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'In God We Trust' to Return to Face of $1 Coin

By Katherine T. Phan|Christian Post Reporter

The national motto “In God We Trust,” which is currently inscribed on the edge of the presidential one dollar coins, will soon return to its original prominent position on the front or the back of the coin.

Legislation sponsored by Sen. Sam Brownback to move “In God We Trust” back to a prominent place on the coin was signed by President Bush on Wednesday as part of the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2008.

The move of the inscription from the edges to the front or back of the coin "shall be put into effect by the Secretary of the Treasury as soon as is practicable,” according to the provision.

The Presidential $1 Coin Act of 2005 introduced the $1 coins as a way to honor the nation's presidents. The bill called for the size, weight and metal composition of the presidential coins to be identical to that of the Sacagawea Golden Dollar but relegated the "In God We Trust" motto to the edges to "allow larger and more dramatic artwork" of the presidents' faces on the front and the Statue of Liberty on the back.

Four coins featuring Presidents Washington, Adams, Jefferson and Madison were issued this year.

But some coins made it through production without being stamped with the motto and some experts say the edge-incused inscriptions could rub off over time. Conservatives expressed concern that moving the motto from the face of the coin was the first step to removing it altogether from the currency.

Those concerns coupled with public outcry led Brownback to introduce legislation to reinstate the motto back to a more visible location on the coin.

"Since the colonial beginnings of the United States, citizens of this nation have officially acknowledged their dependence on God," said Brownback earlier this month. "It is important that our national motto, 'In God We Trust,' is prominently displayed on all of our currency. We should not relegate our heritage to the side."

The four-word motto was commissioned back in the Civil War era by Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase upon the urging of the American public, including a church minister, to recognize the Deity on United States coins, according to the U.S. Treasury Department's website.

In a letter, Chase instructed the Director of the Mint at Philadelphia to prepare a motto, stating, "No nation can be strong except in the strength of God, or safe except in His defense. The trust of our people in God should be declared on our national coins."

“In God We Trust” began appearing on coins in 1864. Congress passed a law in 1955 requiring all U.S. currency to carry "In God We Trust" and approved the phrase as the national motto in 1956.

Earlier this month, an appeals court heard arguments challenging the motto's inclusion on U.S. currency. The lawsuit, which was filed by self-proclaimed atheist Michael Newdow in 2005, has not been decided yet.

The recently approved bill also creates six new quarters honoring six districts or territories in the United States and will be released in 2009 in the following order: the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, the United States Virgin Islands and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands.

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  • Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    kaishinden79--So sorry to hear that you have experienced hurt as the hands of some called pastors. I pray that you might find some who will share the love and grace of God with you in a manner you can experience as real. I have experienced my own share of hurt from one calling himself God's servant, but whose actions proved otherwise. May you find redemption from that pain at the hands of others more faithful to the cause and character of Christ.

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    kaishinden79, not only are you judging ALL pastors because of what ONE pastor did, your statements are also judgmental to the extreme. You truly need to release that bitterness and unforgiveness to God so you can be free of it, free to love and enjoy life again.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    forgot that pastors are the ones who are judgemental bec. they do not work, their thinking, knowledge & understanding is narrow minded. they do not deal with the reality, bec. they caged in the church blinded by their own self-righteousness & stuck with religion! they could not give you PRACTICAL answerS to life's struggles. their mentality is sin & grace & tithe! that is how narrow their mind is! that is why when you ask them about questions regarding reality, they are stupid, ignorant, & their teachings are immature & childish!

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    because they are the ones who JUDGED ME FIRST & my life got messed (f**^%d) up bec. a pastor told me I am sin not a person. I lost plenty of opportunities, blessings even women are turned off bec. I lack self confidence. if self confidence is a sin, then how can you do your job. how can you support your family. yet the same pastor who told me that, he & his brother is driving luxury cars & have a house. is that denying your'self'? they use the same world system that they condemn. and what do you care... so to me pastors are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites bec. they could not practice that commandement DENY YOURSELF, carry your cross. to them it is a verse so they can use it to cast as a stone but not practice it!

  • Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    This fact induced Washington to say, "I am sure that there never was a people who had more reason to acknowledge a divine interposition in their affairs than those of the United States; and I should be pained to believe that they have forgotten that agency which was so often manifested during the Revolution, or that they failed to consider the omnipotence of that God who is alone able to protect them. He must be worse than an infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge his obligations."

    Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States by B. F. Morris - 1864.

  • Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:58 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Thank God they are putting the motto back on. Currency is the last vestige of hope we have in honoring our nations history and beliefs that our country was founded on.

  • Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    kaishinden79, why so judgmental?

  • Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    they are all the same to me!

  • Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:20 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Actually, speaking about our motto on our coinage...

    Yes, it SHOULD be there. I am glad to see it coming. And we all would be better off if we went back to a gold and silver standard for money instead of these "Federal Reserve Notes" which the Government keeps using to devalue (read "steal from") the American People. Long live the Krougerran and the Eagle!

  • Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:58 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    kaishinden79, yes, those 'pastors' exist. The Bible says they are false shepherds, and they hurt the sheep. God knows who they are, and He will judge them. It's just that many times people tend to forget there really are faithful pastors and evangelists, true shepherds, who do not love money but love the Lord and His people and are laying down their lives for them. With so much negative attention given to pastors and evangelists who are not genuine, I do think it important to remember those who are. :-)

  • Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:51 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    to maranatha - what about these pastor who commit religious injustices. they would tell you to obey, 'deny' yourself, run another mile for your brethren, do not complain, be patient, be contented, do not worry for it is a sin, & this never ending list of works, use the tactic of fear, shame, blame, & guilt so you would obey
    yet they themselves are the ones who are not practicing what they preach.
    They are the 'MESSENGERS OF GOD & their teachings have caused many to stumble bec. they did not preserve knowledge' but shove religion down your throat so they can look good for jesus!
    they should set the examples of whatever they preach not break them. then they will accuse you that it is your fault why you are not blessed when their teachings are immature & childish always pointing to sin. they would condemn that you 'are leaning onto your own understanding, yet they are using the very world system they are condemning. they are just exploiting & perverting the verses in the bible, god for profit, cherry picking the ones that will suit them. yet they do not 'deny' themselves which is a biblical verse that they do not obey!
    christ was angry at the pharisees & the experts in the law for the hypocrisy, injustice & arrogance!

    by the way, the mess that this nation is going through is bec. of 'arrogant men, who think they are above the law, who are lovers of money which is the root of all evil & sadly, evangelicals & fundamentals are supporting & defending the very same men who are destroying or destroyed this nation.

  • Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    wilderness, thank you for posting that quote. Judge Rehnquist was quite a man, and I thank God for his influence in our nation. We need many more men just like him. :-)

  • Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:41 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    imho, do you have five-dollar, ten-dollar, twenty-dollar, etc, coins, too? Or just one- and two-dollar coins? If so, that would indeed be terribly cumbersome.

  • Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:12 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    United States Supreme Court 1985, in the case of Wallace v. Jafree, 472 U.S., 38, 99, Associate Justice William Rehnquist rendered the court’s decision:

    It is impossible to build sound constitutional doctrine upon a mistaken understanding of Constitutional history…The establishment clause had been expressly freighted with Jefferson’s misleading metaphor for nearly forty years…

    There is simply no historical foundation for the proposition that the framers intended to build a wall of separation [between church and state]…The recent court decisions are in no way based on either the language or intent of the framers.

    * America's God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations

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    Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    A tongue-in-cheek aside to Bluegrasskid: I understand your point about $1 coin being cheaper than the dollar bill, but living in a country that uses one (and two) dollar coins, I have to say that it sure is more cumbersome! I miss being able to pull out a dollar bill or two. It's a nuisance digging through lots of change to find a dollar. One's wallet gets really heavy with those pesky coins, and they add up quickly when paying cash for items! And look out if you drop your wallet! You can lose a very large sum of money in coins in a few seconds! Putting the coins in your pockets poses a whole other host of problems - weight, noise and general falling about into couch cushions, etc. Long live the dollar bill! ;)

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    Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:31 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I like the motto, "In God We Trust". But then, I would, as I'm meant to live by that principle as a Christian.

