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Pope Says Family Key to Peace

By Maria Mackay|Christian Post Correspondent

In his New Year’s message to of the world’s 1.2 billion Catholics Tuesday, Pope Benedict XVI reaffirmed the family as one of the most important foundations for peace in the world.

The pope expressed his support for the family in a midmorning mass on Jan. 1, traditionally celebrated within the Catholic Church as World Day of Peace. He later appeared at his window to wave to thousands of believers in St. Peter’s Square.

"The family is the first and indispensable teacher of peace," Benedict told the crowds.

Although the pope stopped short of naming specific policies, he criticized political moves in a number of countries to undermine the traditional family.

Benedict said in his New Year prayer for peace that the family was an “irreplaceable” institution and that undermining the traditional family headed by a husband and wife would undermine peace.

“Whoever, even unknowingly, circumvents the institution of the family undermines peace in the entire community,” he said.

"Everything that serves to weaken the family based on the marriage of a man and a woman... constitutes an objective obstacle on the road to peace.”

Thousands turned out for a pro-family rally in largely Catholic Spain on Sunday, during which the pope defended the family in an address via videolink.

He said: "Founded in the indissoluble union between man and woman, it is the place in which human life is sheltered and protected from its beginning until its natural end.”

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  • Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:30 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    truthandjustice1,

    Despite his sentiments on Protestantism; his observations of church history does not support your claims. It is funny how you love to change the subject.

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    O4H, I love how you pick and choose things. Johann Joseph Ignaz von Dollinger hated protestantism. His works on The Reformation (3 vols. Regensburg, 1846-1848) and on Luther (1851, Eng, tr., 1853) is very severe on the Protestant leaders. it's laughable that you would mention a person who hated protestanism to justify your point. Yes, he was excommunicated at one point, but he still loved the Church. He REFUSED to join a movement wanting to form a schism, you protestants could learn a lot from him and I'm glad you brought him up.

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet,

    Yes, however, I am discussing these same issues with someone else on th "Rome" in the Roman Catholic article.

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Is he gone again?

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Matthew 16 does not, in fact, even imply papal primacy.

    The passage says absolutely nothing about successors to Peter, and the unanimous consent of the Fathers actually opposes the Roman Catholic interpretation of Mt 16. The Fathers generally interpret the ‘rock’ in Matthew 16 to be Christ or Peter’s confession of faith in Christ. Some of the Fathers do refer to Peter as the rock but only in the sense of that he is the first to confess Christ to be the Son of God and is therefore representative of the entire Church. The Church is therefore built, not on Peter (or subsequently on the bishops of Rome), but on his confession of faith in the person of Christ. His confession points to Christ. The Fathers of the early centuries are not supporters of the Roman Catholic interpretation of Mt. 16:18 as proposed by Vatican One. Interestingly, it is the Protestant and Eastern Orthodox interpretation which is endorsed by the Fathers of the early church. This is affirmed by Johann Joseph Ignaz von Dollinger, the most renowned Roman Catholic historian of the 19th century who taught Church history as a Roman Catholic for 47 years.

    Von Dollinger states: ‘Of all the Fathers who interpret these passages in the Gospels (Matt 16:18, John 21:17), not a single one applies them to the Roman bishops as Peter’s successors. How many Fathers have busied themselves with these texts, yet not one of them whose commentaries we possess-Origen, Chrysostom, Hilary, Augustine, Cyril, Theodoret, and those whose interpretations are collected in catenas-has dropped the faintest hint that the primacy of Rome is the consequence of the commission and promise to Peter! Not one of them has explained the rock or foundation on which Christ would build His Church of the office given to Peter to be transmitted to his successors, but they understood by it either Christ Himself, or Peter’s confession of faith in Christ; often both together. Or else they thought Peter was the foundation equally with all the other Apostles, the twelve being together the foundation-stones of the Church (Revelation xxi. 14). The Fathers could the less recognize in the power of the keys, and the power of binding and loosing, any special prerogative or lordship of the Roman bishop, inasmuch as-what is obvious to anyone at first sight-they did not regard a power first given to Peter, and afterwards conferred in precisely the same words on all the Apostles, as anything peculiar to him, or hereditary in the line of Roman bishops, and they held the symbol of the keys as meaning just the same as the figurative expression of binding and loosing’ (The Pope and the Council (Boston: Roberts, 1869), p. 74).

