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Poll: 1 Out of 6 Won’t Vote for Mormon President

By Jennifer Riley|Christian Post Reporter

A poll conducted immediately following presidential contender Mitt Romney’s faith speech last week found that about one out of six Americans still say they would not support their party’s nominee if that person was a Mormon.

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    Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney responds to a question during the Univision Republican Presidential Candidate Forum at the University of Miami in Coral Gables, Fla. Sunday, Dec. 9, 2007.

Seventeen percent of Americans, including similar proportions of Republicans and Democrats, responded they were unwilling to vote for a Mormon presidential candidate even if the person was “generally well-qualified” for the position, according to The Gallup Poll released Tuesday.

The Dec. 6-9 survey showed that Americans’ opinion on voting for a Mormon candidate for president has changed little since this question was asked by Gallup in 1967.

Four decades ago when Romney’s father - former Michigan Gov. George Romney – was seeking the presidency, 17 percent of Americans had also said they would not support a Mormon as their party’s nominee for president.

Likewise in 1999, 17 percent of respondents also expressed unwillingness to vote for a Mormon for president.

But opposition to a Mormon presidential candidate has decreased since the beginning of this year.

In early February before Romney first officially declared his candidacy, the percentage opposed to the party’s nomination of a Mormon was 24 percent. The statistic dropped to 19 percent in March, after he entered the race. An August Gallup poll, meanwhile, showed 22 percent of Americans think being Mormon is an “undesirable” characteristic for the next president.

Last Thursday, Romney delivered a much-anticipated speech on “Faith in America,” partly aiming to reassure evangelical voters who are suspicious of Mormonism. The speech, which he had resisted to give for months, was also likely delivered in response to former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee’s sudden lead in Iowa caucus polls. Romney had been leading in Iowa for months.

Although Romney may have cared more about his speech’s impact on conservative Republicans, the latest Gallup poll shows that it had the same effect whether the listener was Republican or Democrat.

Even after the speech, the poll suggests attitudes have changed little despite the candidate’s effort to address concerns on how Mormonism would affect his decisions as president.

Eighteen percent of both groups say they would not vote for a Mormon, similar to the 20 percent to 21 percent that gave the same response in March.

A February 2007 Gallup poll, however, showed Republicans were more opposed to voting for a Mormon candidate. Thirty percent of Republicans compared to 23 percent of Democrats expressed opposition.

Gallup concluded by commenting: “Up to 14 percent of Republicans have supported Romney for his party’s nomination at various times since June 2007. Still, he clearly faces some anti-Mormon opposition to his candidacy within the Republican Party as well as among the general public.”

The Gallup Poll also found additional biases potentially harmful to other candidates from both major parties, including: 4 percent of Americans (including 3 percent Republicans) say they would not vote for a Catholic; 5 percent would not vote for a black; 12 percent would not vote for a woman; and 12 percent would not vote for a Hispanic.

In addition, a Gallup poll earlier this year found 28 percent of Americans say they would not vote for someone who is on his third marriage, and 40 percent would not vote for someone who is 72 years of age.

Results from the latest survey are based on telephone interviews conducted Dec. 6-9, 2007, with 1,027 national adults, aged 18 and older.

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  • Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    wow jester, now if that isn't narrow-minded ignorance I don't know what is!

  • Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

    2nd Corinthians 11:12-15

  • Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same" (D&C 1:38).

  • Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    What did I expect? Something not quite so "fake". But then, I do expect too much.

  • Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    What were you expecting to find? The gospel doesn't change from one scripture to another. It is the same to whomever the Lord reveals it.

  • Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Wow...i should read your scriptures. its amazing how the BOM takes actual scriptures from the Bible and uses them (for authenticity sake of course. how else are people gonna believe that God gave the BOM if you don't throw some truth in there) to propigate a lie.
    "precept upon precept" Isaiah 28:13
    "from them that shall say, We have enough, from them shall be taken away even that which they have" strikingly similar to Matthew 25:29 which says "For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away."

  • Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "For behold, thus saith the Lord God: I will give unto the children of men line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little; and blessed are those who hearken unto my precepts, and lend an ear unto my counsel, for they shall learn wisdom; for unto him that receiveth I will give more; and from them that shall say, We have enough, from them shall be taken away even that which they have" (2 Nephi 28:30).

  • Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Good luck then.

  • Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    be that as it may, I will still stick with the one and only true Word of God. We've got a Bible store just down the street filled with books that mention Jesus and even quote and use the Bible as a refrence, but it doesn't make them right or true. To look at whether their message is supported by the Bible is the true test (not just whether they threw "Jesus" and "God" in there from time to time or used a few scriptures....Purpose Driven Life is a good example of someone using the Word of God erroneously and promoting false doctrine)...that is where I compare ALL teachings. And the BOM, although it uses God and Jesus as their point of authenticity, doesn't make it true.
    When people post a scripture, I always check the reference first before i read. If it's not from the Bible, I usually ignore it.

  • Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:07 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The Book of Mormon is the word of God, as is the Bible. It talks of Christ, preaches of Christ, teaches of Christ and His atonement. An name or title of Christ appears every 1.7 verses. It preaches repentance, and faith on our Lord and Savior. It is another testament of Jesus Christ. I will live by every word that proceeds forth from the mouth of God, not just the ones I pick and choose.

  • Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:52 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    hesa, try to stick with the Word of God. Quoting the BOM is like quoting from The Lord of the Rings trilogy. Means absolutely nothing.
    And I'd like to agree with you about salvation, but unfortunately it goes against the Word of God. which is what i live by.

  • Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:50 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Salvation cannot come until there is a judgment. The final judgment will not come until after the millenium. Christ will be that Final Judge (Rom. 14:10).

    God does all those things for us because of His transcendent love for us. It is not something that we have "earned" because we think we've been saved. Christ healed many lepers, blind, etc., and not one of them had been "saved." He just did it for them. If we show even a seed of faith, then God is able to work miracles in our lives. That is not because we have been saved and exalted in His kingdom, but is a demonstration of God's love in our lives, and an evidence of our faith in Him. If it were possible to be saved in an instant, then what would the purpose be for this life? Why would people stick around? People would be killing themselves right and left once they had been saved just to get out of this fallen world. No, we must endure to the end. Receiving forgiveness of sin is a far cry from being saved in the kingdom of God. The steps are faith in Christ, repentence, baptism by immersion for the remission of sins, and receiving the gift of the holy ghost by the laying on of hands, after which we endure to the end following all of God's commandments.

    "17 Wherefore, do the things which I have told you I have seen that your Lord and your Redeemer should do; for, for this cause have they been shown unto me, that ye might know the gate by which ye should enter. For the gate by which ye should enter is repentance and baptism by water; and then cometh a remission of your sins by fire and by the Holy Ghost.
    18 And then are ye in this strait and narrow path which leads to eternal life; yea, ye have entered in by the gate; ye have done according to the commandments of the Father and the Son; and ye have received the Holy Ghost, which witnesses of the Father and the Son, unto the fulfilling of the promise which he hath made, that if ye entered in by the way ye should receive.
    19 And now, my beloved brethren, after ye have gotten into this strait and narrow path, I would ask if all is done? Behold, I say unto you, Nay; for ye have not come thus far save it were by the word of Christ with unshaken faith in him, relying wholly upon the merits of him who is mighty to save.
    20 Wherefore, ye must press forward with a steadfastness in Christ, having a perfect brightness of hope, and a love of God and of all men. Wherefore, if ye shall press forward, feasting upon the word of Christ, and endure to the end, behold, thus saith the Father: Ye shall have eternal life.
    21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen" (2 Nephi 31:17-21).

  • Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    So, salvation does not come until the end of days? And that all these things that God does for us (i.e delivering us from habits, freeing us from addictions, healing us, blessing us) is because of....?
    being delivered, set free, healed and blessed does not bring salvation. Salvation brings those blessings. And if we are not saved until we have "endured" to the end, then something is wrong. And if we are not considered saved until we have accepted Jesus, been baptized, and filled with the Holy Spirit, then there is still something wrong. I have known people who were enslaved to drugs, porn, alcohol, etc, who were delivered as soon as they gave their heart to God. They hadn't been baptized in water or Spirit yet. Many of them had gone years after their salvation without receiving the Holy Spirit's baptism...and yet God used them and blessed them. How do you explain that? Apparently, God's view of being a child of His is different from yours.

  • Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    A person gets saved only insomuch as they quit fornicating, quit lying, cheating, etc., AND have faith in Jesus Christ, are baptized by immersion for the remission of sins by one having the authority of God, receive the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands, and endure to the end by daily repenting, following all the commandments of God, and feasting on the words of Christ which He has given through the scriptures and the living prophets and apostles.

    That is how a person is saved.

  • Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    So, if a person "gets saved" and does nothing, except quits fornicating, quits lying, cheating, etc etc...but doesn't actually "do and works"...is that person saved? Through his "salvation" he becomes a changed man....but he's not truly saved...

  • Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Salvation is simple and easy. God commands us to do certain things, and we obey. That's all there is to it. The commandments are not hard. His grace is sufficient for even the weakest of souls. And the best part is, we are not required to become perfect in this mortal life. We will have imperfections and we will fall short. All He requires is that we do our absolute best, repenting daily, and endure to the end.

    I do agree that we do some things in the name of convenience, one of which is thinking that salvation comes by the profession of a few words of the tongue. That is a little too convenient. If it was that easy, we wouldn't have thousands of pages of scripture to lead us and guide us, and God wouldn't call prophets to reveal His will. God would just have said, "Just say you believe in me, and you'll be saved!" But He didn't just say that. He said, have faith in me, repent, and be baptized, and follow me. Do the things you have seen Christ do. Receive His image in your countenance. Obey His commandments. The Bible is replete with commandments, and specifically those that apply to us under the New Covenant.

    God does give gifts, but He does not give them to whomever on whatever terms. He has very specific terms of the covenant which He makes with us; it is a two-way agreement. "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine..." (Matt. 7:6). The gift of eternal life is the greatest pearl of all.

  • Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    what's pointless about just accepting Christ's sacrifice on the cross? if someone gives you a gift...say a new car...do you need to drive it to prove that its yours? Granted, it will be of little use to you if you dont, but it will still be yours. And just because someone says "you know, I've never seen you drive that car. I don't believe it's yours" doesn't mean it's not.
    Those who have accepted Christ's gift of eternal life have been given a "car". Some will choose to take advantage of it and use it all the time for His purpose and glory. And they will find pleasure in using the "car". They will be blessed by using the "car" Some will use it occasionally. And some will let it set in their garage and just admire it. But they all have the car.

  • Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Why is it that mankind has to make things more complicated than they are? In our attempt to make our life more "easy" we actually complicate it. automated this and that...computers....etc etc...and when they go haywire, it make it even more complicated then if we never had them. Its funny..i was at a convenience store the other day. the power had gone down so their computer/register didn't work. that would have brought that whole store to a standstill. lost money...and it takes money and time to fix it...
    But what was even funnier was the cashier had somehow got the cash drawer open and was trying to do transactions the old fashion way. she was so used to being automated she was having a very difficult time keeping track and adding and subtracting. She never had to do that before.
    Why do we do things in the name of convenience, that only makes things more difficult?

  • Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Repent..yes. That is part of salvation. does it irk you to think that God could make salvation so simple and easy?

  • Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Christ's atonement is also a gift, but we must repent in order to make it efficacious in our lives.

