Faith and politics has played a prominent role in this presidential race, but some are wondering if the biggest religion card player – former Baptist minister Mike Huckabee – has gone too far with mixing religion and public duty.
A look at the former Arkansas governor’s records shows that he didn’t shy away when he felt God needed to be defended in legislation.
In 1997, after a tornado ripped through the town of Arkadelphia, Ark., the then Gov. Huckabee had spent over three weeks battling his state’s legislators over legal terminology in a disaster insurance bill that referred to natural disasters as “acts of God.”
Huckabee argued that God could not be blamed for the region’s destruction, countering the centuries-old legal terminology and the state’s legislature, the General Assembly. The dispute made local headlines and created tension with other state legislators, some of which called him “petty.”
“‘Petty’ is the best word to describe him,” said Dennis R. Young, a state representative at the time who sponsored the relief measure, according to the Los Angeles Times. “In these kinds of things, he’d make mountains out of molehills.”
Yet the small-town pastor turned Arkansas governor did not give in and in the end the two sides agreed on the substitute term “natural causes.”
The faith of Huckabee, unlike most other politicians, has always been the centerpiece of his politics – as seen on day one of his tenure as Arkansas governor.
His inaugural day began with a prayer service at a Baptist church in Little Rock which he later recalled as “almost like an ordination service.”
During his time as governor, 1996 to 2007, Huckabee banned smoking and swearing in the governor’s office and used the Bible to explain his concern for the environment, his stance against abortion, and his efforts to improve the lives of African-Americans in his state.
“When I became governor of Arkansas in 1996,” Huckabee wrote in his book “Character Makes a Difference,” published last year. “I recognized the same moral authority – God’s authority – that I did as a pastor … I not only want to know Him, I want others to be able to see Him through the decisions I make and by the way I make them.”
Others, however, disagree with Huckabee over the idea of how personal faith should play that big of a role in public office or in the presidential race.
Mark DeMoss – a fellow Southern Baptist leader and outspoken supporter of former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney – argues that the most important qualification when electing someone to public office is proven ability to manage the country rather than the religion litmus test.
“I believe faith plus character plus experience plus competence is a recipe for the ideal presidential candidate,” wrote DeMoss in an opinion piece posted on the Web site Beliefnet.com. “But faith alone should neither disqualify one from getting my vote, nor guarantee that they will.”
The Christian public relations guru added that a candidate’s “character cannot be overstated” but that his or her “faith can be” and in “this election probably has been.”
While DeMoss’s candidate, Mitt Romney, has been fending off suspicions over his Mormon faith, Huckabee has been soaring in polls in Iowa and South Carolina, riding on the wave of support from evangelical Christians.
Conservative Christians have been increasingly shifting their support from Romney to Huckabee due to their expressed discomfort with the Mormon faith, which many Christians view as a cult.
Huckabee, on the other hand, is a member of the largest protestant denomination in the United States – the Southern Baptist Convention, which boasts more than 16 million members.
However, voters will ultimately decide whether faith will play a large role in determining a president’s electability.
Huckabee’s “Christian leader” campaign will be put to the ultimate test this Thursday during the Iowa caucuses – the first GOP nominating state.
RSS
Calling all Christians and former supporters of Thompson , Huckabee, & Giuliani. Support the only REAL Christian conservative candidate running for President Dr. Ron Paul. there is Hope for America But time is short, go to www.ronpaul2008.com and www.prayforpaul.com now.
star,
Exactly. That's why Huckabee's actions got my attention. If he's willing to be that way publicly, then most likely his actions privately will mirror them. Unlike these other candidates who "claim their faith in God" and then their actions prove otherwise, he claims his faith in God and proves it. That's what I admire about him.
Prophet:
President Bush was hired by the American people to be the President of the USA and to carry out the duties of that office. He was not hired to be the Pastor of the USA.
President Bush reads his Bible every day, attends Bible study, encourages his staff to read the Bible, and prays on more than one occassion during the day in the Oval Office. He prays with people when the opportunity is there.
Though he is silent about God for the most part in the public he is not behind the scenes.
If Huckabee wins his party nomination and if he wins the Presidency and goes to the White House he'll be no different in the public eye then Bush is. If he brings his personal faith to much in the public eye then this country will go balistic and scream "separtation of church and state". No God please.
I feel like Bush's faith does play a role in his decision making. Many of his policies are based on his Christian convictions.
star,
I reacted the same way. I wish his public life reflected that compassion and faith a little more.
