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Candidates Face Different Breed of Evangelicals in N. Hampshire

By Michelle Vu|Christian Post Reporter

Republican candidates, who have been aggressively courting evangelical voters, are facing a whole different kind of evangelical playing field in New Hampshire where the population, in many aspects, is more diverse than that of southern states.

Instead of the evangelical megachurches seen in other parts of the country, New Hampshire is home to congregations that are typically smaller and more independent. Churches with 100 members are normal and the largest evangelical church, Bethany Church in Greenland, draws about 2,000 people on a given Sunday, according to the Boston Globe.

Moreover, churches in this New England state aren’t comfortable with mixing faith and politics. Most New Hampshire pastors don’t talk about their candidate of choice in church and congregants are widely diverse in their favored presidential candidate.

This different breed of evangelical is likely to affect Republican sensation Mike Huckabee, who has surged to the top of state polls largely on the wave of support from born-again Christians.

Yet the former Arkansas governor is said to be the only candidate actively pursuing evangelicals in New Hampshire. Political analysts observed this may be because the state is riskier.

“In New England in general, and in New Hampshire in particular, people are very skeptical about religious candidates,” said Andrew Smith, director of the University of New Hampshire Survey Center.

Huckabee, who is an ordained Baptist minister, has in response taken another approach to winning over the state’s evangelicals. He has preached in four New Hampshire churches and has honored the region’s tradition of separation of church and politics.

The Rev. Kenneth J. Bosse of New Life Assembly of God in Raymond recalled it was “a huge leap of faith on my part” to offer his pulpit to a presidential candidate last spring, but said he was convinced he made the right decision by Huckabee’s sermon on “the sin of being good,” which he said had nothing to do with the campaign.

“He so honored those boundaries,” Bosse said, according to the Boston Globe.

In addition, Huckabee met with a group of evangelical ministers in Manchester last week – a meeting not listed in his public schedule – and organizers declined to allow a reporter to attend in keeping with their custom.

“Political buttons, they stay outside the door,” said Chris Tidwell, the pastor of the 50-member Deerfield Bible Church.
Unlike their counterparts in other regions, New Hampshire evangelicals do not have the large faith-based political networks – such as Focus on the Family, Family Research Council, and American Values – that help organize voters.

Rather, the state only has a few small and weak grass-roots organizations that venture into mixing faith and politics. These low-budget groups have little power on the state level and thus make it difficult for candidates to campaign and organize evangelical voters in the state.

Another obstacle is that the state’s evangelicals are more socially moderate than their Southern counterparts.

“It kind of makes me laugh sometimes when they lump evangelicals all in one group,” said the Rev. Bruce Boria, pastor of Bethany Church, the state’s largest evangelical congregation and one of the most politically diverse. Continue »

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  • Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    jesus4me,

    Just to clarify, Rob Bell’s Mars Hill and Mark Driscoll’s Mars Hill are not the same thing. They have the same name, but the two organizations I believe are totally separate.

    But I have to agree with you on at least one point, I don’t see much difference between emerging and emergent. They are very fluid terms, without much solid definition to them. One party uses them one-way, another party uses them in very different ways, and therefore the term emergent/emerging isn’t always the best to use. Because of this there use often creates more confusion rather than understanding. (I personally don’t use the terms much for this reason.)

    I’d also like to mention that the world of “emergent” is a lot larger than my interest in it is. I’ve never read any of Rick Warren's or Dan Kimball's books (and they aren't on my reading list at the moment either)

    Also, I’ve read some of the stuff on the sites you mention before, they are basically much the same as the counter cult ministry stuff I’ve run into in both San Diego and here in Utah. I have found that… and it is sad to say, they are some of the most destructive ministries I know of. There purpose is not so much to constructively engage others to help them see the “truth”, but rather to carry out a scorched earth policy, by which they try to destroy their opponent by spit, vitriol, and hype (as well as misinformation). The result of course has no positive results.

  • Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:51 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Oldstudent and Didymus, please go check these websites out for more info on emerging and emergent:

    http://www.understandthetimes.org/commentary/c46.shtml
    http://www.understandthetimes.org/current_transcripts/text/dec2007/2385.shtml
    http://www.apprising.org/archives/2006/12/rick_warren_pro.html
    http://www.apprising.org/archives/2007/02/rick_warren_gui.html
    http://www.apprising.org/archives/contemplative_spiritualitymysticism/index.html
    http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/warrenemerging.htm
    http://www.pastors.com/RWMT/article.asp?ArtID=4150
    http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archives2/2007d/121407/ss121407f.htm
    http://www.understandthetimes.org/commentary/c43.shtml

    Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
    1 John 4:1

    "You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for {those things} must take place, but {that} is not yet the end.
    "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes.
    "But all these things are {merely} the beginning of birth pangs.
    Matthew 24:6-8

    Oldstudent, my prayer is that the Lord would open your eyes to some of the heresy that has gone into the emerging as well as the emergent church. I'm not saying you are a heretic. I'm saying these movements tend to gravitate people to the post modern/liberal, and extrabiblical. Not everything that shines is gold, and not everything that "works" for te culture is necessarily Holy Spirit inspired. I hope you see where I'm coming from. And please read the info I attached on the websites, so you can see the quotes, texts, and oter material taken from both emerging ad emergent church leaders.

