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Church|Mon, Dec. 03 2007 11:51 AM EST

Baptist Church Grapples Over Including Gay Couples Photos in Directory

By Audrey Barrick|Christian Post Reporter

Homosexuals have been part of a Baptist church in Texas for decades but a new pictorial directory of membership has divided the church over whether homosexual couples should be pictured together.

Members of Broadway Baptist Church in Fort Worth postponed a vote originally scheduled for this past Sunday that would have determined the layout of the directory – with options including photos of gay couples, photos of gay people individually but not as couples, or photos omitting all individual and family photos, according to The Dallas Morning News.

"We will continue to discuss this issue together as a church family," Kathy Madeja, chair of the deacons, said in a statement. "We do not want to rush to make a decision, but rather to continue to listen to each other and for God's leading for our church."

A decision is expected after deacons make a recommendation on Feb. 24.

The pictorial directory is part of the church's celebration of its 125th anniversary next year. While the moderate Baptist church has long welcomed homosexuals, the possibility of including photos of gay couples in the directory "was troubling to many," Brett Younger, senior pastor said, according to Baptist Press. "[T]hey saw it as a change of direction and it is understandable that they would feel that way."

Some members believe homosexuality is a sin, Younger mentioned during Sunday morning worship, according to the local newspaper. Others, he said, note that Bible verses have been used to justify polygamy, slavery and the oppression of women.

"Broadway has for years had an amazing policy on including gay people. It's not a policy that a committee came up with, or the staff or the deacons. It's an unwritten policy that came out of the shared life of this congregation, a policy I believe was inspired by the Spirit," Younger said, as reported by BP. "This church has for a long time included both gay people who are committed to Christ and members who aren't affirming and who have serious questions, but who are willing to share the church. This has allowed us to be a congregation where the conversation can take place about being gay and being Christians."

But including photos of gay couples in the directory would be too strong an endorsement of homosexuality, some members feel. On the other side of the argument, they say showing gay members in individual photos would constitute unfair "judgment" against gay couples.

"[I]t's hard not to feel like we'll all lose," the head pastor said regarding the controversy.

There's a third option, Younger recommended – forgoing all individual and family pictures in favor of more attention to the church's worship, Sunday school and ministries.

"There are a lot of people who want to take this and make it a statement one way and a lot of people who want to take this make and a statement the other way," he said, according to BP. "But there are a lot more of us who just want to go on learning how to serve Christ and one another better."

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  • Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Part 5
    Verse 24, As their result a abandoning Him, God agreed to abandon them by giving THEM OVER to the results of their CORRUPT thinking. In other words, He let them alone to live as they wished to live.

    NOTICE, HE was attempting to convince them of two things: 1. He was GOD and that he had every right to tell them how to live and 2. that their "sexual impurities" (verse 24) were wrong

  • Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Part two
    Notice verse 21 "For though they knew God...." That's exactly what every "Christian" support of Homosexuality or "Christian" homosexual will say, "They know God". (Really, let's find out...)

    Notice something else, "...They glorified him not as God...." To glorify God in this respect is to believe Him...notice, I said HIM. To hear HIS words and believe them in spite of what circumstances, opinions of men, political winds, or personal feelings may say.

    Notice something about those who DON'T believe him:
    v. 21 their thinking is nonsense. Mind you, this is not a man (you know them as those mean old Christians) stating their thinking is nonsense, it is GOD saying their thinking is NONSENSE.

  • Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:15 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Part two
    Notice verse 21 "For though they knew God...." That's exactly what every "Christian" support of Homosexuality or "Christian" homosexual will say, "They know God". (Really, let's find out...)

    Notice something else, "...They glorified him not as God...." To glorify God in this respect is to believe Him...notice, I said HIM. To hear HIS words and believe them in spite of what circumstances, opinions of men, political winds, or personal feelings may say.

    Notice something about those who DON'T believe him:
    v. 21 their thinking is nonsense. Mind you, this is not a man (you know them as those mean old Christians) stating their thinking is nonsense, it is GOD saying their thinking is NONSENSE.

  • Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Romans 1:21-28 (HCSB)
    21 For though they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God or show gratitude. Instead, their thinking became nonsense, and their senseless minds were darkened.
    22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools
    23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man, birds, four-footed animals, and reptiles.
    24 Therefore God delivered them over in the cravings of their hearts to sexual impurity, so that their bodies were degraded among themselves.
    25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served something created instead of the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
    26 This is why God delivered them over to degrading passions. For even their females exchanged natural sexual intercourse for what is unnatural.
    27 The males in the same way also left natural sexual intercourse with females and were inflamed in their lust for one another. Males committed shameless acts with males and received in their own persons the appropriate penalty for their perversion.
    28 And because they did not think it worthwhile to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them over to a worthless mind to do what is morally wrong.

    It amazes me to no end how any gay supporter or homosexual could read this and not understand the plain Words of God. But the verse answers my apparent "amazement":

  • Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:04 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Its is written on the Bible, Homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    You don't even need to know that this is on the Bible, if you have a TRUE relationship with Him. Then you know it is a sin. It's easy for us to judge. For homosexuals it is impossible to change, but isn't our God the God of impossible things?

  • Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Or how much he glorifies your lusts of the flesh.

  • Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    you should just repent and turn to God for help. Homosexuals should come to salvation
    and you should tell them to repent or you will receive judgement from God. All church is responsible for allowing this to happen. especially the leaders

  • Wed May 28, 2008 11:01 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    We'll also see if God glorifies your desire to convict others of their sin.

  • Tue May 27, 2008 10:25 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    BmoreTeacher
    Whatever. I guess we will see come judgement day whether God glorifies homosexuallity the way so many Americans Christians do. My Bible must be a mis-print. I guess we need a "politically correct" version to go with all the other new translations that have popped up over the last few years.

  • Thu May 15, 2008 1:46 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    First off, what is being preached at this church? If homosexuals can sit in the congregations for decades and not be convicted of their sin, I have to question the message being presented.

    That was an exact quote from your previous posting. You don't convict anyone? Really?

  • Wed May 14, 2008 5:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    BmoreTeacher,I have no problem with gay couples attending church.In fact I encourage it. As far as the pictures, what next? Host their civil union ceremony? (we wouldn't want to risk driving them away from God now would we?)Unless my KJV Bible is printed differently than the rest,Romans ch. 1 gives a pretty clear image of what God thinks of homosexuallity. Do you think Word of God is a lie? I agree that it isn't up to anyone to convict anyone else of sin, I only questioned what was being preached. ie, a watered down gospel or the true Word of God?The fact is homosexuallity is a sin. To openly reward sin in the church would be blasphemous, and make the Word into a lie. If I'm wrong, then I will have to give account to the Lord for it. You will have to give account also. Don't let pollitical correctness be your defense. God is Holy and righteous, something we as a nation know nothing about anymore. This is just another example of how our nation has come to glorify sin.

  • Wed May 14, 2008 8:29 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Don't flag my posts if they're not truly inflammatory. Of course you should publish their photos. If they go to your church, then they're a part of the directory. If you want to expel them from your church (and drive them away from God) then don't publish their picture. Kboswell, you may want to watch the way you talk. It isn't up to anyone to "convict" anyone else, that is up to Jesus. If a gay couple wants to go to church, then they have that right. If it bothers you or you think its that much of a sin, perhaps you should leave or just not sit near them.

  • Tue May 13, 2008 10:34 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    First off, what is being preached at this church? If homosexuals can sit in the congregations for decades and not be convicted of their sin, I have to question the message being presented. Furthermore, how could a true Christian openly condone any part of that abominous lifestyle?Homosexuallity is an abomination to God. There is no two ways about it, it IS a choice,just like whether you choose to rob a bank or just make a withdrawl.We the Church are to love them and encourage them to repent of their sin, but we are not to condone them in any way,shape or form. If God says it is wrong,it is wrong. I will pray for all homosexuals to come to repentance, but I will never in any way support or reward homosexuals for their filthy lifestyle.

  • Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:29 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 4

    We are struggling with this issue. I really appreciate what Jesus4me said and I agree. The hard part is timing. I was filled with Holy Spirit and born again at 19, but it took another 10 years before I completely turned away from my party life style. God didn't give up on me and my mis-steps happened much less frequently until God's way prevailed totally and began to live victoriously. We feel like God will prevail on our gay friends but it may take some time. In the meantime, we are hopeful that they continue to attend church and grow through the preaching, teaching and by reading the Word. We are very clear that we don't condone their lifestyle and that we view it as sin. We also love them as Christ loves them. They obviously can not hold positions of leadership.

  • Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:54 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    "Your anti-Christian bias is very evident."

    No, I'm pro-Christian, which I why I continue to defend the true meaning of Christianity from those who continue to tarnish its name. You say the bible "clearly points out" that homosexuality is a sin, but all those other ways the bible was used to perpetuate injustice are "in the past". You just don't see that that's exactly what you're doing right now.

  • Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:52 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    SheQuon, if this discrimination were truly the case, you could be "one of those Christians". Your anti-Christian bias is very evident. You continuously point out past injustices where the Bible was used inappropriately to justify prejudice. But Christianity is a based on the Bible which clearly spells out that homosexuality is a sin. Your posts constantly state that we should be ashamed of ourselves, and many of us are ashamed of the way the Bible has been used to perpetuate biases in the past. But a true Christian is never ashamed of the word of God.

  • Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:22 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    If anything is "not the Christian way to think" it's the not-letting-go of discrimination. It wasn't too long ago when many so-called Christians used the bible to defend segregation and the banning of interracial marriage. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

  • Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:06 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    1 Timothy 4:1
    [ The Great Apostasy ] Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
    1 Timothy 4:1-3 (in Context) 1 Timothy 4 (Whole Chapter)
    New King James Version (NKJV)
    Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.


    2 Timothy 4:3
    For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
    2 Timothy 4:2-4 (in Context) 2 Timothy 4 (Whole Chapter)
    New King James Version (NKJV)
    Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.


    2 Peter 2:1
    [ Destructive Doctrines ] But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
    2 Peter 2:1-3 (in Context) 2 Peter 2 (Whole Chapter)
    2 Peter 2:4
    [ Doom of False Teachers ] For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;
    2 Peter 2:3-5 (in Context) 2 Peter 2 (Whole Chapter)
    2 Peter 2:12
    [ Depravity of False Teachers ] But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption,
    2 Peter 2:11-13 (in Context) 2 Peter 2 (Whole Chapter)
    2 Peter 2:18
    [ Deceptions of False Teachers ] For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error.
    2 Peter 2:17-19 (in Context) 2 Peter 2 (Whole Chapter)
    New King James Version (NKJV)
    Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.

  • Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:35 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    Mt 19:4-5 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

  • Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:27 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 6

    It seems that most everyone here believes people are gay because the choose to be. As though they are offered whole wheat or rye, and they choose the wrong bread today. That simply isn't true.

    People are gay because that who they are. they dont' choose to be gay anymore than you choose to be straight. If fact, you really can't choose who you fall in love with. you just do. And who you attracted to romantically or sexually is very different from the next person. Some like fatties, some like brunettes, some like assertive type, and so on. We are all different, and God made us that way. To assume that everyone one of the 6 billion people on the planet have to be part of some cookie cutter form isn't correct. It's like saying God created blue eyed people, but didn't want them to see with blue eyes!

    I really have no idea why gay are such a big issue with people. If you aren't gay, then what's the problem?

  • Tue Jan 01, 2008 2:32 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Can a person actually be a "Christian" without allowing them to be pictured in church directories? And, since we're all divided, how can it be controlled?

  • Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:42 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    ifeelfine, we are called to show Jesus Christ to others in hopes that the Lord would move upon their hearts towards repetance of sins. This includes the homosexual. If a person repents of homosexuality and decides to follow Jesus; yes they are trully born again, but if they just said a "sinners prayer" one day, and then went back into the homosexual lifestyle, even after being exhorted to leave that lifestyle based on what the Bible teaches, and continued in that with no aparet desire to have God change their heart into a "new creation" then I would genuinely question their salvation. One can not be born again and continue living in or practicing sins that lead unto death. It goes against the new nature that the Holy Spirit has begun to work and continues to work in the believer. In other words, if a homosexual has repented of homosexuality and decided to follow Christ; if they are trully bor again, and at some point is enticed by his/her lusts and falls back into committing that sin, then the Holy Spirit of God is going to convict them of the sin, becase it goes against what God is doing in their lives, and eventually, if they are trully born again, they wll completely turn their backs on that lifestyle, because that lifestyle goes clearly against God's order of things, and if they are born again, God will not allow that person to stay in that sin, if the person is willing to turn from it, even though they are still struggling with their fleshly desires. See, it is an oxymoron and goes completely against Scripture to say you are a practicing homosexual with a live in partner, or living in the casual form of homosexual fornicaton and claim to also be born again. It is just not possible. The same goes for someone who claims to be a Christian and is living in unrepentant heterosexual sin outside of marriage between one man and one female as God has ordained.

  • Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:30 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    ifelfine wrote:

    "John5796, Oglefam, solascripture - where do you get off saying who can and cannot be a Christian? And solascripture - your comment about liberals makes me wonder where your allegence (sp?) is: God or the Repuglican party."


    Ifeelfine, your constant refusal to accept God's Word as the final authority on homosexuality, adultery, fornication, sodomy, pedophilia, thievery, murdering, etc.., makes me question where your allegiance is. You claim you are Christian, yet you clearly endorse what the Bible calls sin; futhermore you encourage others to do the same by endorsing your post modern views on age old sin. Could it be that your allegiance is to the unrepentant/unsaved people who continue in the homosexual lifestyle, as well as to the evlutionists, secular humanists, ans to the social progressive liberalism and the democratic socialist party; rather than to God and His infallible Word?

  • Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:03 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 1

    Continued to scis4me:

    I also know what God directly told the Israelites in the Law:

    SODOMITES » A proverbial term of reproach applied to those who practiced sodomy (ritual homosexuality) (Deuteronomy 23:17; 1 Kings 14:24;15:12;22:46; 2 Kings 23:7; Job)


    You can also check out Leviticus in the Old Testament and Romans in the New Testament. Both of these have things to say about homosexuality and it being classified as a sexual sin just like adultery, fornication, etc. If you have issue with it, then don't twist the Scriptures and try to bring others down with you, but rather, take it up with God.

    Next time do me a favor will you? When you decide to say that Christians are being biased towards homosexuals, please rephrase that, true born again Christians are commanded to love people, but are also subsequently commanded to hate what God hates, and that is sin. So, I am commanded to love homosexuals, drunkards, thieves, murderers, etc, but I am exhorted, and commanded to certainly not condone their behavior, nor be in line theologically nor spiritually with that behavior, nor follow in their footsteps. If I have been freed from the bondage of sin, how am I going to go back to that same bondage again? NO, it is by the grace ad the love of our Lord esus tat we are saved and we should desire to please Him, and submit our boodies in holiness to Him, and keep them from sexual immorality, and other deadly sins. In order for their to be change in people their needs to be a convicting of the Holy Spirit of God towards repentance. Without repentance, one cannot trully decide to follow Jesus Christ, because He himself compels us to leave our old natures behind and then follow Him. If one accepts Christ as LORD and SAVIOR, that is to accept HIS WORD, and HIS GOSPEL, as well as REPENT of sin nature that so easily ensnares us. We are also exhorted in Scripture to not even eat with someone who calls themselves a Christian brother and is living in adultery, or idolatry, etc.

    Read your Bible in context.

  • Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:51 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Continued to scis4me:

    I do not know of Christ healing a homosexual lover, and leaving it at that, but I do know about the woman at the well who Jesus said “go and sin no more” obviously she was of a repentant heart; hence, Christ forgave her, and she was able to feel His Love, Grace and Mercy all the more so. I also know what the Apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthian Church about sexual immorality:

    1 Corinthians 6:8-20 (NKJV)

    8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
    Glorify God in Body and Spirit

    12 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. 13 Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 And God both raised up the Lord and will also raise us up by His power.
    15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? Certainly not! 16 Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For “the two,” He says, “shall become one flesh.”[b] 17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
    18 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body[c] and in your spirit, which are God’s.