    In reading some of the comments here about church-state separation, I have become a bit confused. Hampstead Pete, you seem so certain that this country was most definitely not founded on Christian principles, and that in fact the founders were far from Christian. But, there is so much evidence to the contrary, even if there were a few leaders whose theology was a bit unsound, to say the least.

    This all brings to mind the occasion I had to give evidence in court - I was required to swear on a Bible that I would tell the truth. If church and state are to be so clearly separated, and if our laws, which come out of the courts, are to be completely secular, then why on earth would we swear on a Bible in those very courts?

    Whether one likes it or not, it seems that religion - specifically, Christianity - and state DO mix. It is a foundational part of our culture that would be very difficult to "un-weave". I truly believe that America so prospered in her early years because of her dependence upon and dedication to the Lord Jesus Christ. She was committed to Him in prayer, and the majority of her citizens lived in obedience to Him. It is now swaying the other way, and we are seeing her crumble. It is not a coincidence. It is a sign that God is removing or has removed His presence. We are so cocksure we can do it on our own, we've shoved Him away like an annoyed toddler trying to put on his shoes "all by MYSELF!" Now we are seeing the fruits of doing things in our own strength.

    Maybe we should take our own motto to heart.

  • Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    But, having the motto on the edge caused it to wear off quickly, plus it was hardly visible.

  • Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Using the $1.00 coin instead of the paper bill would save taxpayers about $500 million per year according to the government studies. If we keep using the paper dollar bill it is such a waste of taxpayer's money. I don't think any other countries still use a $1.00 bill. Anyway, moving the motto to the edge didn't bother me because I know even the earliest coins had it on the edge and this caused everybody to talk about it. God could use the free publicity! Having it on the edge was a more special and extraordinary place-just like God.

  • Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:34 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Jesus clearly taught, as does the rest of the Bible that the worker is worth his wages. I agree that some people are paid too much, but who are you to say how much is too much? If a small church which makes $100,000 a year pay a pastor $30,000.... that is roughly 30% of the churches income! The Bible never teaches that Godly men need be poor.

    Now if a church makes 8 million a year, and pays it's main teacher $400,000... that's only about 5%... it seems to me that the church making the big bucks should pay that preacher more...

    David was rich and "a man after God's own heart"... and Solomon, though he later fell away from the faith later in life was very wealthy. Poverty does not equate Piety. Poverty just means you have to buy at the second hand store. Riches doen't equate sinfulness.

    The worker is worth his wages. So, if you bring in 8 million a year to an organization... how much are you worth?

  • Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:31 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Not all pastors and televangelists live extravagant lifestyles. To lump them all together is to assign guilt by assocation, and that's unjust. There are pastors and evangelists who live frugally, who do seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness. I think we need to be fair and make that clear.

    Putting 'In God We Trust' back on our coins is not going to change anyone's heart, of course. But acknowledging God, honoring God, can only help our nation.

    Blessed is that nation whose God is the Lord.

  • Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:58 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    will putting 'in god in trust' make any difference? will that statement convict pastors & teleevangelist sin of greed, 'selfishness', being lover of money & self denial? I don't think so! they will even defend themselves bec. they are looking after number 1 - their SELF!

  • Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:50 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    will putting 'god we trust' matter? who are pastors worshipping anyway, god or the dollar? hmm...that is why there are many rich pastors & tele evangelist whose average salary is $7400/month. wow pastors really can prove god wrong bec. they can serve 2 masters at the same time-god & money & looking after number 1 which is them'selves' & not practicing self denial.

  • Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    To HamsteadPete...

    "No matter how many times you try to deny it, you cannot change the well-explained meaning ot the first amendment, nor the religious test clause. "

    What page is that on, because I have read the first amendment several times looking for a "religious test clause" and can't find one in there, but i have found that "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". I see an establishment clause and and a free exercise clause, but no "religious test clause"... Get it right...

  • Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Patrick Henry declared:
    It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.

  • Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    George Washington wrote in his 1789 Inaugural address: The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained.

  • Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just that His justice cannot sleep forever. -- Thomas Jefferson

  • Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them. -- Thomas Jefferson

  • Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:10 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Hampstead,

    The words "In God we trust" does not say in Christ I trust or in the God of the Bible we trust. Zeus believers pagans and flying spaghetti monster believers are not coming out against the coin, atheists are. But atheists are the only ones that shouldn't care at all about what it says.

    You said that there was the same amount of evidence for the other gods as there is for the Christian God or Christ. I debated even responding to that because it is such an unintelligent and uninformed statement. Scientifically and Historically speaking Christianity is the best explanation. It is only shear bias that is preventing the historians and scientists not to accept this. Check out William Lane Craig's website and debates for starters. But beyond that there are profound philosophical and moral reasons for believing in Christianity. Christianity is not even comparable to mythologies and flying spaghetti monsters. Mythologies are clearly created and so are the flying spaghetti monsters. Your statement there is like saying, evolution is just like philosophy. It is apples to oranges.

    Relgion has been the most divisive force in the world? and your answer is atheism? That is a joke, atheism cannot answer anything except for that we are not significant, let alone solve the world's problems. Hey I have a great idea, lets use Nietzsche's atheist philosophy of will to power to unite the world by force, and we can use Darwin's theory of evolution to exterminate anyone we deem lesser to our race or philosophical perspective!!! This is obviously a joke, but the real problem is that atheism cannot satisfactorily answer that proposition, it is just as good as any other idea within atheism.

    Finally, NO this country was not founded upon secular principles. The idea that every human being has inherint rights is NOT secular in origin. It is based upon the idea that every human is the creation of God. Freedom of belief was based upon the idea that only through a genuine conversion of the heart could an individual come to believe in Christ. The idea was not that pluralism is good, but that coercion could not be the method by which people were reached with the message of Christ. Yes secularism did take hold because of this, but secularism was not the cause of our country, neither its inception nor its beliefs instituted in the constitution.

  • Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    To clarify: "...we do not exalt a man as the head of our nation" means we do not have a king, but a president. George Washington said we have no king but God.

  • Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God. -- John F. Kennedy

  • Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    HP, it is true that our nation has not preferred one belief over another. It is also true that our nation was not founded as a secular nation. Our founding fathers, even those who called themselves deists, acknowledged God and His role in the founding of this nation. The very principles of our liberty are derived from the fact that we do not exalt a man as the head of our nation, but are derived from the God who created all men equal. The scripture on the Liberty Bell and the many acknowledgments of God in Philadelphia and Washington, DC, provide abundant evidence.

  • Tue Jan 01, 2008 2:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Gen1:

    All you are proving is that there have always been and probably always will be Christians in this country. So what? The constitution is a SECULAR document! God is mentioned only in an exclusionary sense. It does not matter how many Christians were founders, the only important thing is that the republic they founded is a secular republic, and in no sense based upon any flavor of Christianity.

    Pandering politicians have always made contrary claims, usually in the throes of an election, like now, for instance. No matter how many times politicians claim that we are "founded upon Christianity," it won't make it true, and to believe otherwise is true ignorance.

    No matter how many times you try to deny it, you cannot change the well-explained meaning ot the first amendment, nor the religious test clause. I am very familiar with the battles that went on, not only with the bill of rights, but also with Jefferson's Bill for Religious Freedom in Virginia. Both were passed only because minority religious folk (specifically Christian fundamentalists) worked hard for their passage, as they were terrified, like the Danbury Baptists, that other religious flavors would be declared the "official religion" of some state or other.

    One of the differences between a democracy and a republic is that in a republic, the rights of minorities are specifically protected.

  • Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:30 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Well, HampsteadPete, ... I have to say your comments seem to be the basest, most unfounded claims I have heard here. After the first amendment to the constitution... that one which some people claim promotes this whole seperation of Church and State bit... why was it that the next thing Congress did was pass a proclamation for a Day of fasting and thanksgiving to Almighty God for His Providence???