Prophet:
I went to your blog. The story about the man who had a chance to meet President Bush touched my heart.
star,
Just because a person claims to have some kind of faith in God, doesn't make them a Christian. We will know them by their fruit. And the fruit of many of these politicians is rotten. That is why Huckabee strikes me so. He doesn't just confess his faith, he lives it.
I have been alive long enough to see many Presidents who claim faith, but yet don't live it. They use it as a springboard to the White House, and once it's usefulness is gone, they toss it aside. George W is one of them, too. But he's not as bad as some. I came across a story of a man that had the chance to meet Bush in person, and the events that transpired. It shows what type of person Bush can be, if only he would live it more.
I posted it on my website www.isaiahscry.blogspot.com. I would encourage you to check it out.
Prophet:
You said, "But you judge him, by saying that God didn't tell him to do what he's doing. God has done stranger things."
I do not judge Huckabee. I do not know whether he was called into the ministry or not. There are a lot of Christians and some non-Christians in the ministry and God did not call them to that line of work in the Kingdom of God. I had a cousin that was in the Pastorate but left. He said that he was never really called. He became a Pastor because his father was a Pastor and it was expected of him.
Romans 11:29 says that the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. IF Huckabee was called into the ministry then God is not going to repent of His calling on Huckabee's life and Huckabee is in rebellion against God because he is disobedient to God's call on his life.
"But you judge him, by saying that God didn't tell him to do what he's doing." I believe that would be out of God's character to call Huckabee into the proessional ministry and then tell him to go do something else that is not ministry related. (based on Romans 11:29)
But you judge him, by saying that God didn't tell him to do what he's doing. God has done stranger things.
Prophet:
You asked the following: "So, you feel like Christians need to stay out of politics where they can influence even more?"
Answer: No, I did not say Christians should stay out of politics. I said those who have been called into the minstry should not leave that calling to go into politics. If they do, then they are in disobedience to that calling and therefore are in rebellion against God.
You also asked, "And that we should vote in humanistic athiest so they can continue to take away our rights?"
Answer: I haven't heard any candidate say that he/she is an athiest. They all make some claim to have some kind of faith in God. Now there are humanistic Christians running for office. I say "humanistic" because they look to man for the solutions to the problems of our nation instead of looking to God.
star,
Answer it.
Prophet:
Pray about it.
And yes, many times what we say in jest, is a peek into our soul's desire. And if that is true, then apparently his soul's desire is to win people to Christ. And yet, you say that he's lost that love.
So, you never answered my question.
But let me pose it this way...do you have a job? If so, why have you left your first love? You're first love is the salvation of souls, right? Then why aren't you doing it? That question of course is ridiculous, since God uses us in whatever venue He chooses (yes, even politics) to accomplish His cause. How many politicians can you influence? How many politicians can a passionate Christian President influence?
Prophet;
You said, "But, I am seeking the wisdom of the Holy Spirit in my decision. "
I appreciate what you said. I believe that is the right thing to do.
Prophet:
Sometimes what we say in jest is really a glimpse of what is in our soul.
I really believe that he has lost his first love.
There is nothing more important than winning lost souls to Christ and helping Christians in their walk with God. Any man/woman of God that has abandoned that calling on his/her life to pursure some secular endeavor that has nothing to do with helping people get ready for eternity is a man/woman that has left his/her first love. If that is the case for him then he needs to remember from where he has fallen, repent, and do the first works he was called to do. If he does not then God will remove his light. (Rev 2:4-5)
Geez, star. I can see how someone can read what you posted about what Huckabee said in the other article and think he was some kind of zealot. But what you (purposely?) omitted was the fact that what he said was in jest. That sheds a whole new light on his comment.
wfbrad.
There is nothing about the Salt Lake City temple that is "Extra Ju Ju" (What exactly is Ju Ju). Anyway, it is like the big Catholic Cathedral downtown that is really old and popular. The Salt Lake Temple is very notable and it is like a status thing to say, well I was married here... There is nothing done in the Salt Lake Temple with the exception of the endowment ceremony being acted out rather than provided on a TV screen .
What the heck are you talking about 2nd generation Blood Lines, I was married in the Portland Oregon Temple and I didn't have to prove didly squat, my parents were married in Salt Lake right after my father's convertion and he didn't have to prove anything... That is totally false and ludicrous and proves you are totally ignorant on the topic, I would suggest declining from comment to curve further embarrasment to yourself.