    In Christ's love,

    jesus4me.

  • Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:50 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Old student, many in the "emerging church" are also "emergent" . For instance, Dan Kimball is a strong proponent of Brian Mclaren, as well as Doug Pagitt; the later are emergent, yet Dan Kimball, who is considered "emerging" is endorsing them, and has Brian Mclaren forewards on the book, as well as Rick Warren. Dan Kimball's book is titled "The Emerging Church". Therefore, it is hard to distinguish who belieives in "emergent" theology, or "emerging" theology since many in the two movements have shifted Biblical truths for post modern liberal interpretations. For instance, the use of contemplative mediatation, and spirituality is being endorsed by both Emergent autors and inadvertently by emerging authors. Why is this? If one is not heresy and the other is, then why are there some in the emerging circles who would endorse emergents? If you are telling me that Mark Driscoll is not part of the Brian Mclaren's Rick Warrens, Rob Bells, Doug Pagitts, Dan Kimballs, Tony Campolos and Richard Fosters of the world, then I find that to be very confusing, since Rob Bell is the Senior Pastor of Mars Hill Church, and I know that Rob Bell is “emergent”. With this being said, I am still cautious about Mars Hill. You see, many in the "emerging" scene are also going "emergent".

    Didymus, Rick Warren was endorsing Dan Kimball's book. I believe you are familiar with him as you are a proponent of the "emergent conversation" and "emergent village". Obviously Rick Warren is more than just an endorser of the Emergent Church; he allows emergents such as Brian Mclaren to post articles on Saddleback's website ministry for pastor's called Pastors.com.

  • Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    oldstudent,

    jesus4me’s definition of emergent is very broad based. I mean he lumps Rick Warren in with emergent, and I don’t off hand know where he fits in with emergent/emerging, I don’t think Warren would even consider himself emergent/emerging. I think jesus4me’s use of the term “emergent” needs to be understood as shorthand for the much longer term that he has used in the past of “liberal/progressive/post-modern/emergent/seeker-friendly factions of the church”.

  • Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jeus4me,

    Emergent or emerging? The two aren't the same and the sooner people understand that the better one can have actual interaction with people and understand the differences between the 2. You write as though they are the same. The Resurgence is certainly emerging and that isn't a problem. Just remember that Emergent is mainly heretical and emerging is not.

    Driscoll hasn't renounced being emerging, he has made sure that people don't attach him to Emergent. See this article and this might help.

    http://blog.christianitytoday.com/outofur/archives/2006/01/brian_mclaren_o_2.html

    My prayer is for your eyes to be opened to what the truth is so as to be able to be more effective with the emerging mindset. Lumping emerging with the Emergent is like saying that Wesley was no different from the Anglican church.

    Grace and Peace,
    Jim

  • Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:44 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    didymus,

    I was born and raised in Miami Florida; i eventually moved to Ft. Lauderdale, where I met my wife. I'm a first generation American and my parents fled the Fidel Castro Communist regime in Cuba back in the early 60's; they lost everything since they were political exiles, and had to start life over again. They are so grateful to this country and how they were able to start their lives over again. Most of my family is conservative, since they know the damages of a socialist dictatorship. I personally know what post modernism as well as liberalism can do to young people, and I make it my point to educate other young people. I grew up around liberals in South Florida for most of my adolecent teen up until my early 30's, and I saw much hypocricism; this is not to say there is no hypocricism in the conservative factions of society. I trully admire the Southern US (not so much South Florida as it is an anomaly) for the most part, although there are plenty of libs here as well. I really enjoy the good manners, the way people still maintain some respect in society, etc. In fact, the area in Texas I live in is really a family friendly area, and there are plenty of homeschooling networks here. We plan on homeschooling once our daughter is of age.

  • Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:26 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    jesus4me,

    You asked, “Why are you making fun of Southerners?”

    It’s because I am from California, and I live in Utah.

    Also, you should note that I am only making fun of “some southerners”, not all southerners, just the kind that are fanatical Republicans who don’t like New England “cultural Christians”. (You live in Texas right?)

  • Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:58 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Oldstudent, it's not a matter of me being sincere. I could be sincerely right, or sincerely wrong. With regard to what you posted, I have goven you the benefit of the doubt and I have checked out the resurgence website you asked to be checked out, and there are still some hints of the emerging church starting with advertising for "Vintage Jesus" and Mars Hill Church. Having said that, I know Mark Driscoll from Mars Hill was emerging, just like many others have to try and reach the post moderns in society. I had read something earlier this year where apparently he (Mark Drsicoll) did not want to be a part of the emerging church anymore. I don't know if that was a rumor or not. I don't know if he still is associated with those who teach heresy. Now John Piper on the other hand, I respect the man, and I did see his name mentioned on the website. I don't think he's emerging at all. Anyways, thanks for the website. I pray you won't be enticed by the Brian Mclarens, Rick Warrens, and Rob Bells of the emerging church heresy; nor with COEXIST and Bono's emphasis of one world uniarianism.

    Thanks again brother.

  • Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:44 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    didymus, Merry Christmas to you too, and best wishes to you too. Why are you making fun of Southerners? I love Southern hospitality. Not everyone in the South is the depiction of what the Hollywood leftist want you to believ of them. You know that don't you?

  • Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:46 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Since you believe you already know all jesus4me, I will not attempt to reason with you. You are incorrect in your lumping all emerging with emergent but that certainly doesn't matter to you it seems. As long as you are sincere in your attempt to be Christ-like I guess it can be forgiven. You will be pleasantly surprised by the emerging people you will meet in Heaven though.

    summa,

    here are a couple of links to the emerging and the Emergent (not to be confused and assumed to be the same) to examine. I think you will find one site of emerging (not all emerging either) that is quite orthodox in belief and practice. The other you will find populated mainly with heretics and false teachers (but not all).

    www.theresurgence.com

    www.emergentvillage.com

    Grace and Peace,
    Jim

  • Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    jesus4me,

    Happy holiday's and best wishes.

    http://didymuspov.blogspot.com/

  • Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:27 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Old student, you may be one of the few in the "emerging" trend that is "fundamentalist". However, the central theme behind the emerging church is one of ecumenicalism, and a "social gospel" Sorry brother. I have to let people know about it. I came out of a church that started replacing line by line Bible studies with Rick Warren Purpose Driven material. Several people pointed the error out to the pastor, and it was to no avail. He did not want to change. He promoted the teaching of Richard Foster contemplative spiritualityin the woman's Bible Study. Many who guarded sound doctrine had to leave the church for their failure to teach the Bible correctly.


    I am convinced Jesus will return soon for His Bride, and we are living in the end times brother, and make no mistake about it, the "emergent conversation", the "emergent church", the COEXIST Movement, and BOno from U2 along with the Rick Warrens of the world with their social gospel are creating a "bridge" between Christianity and Eaastern as well as Catholic Mysticism wich is really new age.

    Read up more on the social liberalism of the emergent church, and the many seductive false doctrines such as contemplative prayer (which is really eastern mysticism), the bringing back of icons to "feel" God move in people's midsts, you can eve read up on Brian Mclaren's (The man who is credited to being the founder of this liberal church movement) view, as well as many of their leaders views on hell and homosexuality, and you will see they are totally extra biblical. you can find more info on this at www.understandthetimes.org, and www.apprising.org.

    The emergent church preaches an extra biblical gospel that is more in line with the new age than it is with Sound Doctrine based Biblical Christianity. Many of them - to mention one - Tony Campolo recently told a young reader how to have a born again experience thru contemplative prayer! Imagine that, the Bible says there is only one way to God and that is Jesus Christ, and here is a so called evangelical preacher (not really evangelical even though he calls himself this) and he is teaching an eastern mystical practice taught in the Roman Catholic Church and the Jessuit Order. Now imagine that, he is adoptig practices from a church that teaches the deification of Mary as being co-redemptrix with Christ. This is heresy my brother, and we need to exhort others in love, and pray for their eyes to be quickly opened to this deception in the church; that they may see this for what it is, and that the Holy Spirit in mercy and grace may convict their hearts to repent and come back.

  • Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:30 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    oldstudent,

    Can you provide me with a link so that I can better understand what you relate to concerning the "emergent church"?

  • Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:25 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Please don't pigeon-hole emerging people as you are accusing pburwell of doing with others. Most of the emerging people I know-and I have been a teaching pastor at an emerging church- are not like Emergent/US with MaClaren, Pagitt, and the others. Most of us/them are unchurched, willing to be taught, are far from relativists (I am more of a fundamentalist in doctrine than most "conservatives") and are looking for a faith and a people of faith that actually lives what it/they profess.

