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Saddleback's Conference on AIDS Gave Hillary Evangelical Cover

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Wed, Dec. 05 2007 08:46 AM ET
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Democratic Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton recently shared the stage with evangelical leader Rick Warren during the Saddleback sponsored “Global Summit on Aids and the Church” conference. Her appearance at the conference, sponsored by a supposedly conservative mega church ,left many questioning why. Why Hillary and why now? Similar questions were raised at last year’s conference when pro-abortion Senator Barak Obama was invited to address the crowd. This year, Hillary was joined via videotape by Senator Obama and four other presidential contenders including former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, Arizona Senator John McCain, former Senator John Edwards and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney.

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Dr. Tony Beam

Because Rick Warren is a fellow evangelical and has rightly earned the respect and trust of many in the evangelical community (myself included) I am reluctant and yet compelled to question the judgment of including people on the program who do not support the Bible’s teaching concerning the sanctity of life and the protection of the family. Many argue that conservative evangelicals should agree to work with those with whom they disagree on an issue that is as important as the AIDS epidemic. I have no problem with working with people I disagree with when we share a legitimate common cause as long as the cause is correct. Many times I have marched in Washington D.C. with people from the ellipse of the White House to the Supreme Court building when the only thread of commonality binding us together was the sanctity of life.

I understand both the urgency of the AIDS crisis and the critical need for the Church to come to the assistance of those who are suffering. As believers in Jesus Christ we should be the first in line to offer love, compassion, comfort and economic resources to help stem the rising tide of AIDS. At the same time we should “speak the truth in love” about the real solution to all sexually transmitted diseases…..one man for one woman for life and all within the context of marriage. If we could somehow find the courage to return to this simple yet powerful biblical model we could come very close to eradicating the AIDS virus in a generation.

But there is a huge difference between standing shoulder to shoulder with someone and offering them the opportunity to stand on our shoulders for a political boost. Senator Clinton has a keen understanding of what happened to the radical left leaning agenda of John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election. She watched as a surge of evangelical voters kept President Bush in the White House and widened the Republican majority in both the House and the Senate. Determined to prevent evangelicals from derailing her trip to the White House in 08 she hired Burns Strider as an “evangelical consultant” for her campaign. Strider joined the campaign in December of 2006 to help Senator Clinton speak the language of Zion without stuttering or being misunderstood.

According to Christian Today writer Anne Thomas, Strider was the director for the Democrats Faith Working group, which was formed by Speaker Nancy Pelosi when Democratic strategists realized the party was failing to reach “centrist and conservative voters in rural areas, who tend to be churchgoers concerned with moral issues.”

There is no question Burns Strider is earning his pay. When asked about Senator Clinton’s appearance with Warren at Saddleback Strider said, “Obviously coming to Saddleback being with Rick and Kay Warren and all these leaders brought together, it’s a substantial opportunity for anybody.”

I wonder exactly what kind of substantial opportunity Strider is talking about. If he means it was a substantial opportunity for Hillary to present herself in a positive light next to a respected evangelical leader so she can capture an air of Christian legitimacy for her campaign she appears to have succeeded. Several evangelicals who attended the conference said Hillary’s appearance “softened their view of her.” Cindy Logan told WorldNetDaily she “saw a softer side of her that I haven’t seen before.” She went on to say, “She was very articulate. I liked her approach.”

Tonie Kennedy, another member of Saddleback was even more complimentary. After hearing her speak she concluded, “Inviting Clinton was a good decision. It shows me she has her own faith and that she has an interest in what ‘s going on in the churches.”

And therein lies the problem with offering a platform to those who would turn it into a springboard for the advancement of an overall agenda that would make most evangelicals blood run cold. The Democrat Party would like for evangelicals to forget they are the party of radical homosexual activists who would destroy the biblical concept of the family and who would like nothing better than to pass hate crime legislation that would criminalize Christian teaching on sexuality. They would like for us to focus exclusively on the AIDS epidemic and ignore the moral implications of abortion on demand.

If prominent, respected evangelical leaders continue to provide unintentional Christian cover for those who preach a scripted gospel and who would use the power of the government to redefine Christian morality we will reap the consequences of a confused Christian electorate come Election Day.
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Dr. Tony Beam is Vice-President for Student Services and Director of the Christian Worldview Center at North Greenville University in Tigerville, South Carolina.

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prodriver
  • Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:15 am
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I will now take distance to this "Warren"-topic and take it the way 1. Timothy 6 and especially 7 tells it.

There is nothing in arguing about a man like him. We see thing differenly but, pls be carefull not to condemn followers, just because they see things not like you and have a different view on scripture.