As far as you going to temples in Idaho, Utah, SLC and Arizona, that is totally impossible unless you are an endowed member of the LDS church, which you have proven not to be. One who is not an endowed member couldn't in their life time attend all of those temple open houses Unless they just recently attend ed the Rexburg Idaho ceremony, which you haven't. And as far as the one in SLC goes, there is no way you could have toured the inside of that unless you were around when Brigham Young was second President of the Church. You are a liar!!!
So, you feel like Christians need to stay out of politics where they can influence even more? And that we should vote in humanistic athiest so they can continue to take away our rights?
Seedplanter you said: "Summo, The Trinity is not post Biblical. It is merely a simplified term describing God. What is post Biblical is the idea that God was once a man who attained eternal progression and that Satan and Jesus were two of his children by his many wives."
That is totally not a doctrine taught in Mormonism it behoovith you to provide a CREDIBLE source for that quote.
Prophet:
The quote came from this article, "N. Hampshire Brings Out More 'Authentic Conservative' Huckabee"
What does he have a passion for? Politics or lost souls? I believe it is the former. Leaving the ministry and his comment in the above article causes me to conclude that.
What has God moved you on to? Is it just another form of ministry or is it something unrelated to ministry?
In Hackabee's case he has moved on to politics. I do not believe God is a part of that decision. He has digressed in what is important; winning lost souls for Christ.
I did not see that quote on here. And from what I've read from this article, he appears to be a man of passion, and that he hasn't lost his first love through all that he has done. His heart is still with God. And before you pre-judge me, I am not a Huckabee wannabe...I haven't decided yet who I feel God would have me support. What I am saying is objective.
Just because he is not preaching anymore, doesn't mean he's left his first love. His first love is God...not preaching. If you believe otherwise, your priorities are wrong. When I left my position as worship leader at my church, I was not leaving my first love...I was following my first Love. I go where God goes. And from this article, I see a passionate and zealous man. And if that was all I needed, I would be so inclined to support him. But, I am seeking the wisdom of the Holy Spirit in my decision.
Prophet:
Huckabee said, “We’ll get them all converted to the evangelical faith, and then we’ll win. How’s that? That would work.”
It is suggestive here that he is just wanting to use God for personal gain. The heart of any Christian that does that is not right with God.
This statement also suggests that he isn't too interested in where people spend their eternity. He only wants their vote. What kind of man of God is that?
I don't know if he was called by God to go into the ministry; only God knows that.
I believe, though, he started preaching because the things of God were his first love. If that is the case, then I would suggest to you that, he has left his first love.
star,
Who says God doesn't want him to run for President? Just because he was a pastor at one time, doesn't mean God won't move him on to other things. God called me to be a worship leader for a time. Just because I'm not one now, doesn't mean I'm disobedient...it just means He's moved me on to the next step. Try not to let personal feelings interfere with what the truth may be.
Was Huckabee called by God to be in the ministry? If so, then why did he become diobedient to his calling by leaving the ministry to pursue fleshly endeavors? Do you really want a Christian in the White House that is in rebellion against God?
As a Baptist, I love the idea of a Baptist Pastor being our next President. I am not sure about Huckabee, I don't know enough about him. I will be looking very closely at him in the near future, and if he is what he claims to be, he will get my vote. I like what I've seen so far, though. I love a man who quotes the Bible when on TV, and is not ashamed of it. Maybe he can be our redemption for past disappointments, like Clinton and Carter. It would be wonderful if our next president was a true man of strong faith, in the right faith, the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Not the blasphemies of Joe Smith and Bringem Young, or the misguidedness of Pat Robertson, or the outright lies of the televangelists. I will not vote for a deciever, period.
These folks here that are saying the Mormons are Christian are dead wrong. The use of similar terms and counterfiet Jesus, are the acts of the devil. These things are meant to confuse the simple minded and are confusion. Who is the author of confusion? If you want to find out what Mormons are taught, try researching their "prophets". I found the doctrines of Bruce McConkie very interesting.
Summa, You say that all Mormon temples have the same rooms, and the same purposes? Why is it then that so many from your religion seem to believe there is extra ju-ju for you if married in the SLC temple? If they are all the same, they why is that a big deal? Why do both bride and groom have to prove they are not new converts to even be considered for the honor? (geneological research into bloodlines and proof they are at least 2nd generation) I have been to your temples in Idaho, Utah-the one in SLC, and Arizona. They all gave me the creeps.