    Pigeon-holing us/them only drives them (not me) away because they are usually accused of being something they are not and that something is evil and stupid in the pigeon-holer's words. Can't find a better way to turn people off to Christ; accuse someone of being something they are not (bearing false witness against someone), treat them as idiots (instead of the mainly unchurched and unschooled in theology), and then tell them that you love them and attempt to teach them to obey the 10 commandments unless they run into others they don't understand (like traditional Xians are doing with the emerging people).
    Grace and Peace,
    Jim

  • Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:29 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Didymus wrote:

    "Pburwell,

    Wow. A little judgmental there aren’t ya. New England Christians just not Republican enough for you.

    "A new command I give you: Be Republican. As I am Republican, so you must all be Republican. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you are a Republican." John 13:34-35 (slightly revised for some southerners sensibilities). "

    Wow, didymus, for someone who loves twisting the Scriptures for the post modern liberal/emerging culture, you're getting awfully good at it. Maybe you should have added a little more liberal spin and twist to your quotations by adding some of the extra biblical teachings of the emerging church which you openly herald as well as evolution while claiming to be a Christia, and maybe you should have asked someone to give you a Scripture and verse where it says to vote for a bleading heart liberal as well.

  • Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:32 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    pburwell, there is a lot of truth in your message. I have friends in Maine who are Christians and are shunned by their neighbors because they do not hide their beliefs. Unfortunately, the watered-down "beliefs" you've described are not limited to any one region in this country, but seem to be like a rapidly-spreading cancer.

  • Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:29 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    anniefourjesus, it is very refreshing to know there are Bible-believing Christians in New England. Is it hard for you to take strong Biblical stands there, or are there more of your number than what we hear about?

    I have never assumed that Christians in New England are necessarily supporters of the Kennedys; I know there are many people in Massachusetts who have never supported them.

    You are right about the South, too. I do wish people would quit pigeon-holing folks according to the region where they live. In truth, I don't think there is a Bible Belt anymore, which is not a positive thing.

  • Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:25 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Correction: Meant to say:

    "I do NOT consider myself to be anything but a Christian. If Democrats start taking Biblical stands on the issues, I'll vote for them."

  • Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:24 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    didymus, why did you feel the need to put down Southerners, particularly when mid-westerners are often at least as conservative, if not more so?

    I do consider myself to be anything but a Christian. If Democrats start taking Biblical stands on the issues, I'll vote for them.

  • Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:33 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    And being marinated in the culture of Wallace and earning ones way to heaven would be better in what way? Jesus wasn't a politician but took politics and held it up to the revealed word. Lord knows Republicans and conservatives aren't more Christ-like than the Democrats.

    We vote on the principles of the word for a 'democratic' era not a theocracy or monarchy.

    Jim

    PS Hi Lew! lol

  • Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:13 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    How are we to vote for candidates?

  • Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:10 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Pburwell,

    Wow. A little judgmental there aren’t ya. New England Christians just not Republican enough for you.

    "A new command I give you: Be Republican. As I am Republican, so you must all be Republican. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you are a Republican." John 13:34-35 (slightly revised for some southerners sensibilities).

  • Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:39 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Speaking as a New Englander, let me say here that there are many followers of Jesus Christ, who do NOT follow the Kennedys or any of the others. We simply follow Jesus Christ, and HE was not political, He saw all men as lost and needing a Savior, it is why He came and died, for man could not save himself, and man could never keep the law.
    Man's best is as filthy rags and the only place that we can find grace is at the foot of the Cross!

    Many in New England are coming away from those long standing traditions, do NOT put us all in the same block pburwell. I would rather be marinated in Jesus Christ than any man/woman.

    There are many brethren here who stand for life and for the sacredness of marriage, but we live in the END TIMES and many are scoffers all over the Nation, not just in New England. So, we need to pray that The Holy Spirit will draw people to repent everywhere.
    I have lived down south and there are many down there also who are PRO CHOICE and are also PRO GAY it is not just our region.
    New Englanders have been for decades believers in the Freedom of Religion (not Freedom from Religion) and the right to express our faith. God's house is for Worship and Praise, not for Politics, that is my opinion! God's house is a house of prayer not political forums!
    God is the Only Authority and HE places people where HE chooses. Thank you GOD!

  • Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:25 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    "“They haven’t been marinated for generations in the religious and political culture of the South, or even Iowa.”"
    In other words they have been "marinated" in the long standing 'traditions" of the Kennedy's and THEIR ilk. Great. I think we call them "cultural Christians" nowadays. These are the traditions of that are "politically moderate"d to beklieve murdering children by the thousands daily is good for the nation, those who are taught to believe Jesus was just "a good teacher" and NOT God incarnate. These are thiose who have been stewed in the long held tradition that defending one's self is unconstitutional and that our forefathers were secularists. TELL ME AGAIN why we care what they think?

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