    No, what would be pointless is to say that anyone can be saved by saying a few words with their lips, and then do whatever they please during their lifetime (eat, drink, and be merry). That would make Christ's death and work pointless.

  • Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    For the wages of sin is death, but the gift (freely given without merit or work) of God is eternal life. To deny the salvation of the cross through faith, negates the work of the cross and Jesus' death is pointless.

    Not everyone will be saved. That is a man made lie to appease the conscience.

  • Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The fallacy comes in thinking that by only speaking some words with our lips that we will be exalted in the highest kingdom of God. Such a belief is an evil and false sectarian doctrine of man, which is damning in its effects. It makes man believe that he must do near to nothing in order to receive God's greatest reward, which basically denies Christ and His atonement.

    "They draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof" (JS-H 1:19).

    We believe that all people, except the sons of Perdition, will be saved in a kingdom of God. Thus, all will receive a measure of salvation. We believe that there are multiple mansions there (John 14:2), but only the most valiant and obedient will be exalted in the highest degree of glory and will receive the full potential of their existence. It is exaltation that we seek, not only salvation. There is a difference.

    The LDS Church believes in salvation through faith and works, it requires BOTH as James describes so well. Yes, we are saved by grace through faith, but faith that provokes us to obedience. God requires us to obey His commandments. That is exactly how we have faith in Him. The commandments are not optional or beside the point. They are the point. They are pivotal to our progression in God's plan of salvation, as they have been since Adam.

  • Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ok. so you believe that we are saved by grace through faith. We show (or prove) our salvation by our works. I agree 100%. But, just because someone doesn't "prove" their salvation, it doesn't mean theyre not saved. It just means their reward in heaven will not be as great.
    But you've confused me a little. All the other LDS people who have come my way have pushed salvation through works. You're the first that's believed in salvation through faith, with works being the fruit of our salvation.

  • Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yes, we are saved by grace THROUGH FAITH. And how do we display our faith, or belief, in God?

    "3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
    4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him" (1 Jn. 2:3-4).

    "If ye love me, keep my commandments" (John 14:15).

    No, justification and salvation are not the same. We are justified by obeying God's commandments, repenting of our sins, and thereby partaking of the atonement of Christ, by which we receive a remission of our sins and become "justified" before the Father. Thus we are justified by our faith in Christ (Rom. 5:1). Justification by the law of Moses was fulfilled and supplanted by the law of the gospel of Jesus Christ, which we must now obey. It is only then that we can be saved.

    Many times when the apostles spoke of justification, it was in relationship to the law of Moses which was still a very current topic in those days. Thus, sometimes they say that we are not justified by the law or by works. They were referring to the law of Moses, not the law of the gospel. We do not believe in justification by the law of Moses, but justification by faith on the Son of God, Jesus Christ, which should provoke us to obey His commandments, laws, and ordinances.

  • Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    hesadanza...
    You believe that "justification" and "salvation" are the same?

  • Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
    Ephesians 2:8-9

  • Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:24 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
    17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
    20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
    21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
    22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
    24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
    26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

  • Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:18 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. - Mark 16:16

    Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. - Matt. 7:21

  • Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:06 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
    Romans 10:9-10

  • Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:11 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    How are you saved if you have not participated in the ordinances of the gospel of Jesus Christ which He established for that very purpose?

  • Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    So, since I am saved, and being led into all truth by His Spirit, and being used by Him, and blessed by Him, why in the world do I need to be LDS?

  • Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yes. Every person who has ever been, has been a child of God.

  • Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    but according to LDS, am I a child of God? Since I don't believe in Joseph Smith, and that I'm saved by grace and not of works?

  • Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:00 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Every child of God is worth a chance. God is no respecter of persons.

  • Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ouch summa! I almost took offense at that. but then I realize that your argument is just as lame as what you claim mine is. and then it's actually quite amusing. like listening to a four year old argue...you try to take them serious, but you can't help but laugh....

  • Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hesadanza, I can't believe you converse with someone as immature and irrational as this jester guy, he is just throwing our accusations about your religion because he is either too uneducated or just too childish to post something original and imformative. His posts are laced with innacuracies and Im sure the guy reads just enough church material to just try to use it against you. He is not worth your time. Typical Anti-Mormon scum.

  • Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Isaiah 29

    "13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
    14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
    15 Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?
    16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter’s clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?
    17 Is it not yet a very little while, and Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest?
    18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
    19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the LORD, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.
    20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:
    21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.
    22 Therefore thus saith the LORD, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax pale.
    23 But when he seeth his children, the work of mine hands, in the midst of him, they shall sanctify my name, and sanctify the Holy One of Jacob, and shall fear the God of Israel.
    24 They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine."

  • Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
    "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."
    2nd Corinthians 11_12-14

  • Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yes, give me proof, proof, proof. What about faith, faith, faith? "But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it..." (Matt. 12:39; Matt. 16:4) "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" (Heb. 11:1).

    "They draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof" (JS-H 1:19).

    I could give you many Bible scriptures that testify of the prophet Joseph Smith, but you would still not believe. Unfortunately many have been so inculcated in the doctrines and inventions of men that they are blinded by the truth. They cannot see it for what it is, and must compare it to their false interpretations. However, the pure in heart shall see God. "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me" (John 10:27).

    I know that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Lord's church on the earth today. The doctrines seem different or peculiar because it is the truth that has been lost for so long upon the earth that no one longer recognizes it. The doctrines of men have so saturated Christiandom that the LDS Church seems out of place. But the Lord's church has always been peculiar. Never has the truth been popular in the world. It has always been rejected, the prophets have been stoned, and the Saints have been killed. Christ Himself is the most sublime example of the truth being rejected, trampled upon, to the point where the people literally killed their God. If you are looking for a popular church, it most likely is not the true church of Jesus Christ.

    Joseph Smith had the first vision in 1820, and God the Father and Jesus Christ literally appeared to the prophet as two glorious personages of flesh and bones, and they did in reality speak to him.

  • Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:57 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    What I find amazing is that the Mormon believe that they will live forever physically on other planets. They will remain married, procreating......forever.....
    In the past 4000 years or so, this world is becoming overcroweded. And that is even with a human life expectancy of under 100 years. How long would it take to overpopulate a planet with immortals?
    It should take a while, though, actually figure it out. You see, the Bible says that after the resurrection people will no longer be given in marriage. Most of the Mormons I've talked to agree with that, saying that when you are married before you die, it transfers over to "the afterlife", you remain married....but you can't get married after you have been resurrected.
    Only those married before will be married after.
    So you have people who have been married before, and remain married after, procreating for eternity. But the problem is, that none of their children can procreate. The Mormons speak that after the resurrection you will have all your male and female body parts (for obvious reasons of procreating). And I assume that their children will to, but they will never be able to use them. Because they will not be able to get married, and sex outside of marriage is a sin. So what's the purpose of beiing "anatomically correct" if you can't "function"?

  • Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and on a careful reading of that transaction, it will be discovered that no less a person than Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha, and the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best of it.” Journal of Discourses, 26 vols. [London: Latter-day Saints' Book Depot, 1854-1886], 4: 259 - 260.

    Sick.

  • Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    But if we are married for time and for all eternity and it is sealed upon our heads by those who have the authority so to seal, and if we then keep our covenants and are faithful to the end, we shall come forth in the resurrection from the dead and receive the following promised blessings:

    "Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them." Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 3 vols., edited by Bruce R. McConkie [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1954-1956], 2: 62.”

    That goes against the first commandment " Thats the same attitude that got Satan kicked from heaven....

  • Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Of the four great standard works of the Church—the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price—I would particularly urge you to read again and again the Book of Mormon and ponder and apply its teachings. The Book of Mormon was referred to by the Prophet Joseph Smith as "the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man [and woman] would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book." (History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 2nd ed. rev., 7 vols. [Salt Lake City: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1932-51], 4:461.)” Listen to a Prophet's Voice [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1990], pg 15.