I have a question Sumo, do you know of any debates between atheists and Mormons?
Summo, The Trinity is not post Biblical. It is merely a simplified term describing God. What is post Biblical is the idea that God was once a man who attained eternal progression and that Satan and Jesus were two of his children by his many wives.
Wrong god!
Wrong Jesus!
Wrong prophet!
I think I like the nickname Summo... Anyway, Chris you do make a good point however the Mormon belief in Jesus is he is the literal Son of God, Crucified on the cross for the sins of the world, resurrected 3 days later, only way to salvation and to return to the Father. The only difference is they believe God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are seperate in personage. How hard is that to except? You can find that belief all over your own congregations. If you take this back in history with the first council of Nicea A.D. 325 where Athanasius and Arius had the big debate over the relation of the Son to the Father you see that the Trinitarian stance was not widely accepted and post biblical. I say which belief is more Christian?
Huckabee????? C'mon...a lot of folks thought G.W. Bush's faith was too strong for the White House, but his faith has backtracked and we don't even know what he believes anymore. Just because Mike Huckabee is Baptist minister means nothing. You will know them by their fruits. This is the guy who spoke the truth about Mormonism and Mitt Romney, and then when the pressure was on, he did the backstroke and stated he was sorry and didn't know if Mormonism was a cult or false religion. This from a Baptist minister? I don't believe it for one minute.
We need to be careful, folks!! This Baptist minister has all the markings of Big Government, Big Spending, fascist-tendencies, and he is running around the country draping his Bible with the flag. We need to be careful we don't elect a potential dictator who has an agenda to cause all of the "used" evanglicals to march lock-step with his agenda.. Have Christians forgotten the Scriptures and the Biblical basis for leadership? Mick Huckabee doesn't meet it, and the only reason he'll get elected is by "fooling" the people into thinking he's a true conservative, which he isn't. I believe he is just another Arkansas Governor (read: Bill Clinton), only from the Republican camp. Just because you're a Republican doesn't mean squat, and please don't equate Republicanism with Christianity. It ain't happening!!!
AND NO PAT ROBERTSON IS NOT CONSIDERED A PROPHET BY THE EVANGELICAL COMMUNITY! Do not believe everything the "news" says, it is the same as saying, "I knew a guy..."
*guy ought to be person below
Summa, these anti-Christian, pro-Mormon books you guys are reading are like religious pornography, you guys are doing yourselves a great disservice. Does this comment sound ridiculous? Think about what you are saying, we need a real intellectual debate, not just making blind statements about others.
A personal relationship with Christ is right, however which Christ is the important object of consideration. The Mormon idea of Christ is far different than that of Christianity. For instance if you came up to me and said, "I love George Washington, he was such a great guy, you know, being the first woman prime minister of Japan." You love a different George Washington than I know of. We can't just say, "Oh we say the same thing, see we both love George Washington!" First you have to attack the Christian idea of Christ, you have to show how the Mormon perception is the true one, you have to do this intellectually, not just criticizing everything we say. We need an intellectual and logical debate, not just a bunch of rhetoric and mudslinging.
Summo, you're really trying hard to get some sympathy aren't you?
Pat doesn't speak for the Christian community. In many ways he's become an eccentric.
As far as prophets are concerned, I've never considered him one. There is however a difference between predicting the future and claiming to speak for God. "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain."
I guess Pat Robertson is a Prophet... Anyone else listen to the news? If a Mormon made these claims you all would be up in arms, but I guess it is ok for an Evangelical to make these claims but not for anyone else.
You Mormons love to cry “anti-Mormon” every time someone disagrees with you.
Too bad your not capable of engaging in intelligent dialogue.
These Anit-Mormon books you guys are reading are nothing better than Religious Pornography. You are doing yourselfs a great diservice.
You read a book..... Wow, that is the biggest copout I have heard this week. That is like the "I knew a guy" comment, it is all hearsay and holds little to no weight... And yes even the 13 temples there are in Utah (You say there is one as if the ones in Utah are more important, this shows your ignorance on this topic, all temples have the same rooms that serve the same purposes). As far as Temples being anti-christian well, try King Solomon's Temple or the portable one Moses carried around with him.
Oh, and Having a personal realtionship with Christ is the First thing a person has to do to Become a Mormon....