    Have you not read the innaugural speaches of the Presidents? Have you not seen the many Statues and plaques in this country with reference to God? ...? Have you not read any of the documents FROM THE TIME of our Governments founding? Have you missed the innumerable laws requiring the recognition of God? Have yo umissed the numerous case laws mentioning directly that our rights come from God? Have you read why our first Constitution did not pass without a Bill of Rights? Have you ever look at what was submitted by each State for the Bill of Rights?

    I'll tell you- Innumerable claims of God - his existence and his guiding hand of providence- that all our rights comes from HIM and that no government has the authority to take away what HE has given.

    If you continue to make such ignorant comments with such vehemity- you can expect no less in return.

  • Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:54 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Year of the Bible 1983, was declared on October 4, 1982, by a Joint Resolution of both the Senate and House of Representatives in the 97th Congress of the United States of America:

    Public Law 97-280. Whereas that renewing our knowledge of and faith in God through Holy Scripture can strengthen us as a nation and a people…The Bible, the Word of God, has made a unique contribution in shaping the United States as a distinctive and blessed nation…Deeply held religious convictions springing from the Holy Scriptures led to the early settlement of our Nation…Biblical teaching inspired concepts of civil government that are contained in our Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States.

    * America's God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations

  • Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:41 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Massachusetts Grand Jury 1802, was appointed by Judge Nathaniel Freeman, who defined:

    The laws of the Christian system, as embraced by The Bible, must be respected as of high authority in all our courts and it cannot be thought improper for the officers of such government to acknowledge their obligation to be governed by its rule…

    [Our government] originating in the voluntary compact of a people who in that very instrument profess the Christian religion, it may be considered, not as republic Rome was, a Pagan, but a Christian republic.

    [Of note is that the State of Massachusetts paid the salaries of the Congregational ministers in that state until 1833.]

    * America's God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations

  • Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:14 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Wilderness:

    So, what's your point? Many of the colonies, including Virginia had stipulations like that, and they were all swept away by the constitution and bill of rights. The constitution expressly forbids religious tests, and you know that!

    If it were not for the wall of seperation, this country would have broken apart a hundred years or more ago into warring factions of Christians. Do you doubt that for a moment? The law is designed to protect you as well as me. Why do you fight it so?

  • Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:13 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Gunning Bedford (1747-1812), one of the signers of the Constitution of the United States of America, was the delegate from Delaware to the Constitutional Convention, where he played a considerable part in the Federal Convention. He was later appointed by President Washington to the First Federal District Court 1789.

    Being a delegate from the State of Delaware, he would have complied with the requirements for office stipulated by that State’s Constitution, which included:

    Article XXII Every person who shall be chosen a member of either house, or appointed to any office or place of trust…shall…make and subscribe the following declaration, to with: “I, _____, do profess faith in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ His only Son, and in the Holy Ghost, one God, blessed for evermore; and I do acknowledge the holy scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by divine inspiration.”

    * America's God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations.

  • Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:38 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 6

    Chris333:

    You ask why the phrase “In God we trust” bothers non-theists, and I guess that’s a fair question, especially in light of the Jefferson quote stating that it was immaterial to him whether a man had one god or twenty, it neither picked his pocket nor broke his leg. Like Jefferson, I don’t care how many silly rituals you practice, how many gods you believe in, how you choose to live your life and bring up YOUR children, nor do I care what source you use for your particular brand of dogma.

    What I DO care about, however, is how my government chooses to recognize, or not recognize religious belief, and how these policies influence my life. This country was founded upon solid secular principles, one of them, which made this country truly unique, was that there was a “wall of separation” created between the government and all types of religions.

    Let me ask you this: What if the wording on the coin was “In Zeus we trust,” or Adonis, or Attis, or Osiris, or Mithra? But these are false gods and delusions, you say. But the fact is, there is as much actual evidence for the existence of these gods as there is for Jesus Christ or Jehovah.

    But this country was founded upon Christian principles, you say? No, wrong again! The principles this country was founded upon predate Christianity by hundreds and, in some cases, thousands of years. Christianity, like Judaism before it, offered nothing positive in the area of morals and ethics that didn’t exist before, and what they added was overwhelmingly repugnant.

