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Anti-God Bestseller Sparks Anger in Turkey

By Ethan Cole|Christian Post Reporter

International bestseller “The God Delusion” by Oxford biologist Richard Dawkins is sparking anger in religious Turkey, where the publisher of the Turkish edition of the book could face prosecution for insulting believers.

A reader of the anti-God, atheist manifesto complained that the book is an insult to Muslims, Christians, and Jews, said publisher Erol Karaaslan after speaking to the prosecutor on Thursday.

“A Turkish citizen complained, saying that this book was hurtful to members of religions living in Turkey, and wanted the book banned and the publishers punished,” Karaaslan told Reuters.

In the book, Dawkins – sometimes called “Darwin’s rottweiler” – wrote in one chapter that the custom of assuming children share the religious belief as their parents before they are old enough to think for themselves is “child abuse.”

Karaaslan’s company, Kuzey Publications, has printed 6,000 copies of the book and is among the some 30 foreign editions of the bestseller.

The prosecutor has not yet press charges but was considering taking action under a law against “stirring hatred among people,” Karaaslan said.

He is now preparing a written defense and seeking a lawyer.

Turkey, although officially a secular nation, is still considered highly religious with 99.8 percent of the population being Muslim, and the other 0.2 percent mostly Christians and Jews, according to the CIA World Factbook.

A survey measuring public of acceptance of Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution in 34 countries found that Turkey ranked last, just behind the United States, according to Reuters.

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  • Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Richard Dawkins has brought religion together by giving us someone to hate

  • GMG »
    Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ifeelfine - you said "And you other point makes no sense whatsoever: "There were MANY things the people living during bible times didn't know, but if God knew, and if the Bible is His inspired word, then the rest doesn't matter." "

    I was addressing a post of yours previously, which said ""Also, stop treating God as some magician who waves his hand and "poof" things appear. Literal creationism is clearly a Biblical parable. Man could not possibly understand if God had laid out evolution for us at that time. He gave us reason and rational thought and let us come to discover evolution for ourselves."

    My point being, again, that man didn't have to understand evolution to write God's inspired word AS GOD SO INSPIRED IT. So your seeming assertation that if man HAD understood evolution at the time Genesis was written then Genesis would have given an account of evolution is false, unless of course the Bible is not the Word of God.

    Look, if God is all-knowing, etc., and He inspires man to write His word, then it makes no difference what man does or does not know, because God will make sure the information written is sufficient for the knowledge He wishes to impart.

    And please stop saying "end of story". We are not idiots, we also have minds that are capable of reason, would it help you to know that I got all A's through college? Of course it wouldn't, you would still say "end of story". But Ifeelfine, God is the only one that truly has the end of the story, and if my God can come to earth in human form, die for me, resurrect in 3 days, ascend into heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father, and come again for me in the clouds one day, then I have no trouble at all believing that He can "create" anything He wants to.

    And btw, did you ever get that link lined out on the 20M scientists?

  • Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    GMG - The Bible is a book of faith and history - not science.

    And you other point makes no sense whatsoever: "There were MANY things the people living during bible times didn't know, but if God knew, and if the Bible is His inspired word, then the rest doesn't matter."

    If I'm reading that correctly then you agree with me - there are lots of things the folks during Biblical times didnt know - couldn't possibly know but that doesn't matter because God did and does. Right. So that is why evolution happened. They didn't know, God did, end of story.

    And to answer your question, no, the apostles didn't have to know the future - they didn't know all of the future but were still of use to God.

  • GMG »
    Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ifeelfine - It didn't happen that way you say? But the Bible says it did, and just because you have decided you like evolution doesn't mean you speak for the Bible. There were MANY things the people living during bible times didn't know, but if God knew, and if the Bible is His inspired word, then the rest doesn't matter. Do you think the prophets and apostles had to know the future personally to be used of God?

  • Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    HyperionOverseer - Do you see yourself as God? Do you think you are defending God? He doesn't need your defense. You are wrong here anyway.

    I wouldn't pick a fight with God. I might get angry at Him but he forgives me.

    GMG - It didn't happen that way. Now go back to thinking the Sun revolves around the Earth. . . you do believe that, right? That's what the Bible says.