I don't care to see the Mormon Temple, I have read in Spencer's book the rituals performed there and from what he described, it was satanic; I'll leave all that for God to deal with and pray that He will deliver many from this cult. IN Jesus Name, Amen
I read a good book recently by an ex-mormon elder, he was ex-communicated for coming to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, the book is "Beyond Mormonism" and is a great read!
This book really opened my mind to the truth of Mormonism and it is a cult in the full-sense of the word. This man was an elder and Utah and even taught what he once believed!
Check out his book and he has a web-sight also. James R Spencer is his name, his wife was born into Mormonism, and the Lord led her out too! This is a must read for all followers of Jesus Christ, not to bash the mormons, but to pray that He will deliver them from them as He did the Spencers.
God's Wrath was satisified with the blood of Jesus Christ, the only way the wrath of God remains is if you do not accept the finished work of His Son, Jesus Christ!
Ministers are to be like Shepherds taking care of the flock, leading them to Jesus Christ, and making sure they are grounded in God's Word and assist God in equiping them for His Service!
We are saved by Grace, not by works lest any man/woman should boast, works do not save us, we need to have Godly repentence and be walking in obedience to our GOD! That is salvation. It isn't enough to say, "oh, I am saved" does your life reflect that, are there major character changes that others can see, is God's glory reflected in your image??
It isn't enough to know about GOD, HE wants a personal relationship with HIS children! Why?, because HE loves us! Romans8:1 "There is therefore now NO condemnation for those in Christ Jesus"! Mormonism is legalism and works based religion, Jesus came to set captives free.
Now, freedom doesn't mean we have a license to keep on sinning, "if we confess our sins (daily) He is faithful and just, and shall forgive us our sins!!! We get a daily cleansing when we ask, and then we walk blameless before Him! In Jesus Name, Amen!
SummaTheologica,
Who said that Mormons say that only 144,000 go to heaven? Other than that, yes being a biblical Christian is anti-Mormon teaching, I am sorry about that, but it is just shear logic, you don't have to take opinions, but just statements straight out of the book of Mormon, and the Bible, compare them, and see the obvious dissagreements and contradictions.
I am not too interested in seeing the inside of the temple in Idaho, I'd rather be able to see the inside of the one in utah, but it is not a big deal to see any really. I just find it strange that they won't let others in them (until now apparentlly).
I believe that God considers faith and character very important in leaders! There is only ONE Authority and that is GOD! Man doesn't put these people in office, GOD does! He allows for them to hold the positions that they do. We usually get the kind of leaders we are looking like, many want leaders who will tell them what they want to hear, see Mike Huckabee might make people feel convicted for their SIN and they might feel the need to repent and seek a Savior, which is Christ The Lord!
God's plan is being worked out here folks, not man's whether you believe God or not, and I do plan on voting for my brother in Christ (and none of us is perfect or IDEAL) Mike Huckabee, he's a work in progress like myself, but he knows Jesus Christ and so I'll pray the Lord will bless us with a man who although not perfect, holds to Godly truths!
America could use some sound counsel and wisdom, instead of the garbage we've been strewing out for the last 30 years.
Let us return to God and seek Him while He may be found, and repent of the evil, that we His children have done in His sight, and then HE will turn and heal our land!!!
For HIS Glory! Annie
For all of you Anti-Mormons out there, have you ever wanted to see inside a Mormon Temple??? Well now is your chance, unfortunatley you have to go to Rexburg Idaho to see it. The Rexburg Idaho Temple is open to the public and one can go and tour the entire inside to see what it is like! Here is a link with some info: http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/news-releases-stories/new-temple-reflects-biblical-parallels Okay, see you there.
Wow, just becuase a website posts information about a certain faith doesn't make the information on the site true, and no, Mormons do not believe that 144,000 people go to heaven, that is the Jehovah's Witnesses, so I belive you really know nothing about Mormons, so don't post anything about them. I think I will make a website and post information about your faith, some will be false and some will be true and you better believe it because you believe everything else you read on the Net.
Here's something for Mitt to consider:
“[S]uch compliances [compromises]…of my honor, my conscience, my friends, my country, my God, as the Scriptures inform us must be punished with nothing less than hell-fire, eternal torment; and this is so unequal a price to pay for the honors and emoluments [profits from government]…that I cannot prevail upon myself to think of it [compromise]. The duration of future punishment terrifies me. If I could but deceive myself so far as to think eternity a moment only, I could comply and be promoted.” John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, citation from Original Intent by David Barton
antietam, what are you talking about!? HUCKABEE is a CHRISTIAN, not an OLD TESTAMENT JEW. Your statement is comprable to saying about a buddhist candidate, will he have all the wrath of indra?! (The comparison is not that great but it helps to ellucidate the point I believe)
Mark Demoss you are a good man go to massresistence.org this will expose Mitt Romney, the man has no core. If Mitt were elected president he would be homosexual indocrination just like he did when he was gov.
