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Vatican Announces 'Historic' Catholic-Muslim Meeting for Spring

By Ethan Cole|Christian Post Reporter

The Vatican announced it will hold a “historic” meeting with Muslim leaders this spring in response to an unprecedented letter signed by over a hundred Muslim clerics, scholars, and intellectuals calling for understanding based on their common ground of belief in one God.

Pope Benedict XVI proposed the meeting which will begin with three Muslim representatives coming to Rome in February or March in preparation for the meeting, Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran, head of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Inter-religious Dialogue, told the Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano last weekend.

Tauran did not give a date for the larger meeting other than saying it will take place in the spring.

The Catholic-Muslim dialogue will focus on three main topics: respect for the dignity of each person, inter-religious dialogue based on reciprocal understanding, and instruction of tolerance among the young, according to The Associated Press.

“The meeting with a delegation of some of the 138 Muslims, planned for Rome next spring, is in a certain sense historic,” Tauran said, according to L’Osservatore.

Benedict has had a tense if not poor relationship with Muslims after citing a Medieval text in September 2006 that called the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad – particularly “his command to spread by the sword the faith” – “evil and inhuman,” according to AP.

The Pope had afterwards said he was “deeply sorry” for the reactions to his remark, but stopped short of apologizing for saying it. Since then, the Vatican has been trying to improve relations with moderate Islam.

In the Muslim letter, the 138 scholars focused on the commonality between Islam and Christianity – love for God and love for one’s neighbor. They also highlighted that Christians and Muslims make up about 55 percent of the world population and therefore reconciliation between the two faiths is a must in order to maintain world peace.

Besides the Pope, more than 100 Christian theologians, ministry leaders and prominent pastors have issued a joint response in November to the scholars, saying they share the concerns of the Muslim leaders.

Signers of the Christian letter include Jim Wallis, president of Sojourners; Rick Warren, founder and senior pastor of Saddleback Church; John Stott, rector emeritus of All Souls Church in London; and Leith Anderson, president of the National Association of Evangelicals.

On the Muslim side, Jordan’s Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad bin Talal, a special envoy to King Abdullah II, has confirmed the meeting and said three representatives of the Muslim scholars will travel to Rome in February or March to lay the groundwork for the larger meeting, according to AP.

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  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Now, I've been debating TLIML and TAJ for some time about the fact that satan is the god of this world. They believe that he's not. I've used the scripture from 2nd Corinthians 4:3-4 which says:
    "3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
    4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

    TLIML response is that our Bible has been translated and retranslated for the Protestant Bible, and that the scripture is incorrect.
    So, I decided to consult the Catholic Holy BIble. Guess what? It says in 2nd Corinthians 4:3-4:
    "3 And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost,
    4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them."
    Wow! Almost word of word.
    So all this ranting and raving that TLIML does about how the Catholic Bible is so much different from the Protestant (and there are many differences, I will admit) is blown out of proportion.
    According to the Catholic Bible, satan is the god of this world.
    And, I seriously doubt (literally) that TLIML reads the Bible, much less actually studies it. Otherwise, he would not have stuck his foot in his mouth.

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:48 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    maybe you should do some research as to why you bow down to man. maybe you'll be enLIGHTened

    Grant, then, that all have erred; that the apostle was mistaken in giving his testimony; that the Holy Ghost ... He, the Steward of God, the Vicar of Christ ...[1] ”
    “ For what kind of (supposition) is it, that, while the devil is always operating and adding daily to the ingenuities of iniquity, the work of God should either have ceased, or else have desisted from advancing? whereas the reason why the Lord sent the Paraclete was, that, since human mediocrity was unable to take in all things at once, discipline should, little by little, be directed, and ordained, and carried on to perfection, by that Vicar of the Lord, the Holy Spirit.[2] ”


    In the course of the ages other vicarial designations have been used for the pope, such as Vicar of St. Peter, Vicar of the Prince of the Apostles (again referring to St. Peter, the first Pope) and even Vicar of the Apostolic See (Pope Gelasius, I, Ep. vi), but the title Vicar of Christ is more expressive of his supreme headship of the Catholic Church on earth, which people believe he bears by virtue of the commission of Christ and with vicarial power derived from Him. Thus, Pope Innocent III removed bishops by appealing to his power as Vicar of Christ (cap. "Inter corporalia", 2, "De trans. ep."). He declared that Christ had given such power only to His vicar, Peter and his successors (cap. "Quanto", 3, ibid.) and stated that the Roman Pontiff is "the successor of Peter and the Vicar of Jesus Christ" (cap. "Licet", 4, ibid.).