    Religion has been the most divisive force, not only in this country, but in the entire world, especially in the last ten years. And your answer to this is more religion? Or perhaps your answer is: More of your own particular brand of delusion? What would be your reaction if, instead of the ridiculous and un-constitutional resolution the congress passed before Christmas, declaring it a, well, you can read it for yourself, what if instead they passed a resolution declaring the winter solstice the reason for the holiday, which, in fact, is the truth.

    You would be outraged, wouldn’t you, but you can’t understand how a few words on a coin could anger someone else. Perhaps you should think about the fact that I look at all religions the same way you look at those religions that don’t quite agree with yours. I simply think they are all delusions, and I resent having these delusions shoved down my throat by my own government just as much as you would resent having a different set of dogma shoved down yours.

    Happy new year!

  • Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    It is interesting that atheists make such a fuss over the phrase, "In God we Trust", what does it do to them? They could just say, "Well it is a part of our culture, so why not just let it stay on the money" That wouldn't do a thing to them.

  • Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:51 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    School District of Abington Township (prior to 1963), endorsed the public school policy stating:

    Each school...shall be opened by the reading, without comment, of a chapter in the Holy Bible...Participation in the opening exercises...is voluntary. The student reading the verses from the Bible may select the passages and read from any version he chooses...There are no prefatory statements, no questions asked or solicited, no comments or explanations made and no interpretations given at or during the exercises. The students and parents are advised that the student may absent himself from the classroom or, should he elect to remain, not participate in the exercises. (America's God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations).

  • Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:57 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Glad to hear this. Now, we need to quit acting like we're breaking some kind of law just by acknowledging God in this land. It's not true. Our founding fathers and subsequent presidents as well have acknowledged God for years and years. Blessed is that nation whose God is the Lord.

  • Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:05 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    First, I believe fully, 100% "In God We Trust".
    Second, I realize many do not. This does not change the FACT the God exists.
    Third, there is no neutrality. Neutrality is a myth and no person is neutral. We all operate according to our own presuppositions; our own ideas that govern what we accept as true. These presuppositions must come either from man, and thereby be merely opinion (non-authoratative), or from outside of man (God) and be authoratative. Wether it be public education, or the judicial system, or politicians- everyone operates according to presuppositions and all systems are therefore based on certain presuppositions. Therefore, if you remove one presupposition, it must be replaced by some other supreme source of truth. If we do not accept the God of the Bible we will be accepting some other god for our source or truth and justice in America.

    "In God We Trust" may be on our money- and I am glad it is, if nothing else a reminder to our heritage. Yet every time the government decides to print more money then they have gold to back it up with, they are essentially stealing by devaluing the federal reserve note. This is a slap in the face to God and an act of hypocrisy to our motto.

    Next time you pull out that greenback, read those words "In God We Trust" and realize that America was founded on Christian principles (Christian presuppositions). There is a reason for the motto. Without those Christian principles you lose the greatness that was once America.

  • Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:37 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    IN GOD WE TRUST, How many of you people believe in that saying with 100% of your heart?

    I know what I’m going to write will not set well with a lot of the people who reads this, but some where and some how all this has got to stop before it come to brother against brother, sister against sister, so forth and so on (I’m talking about another civil war in this country, religion against religion. It up to you, Make it work or go to war.

    Keeping government and religion separate is the problem in this country and will be it down fall unless things changes. Let’s take the school system to start off with: The public school system is operated either by the city, county or state government funded by taxes raised by the governments, so in reality they are run by the government. (Now up until let say about 40 years ago no one said anything, but then along came someone to question this and it went from bad to worse. So the courts stepped and set down some rules that they thought would stop all of the fussing, but it only added to the confusion. So in reality if the schools are under the control of the city, country or state government then government and religion don’t mix. But the people thought they could press the issue and I think it just made matters worse.