    Footnotes:

    1 Corinthians 6:9 That is, catamites
    1 Corinthians 6:16 Genesis 2:24
    1 Corinthians 6:20 NU-Text ends the verse at body.

  • Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:49 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

    scis4me wrote:

    "There is only a single story in the Bible where Christ (arguably) encountered a gay man. It's the story of the Roman centurion and his ill manservant. When the centurion asked Christ to heal his lover, Christ performed a miracle by healing him from a distance. He didn't take that opportunity to talk about the morality of homosexuality. He saw the faith of the Gentile centurion and simply healed the ill man and moved on."

    Why do you twist the Scriptures and encourage those who do so?

    2nd Peter 2, 1-11

    But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

  • Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:08 pm Agree: 11   Disagree: 3

    ifeelfine72: I hate what is happening to this once great society we live in, and yes, it is not the Christian way to think. Do you realize the seriousness of one who blasphemes the bible, and what it stands for? That is what you and others are doing when you say that homosexuals can be Christians. They certainly can if they repent. Same with adulterers, thieves, and every other sinner. If you continue to live in sin, which is what sodomy is, you are not a Christian. This is so simple, a child can grasp it. I may have my own issues to deal with, but I feel very sorry for those that are blaspheming the spirit in this way, which includes many who claim to be Christian on this forum. The bible was written for all times, including ours, and it is very clear on this subject.

  • Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:39 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 10

    The only people Jesus ever got angry at were the rich, the Pharisees, the hypocritical, etc - he didn't go after the least amonst us. I guess he left that up to folks like you.

  • Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:37 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 8

    John5796 - I feel sorry for you. So much hate in your heart. Do you hear yourself? You sound like Fred Phelps of Westboro Baptist Church

  • Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:32 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "But if your devotion is to God and His word, re-read the Bible and see if you can find a single passage where Christ ever excluded anybody from feelnig welcome in his ministry."

    Whenever Jesus dealt with people who were living in sin, he confronted them about it in a loving way; He never once ignored their sin. He said, "Go and sin no more". Repentance of sin leads to salvation.

  • Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:17 am Agree: 9   Disagree: 1

    ifeelfine72: Answer---the BIBLE. Read it. Then you will know why a homosexual pervert cannot be a Christian. I cannot believe the utter ignorance going on today along with trying to re write the bible.

  • Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:52 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    scis4me, what Bible are you reading this from? I can't even find an inference that the centurion and his manservent were lovers. I know you prefaced your statement with "(arguably)", but still...even if you go back to the Greek the word used is ENTIMOC which just means highly valued. It's this "rewriting" of the Bible that really scares me!!!

  • Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:29 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 9

    John5796, Oglefam, solascripture - where do you get off saying who can and cannot be a Christian? And solascripture - your comment about liberals makes me wonder where your allegence (sp?) is: God or the Repuglican party.

  • Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:24 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Tom - Look it up: Ezekiel 16:49

  • Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:00 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 6

    Folks, it seems that many are missing the point. If you're a Christian, then by definition you believe that the Bible is the word of God and that Christ was the Messiah. The Bible teaches that Christ came to Earth for many reasons. He came to teach and to save us. He also came to widen the circle. He wanted everybody to know that they had a room in His Father's house. That includes straights, gays, bisexuals, non-sexuals, and every other classification you can think of. In fact the only people that Christ consistantly critisized for behavior were the religious leaders of his day for being exclusionary.

    There is only a single story in the Bible where Christ (arguably) encountered a gay man. It's the story of the Roman centurion and his ill manservant. When the centurion asked Christ to heal his lover, Christ performed a miracle by healing him from a distance. He didn't take that opportunity to talk about the morality of homosexuality. He saw the faith of the Gentile centurion and simply healed the ill man and moved on.

    Now, if you've got a personal bias against homosexuals or if you're devoted to your church and your church has a bias against them, then there is nothing I can say or do to get you to open your hearts. But if your devotion is to God and His word, re-read the Bible and see if you can find a single passage where Christ ever excluded anybody from feelnig welcome in his ministry.

  • Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:44 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 3

    Ditto to the 2 previous posts. A "gay Christian" is not possible, at least not if we're referring to the same Christ and the same bible.

  • Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:07 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    There has never been nor ever will be a gay Christian. Romans1 and 2.

  • Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:50 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    The term "gay christian" is a complete contradiction .Anyone who is truly born again is given a new nature ,therefore being gay is not compatible with being a christian .True christians need to rid themselves of liberals within their midst who are draging the church into the gutter

  • Tom »
    Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ifeelfine--- I only do what you say you do--I look at the research and it SAYs they are not born that way and that they can change. And like Joe12234 says if somewhere down the line it is proven so what---It is according to the Bible SIN and God is willing to help them change. Do you stand for anything Scripture does? We are praying for ya Gods Blessing----oh even if at some time in my life I needed to squelch any gay tendencies as you say. God would of healed me from them when I accept Christ as Lord and repented and turn away from sin. Sorry as many people have tried to show you over and over, people a lot more learned in Scripture then you or I, Sodom and Gormmorra were destroyed for there sexual immorality of which Homosexuality was a big part, please quit trying to change the Bible. Gods Blessing on ya
    In Christ
    Tom

  • Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:39 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    maranatha7593 - I can see that you didn't even bother to read my post.

  • Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:17 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Quoted from livingwaters.com:

    Homosexuals [and those who support their lifestyle] argue that they did not make a conscious decision to be that way, so it must be natural. They are born that way—just as all of us are born with a sin nature and sinful desires (Ephesians 2:1– ). [...] it is natural for them, and for all of us, to be tempted to do things that God says are wrong. In the same way, pedophiles and adulterers (alcoholics, drug addicts, etc.) don’t make a conscious decision to "choose" that self-destructive lifestyle, they simply give in to their sinful desires. However, although sin is natural for unbelievers, that doesn’t mean God wants them to remain that way. God can set them free from their sinful nature (Romans 7:23–8:2), give them new desires (Ephesians 4:22–24), and help them withstand temptations (1 Corinthians 10:13)

  • Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:53 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    ifeelfine72, some people are born with a predilection to child molestation. Do we just excuse them, pat them on the back, and tell them it's okay for them to molest children because "they were born that way"?

    The Bible says that all are born in sin, that we must come to Christ and receive a new heart, a new mind, in order to be saved.

    We also know that many homosexuals were not born that way, but that the evil spirit of that perversion was transferred to them when they were molested by homosexuals when they were children.

    Either way, God is ready and willing to save and to deliver from sin.

  • Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:50 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "There's FAR more to parenting than just punishing your children"

    I totally agree. As a parent, I realize it's ultra-important to set Godly examples before our children's eyes so they won't be confused about what is right and what is wrong. I would not attend a church which condones immorality for this reason, whether it's homosexuals living together or heterosexuals living together without having taken marriage vows.

  • Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:46 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Farscry, I truly believe that we do not love homosexuals if we neglect to give them the truth of God's Word so that they can be saved and delivered. If someone's home were on fire while they were sleeping, and you made no effort to wake them up and save them out of the fire, would you consider yourself a caring friend? The Lord tells us that if we don't speak the truth of His Word in love to those who are in bondage to sin, their blood will be on our hands.

  • Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:40 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Tom, TUPRBABE, you both missed my point, and I apologize for not being clearer.

    I wasn't saying that Christians should condone homosexuality. I was saying that what saddens me is that far too much effort is spent removing the planks from our neighbor's eyes, out of proportion to what the Bible teaches us. Teaching and mentoring our brothers and sisters to help them overcome sin is but a part of our charge. I quoted Jesus to point out that He taught us the greatest commandment is to love God with all our soul, and to love our neighbor as our brother.

    Far too often in my experience, that need for self-discernment and self-sacrifice for the genuine unconditional benefit of all others is overlooked, and instead too much time and effort is sacrificed in hot-button issues like homosexuality.

    I don't know what's right in the case of Broadway Baptist Church, and I won't presume to speak for them in God's place. Yet while this story made the news in this Christian news site, we aren't seeing any news on what they're doing in their community to unconditionally help others.