    The title Vicar of God used for the pope by Nicholas III (c. "Fundamenta ejus", 17, "De elect.", in 6) is employed as an equivalent for Vicar of Christ.

    The word "vicar" means one who serves or acts in place of someone as a representative, and is derived from the word "vicarius."

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:47 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    light,

    see below explanation of when vicar of Peter was changed to vicar of Christ.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicar_of_Christ

    "This title of the pope implies his supreme and universal primacy, both of honour and of jurisdiction, over the Catholic Church. Roman Catholics find justification for this in the words of Jesus Christ to St. Peter - "Feed my lambs ... Feed my sheep" (John 21:16-17). The Catholic Church believes Jesus made St. Peter the leader of the Apostles, hence, Prince of the Apostles, and constituted him as the guardian of His entire flock (the Church) in His own place, thus making him His Vicar and fulfilling the promise He made in Matthew 16:18-19.

    The title "Vicar of Christ" came into use in the fifth and sixth centuries. The Christian Church prior to Constantine reserved the titles, "Vicar of Christ" and "Vicar of the Lord" exclusively for the Holy Spirit, whom Jesus sent to His Apostles to complete their training (John 16:12-15). Tertullian demonstrates this fact in the following quotes:"

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:57 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    tliml: "God will wreak havoc amongst His childrens' enemies."

    IYO, who are "His children" and who are the enemies?

  • Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:55 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I hope Catholic leaders will not expect Muslims to be accepting of anyone else's faith. There is far too much evidence to the contrary.

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hm now that I think about it I should have called you proddies lol. nvm.

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Fine... and I guess i will stop calling you and your friends protties. Deal.

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    TLIML,
    Can I just call you "light"? thelordismylight is kind of long, and RCC sounds too demeaning.

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    RCC,
    If you are refering to me in that "wreck havoc" comment, you couldn't be more wrong. God just opened new doors of ministry for my wife and me. So much for your false accusations (again). God is alive and blessing my family and me immensely.

  • Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    God will wreak havoc amongst His childrens' enemies, just as He is doing to you.

    LOL if protties have a better understanding of the bible how come they are divided in the first place?

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Calling it a night; will talk to ya all later, Lord willing :)

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet,

    Amen, well said.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    yes, God will protect me. That is comforting to know.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    truthandjustice1,

    His "church" is described as the "church in the wilderness" - Rev. 12. You know not of this world.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    God will protect his Church (Matt 16:18)

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:24 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I am not of this world, so satan has no authority over me.

    Why is it, that protestants, though "divided", have a deeper understanding of God and His Holy Word?

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:24 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    truthandjustice1,

    If it does not matter, why apologize? In regard to those following and making bridges with Rome; this is no surprise, this is the fullfiling of prophecy.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    And yes, satan is more powerful than I am...on my own. But with the power of the Holy Spirit, I have dominion over him. Satan is the god of this world. Study the Word of God and you will see that when the phrase "the world" is used,it is talking about the unsaved people, and worldly ways. That is who satan is god over.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    He was deeply sorry that they would get so upset, just like he was "deeply sorry" that the protestants couldn't handle the truth. It doesn't really matter at the end of the day because the day after the Pope made the statement about the Catholic Church being the true Church James Dobson and associates were visiting with the Pope to discuss how they could form bridges. Likewise the Pope stated the same thing about errors in the Muslim religion and now they are begging for peace. It raises the question: who is the leader and who are the followers?

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    He does give Satan certain power over things, including corrupting the minds of men. If God did not, then He would have already banished him. The Bible talks about putting on the armor of God to resist the fiery darts of the devil. So, yes he does have power. Catholics should know this more than anyone. Isn't a priest called when someone is possessed? What is possession? When someone is in the control of another being(i.e spirits)

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:15 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Taj,

    Hello.