  • GMG »
    Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ifeelfine - "Also, stop treating God as some magician who waves his hand and "poof" things appear. Literal creationism is clearly a Biblical parable. Man could not possibly understand if God had laid out evolution for us at that time. He gave us reason and rational thought and let us come to discover evolution for ourselves."

    Well, if you consider "disappearing" kinda special too, then He did wave His hand and "poof", lameness, blindness, etc. disappeared. Come to think of it, "poof" did cause life to appear in Lazarus.

    And it is true that man during the time of Genesis couldn't conceive of evolution, but they wouldn't need to if God said "I created", all that would have to happen is that His inspired word got written down as He spoke it.

  • Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    maranatha7593 - The folks I know who understand the scientific principles and facts behind evolution have no problem with ID or creationism being taught in school - it just can't be taught in science class - religion class fine.

    As for evolution, you can say what you want but evolution is a fact. It's been proven over and over, ID isn't a scientific theory, never has been never will be. Your comments clearly show your ignorance. We didn't come from "nothing." That's not the way it works.

    Also, stop treating God as some magician who waves his hand and "poof" things appear. Literal creationism is clearly a Biblical parable. Man could not possibly understand if God had laid out evolution for us at that time. He gave us reason and rational thought and let us come to discover evolution for ourselves.

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Correction: The message below was written to letsgetreal, not Falconer33.

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "It's amazing to me that many Atheists spend their lives trying to disprove God."

    Excellent Point, Falconer33. I don't believe in other cultures' gods. Do I spend hours upon hours of quality time railing against those gods and the people who believe in them? Absolutely not. How can one rail against something which isn't there, which isn't real???

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I think it's marvelous that Americans think for themselves and have not swallowed the myths of evolutionary theory which, by the way, have not been proven. I'm actually astounded to see how many have NOT swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. I remember being in school and college taking Biology, Anthropology, and History, having to write the right answers to tests to get A's, while actually chuckling to myself wondering how anyone could actually believe that stuff. It takes a lot of FAITH to believe that ANYTHING can come from nothing.

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    It seems to me it's evolutionists who suppress free thought. They are the ones who won't tolerate any other view of creation being taught in schools. They are the ones who don't want children to be allowed to think outside of the box of evolutionary theory. They have made it perfectly clear they are NOT in favor of true academic freedom.

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Dawkins wrote in one chapter that the custom of assuming children share the religious belief as their parents before they are old enough to think for themselves is “child abuse.”

    This is sheer tripe, and someone who is supposedly as educated as Dawkins surely knows it. I wonder who he thinks he's fooling? How can "assuming" anything be child abuse???

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    GMG - That makes perfect sense.

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    To Falconer33: No way would I stifle debate, I think it's fun and also a Christians role to talk about Jesus. What I don't understand is someone who says they don't believe in God to spend so much of their life's work trying to discredit him. Yet has no problem with America worshipping a Catholic Saint like Santa Clause or any other strange money making tradition. You may say no one believes in Santa, but look how much money is poured out every December in his name. It would be alot more productive to go after the Commercial brainwashing we've endured for years through the Mega Corporations that have taught us to spoil our kids once a year to appease our guilt.

    That may be off the subject, but my response still holds that people seem to be so angry at Jesus and will do all they can to even turn children away from Him.

    Jesus gave us warnings, in 3 books He is recorded saying, What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Matthew 16:26; Mark 8:36; Luke 9:25.

    And then recording 3 times again, Jesus said; But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Matthew 18:6; Mark 9:42; Luke 17:2.

    No, I have not seen the Golden Compass or read the book or any of the others. But I was told by a reliable Family Therapist the book describes some of the worse forms of child abuse he had ever heard. In light of that, I wouldn’t want to read or have anything to do with promoting pain on children which most likely will contribute to unbalanced individuals playing out their fantasies as well as causing a very confused generation to lose more hope with a distorted view of God.

    I myself grew up spoon fed on the junk taught by Freidrich Nietzsche, and his Atheist theory of Nillism, which robbed my young mind for years of all the beauty of God and Life, losing the greatest gifts of Hope, Joy, Peace and Love.