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    thelordismylight,
    Then what does YOUR Bible mean when it calls satan the god of this world?

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    thelordismylight,

    Is it here in this article or the other article? Which point are you referring to? Just re-post here again.

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    OMG DUDE! In The 'Roman' in Roman Catholic I made bible references that challenged your faith altogether!

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    tliml,

    Which one? The Muslim girl anology or something else?

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Your first one: The faith will be COUNTED, but it does not say that it alone can get you into heaven. The same idea is repeated throught the others.

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I am addressing them: Sure fine, k. My point is this: To be Christ like you have to be like Christ. All I am saying. Now PLEASE address mine, I have to leave soon.

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet,

    How are you?

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hey, Online.

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet,

    Hello.

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    tliml,
    It is God's will that all be saved, that is why Jesus hasn't returned yet. He is waiting for the Gospel to be preached to ALL the world.

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    thelordismylight,
    Then what does YOUR Bible mean when it calls satan the god of this world?

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Thelordismylight,

    You don’t “see” these passages; if you did you would understand what they mean. What are these verses saying? I will answer your Muslim girl analogy with a sound response after you comment on these passages :)

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I'm almost sure that God would dump a lazy person that did not do anything to help anyone else before he would let a kind and good person go to hell even though they never sinned or did any wrong to anyone.

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yes, I see those passages. But... say you get into heaven and then there is this poor muslim girl that wasn't even EXPOSED to Christianity and couldn't have known... she is nice to everyone and kind and good, helps her neighbors, and tries to give the elderly a hand... She is going to hell? That is kind of hearltess...

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    thelordismylight,

    Your constant unwillingness to accept or address these bible passages demonstrates that you reject God's word for your traditions.

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Oh and I posted some interesting things on "Myths Exposed on Charismatic Christianity in America"

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Online4Him-

    Well, doesn't it make sense that to be Christ-like you have to be like Christ? Ya. Christ did works. So to be like Him you must do works...

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    tliml,

    I thank God that Jesus and the disciples never said, "We figure" but always used a "thus saith the Lord" to demonstrate truth. To say, "none” (no scriptural passages) to support your assumption that Salvation is acquired by works, is extremely disappointing. Why not take God at his word instead of coming up with your own personal opinion which is subjective? Hmmmmm. . . Accept your opinion or take God at his word; I will choose the latter. What do these verses mean?

    Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:28

    But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Romans 4:5

    Knowing that a man is not justified by the works by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Galatians 2:16.

    The Scriptures teach that salvation is a GIFT, we cannot earn a gift – Romans 6:23, Ephesians 2:8, 9. Again the Bible teaches that there is no merit to be earned or gained by our works. These two views are polar opposites.

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet-

    Satan is only god of evil, what is good belongs to God.

    Online4Him-

    None, however we see that Christ did works. Christ helped people. We want to be christ-like. Since Christ found time to cure people and help them, we figure that we should as well... that is unless you think that Christ just sat around all day and said "Believe in Me" If he did, then you would be the most Christ-like people on Earth. But no. Sadly for you, Christ was NOT lazy, Christ DID help people, and Christ DID do works, so to be Christ-like WE must do works. Logical, no?

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    tliml,

    When you get the chance; where are your passages that Salvation is acquired by works?

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Well, not "word for word", but you get the picture.

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Now, I've been debating TLIML and TAJ for some time about the fact that satan is the god of this world. They believe that he's not. I've used the scripture from 2nd Corinthians 4:3-4 which says:
    "3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
    4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

    TLIML response is that our Bible has been translated and retranslated for the Protestant Bible, and that the scripture is incorrect.
    So, I decided to consult the Catholic Holy BIble. Guess what? It says in 2nd Corinthians 4:3-4:
    "3 And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost,
    4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them."
    Wow! Word of word.
    So all this ranting and raving that TLIML does about how the Catholic Bible is so much different from the Protestant (and there are many differences, I will admit) is blown out of proportion.
    According to the Catholic Bible, satan is the god of this world.
    And, I seriously doubt (literally) that TLIML reads the Bible, much less actually studies it. Otherwise, he would not have stuck his foot in his mouth.