    If the pope was so "deeply sorry", why did he even make the statement in the first place? The antonym for sorry is glad/unrepentant; so what were his motives for both of these statements? It sounds like he is using evasive and ambiguous language.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Correction: complete control over this world.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    there it is! the ol Catholic escape hatch! if you can't explain it away or you dont agree with it....just say "its been translated, retranslated, blah blah blah." i suppose that the scripture that says "Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life...." has been retranslated incorrectly. catholics and mormons have so much in common!!

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet-

    I find it funny that you claim that you are one of God's chosen ones when you believe that He lets the devil have complete control over us.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    If you do not believe that God is our god, why do you worship Him? Should you not be worshipping Satan? Since you venerate him so as the god of this world.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The protestants were mad when he stated the belief in Catholicism as the one true Christian Church did he apologize?? No. The Muslims were mad when he called them a threat to Christianity that must be dealt with, did he apologize?? No. Why would he apologize for speaking the truth?

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Oh..so the scripture should read:
    "3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

    4In whom God hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. "

    I see. God sent His son to die for us, but He doesn't want us to know....

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet-

    The scripture, no matter what you want to believe, has been translated, re-translated, de-translated, and changed. When you get to heaven and God asks you "Why did you not have faith in Me, that I could not overpower evil?" are you actually going to say "The bible said that Satan was more powerful than you"

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Thelordismylight, we are fighting a much greater enemy that divides our Christian beliefs. Similar to the Lord of The Rings I think a day might be approaching where we stand shoulder to shoulder, but I wonder about their spiritual strength when I see their leaders appearing weak when they are backed by the gospel. The Pope's not going to apologize for what he said because he was right, he only apologized for the reaction to it.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    God, of course.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Then please explain who this "god of this world" is?

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    TAJ-

    Isn't it sad that the protestants have come up with new twisted ways to use the BIBLE to give Satan power?

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    lol, funny Jester. Ok well not really, but at least I didn't insult you.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Satan is the god of this world.

    "3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

    4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I think that Catholics follow the practice of "saints" praying for us, because they believe God lives waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay up there somewhere and cant hear us.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Where's the confusion?? Christian Post published 2 articles one regarding the National Association of Evangelicals apology letter for the sins of Christians during the Crusades and for "excesses" of the global war on terror, without mentioning Muslim acts of violence.

    Another stating that Pope Benedict said he was "deeply sorry" for the reactions to his remark, but stopped short of apologizing for saying it.

    Enough said

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I'm a saint. According to the Bible.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    National Association of Evangelicals wrote and apology letter for the sins of Christians during the Crusades and for "excesses" of the global war on terror, without mentioning Muslim acts of violence.

    Pope Benedict said he was "deeply sorry" for the reactions to his remark, but stopped short of apologizing for saying it.

    Enough said

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:36 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    i see that tliml just threw the Bible out the window. I guess that just proves my suspicion about Catholics. Jesus is THE way, THE truth, and THE life. No one comes to the Father (no, that's not the pope) but through Him. So, unless Muslims recieve Jesus as who He really is and what He really did, then they are not going to heaven.

    but i do find it interesting that he speaks of not thumping people over the head with the Bible and "closing the gap" . In other words, to be tolerant. but he doesn't see what's going on in the Muslim realm. check out the article "Malaysian Gov't Official Reiterates Muslim Claim on 'Allah'"
    It says "Speaking to reporters, Abdullah Zin, the de-facto minister for Islamic affairs, said ”Allah“ refers to the Muslim god and that it can only be used by Muslims given the sensitivity that may arise."
    Boy, they sound tolerant! Sounds like they sure want to "close the gap". NOT. They are merely trying to advance their cause. and if they can fool the Christians along the way by claiming that they want to unite, then the only ones being fooled are the carnal christians.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:02 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Where does the notion come from to pray to saints and request their help in speaking to our Father? What constitutes a saint? Is it attainable by all or a select few? Is this required for redemption? Is the Pope the embodiment of God to us? What is at the core of all of this? Is the Bible considered at all?