    Since history proves Jesus did exist, then He did speak the above words and all I have to say, Is the cost of being right worth it?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAckfn8yiAQ

  • Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    It's amazing to me that many Atheists spend their lives trying to disprove God. Men like Dawkins and other Atheist authors, scientists and those of you who write here on the Christian Post, talk about God more than the majority of average believers


    Are you trying to silence debate? Are you trying to stifle free thought? Non-believers have the right and sometimes duty to give another view. Why are the creationists trying so hard to insert ID into science classes? Are you (christians) afraid of free thought?

    playing out the authors fantasy of children killing God. Most likely this stems from underlying hidden anger and a fear that He actually does exist.

    Again, great reason why we write books and speak out. You have never read this series and are only regurgitating what you have read on incorrect christian websites. The entity killed was NOT the god of the bible, but an entity PLAYING god to the easily duped. Very common themee in fantasy/sci-fi. Here is an awesome quote:
    Pullman: … I think these people are…it’s ridiculous. It’s very absurd. They never learn. They never learn that if you want to draw attention to a film to make everybody curious to go and see it, then make a fuss about it. It always happens, every single time they try to do this. They never learn.

    And the other thing they never seem to notice is that they are behaving exactly in the way I describe the religious authorities — who have got their hands on political power — as behaving. In other words, they are repressing arguments, they are repressing freedom of speech, they are trying to prevent people from understanding things; they are doing exactly what I describe in the book. It’s not surprising that they are creating a fuss. But I do wonder that they never learn that the result is always the opposite of what they claim they want.

    SOund familiar?

  • Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    It's amazing to me that many Atheists spend their lives trying to disprove God. Men like Dawkins and other Atheist authors, scientists and those of you who write here on the Christian Post, talk about God more than the majority of average believers.

    If you really don't believe in God, He would be no more a threat to you than Saint Nickolaus (aka Santa Clause), whos name the Western World seems to honor with money, probably more than Jesus.

    The aggressive Atheist seems to have a compulsive drive to destroy God at any cost, like the movie coming out the Golden Compass, playing out the authors fantasy of children killing God. Most likely this stems from underlying hidden anger and a fear that He actually does exist.

    Recently I read that most Atheists had terrible relationships with their fathers and view Father God in a distorted way, instead of the loving Father that He is. Our hope is that you may all know Him as the perfect Father and not as the judgemental, abusive or absent father that you may have grown up with.

  • GMG »
    Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:24 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Ifeelfine - the first four sentences were a quote from a post by HampsteadPete, where he states his belief that christians start out with believing in the Bible as God's word and then go backwards for justification; that this involved no reason, science, etc. My question then became, if all christians do this then how do you explain the scientists who began by not believing, then came to a belief BECAUSE OF their scientific studies.

    Make more sense?

  • Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:43 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    GMG - Not sure I'm following you on this one. Please explain.

  • GMG »
    Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:06 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 2

    "Problem is, you all start by assuming the bible is the literal word of god, for no other reason then it says it is. From that point you proceed backwards and parse the various fables to come up with a justification for what you already believed was truth.

    This is not logic, reason or any kind of science, it is nothing but belief without any evidence whatsoever."

    And where do the scientists, evolutionary and otherwise, who have come to a belief in God through their scientific work fit into this idea?

  • Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:41 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    3. Ethical values are derived from human need and interest as tested by experience.
    ... and what determined what ethical values to choose?
    4. Life's fulfillment emerges from individual participation in he service of humane ideals.
    ... that's humanism isnt it.
    5. Humans are social by nature and find meaning in relationships.
    .. and what determined that social nature, I thought we were unguided
    6. Working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness.
    ... what determined that individual happiness is beneficial?

    Still amazing is the fact that the USA is one of the most, if not the most, advanced societies in the world, and a majority do not believe in evolution as the beginning of man... simply amazing.

  • Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:00 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 6

    "so what your saying is that there is no God we evolved from apes they evolved from slime and here we are stuck on this rock in the middle of nowhere man thats so awesome much easier to believe in than a higher power that you will have to answer to someday for all you've done."

