earth sciences? I wouldn't think someone in earth sciences would be particularly versed on DNA, for instance.

  • Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Tom - You're right, most scientists in Darwins time thought he was wrong - for the same reasons you all do - misguided religious ones. After examining the evidence, they came around.

    Darwin wasn't a prophet, he was a scientist. Some of what he said was proven wrong by other scientists and some of what he said was incorrect speculation, nevertheless, evolution has been proven time and time again. Whether you want to believe it or not, which clearly you don't as you don't even pretend to understand how it works or what it is (equating it with religion, stating ridiculous platitudes, etc), evolution is here to stay.

    BTW: Some outside of our faith claim the Bible is racist too - we know that's not true but you have to admit, its been used to justify some pretty horrible things over the centuries.

  • GMG »
    Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    BooGieONdown - oooooooh, that's a bit of an indictment in the way of Darwin's "logical reasoning" I would say, care to provide the web site you got that from so our evolutionists can research it some? Ifeelfine, if Boogie gives us his, will you give Jester yours?

    And Boogie, welcome to the young earth creationists club with Tom and I.

    Hi Tom, hey how come they flagged you over on that other article - you were in good company with the atheists it would seem!!

  • Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Furthermore, Darwin proposed that the 'fight for survival' also applied between human racial groups. According to that fantastical claim, 'favoured races' were victorious in the struggle. Favoured races, in Darwin's view, were white Europeans. African or Asian races had lagged behind in the struggle for survival. Darwin went further, and suggested that these races would soon lose the "struggle for survival" entirely, and thus disappear:

    At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes… will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.1

    . Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man, 2nd edition, New York, A L. Burt Co., 1874, p. 178


    my prvious statement was according to this.

  • Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Also the theory of evolution, under the surface, has a racist message. Are whites fully evoled while All others and still taking their time to catch up.

  • Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    i thought carpon dating was proven wrong? Have you ever heard of Kent Hovid? (i think thats how you spell his name). i dont think the earth been around as long as many scientist say. 1 book will say 40 million years ago and anouth 9 billion years ago. The earth been around 6k yrs. and yes we have evoled not from apes but in our thoughts and perciption of things; inventions and such. but we were created by God.

  • Tom »
    Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hi GMG and Prophet and all Yep I can imagine ifeelfine is just fuming in is till death do you part belief in his religion of evolution. ifeefine did you know that most scientist at the time of Darwin didn't believe in evolution? That doesn't discount the observations and conclusions of a growing number of scientisit that evolution is as put forth by your prophet darwin is false. hey by the way i can't find any phd attached to darwin cept one in theology, doesn't that seem strange? Gods Blessing
    In Christ
    Toml

  • Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    And scientists include all branches of earth science (that includes teachers, etc)

  • Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jester - look it up online - that is where I found it.

  • Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:08 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ifeelfine, where'd you find those statistics? I'd like to look it up for myself...

  • Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:37 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Tom - There are close to 20,000,000 scientists in the world, less than 1,000 of them take ID seriously in other words, 99.99995% of them don't take ID seriously. I've read a fair bit on both and the "ID theory" always seems to come down to bashing evolution. There doesn't seem to be a real, testable theory.

    Fred - all you need to do is read and see the evidence. Faith is not required in this instance. I have no problems believing in evolution and believing in God. I think evolution makes God that much more awesome. Everything just showing up sounds more like a magic trick (which I don't believe in) than the mighty power of GOD!!! IMHO

    GMG - sorry I did not answer your question. Double major in American History and Journalism (a pre-law emphasis)

  • Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:45 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Where did the matter come from that produced the "Big Bang"? How does a one cell amoeba gain DNA info to mutate millions of times progressively, by continual mutations-gaining positve DNA info millions of times, until it is successful in finding ANOTHER similarly mutated thing that it is able to successfully mate with? How was the DNA ever organized into a living thing to begin with, using pot luck mutations? How can anybody believe that junk and not admit it takes more faith than many Christians have? Darwinism is absolutely unbelievable except as a matter of faith. This new film is showing a new kind of Inquesition. It is just as ugly on the inside as the RCC's Inquesition.

  • Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Some theologians claim that in Genesis 1 between verse 1 and 2 is a huge gap. That there may have been another earth that God had made at one time, but then "made it void and formless", which they say would be where the dinosaur fossils came from. I don't know if i subscribe to that or not. But it could be very well be true. So the earth itself could be older than a couple thousand years...but still fit in with what the Bible is saying.

  • GMG »
    Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Tom, so you belive that God made the earth in 6 days, rested on the 7th, and the earth is approximalely 6000 years old, or at least something close to that time frame? That's a young earth creationist?