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Kenny-

    For shame. We do NOT pray to saints! EVERYONE LISTEN! EVERY SINGLE PROTESTANT I HAVE EVER MET HAS THIS POINT SADLY MISTAKEN!! We ask saints to PRAY FOR US.

    Hail Mary, full of grace the lord is with thee, blest art thou among women and blest is the fruit of thy womb Jesus, Holy Mary, mother of God, PRAY FOR US SINNERS now and at the hour of our death amen.

    Did you hear that? It said pray for us, not we pray to you. The truth hurts doesn't it?

    Homosexuality is temptation, homosexuality ITSELF does not lead to hell. Nobody can help temptation. ACTING on it and GIVING INTO that temptation, however, IS bad.

    We are not watering it down. Our bible is UNTOUCHABLE! No pope can EVER change it. Your bible is very flimsy and is edited many times a year. If the KJ bible is so strict and lined out how come there are SO MANY sects of Protestantism? We are not compromising with Islam lol. We are not CHANGING ANYTHING ABOUT OURSELVES, such as you folk often do.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:25 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    bempey,

    Although I am not as optimistic about the effects of this get together the Pope and the clerics are having I agree with you about the nuts in comments section here. They have a very Orwellian sense about them; hatred is loving, bigotry is good, opinion is fact, war is peace. They talk a lot about things they don’t understand.

    They say stupid things like, “Our God is love, there's is kill the infidel, Our sword is the sword of the Spirit the Word of God, there sword is an actually physical sword to sliit your throat if you don't convert, which they did to thousands of people.” And then they proceed to support our “Christian” nation going to war with Islamic countries, causing 100,000’s of dead, which are merely called “collateral damage”. And their lack of understanding Islam is astounding in its simplistic idiocy. They denounce all those who even try to talk about peace and understanding.

    I noticed that jester mentioned that “we should be wary for the advesary who comes as an angel of light to decieve and destroy”… he should look in the mirror.


    thelordismylight,

    Amen


    http://didymuspov.blogspot.com/

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:23 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    The video I was speaking of was actually about the Ecumenical Movement, and you can find it on YouTube by doing a search for "Ecumenical Movement." I was not speaking of holidays when it comes to compromisation with pagans, I was speaking of idol worship. The doctrine of the Catholic Church is not based on the Bible, but based on early writings of so-called Church fathers. If Mary, the mother of Jesus, were to walk into a Catholic Church and hear people praying to her and worshipping images of her she would fall down on her knees and scream in agony! God gets the glory, not Mary. The Catholic Church has no authority whatsoever, as it claims to have the authority to change Biblical law.

    As for some others here, your theology is weak. Yes, some Muslims worship Christ as a prophet. But unless they worship Christ as savior, they will get nothing out of it.

    There's a huge difference between loving and accepting somebody. I can love a homosexual, but I cannot accept their decision because I know it leads to Hell. The same can be said for a Muslim. Never did Christ or anyone in the Bible compromise the Christian faith for any other religion, accept when they turned their backs on God. That is what this is all about. We have a Gospel that can save these people, and instead of boldly preaching it we are watering it down and compromising.

    When Paul preached to followers of false religions, he boldly preached the Gospel of Christ. He did not compromise, he didn't stick around to hear what they had to say about their false God's, and he didn't gather together with them to get a common understanding of God. Why? He already knew Him! He also already knew that the Gospel message had POWER, and did not need to change it to witness to anyone.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:04 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Servent-

    Maybe YOU should do some research. It is called the Vicar of Christ, coming from the Latin route of vicarious, meaning to act in the person of. It is spelled Vicar, not vicor.

    Jester-

    We are not compromising our faith. We are trying to close gaps, and better yet, prevent lives from being lost in jihads, religious struggles. Maybe instead of "bearing witness" and thwacking them over the head with the bible, you should try to find similarities and solve problems by negotiating. Personally, I think that muslims have a great shot at heaven. The majority try to live good, simple lives and the poor illiterate followers are constantly being decieved by those that can read and interpret the quran.