    Now the other big problem is other people beliefs or faith, as long as we are a melting pot of various ethnic groups whose customs, traditions and beliefs are different then ours. Then we are going to have to come up with a way of living in the same country together or go to war and kill everyone who doesn’t believe like we do, I don’t think that is Gods plan for us as we are not the Hebrews coming out of bondage into the promise land.

    The courts are going to have to start handing down rulings that is just and fair so that the separation of religion and government means just that, even if does ruffles the feathers of some people.

    The ball is on the court. Now how you pick it up and play with is going to make or break this country

  • Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Americans have lost sight to the meaning of "In God We Trust". So many different cultures live in American then before. Yet we "American" have to adapt to different beliefs. We let other come live here, but when and why did we give them the right to change our religion? I will trust god completely and man discreetly. Besides I have a magic marker that can write "In God We Trust" if the printer brakes. May god bless us all.

  • Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:12 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I am in a quandary. On the one hand, I wholeheartedly support the principle of separation between church (religion) and state. On the other, I admire the American people for having the words 'In God we trust' on your coins (I am a South African).
    Johndk, you say Americans 'kicked (God) out' of your court rooms and class rooms. I cannot agree with you more on how terrible it is that people in America (and South Africa) are turning away from God, and are inventing all kinds of idols to worship in his place. We pay the bitter price for our wickedness.
    Please keep in mind, though, that the school was never meant to be 'public', that is, state run. God created father and mother to be the primary educators (cf Deuteronomy 6). I am not saying that the civil authorities should not have a say in maintaining objective academic standards. But the education, the instilling of VALUES, of a REALITY VIEW, can NEVER be the responsibility of the state. The state must maintain law and order (cf Genesis 9 and Romans 13). That is its God-given task. We should have free schools under like-minded parental control. To lament the absence of Christian education in a public school is not the point. Who made the school 'public' (state-controlled) in the first place? I think the idea stems from the French Revolution (1688).

    Our courts should be neutral as far as an accused person's religious faith is concerned: The same punishment should be meted out for the Christian and non-Christian offender. This is not against the Bible, the Word of God (refer again to Genesis 9 and Romans 13). The state carries the sword; the church (believers in Jesus) carries the Word of eternal deliverance through faith in Jesus Christ.

  • Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    But let's face it: our God that we trust in in this country IS the money itself.
    Please check out my blog 300Sploggers.com for more commentary on interesting and hot-button issues like this one. 300Sploggers.com.

  • Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:53 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    I believe that it is important for us as Americans who are real Christian believers to try and maintain our Christian heritage as much as possible in this evil day and age, even as by simply dedicating our money to God with the traditional inscription (stated above). Why, we ask. My response: WE ARE ALREADY UNDER THE JUDGEMENT OF GOD FOR OUR WICKNESS, WHY PROVOKE HIM EVEN MORE! IT'S JUST THAT PLAIN AND SIMPLE. WE'VE ALREADY KICKED HIM OUT OF OUR COURT ROOMS AND CLASS ROOMS; MANY OF US DON'T WANT THE CHRIST OF CHRISTMAS ANYMORE; AND MOST OF US WANT TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT AND COWER WHEN FACED WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TH TRUTH-AND I'M TALKING ABOUT "CHRISTIANS" WHO HAVE SUPPORTED THIS STUFF!!!

  • Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    Theotrek - I agree wholeheartedly . . . although I am for a full separation of church and state. Our pastor talked just today about Harrod killing the baby boys after Jesus was born and he commented that whenever faith gets in the way of the powers that be, the powers that be will do something to control it or crush it to remain in power. In the US right now the ones in power are trying to control it by letting some Christians have a taste of that power and making them think that they are actually influencing the system . . . okay, I'll get off my soapbox now.

  • Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:25 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    It would be wonderful if the motto's message were true. As a nation, however, we trust in wealth, power, military might, and personal ambition exemplified in "The American Dream." Too bad the words will have nothing more than a hollow ring.

  • Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:10 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Brownback has always been one of the movers and shakers behind some great legislation here in America. This is why I supported him for President. I hope he runs again, but he needs to run as a Governor in Kansas first. , until then Mike Huckabee is the man I will support.

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