    The internet is a difficult medium to get my thoughts across much of the time. Much easier when you can sit across a table from someone and have a friendly chat. :)

  • Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Tom - Were you born heterosexual? Or do you have gay tendancies that you need to hold back? Then how would you know that gay people aren't born that way? I'm sure someone here will say, there are those that are born with the prediliction towards alcohol or whatever but alcohol gets us all drunk. Homosexuality doesn't turn us all on. And the whole beastiality thing or pedophilia thing aren't the same at all and you all know it. Those are things with non-consenting adults - essentially the same as rape.

    They are born that way and if folks are teaching your kids that then I guess they are learning something, aren't they.

  • Tom »
    Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:26 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    ifeelfine it doesn't say rape my friend but it does mention sexual immorality and sexual perversion both of which homosexuality is according to yep the Bible. Farscry i don't have a problem with someone who is gay coming to my church. I do have a problem when they try to get us to deny that the lifestyle is a sin and twist the scriptures around to support their postion. Then try and shut up those who oppose them but using dubious legal means and then try to teach my kids it is a alternative lifestlye that is normal or they are born that way that's what I object to. Gods Blessing
    In Christ
    Tom

  • Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:58 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Farscry, being "arrogant, overfed and unconcerned", who do "not help the poor and needy" was ONE reason that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, but the other was perverted sexual practices:

    "And don't forget the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with sexual immorality AND EVERY KIND OF SEXUAL PERVERSION. THOSE CITIES WERE DESTROYED BY FIRE AND ARE A WARNING OF THE ETERNAL FIRE THAT WILL PUNISH ALL WHO ARE EVIL." Jude 7

    Please note that the warnings of Jude were written to BELIEVERS, not UNBELIEVERS, so that they would not wander into sin and be eternally condemned. [There is no such thing as "Once Saved, Always Saved."]

    You say that it "saddens" you that the church is not concerned about "ensuring their church community is being the caretakers of mankind that Jesus tells us to be." Well, if you try to preach the gospel to sinners while you yourself are living in sin, you have no testimony. Paul's admonition to "expel the wicked one from among you" was written so that the Christian testimony of the church could be preserved.

    And besides, if you allow someone to think that they are just fine spiritually while they are living in outright sin, you share in not only their sin, but their punishment:

    Ezekiel 3:18 - If I warn the wicked, saying, `You are under the penalty of death,' but you fail to deliver the warning, they will die in their sins. And I WILL HOLD YOU RESPONSIBLE, DEMANDING YOUR BLOOD FOR THEIRS.

    A true, caring Christian exhorts fellow believers to repent for salvation's sake.

    If you have a problem with expelling people from the church for living in willful sin, you need to take it up with Paul.

  • Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:41 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "And one other thing ...
    1 Corinthians 5:12-13 - It isn't my responsibility to judge outsiders, but IT CERTAINLY IS YOUR JOB TO JUDGE THOSE INSIDE THE CHURCH WHO ARE SINNING IN THESE WAYS. [See verse 11 in post below.] God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, "YOU MUST REMOVE THE EVIL PERSON FROM AMONG YOU."" - TUPRBABE

    Do you extend this to the people who are "arrogant, overfed and unconcerned", who do "not help the poor and needy." as the Bible explicitly states was a primary reason for the destruction of Sodom? In my reading of the Bible (cover to cover, multiple times) and my relationship with God, my heart grows weary over the accepted evils of most contemporary US Christians who would rather take a little hot air to spout over the sins of their fellow man than to take a hard look at their own selfishness and arrogance to try to turn this nation into the generous, caring Christian nation it should be, not the cold, capitalist, hedonistic nation that middle-class Christian America is.

    It genuinely saddens me that a Christian can be more concerned about whether they have gay members in their photo directory (or even gay members at all) than they are about ensuring their church community is being the caretakers of mankind that Jesus tells us to be. :( There's FAR more to parenting than just punishing your children, and there's FAR more to who a Christian should be than trying to point out how sinful someone is.

  • jitw »
    Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ... btw I flagged that 4:28 post myself, thinking it would give me options to delete the double-posting ... nothing in it was inappropriate.

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