Keep your eyes open, check what people preach, and keep distance to those who deny Jesus and his word, but be wise how to react on real false teaching.

Gods truth is not our truth, he knows what is beyond what we do and say and think and he knows his people by name.

adios
prodriver
  • Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:59 am
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I believe that things are not put the right way.
We are called to help people, phisically and spiritually. There´s no doubt about that, is there?

Rick uses his social status and the church he is leading to do that.

He does not unite with external programmes, but he takes influencive people and integrates them for the job he things he has to do. There is nothing wrong about that.
There´s a chance in it. Those people hear about his motivation and hear the gospel, they can accept and reject it personally but they bring the attention of the crowds to what Christians have to do.
I do not see anything against the scripture in what Rick teaches.

He uses up to date economical wisdom to professionalise the work in church, there is nothing wrong about that, just because it is knowledge that has truth.
If I am ill, I also go to a doctor (maybe even a non christian one) to seek help. His wisdom also comes from human science about health. In addition I pray for God help and strength.

If I open up a christian mission programm like "adopt a child" then I also have to deal with non christians. I have to collect money and combine power behind me, even non christian money and even non christian power BUT they support Christs work on earth. If Rick supportet a non christian Aids campain with his church things would be different, but the action comes from saddleback - do you get the point?

WE are called to do what we can do as perfect as we can by Gods grace, that God can show his strength and mighty through us.
Rick is a true believer using what he was given to do what he is called to do. He makes mistakes and because he is public everyone sees and argues about him.

My friends I really think you are wrong. Take the doctors example and think over your motives when critizinsing him.

He is not pro world, not pro Rick, he is pro creation, pro life, and most of all pro Christ and now I will stop talking pro Rick, for the truth will reveal itself very soon.

We take the responsibilty for every word we say before God.
jc4me
  • Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:47 pm
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Mk8:34: I must say amen and amen.

mcfbc:

I never said that Bono or Clinton were the antichrist. I was only pointing out the facts. If Rick Warren claims to be a teacher of the whole counsel of God, he will not unite with those who would like to see a one world religion and sponsor COEXIST (Bono), or bring on a woman who is clearly pro abortion and has done many things to destroy what is true and what is right here in America (Hillary). mcfbc, if you so choose to follow in their footsteps, that is something you wilLhave to choose for yourself. I can't make up your mind for you. If you agree with the emergent church and it's liberal/progressive/post modern stance on the Word and Christianity, then you and you alone will have to answer to God for not wanting to open your ears, your eyes, and your heart to the whole counsel of God. The emergent seeker frinedly church preaches both a watered down form of gospel, and false teaching as well. It is heresy my dear friend. Study the Word; not just the parts you like, but read the parts you don't like as well, and if you are born again, then ask God to reveal the Word to you by His Holy Spirit.

We are trully in the end times, and whether Bono, and/or Clinton will be participants in pushing for the "global peace" and one world religeon that the antichrist will be forcing upon the world, I do not know, but the Bible warns that "global peace" will not occur trully on this earth until Christ returns and detroys His enemy's, and the antichrist, and the false prophet and then He will rule and reign, and true peace will be on the earth. Do not be deceived. I pray that God will somehow open your eyes to His Word, and that He would give you discernment about these things.
Mk8:34
  • Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:23 pm
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The word Christ comes from the word Messiah or the Annointed. In my spirit I do not bear any witness or annointing coming from either Clinton or Bono no matter how loud the appause they are receiving.. His Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are his children.The sheep do not hear the voice of the stranger but the Shephard.
mcfbc
  • Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:21 am
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Just a reminder to all those blasting Warren for giving Clinton a forum. Warren also invited all the major republican candidates to speak. But they turned him down. If we are in the end times, is Warren the anti-christ? Or is it Bono?
jc4me
  • Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:23 pm
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I am convinced Jesus will return soon for His Bride, and we are living in the end times brother, and make no mistake about it, the "emergent conversation", the "emergent church", the COEXIST Movement, and BOno from U2 along with the Rick Warrens of the world with their social gospel are creating a "bridge" between Christianity and Eaastern as well as Catholic Mysticism wich is really new age.

Read up more on the social liberalism of the emergent church, and the many seductive false doctrines such as contemplative prayer (which is really eastern mysticism), the bringing back of icons to "feel" God move in people's midsts, you can eve read up on Brian Mclaren's (The man who is credited to being the founder of this liberal church movement) view, as well as many of their leaders views on hell and homosexuality, and you will see they are totally extra biblical. you can find more info on this at www.understandthetimes.org, and www.apprising.org.