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    And I have to go now. Please do not crucify me for it. Or maybe you believe more in "burning at the stake" for all you Jehovahs out there ;)

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Is it really christ-like to not believe people when they say "I have to go"? I would believe you...
    :( You just keep saying "Oh he is dodging" sometimes I have to sleep :)

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Oh and I am going to say EXTRA Hail Mary's on the rosary, JUST for you, I know how much you LOVE them!

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet-

    How are you in Christ when you INSIST that Satan rules this world as the god of it? Strange. I am still saying the rosary for you.

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Maranatha-

    lol, hearing doesn't necessarily mean the bible, and it doesn't say "The word of the scriptures is the only way to God" all you have given me is "Faith coming by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God." Which does not at ALL answer what I asked :)

    Jester and Online4Him-

    My child cracked his head open. I am sorry that my personal life had to interfere with this argument. Forgive me for being SO rude! And you are perfectly correct to criticize me for leaving when I have to, I mean OF COURSE it is TOTALLY your business to correct me! Please remember that my life does not revolve around this forum or you, despite what you might think.
    Online4Him, it is a recurring scenerio for several reasons. A: I have a life that demands my full attention, it seems that YOU can find time to be on this site about 9 hours a day or even more from what I have seen. B: I have a job, a good job that I like. C: I have kids. D: I have a bad connection. E: If a friend invites me to go bowling I sure as heck will, I am not going to say "Oh sorry buddy, I have to argue with some protestants" PLEASE do not think that my debating with you has presidence over my friends. It is quite foolish of you to say "He decides to leave without answering my questions" If I have to go I HAVE TO GO.

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:19 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    tliml: "Where in the bible does it say "The bible is the only way to faith"?

    The Bible says, "Faith coming by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God."

    Without the Bible, there is no faith. Period. His Word is the standard by which we measure all things.

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet,

    Well, I have to get up early in the morning; so talk to you later and God bless :)

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet,

    Yeah, it is disturbing; much prayer.

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yeah, I dont know what's up with that. It's rather disturbing.

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet,

    Amen; I also spoke to him about the same topic and he twisted everything around. Bottom line; he does not accept scripture.

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The other day I was trying to explain to him about the god of this world argument. He wouldn't listen. He just kept calling us satanist and such, and then ran out the door. Fortunately, there is no condemnation to them who are in Christ. His opinion of me means nothing. I seek only the approval of God. Which, thankfully, I have.

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    jester,

    That is a good one; I asked him for scriptural proof for his assumption that Salvation is by works. He did not answer but asked me for scriptural proof regarding Salvation by faith; which I obliged, then poof he disappeared.

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The Phantom Menace? Just kidding. I think he's just trying to aggrevate us to the point where we'll leave. There is no other reason behind his actions.

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    so i noticed. he throws his insults around, hiding from the questions and the disappears like a phantom...
    Maybe that should be his screen name...phantom

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet & Jester,

    It seems everytime we begin to discuss a topic with tliml, he decides to leave without answering any questions. This is becoming a reacurring scenario :(

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Well, Jester. He keeps arguing that Protestants used the Bible to justify slavery, I thought maybe I would remind him of his beloved Catholic heritage. I'm waiting to see his reply. Probably something biting and rude.

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    hey online...

    but, proph, i do like your approach!

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hey, Online! Another session of listening to tliml argue like a 5 year old. Maybe someday we can get a Catholic on here who is actually a Christian.

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jester,

    Hello.

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    proph,
    ouch! are you trying my style of warfare now? that's not you! lol

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hey Prophet :)

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    light,
    Well, at least we didn't do the crusades...
    Justify that.

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    thelordismylight,

    Now where are your passages that Salvation is acquired by works?

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