When come down to the old saying it time to cut bait or fish. if t Mr. Huckabee as president will he have the steel to unleash the power of the U.S. on it’s enemies, will be able to do what Gideon did in the old testament and unleash all the fury on his enemies as to destroy them on the spot or will he cut bait until it too late to do anything. I just want to know that all this faith talk is more then talk. Will he take action when it’s needed with the entire wrath he has at his power?
seedplanter, I can't thank you enough for that link. I have passed it along to many people who want to know the truth about the presidential candidates. God bless you and Happy New Year! :-)
maranatha, I'm glad someone checked out my link.
Godspeed!
There's also a lot of information at this URL about Romney's support of abortion rights and other problematic issues: http://massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/
If DeMoss believes that both character and competency are required, he has disqualified his own candidate. Mitt Romeny has been caught in numerous lies in recent weeks. Nothing tells more about a persons character than them engaging in deception.
I flagged my own post. Didn't think it was appropriate. :-)
Oops, a correction: The book I mentioned is _Mormonism, Mama, and Me_ by Thelma Geer.
Mk8:34, one more point: Nebuchadnezzar was king of Babylon; no one voted for him. Thankfully, we have opportunity to vote for our leaders.
Mk8:34, that decision (to remove prayer from schools) was made in 1962 and 1963, going by information I just googled. I had not connected that with JFK's presidency, but you're right; that happened on his watch. That decision was made by the Supreme Court, just handed down to the American people, which itself was a travesty of justice, as the American people weren't allowed to vote on it. We know our three branches of government are supposed to 'balance' each other, but far too many times, the Supreme Court has been unchecked.
SummaTheologica, it's very sad that you can't stick to the issue and refrain from personal attack. The Mormon theology I quoted, I've seen at websites which state Mormon doctrine. It's explained in even more depth in _Mama, Mormonism, and Me_ by Thelma Geer (available at Amazon and other book sites). She offered a free antique Book of Mormon to anyone who could disprove her claims, and not one person has got it yet. Note the URL below. They are people who live in Massachusetts, Romney's state, and I'm sure you can email them from that site if you want proof of their statements.
http://massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/
Romney barred Boy Scouts from public participation in 2002 Olympics.
The 2002 Olympics - run by Mitt Romney - was the only Olympics that restricted the Boy Scouts from participating.
Romney appointed prominent homosexual activists and Democrats as judges.
Romney Rewards one of the State's Leading Anti-Marriage Attorneys by Making him a Judge.
Romney's Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth used huge taxpayer funding to promote homosexuality in the public schools.
Romney's Commission organized public gay "Youth Pride Day" parades and "transgender proms" which promote unhealthy and risky behavior.
Romney issues a proclamation celebrating gay "Youth Pride Day".
Romney's Department of Education promotes the homosexual agenda.
Romney's Department of Public Health (DPH) cooperates with the homosexual activist movement
Romney appointed prominent homosexuals to key positions in his administration.
Romney opposed federal legislation that would stop public schools from promoting homosexuality.
Romney's Dept. of Social Services honors homosexual "married" couple as adoptive "Parents of the Year".
Romney refused to endorse the original 2002 Mass. constitutional amendment absolutely defining marriage as one man and one women.
Romney unnecessarily (and unconstitutionally) implemented homosexual marriages in Massachusetts.
Romney had marriage licenses changed to allow same-sex marriages.
Romney administration ordered Justices of Peace to perform homosexual "marriages" when asked - or be fired!.
Romney administration's training of Town Clerks (on how to issue same-sex marriage licenses) states that marriage statutes were not changed.
Romney signs bill eliminating Sexual Transmitted Disease (STD) testing requirement for marriage
When requested of him, Romney personally issues special one-day certificates to allow otherwise unqualified people to perform homosexual "marriages" .
Wasn't It John Kennedy that let prayer be taken out of schools. Didn't Nebuchadnezzar become a beliver during his kingship. Is it of God to vote for a unbeliever?That is the question.
