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Society|Thu, Jan. 10 2008 08:22 AM EST

Groups Voice Opposition Against Assisted Suicide Initiative

By Lawrence Jones|Christian Post Reporter

Several groups, representing medical physicians to people with disabilities, are voicing strong opposition against an initiative filed Wednesday by a former Washington governor that would make the state the second in the nation to legalize assisted suicide.

Under the "Washington Death with Dignity Initiative," launched by former Gov. Booth Gardner, Washington residents who have less than six months to live would be able to request from a doctor a prescription of legal drugs to end their life.

Backers of the measure have until July to collect about 225,000 from state residents to put the issue on the November 2008 ballot.

Gardner, 71, who has Parkinson's disease, modeled the initiative after Oregon's assisted suicide law. He said he still supports the measure even though it would not apply to his non-fatal condition.

"This is something we should do. We should have done it a long time ago," Gardner said last week, according to the Seattle Times. "It's the right thing to do - it's the Christian thing to do."

But opposition against the measure has been mounting, beginning with Gov. Chris Gregoire, who is a friend to Gardner.

"I love my friend Booth Gardner, and my heart goes out to his condition and what he's had to face," Gregoire, who choked up briefly before speaking, told reporters Tuesday.

"I pray every day that we'll find a cure. But I find it on a personal level very, very difficult to support assisted suicide."

A counter campaign to the initiative, Coalition Against Assisted Suicide, has also formed. Backed by Democratic state Sen. Margarita Prentice, a former nurse, the coalition consists of people with disabilities, doctors, nurses, hospice workers, minority persons and religious groups.

Duane French, the spokesman for the group, is concerned that the assisted suicide law would pressure sick and disabled people who see their condition as too great a hardship or economic burden for relatives.

“The judgment of people with a terminal illness is often clouded by depression," added French, who is a quadriplegic. "Assisting people at their most vulnerable point to end their lives is not compassion, it’s negligence.”

Joelle Brouner of the disability-rights group Not Dead Yet, a coalition member, also chimed in on the debate, reported the Associated Press.

"I think it's a mistake for the people of Washington to accept death as a progressive health care policy."

The effort led by Gardner is not the first time the issue of assisted suicide was presented before the state. In 1991, Washington voters rejected a similar initiative.

One major change in the recent measure is that the patient requesting the lethal prescription must self-administer the drugs. Other "safeguards" in the new proposal require witnesses to the patient's both oral and written requests and a two-day waiting period following the final written request before the prescription could be dispensed.

Opponents also said the measure is a slippery slope to euthanasia and would actually remove, not grant, ethical safeguards for patients, pointing to the case in the Netherlands.

"Published medical studies reveal that Dutch doctors administer lethal injections to roughly a thousand patients a year who never consent to their deaths. That's autonomy for doctors – not for patients," commented Dr. David Stevens, CEO of Christian Medical Association.

"The answer to patients suffering at the end of life is not to kill them, but to provide aggressive and appropriate relief from pain, compassionate counsel and unconditional love," he added.

The American Medical Association also opposes assisted suicide, according to AP.

Last year, pro-life advocates were successful in stopping assisted suicide in California, Hawaii, and Vermont.

"The leading champion of assisted suicide, Dr. Jack Kevorkian, taught us that keeping assisted suicide illegal is the only true 'safeguard' against abuse," said French.

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  • Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:03 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Please do not commit suicide, if you need help just say out loud now Jesus I believe and I receive you in my heart please help me for more help please go to leroyjenkins.com Thank you

  • Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:45 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 7

    i do not under stand why someone would want to kill themselves it seems to solve nothing. even if you are in cronic pain and have a terminal desiesa cause you never know when they might find a cure to your problem or what ever. but i will pray for you so that maybe one day u will understand

  • Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:00 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    MuggleBorn

    Ah yes, "We can agree- we are obviously at an impasse. You believe one thing. I believe the opposite"


    " What you stake your convictions on could leave you with an eternity in pain. Not a virtual eternity, not just a very very very long time, but ... an eternity."

    what ever is is, I have no way at this time of knowing one way or the other about whether there is an after life with an eternal torture chamber or a heaven. Logic suggest to me there are probably neither. The ancients such as the egyptians concerned themselves very much with the notion of the afterlife. I guess thats something that many thinking human animals do. As a scientist and agnostic, I focus on the here and now and what can be known thru experimentation and observation. If there is a creator I doubt seriously its anything like the descriptions I see on these posts. These discussions about God have been going on for centuries, really the same stuff 100, 1000, 2000 years ago. Probably be the same stuff 100 and 1000 years from now. Back to euthanasia for me, it should be up to me-not you, not the government.

  • Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:25 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    MuggleBorn "What happens when someone whom you profess to love starts to pinch your wallet, decides they want to live, and your standard of living feels the pain? Who's choice will it be then; The individual with the disease, or the individual with a stressed income?"

    with what I have in mind, that wouldn't happen, the individual would be the one making the decision.

  • Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:49 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    citsonga,
    One more thing ...

    >> I believe in the right for an --->>> individual to decide for themselves <<<--- if euthanasia is right for them when life becomes unbearable due to disease <<

    and then ...