    That's close, but what I'm really saying is this:

    1. Knowledge of the world is derived by observation, experimentation, and rational analysis.
    2. Humans are an integral part of nature, the result of unguided evolutionary change.
    3. Ethical values are derived from human need and interest as tested by experience.
    4. Life's fulfillment emerges from individual participation in he service of humane ideals.
    5. Humans are social by nature and find meaning in relationships.
    6. Working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness.

    www.americanhumanist.org

  • Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:28 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    so what your saying is that there is no God we evolved from apes they evolved from slime and here we are stuck on this rock in the middle of nowhere man thats so awesome much easier to believe in than a higher power that you will have to answer to someday for all you've done.

  • Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:51 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 6

    "Don't get me wrong we need to research and learn about our world. It should give us a better appreciation for what God has done."

    Thank you! This is precisely what I mean! You start by assuming god has done it, then try to work backwards to figure out how. That's just NOT the way that science is done, at least not on this planet.

    This is the same way most Christians try to prove their religion is true using "logic and reason." Problem is, you all start by assuming the bible is the literal word of god, for no other reason then it says it is. From that point you proceed backwards and parse the various fables to come up with a justification for what you already believed was truth.

    This is not logic, reason or any kind of science, it is nothing but belief without any evidence whatsoever. I have no problem with this, and if you want to raise yet another generation of ignorant children, have it it. Just don't try and have your myths taught as truth in the public schools.

  • Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:48 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    HampsteadPete,
    Isn't religion grand? The more religious a country seems to be, the more third-worldish it becomes. Keep it up, you will be burning heretics and witches again in no time!

    When did you ever hear me say we should not learn. Moses was taught in egyptian schools. God has give us school to educate the people. You can't understand the Bible if you can't read.
    You can see the order in the universe set in place by God if you don't learn about the world you live. This whole talk about evolution; One, I did or any human has never evolved from an ape. Now we do adapt to our environment like a strong immune system. But we already had the immune system in place. We didn't suddenly get one; And I didn't suddenly evolve overnight either because I resist some strand of diseases. Man errors when he start talking about things he cannot disprove. Just because you can measure it or see it doesn't mean its not there. I don't see every atom in the the air or know where all of them are at all times doesn't mean they don't exist. Yeah, science predict the possible position(s) of them. That's like being a fortune teller makig prediction(s). Don't get me wrong we need to research and learn about our world. It should give us a better appreciation for what God has done. Its amazing how all thing work together. However, just because you build a 15 story skyscraper does not mean you can prove God exist. God is beyond this world you don't understand the parameter to do so. Unless you have come from that place. Now if someone comes from there to tell you about that place, He is an able tell what is real.

  • Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    "Just because a man can reason does not make his research valid."

    What would, in your eyes, make his research valid? If his conclusions agreed with your ignorant preconceived notions? I guess you think we should be proud of our non-acceptance of evolution, when most of the rest of the civilized world laughs at our profound ignorance.

    Isn't religion grand? The more religious a country seems to be, the more third-worldish it becomes. Keep it up, you will be burning heretics and witches again in no time!

  • Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:37 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Theories are filling the mind of "elders. Who are passing these theories to children because they sound legitimate? What is happening has happened before, we are raising generations that will not know God nor understand what he has done. God will hold us to blame for taking hold of "foolishness" as fact. Just because a man can reason does not make his research valid. Research is not necessarily proven. Research is a systematic search for the truth or facts about something. Men are searching for the "Truth" in the world of men. God is not in the world of men. He has left many clues to His nature; Now men search to journals and newspaper for facts and even go to lectures to gain understanding, but men don't truly seek God in the Bible. They don't go to church to gain wisdom. God is a concept for people that sounds far-fetched. However, there is much wisdom in the Bible enough to explain God and our existance. The Bible tells of plagues, storms, famines and wars. It tells our our creation and the world. It tell how we separated ourselves from God. It tell how God, Himself, wrought our Salvation(Jesus) because no man would do it. All the books people read will not give you this knowledge; all the lectures and professors will not answer this question; all the clever trick you come up to justify your existance. When these fail, know this, God is still waiting and wondering what more does He have to do. How many people must die in order for you to believe? Everyone is searching for a miracle to give them justification. The greatest is miracle is life itself, no one has been able to tell you of your purpose in this world. The Lord is knocking at your door why do you not hear. Why won't you let Him come in?

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