Oglefam the same goes to you
http://www.evangelicalsformitt.com
Maranatha:
Your post are strewn with innaccuracies and I really don't think you know what you are talking about it is simply libelious and immature and quite frankley unethical and uneducated.
Maranatha: Where are the facts for the Romeny and the Boyscouts link? Until you provide your source I will not believe you.
I agree with JLF well put... And having a Mormon President is no different than when JFK ran as a Catholic, how soon we forget that just 30 years ago Catholicism was the sworn enemy of the Protestant world.
what about the whole 144,000 comment? That alone proves you know nothing about the LDS.
JLF, telling the truth about Mormon doctrine is not attacking Mormons. No one has harmed Mormons or is going to harm Mormons. When a Mormon runs for president, you can be sure the Mormon religion will be examined closely, as is true with anything concerning presidential candidates. The thing is, Romney is not even a good Mormon, unless Mormons have no problem with homosexuality and 'gay marriage'.
A mormon president is the devil's attempt at perverting Christianity and would signal the end of a Christian America! Find out the real facts. Mormons are not Christians at all and in fact consider all Christians heretics and apostates!
Pray for Mike Huckabee to win the iowa caucus...he will be an instrument for a much needed revival in America! We will be in big trouble if Mitt Romney runs against Hillary. Mitt will lose the general election drastically and will whave the atheist and communist queen hillary. I know I wouldn't vote for a mormon cultist nor a communist. Did you know that mormons believe all Christians are apostate heretics!
Again we see the cross being used as a weapon. This time however it is not blacks being persecuted. This time the victims are Mormons. Huckabee and his ilk have again taken up this symbol of Christianity and swung it like an ax at the heart of all things American. Bigotry and intolerance are still alive and well and even prospering in the heart of way too many Evangelicals. Are we going to see Evangelicals burning crosses at Mormon homes and churches? Don't you people have any shame - no sense of history - no horror at the thought of how you have regressed to the injustices you perpetrated in the past? Does the country have to relive the nightmares you made us endure in previous generations? Event the German Nazi's repented but not so the Huckabee people and his hate mongers.
The continuing attack against Mormons by Huckabee and his supporters is little different than the attacks we saw in previous generations against black people. Huckabee uses the cross as a weapon against people he dislikes just as his denomination has done for decades. He and his ilk have dragged up the old images of bigotry and intolerance and made us all aware of just how ugly prejudice and intolerance is. With one hand they protest against Mormons and the other they disavow such behavior. Yet in the Baptist Press they publish anti-Mormon hit pieces, promote Mormon hate such as is found at http://sbcoutreach.christianbooknet.com/ in the "Cult and Controversial section. Twenty six pages of titles aimed at defaming Mormons. Huckabee says he knows little about Mormons but Southern Baptists make this stuff available even in their churches to little children. It is preached from the pulpits and even though there are accurate interpretations available to them they prefer to propagate the erroneous and disseminate disinformation - this from the man who claims the high road.
maranatha7593 lies above are a prime example of what I mean. There is not one word of truth in what he/she says. And that is supposed to be Christian? - he/she is a good Evangelical? Do you think you can just say whatever comes to your mind and get away with it? Did you learn that in church too?
SummaTheologica LOL, you made my point which was about as rediculous as equating Mormons to Christians. Thanks. I did have a good laugh at your responce. :)
I'm worried about Gov Huckabee's record of letting criminals get out of prison early because they converted to Christianity. Many of those criminals are deceitful just to gain something. This one criminal he let out early went on to rape and murder again. Bad judgement!
SummaTheologica, check out the facts; you'll see Romney did indeed take all those stands. He has a very bad habit of doing one thing and saying another. Also, it's not the Jehovah's Witnesses who say Jesus and Lucifer are brothers, both sons of God. That's a Mormon doctrine.
Romney may haved banned the boyscouts from the olympics, which I would like to see the facts on that because I don't believe a cent of that, his religion is the largest sponser of the Boyscouts of America, and with out the LDS church's support, the boyscouts would have sank into oblivion a long time ago.
oglefam:
What in the hell are you talking about, pun intended. Are you confusing Mormonism with the Jehovah's witnesses? figure out what you are talking about before posting.
Just wondering if Lucifers belief in Christ means he is a Christian? I mean, he approached Yeshua and even tempted him, so he has to believe in him right? And if Yeshua and Lucifer are brothers, wouldn't those worship Lucifer also have to believe in Yeshua? Hmm...so much to consider. What seems futile for those of us who aren't Mormon is reconciling that of the 144,000 we don't even get a shot. I mean, of the 6.2 billion people alive as of last Sept 07, not including those dead and gone, we have no chance. And if I do become a Mormon, who do I have to knock off to get in? But then that would be commiting murder...oh what the heck give me a shovel, where's the coal?