    Even more correct than the Bible....

  • Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    JD 2:75-76; “The words contained in this Bible are merely a history of what is gone by; it was never given to guide the servant of God in the course he should pursue, any more than the words and commandments of God, given to a generation under one set of circumstances, would serve for another generation under another set of circumstances…The Bible is not a sufficient guide; it is only the history of the people who lived 1800 years ago. The history of our Church in this day, presents the scenes and transactions of this people—the revelations and words of God to them…”

  • Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mormon 8:18; “For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity”.

    D&C 130:22; “The Father has a body of flesh, and bones as tangible as man’s” Articles of Faith: “We believe in a God who is Himself progressive…whose perfection consists in eternal advancement…”

    What? Even among the Mormon teachings (outside of the Bible) they can't get it right....

  • Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    So the Bible says that withiin ONE DAY Adam and Eve would die...and one day is as a thousand years...so they died within a thousand years....so that means that in actuallity when the Bible says day...it means a thousand years...so Noah was in the ark for 40,000years, and Jesus was dead for 3000. Interestiing....
    Flesh....and blood....cannot inherit the Kingdome of God...but bone can. (Because flesh cannot inherit the kingdom) So we will all be skeletons?
    Malachi 3:6 says "For I am the LORD, I change not…” So if He was a man at one point, then He does change.
    Mormonism is evil because it humanizes God, and deifies man. That's sick!
    And one question I have...Milton Hunter said "if we accept the great law of eternal progression, we must accept the fact that there was a time when Deity was much less powerful than He is today. Then how did He become glorified and exalted and attain His present status of Godhead?....God undoubtedly took advantage of every opportunity to learn the laws of truth and as He became acquainted with each new verity He righteously obeyed it." Where did these laws originate? Were they "just there"? That is inane. God created the laws of truth. He is truth. John 14:6 says " Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." So, now we understand the God is truth. And does not change, so He has always been truth.
    John 14:16-17..."And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."
    John 15:26, John 16:13,
    Romans 1:25 says "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen." The truth of God...so God did create truth.
    I could go on, but we all see that Milton was incorrect.
    Psalms 90:2 says "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." So we know that he is eternal. With no beginning and no end.
    Psalms 103:17 and Psalms 106:48 confirm this.
    Man, in the flesh, is finite. Man has a beginning and has an end.

  • Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Again, Adam was 930 years old when he died physically, which to God was within a day. So, yes, they died physically and spiritually the day they ate of the forbidden fruit. But Christ redeemed us from Adam's Fall, through His atonement we are redeemed spiritually, and through His resurrection we are redeemed physically. We are punished for our own sins, and not for Adam's transgression. But through Christ we can be forgiven of our own sins also.

    God created man in the flesh, or how else are we here today? When do you think they became flesh?

    Flesh and blood can't inherit the kingdom, you are right. But flesh and bones can, Christ being the example (Luke 24:39).

  • Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Your math is backwards. Christ was in the tomb for only a millisecond to God, as was Noah in the ark in God's time. The entire history of the earth will have only taken 7 days to God."
    And Adams and Eve died within (God's) milleseconds after they ate the fruit. Because their spirits (who they are) died as soon as they ate the fruit.
    God is a spirit, and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.
    Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

  • Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:26 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Just because God is in the form of a man does not mean that He sins. Adam and Eve did not sin until they transgressed God's law. Christ was made flesh and He did not sin once in His life. Christ still has a body of flesh and bones, and He still has not sinned (Luke 24:39). So to equate flesh to sin is incorrect. God is perfect, and sinless.

    No, Satan is the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4). But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord (Josh. 24:15).

  • Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:48 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    God's day = 1000 years of our time

    Your math is backwards. Christ was in the tomb for only a millisecond to God, as was Noah in the ark in God's time. The entire history of the earth will have only taken 7 days to God.

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