    Well, if that's what a young earth creationist is, then I now have a name for my belief also (and boy isn't that about to get us into trouble!!!!!!!).

  • Tom »
    Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    GMG My understanding is there is two theories concerning Creation. Both concerning the time span that Genesis talks about. I.E Either a long period of time or 6 actual days with the 7 a day of rest.
    Gods Blessing
    In Christ
    Tom

  • GMG »
    Sat Dec 01, 2007 7:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Tom, what is a young earth creationist?

    Ifeelfine - My degree is in nursing. What's yours in?

  • Tom »
    Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:53 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    ifeelfine by your own admission you have said your not a expert, but yet you bad mouth and question the intelligence of those who have spent most of their lives studing evolution and it's evidence and/or lack of it. People like Behe,(PHD biochemistry), dembski, (PHD mathematics), Wells, (molecular and cell biology and religious studies), yes there is some controversy but they are not like you or myself, average Joes or Josephine. They acually live this stuff, study it research it and their number is growing ifeelfine. Growing and the research is getting better. Like it or not your diatribes on it not being a science is so lame, it is almost humorous if it wasn't so sad that someone who says they are a Christian can't see the Creator for what He has done and instead tries to rely on his own understanding. That is your prerogative but if you can't look at all the different theories out there and seek to find His truth then you are even more closed minded then the Christian you constantly riducue for their steadfast beliefs. You see. All we do starts with the belief in a God, the Creator and His Bible and what He says in it. Just like you and those that believe in you alls world view have your own presupposition and start your quest from there. I have read both sides of the story ifeelfine for some 50 years now. I was taught it in school a long time ago, read books and articles on it, then started to see that maybe, just maybe there wasn't as much evidence as you all claim. In fact there is none for the evolution that was preach by Darwin. I personally am a young earth creationist but am intrugue by the Science of Intelligent Design and Creationism. Evolutionist at times strike me as spoiled children that wants it their way or they will just take their ball and go home. Anyway it is a fallen world indeed. Gods Blessing on you and yours.
    In Christ
    Tom

  • Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Anyway, the claim this article makes is happening the other direction too. Check this out:

    http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2007/11/expelled-texas.html

  • Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:04 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Nope - I would bet that every poster here is more knowledgable about some subjects than me. What drives me nuts is when folks pretend that ID is science. And their basic premise is, ID is science because evolution is false.

  • Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    It seems Ifeelfine is jealous because someone knows more than him,.

  • Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    eahaddix - What website did you get that off of? It sounds like regurgitated Discovery Institute bull. Methodological Naturalism is just another straw man thrown up by the DI

  • Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    And people try to persuade me that Darwinism isn't a religion.

  • GMG »
    Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:24 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Gosh eahaddix, I lost you after the first few sentences. Guess we know why I'm not a scientist! Pretty impressive.

    Ifeelfine - What field is your Bachelor of Science degree in?

  • Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:05 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Tom - You clearly don't know what a scientific theory is. . . but it seems as though you have no interest in knowing. A theory is a collection of facts to support some proveable observation. Only the natural is included - despite what the folks at the DI would have you believe. They want to change the definition of science. Evolution is a theory just like gravity is a theory.

    Tom - If there were a "completing" theory, I would be all for teaching it but ID is not science.

  • Tom »
    Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:22 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Again I ask then what are you all afraid of,,, let the completing theories be debated in the schools of this counties. I think I know the answer but I would get in trouble if I stated it here.
    Gods Blessing and have a good weekend
    In Christ
    Tom

  • Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:48 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Tom - You're wrong. A scientific theory is a collection of facts (better than "a" fact). ID is just an idea that cannot be tested or proven.

    And when he said "it is a bankrupt hypothesis with no real grounding in reality" I want to know what expertise he has in saying that. I didn't proclaim to be an expert. But for the record, Central Michigan University is where I got my Bachelor's of Science degree.

  • Tom »
    Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:36 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    further more in the many books and articles I have read both for and against i would say there really isn't any experts for evolution, or at least the evolution that your hero Darwin preached as it keeps changing from day to day. So Mr. Evolution what are you guys afraid so much that you absolutely can't handle dissention of any sort, isn't that well a bit cowardly. and don't give me this stuff about the other points of view not being scientific. Till one is proven they are all theories and as such you have to have faith that your particualr world view is true. So again what are you all afraid of. Man am I crabby. Sorry, Gods Blessing
    In Christ
    Tom
    Gods Blessing on you
    In Christ
    Tom

  • Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:27 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    This story is reminiscent of the McCarthy Trials of the 50's. Sounds rather ominous, but just wait. Maybe we'll start hearing incidents of professors being allowed to keep their jobs if they name a few names.
    Should we start calling spiritual warfare the "Spiritual Cold-War"?

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