Good for Huck! I'm glad he substituted the words "natural causes" for "acts of God". Someone should have thought of that ages ago. :-)
The documented truth about Mitt Romney:
http://massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/
Romney barred Boy Scouts from public participation in 2002 Olympics.
The 2002 Olympics - run by Mitt Romney - was the only Olympics that restricted the Boy Scouts from participating.
Romney appointed prominent homosexual activists and Democrats as judges.
Romney Rewards one of the State's Leading Anti-Marriage Attorneys by Making him a Judge.
Romney's Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth used huge taxpayer funding to promote homosexuality in the public schools.
Romney's Commission organized public gay "Youth Pride Day" parades and "transgender proms" which promote unhealthy and risky behavior.
Romney issues a proclamation celebrating gay "Youth Pride Day".
Romney's Department of Education promotes the homosexual agenda.
Romney's Department of Public Health (DPH) cooperates with the homosexual activist movement
Romney appointed prominent homosexuals to key positions in his administration.
Romney opposed federal legislation that would stop public schools from promoting homosexuality.
Romney's Dept. of Social Services honors homosexual "married" couple as adoptive "Parents of the Year".
Romney refused to endorse the original 2002 Mass. constitutional amendment absolutely defining marriage as one man and one women.
Romney unnecessarily (and unconstitutionally) implemented homosexual marriages in Massachusetts.
Romney had marriage licenses changed to allow same-sex marriages.
Romney administration ordered Justices of Peace to perform homosexual "marriages" when asked - or be fired!.
Romney administration's training of Town Clerks (on how to issue same-sex marriage licenses) states that marriage statutes were not changed.
Romney signs bill eliminating Sexual Transmitted Disease (STD) testing requirement for marriage
When requested of him, Romney personally issues special one-day certificates to allow otherwise unqualified people to perform homosexual "marriages" .
Mark Demoss is a fine man he comes from a good family. Recently Mitt Rimney was interviewed by Tim Russert. He Was asked about ENDA, if you are not familar this is the exaulation of homosexuality by the democratic congress, to where it woild force employers to hire homosexuals including some christian organizations.. Mitt responded by saying it should be done on a state level and not federal. The encouragment of Sodomy, how immorall. This is the man Christians consider putting in office. This is a wrong move Mark. Mitt is confused Mark. How can you support him Mark?
The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) is often accused by Evangelical pastors of not believing in Christ and, therefore, not being a Christian religion. This article http://mormonsarechristian.blogspot.com/ helps to clarify such misconceptions by examining early Christianity's comprehension of baptism, the Godhead, the deity of Jesus Christ and His Atonement.
The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) adheres more closely to First Century Christianity and the New Testament than any other denomination. For example, Harper’s Bible Dictionary entry on the Trinity says “the formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in the New Testament.”
One Baptist blogger stated “99 percent of the members of his Baptist church believe in the Mormon (and Early Christian) view of the Trinity. It is the preachers who insist on the Nicene Creed definition.” It seems to me the reason the pastors denigrate the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) is to protect their flock (and their livelihood).
I completely agree with Huckabee , 'Act of God' is incorrect to use. It is an old excuse to point the finger to God and say "it wasn't us, He did it!". God gave us free will and even He will not break that law, so he cannot cause us bad weather. He created the Earth for us and from there on whatever happens on it is 100% our responsibility, even the weather. We need to stop pointing fingers at God and look at ourselves, what have we done to cause this? Pollution is not the problem but the effect of the problem. We need to look at the cause of the pollution not the products that pollute (again pointing the fingers at others). The problem is the state of mind people have. And attitude of not caring and thinking that we are all separate and what one does will not affect the other. This attitude does not only affect other people, but also the environment .
It's funny that Huckabee is getting flak from media outlets about being "too Christian," but he's still soaring in the polls. Are reporters not reading the polls?
it's GREAT! Go Huckabee! I love his style! He defends God, quotes scripture to defend his positions-he's the best political candidate I have ever seen.
Too much Faith? Our Found Fathers refer to God and now here we stand having an issue with it? What kind of Christians are we? Ones that are ashamed of the Gospel? Surely Not!!!