    RBB-

    If you disagree with what the Church is doing, good for you. We are actually striving to make PROGRESS toward showing muslims the way. Do you think any muslim in Iraq or Afghanistan will listen to a Christian that comes waltzing down the street, proclaiming the word? The answer is no. First we have to close gaps and then we can attempt to show them the way. So while you protestants and such accuse us of compromising and what not, we will go along our way, converting more, helping more, and DOING more, while you stand there, point your fingers and criticize. There is no monument for critics.

    Kenny-

    We have not compromised with paganism. What you may have misinterpreted as compromise would be replacing pagan holidays with feast days to make them feel as though they were retaining their religion. However, Protestant religions are guilty of the same thing. Ummm the Ecuminical Movement? And I would like you to post the link for this video. Otherwise I would be inclined to believe that you are not being quite truthful.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:10 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    bempsey,
    I'll tell you who said it was time to suit up: Paul the apostle. Put on the whole armor of God. Why? To resist the fiery darts of the devil. What's one of his weapons? ignorance. complacency. compromise. etc

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:08 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    bempey,
    Why do I need to use my real name? What difference is it going to make, no one will know who i am anyway.
    If you were a real Christian, you would understand that God sees all, and just because I don't use my real name, it doesn't mean he doesn't know. Talk about being immature.
    Yes, Jesus is love. And Jesus himself said "I do not come to bring peace, but a sword...." Look into the context of that verse. He is saying that He (and being a Christian) would create controversy. Jesus is THE way, truth, and life...no one comes to the Father, but by Him. Muslims don't believe that. So what if they believe He was a Prophet...He is so much more than that. He's the Son of God, God incarnate, a part of the trinity Godhead.
    I don't hate Muslims. I pray for them. And if I ever get the chance to witness to one, I will. But these hardcore muslims that these Christians are wanting to treaty with, are not interested in becoming saved. And those Christians aren't the least bit interested in witnessing or trying to get them saved. They are interested only in creating a compromise...being unequally yoked with an unbeliever.
    Keeping your head in the sand leaves your butt hangin in the wind....think about it.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:06 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

    xizwyck,
    does it stike you funny, that when the inception of pope came about his title was vicor of Peter? if you don't know when that changed or why that changed do some research, might enlighten you a bit.

    bempey,

    you are so right about the new Jersulam, except the Bible says that will only come after Satan and all the lost are cast into hell for 1000 years. So maybe you're not right. Oh and by the way, read your Bible and find out that what is happening was prophecied over 2000 years ago. There were no bigot comments, only fact. They do NOT believe in Jehovah Yaweh, they believe in allah. Our God is love, there's is kill the infidel, Our sword is the sword of the Spirit the Word of God, there sword is an actually physical sword to sliit your throat if you don't convert, which they did to thousands of people.

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:22 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    God is love.
    God is Grace.
    Grace is Tolerance.

    Hatred and intolerance are the opposite of what Jesus Christ taught, so why are so many comments promoting hatred and intolerance of Muslims?

    Whoever wrote "Its time to suit up" (as in, prepare for war) is speaking the words of the devil, not the words of God.
    They should be permanently banned from this site!

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:10 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    This is the biggest event and news in Christianity since the discovery of the dead-sea scrolls!
    We are talking about a "cease-fire" of global proportions, not a merger of 2 similar religions worshiping the same god.

    This could lead to the re-unification of Jerusalem for the first time in how many centuries?
    The only ones who stand to lose are the arms dealers and morticians.
    I'll be happy to donate to a fund for their retraining in new careers! :)

  • Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:03 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    I am stunned at the bigotry and non-Christian ideas presented in the comments!
    When did Jesus say: Love thy neighbour, unless they are Muslim" ???
    I'd be ashamed to stand in the same church as most of you.

    Do any of you know that Jesus is worshipped as a prophet by Muslims?

    I see that none of you use your real names ... are you afraid that Jesus might read your hate-mongering words?
    Your comments read like childish pranks. Please show some maturity and respect for the ways of our Lord.
    Its no wonder Christians are hated so much nowadays with such non-Christian hatred coming from supposedly Christian folks!

    And please, try to understand the 10 commandments before you start quoting scriptures that you don't understand.

    And if you were REAL Christians, you wouldn't be afraid to use your real names!

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