The emergent church preaches an extra biblical gospel that is more in line with the new age than it is with Sound Doctrine based Biblical Christianity. Many of them - to mention one - Tony Campolo recently told a young reader how to have a born again experience thru contemplative prayer! Imagine that, the Bible says there is only one way to God and that is Jesus Christ, and here is a so called evangelical preacher (not really evangelical even though he calls himself this) and he is teaching an eastern mystical practice taught in the Roman Catholic Church and the Jessuit Order. Now imagine that, he is adoptig practices from a church that teaches the deification of Mary as being co-redemptrix with Christ. This is heresy my brother, and we need to exhort others in love, and pray for their eyes to be quickly opened to this deception in the church; that they may see this for what it is, and that the Holy Spirit in mercy and grace may convict their hearts to repent and come back.
jc4me
  • Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:22 pm
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will say this as tactfully, and as lovingly as I can to all who side with Rick Warren in this ecumenical drive to unite the worlds religeons. Be warned, for this is what the Bible says: God is gracious and merciful, and will forgive those who turn to Him thru Jesus Christ with a repentant heart, and choose to fllow Him. However, He is the Righteous God, and He will judge those who deliberately turned their backs on Him and His Son - Jesus Christ because of their obstinate rebellion and continual rejection of His Son. Read the Bible in context, and then comment on it. We cannot, and should not have felowship with those who claim to be Christians yet don't obey His Word, and HIs Salvation Message. The post modern liberal Emergent church, and it's seeker sensitive counterparts want people to believe that if we all save the environment, and save the whales, the events of the Book of Revelation will not happen, and we can actually prevent it from happening. This similar social gospel which claims that we should make the world a better place, and usher in peace prior to Jesus' second coming, as well as unite with all people of faiths has been adopted by Rick Warren, and has caused whole splits in the Southern Baptist Convention, because he has gone down the Purpose Driven P.E.A.C.E Plan agenda, which by the way is a false doctrine my friends. These movements which align themselves with Bono from U2 and the whole COEXIST crowd have more in common with humanism, one world religeon, and the new age than what the Bible says will transpire. The problem today is that we have so many "Bible teachers" who are more motivational speakers than true shepherd's of the flock of God. No wonder the Body of Christ is split. The Bible talks of a great falling away in the end times. Men will naturally gravitate towards what their "itching ears" want to hear. What more itching do you need than what you hear on TBN, and the like: "find success", "you are the controller of your own destiny" "God will prosper you if you just have faith [and send me your money]". They take Scripture out of context to suit their own desires, and fleece the flock of God for their own matierial gain. OPEN YOUR EYES and STUDY the WORD IN CONTEXT; for Christ will return soon.
wrhalver
  • Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:00 pm
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It seems that sharing a stage with Rick Warren is becoming comparable to sharing a stage with Oprah Winfrey.

They both deliver a sizeable and accepting audience.
didymus
  • Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:17 pm
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I agree with mcfbc’s comment below.

My blood is already running cold from the current overall agenda that many evangelicals have. Especially with all the hyperbole, over simplification, misinformation, and out-right lies that so many of their political wingnuts use. It’s good to see other evangelicals broadening their horizons, willing to work with both parties on a broad spectrum of issues, and not just be lackeys for the Republican Party agenda.

http://didymuspov.blogspot.com/
jc4me
  • Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:13 pm
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Here is some proof of Hillary's abortion stance which is not only immoral, but can be considered murder biblically speaking.

Article: A Look Back at Senator Hillary Clinton's January 25, 2005 Speech on "Reproductive Rights"

http://www.thinkinboutstuff.com/thinkinboutstuff/nfblog/clinton_abortion.html.

Besides, when has God ever exhorted a pastor to work along side unbelievers in getting His work done. The Bible teaches us to preach the Gospel and live our lives in such a way that our very lives are te living breathing Gospel of Christ being shown in our way of life. It nowhere exhort us to pull in an ecumenical drive of politicians, pro-abortion groups, pro-gay groups and secular media to try to fill up a mega church. No, in fact, if you want to see a model for church growth - it's not "purpose Driven" for that matter; rather it is found in the Book of Acts. God added to their numbers daily; not Rick Waren, not the emerging church movement, not some new church growth program that is new and improved, not some other book for 7.99 a copy if your church purchases more than 100 copies specifically to teach a man's agenda on "purpose Driven" or "man Driven" or what not for a small study group, not some TV evangelist who sells dolls with themself and their wife with a small glass jar with "jerusalem holy water and a show that is so spectacular with glitze and glamour, not where wordly politicians get screen play, and few "evangelicals" or in this case i should say a few "ecumenicals" choose to allow this "social gospel arena to take place.
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