    >> I do predict though that many religious folks that oppose euthanasia now , will begin to change their minds as the population ages and the infirmed begin to --->>> pinch their wallets <<<--- with increased taxes to pay for it all <<

    What happens when someone whom you profess to love starts to pinch your wallet, decides they want to live, and your standard of living feels the pain? Who's choice will it be then; The individual with the disease, or the individual with a stressed income?

    Think about it clearly before you try to back up that blatant contradiction.

  • Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    citsonga,
    I'm sorry about your friend ... whether you will believe me or not. I don't ever wish that kind of suffering on anyone, and I'm sure if I'd been by his bedside, I would have struggled with my convictions.

    But whether you believe this or not, all suffering in this world is caused by sin, directly or indirectly. In other words, I don't believe that cancer was the fault of your friend, or his parents, or any individual. But I know that if there had not been original sin as described in Genesis, suffering would not exist.

    >> This is stuff what you believe in, great for you. I don't, I am an agnostic and this stuff I find silly and irrelevant. <<
    Then we are obviously at an impasse. You believe one thing. I believe the opposite. There are no mathematics that can balance that out unless one of us changes their mind. But what I stake my convictions on will at worst, leave me in excruciating pain for the rest of my life, here on Earth. If I'm wrong, we'll ALL eventually be at peace; no regrets (no memories). What you stake your convictions on could leave you with an eternity in pain. Not a virtual eternity, not just a very very very long time, but ... an eternity.

    >>The big problem I have with religious folks like you, is they are so convinced they have the correct view of the world, they dont recognized they might very well be wrong. <<
    One of the biggest misconceptions about Christians is that we base our convictions on what WE feel and not what is given to us through God's Word. While there is no actual mention of suicide in the Bible, outside of accounts of certain individuals (those not faithful to God, for the record), one can extrapolate with clarity that killing one's self is the same as murder. And since the result renders us unable to repent of it before it's too late ... it's pretty clear where we can end up. Now, I haven't gone and studied the heck out of this, so for me it still comes down to the concern that someone might decide to make the WRONG decision for me.
    And you seem awfully convinced that YOU are right, so what you're really saying is "shut up and don't push your view on me, because it's not my view" ... Even though erring on the side of life is even something that a few atheists I've known believe in.

    >> I will mind my own business and you should do the same <<
    You'll never ever be able to make an airtight law that provides happy happy death for those that want it, with no mistakes. I've heard too many people use the phrase "Easier to just ask for forgiveness later, than for permission now", and then make the completely WRONG decision about something they knew they should have done differently in the first place. So it's not as simple as minding my own business because LAWS AFFECT ME.

  • Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:11 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Well MuggleBorn, a friend on mine suffered for 6 months with terminal cancer. pain mangement medications did not work well for him.. All he wanted to do was die, the pain and paralysis were a hell for him. He wanted to be euthanized, but law prevented it. If I were in that situation, i would at least want the option to be euthanized- my decision.
    My options to choose should be none of your or the governments business.

    you posted "What's a week, a month, or years of temporal pain & suffering compared to the ETERNAL rewards that wait for me in Heaven for my appreciation of God's 2nd greatest gift? (Read John 3:16 for His 1st greatest)."

    This is stuff what you believe in, great for you. I don't, I am an agnostic and this stuff I find silly and irrelevant. The big problem I have with religious folks like you, is they are so convinced they have the correct view of the world, they dont recognized they might very well be wrong. What I would say again, you believe what you want, I will believe in what I want, I will mind my own business and you should do the same.

    Euthanasia should of course be entirely up to the individual, no one else should have the authority to decide for someone else.

  • Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:51 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    citsonga,
    There are problems with the sentiments you have on so many levels.

    First, many of the religious folks you speak of ARE elderly and/or infirmed. These are people who know Christ personally in their lives and are the most appreciative of the gift they have. I'm sure most of them would gladly change places with you if the offer came up, but if this initiative makes it to the ballot box, lets see how many Baby Boomers wheel themselves out to the polls to vote on it. There are old people in the world ALL THE TIME. Think if it as a sort of generational continuity ;^)

    Also, why didn't Michael Schiavo mind HIS own business when he decided to have his wife Terri's feeding tube removed, and LET HER STARVE TO DEATH. Is slow death compassionate? Do you think he sat around to watch her wither?

    Did you read my last post? Who will mind YOUR business if you ever (God forbid it) find yourself in a state where you had a change of heart about your life, just before you lost the ability to express it?

    What's a week, a month, or years of temporal pain & suffering compared to the ETERNAL rewards that wait for me in Heaven for my appreciation of God's 2nd greatest gift? (Read John 3:16 for His 1st greatest).

    If some genius ever compares MY quality of life with their "convenience" and decides to kill me, I'll remember to forgive YOU and all others who endeavored to NOT impose your views on me.

  • Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:08 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    I believe in the right for an individual to decide for themselves if euthanasia is right for them when life becomes unbearable due to disease. The decision should be mine, not yours. If you dont believe in euthanasia, then not do it. Its that simple. The problem I have with religious folks is that they too often impose their views on others. How about this, mind you own business.

    I do predict though that many religious folks that oppose euthanasia now , will begin to change their minds as the population ages and the infirmed begin to pinch their wallets with increased taxes to pay for it all.

  • Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:33 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Chris333,
    It's not that gb doesn't place value on life; he just doesn't place value on life that's not his. I'll wager this is typical of people with this ever-so-conscious regard for people's "dignity in death". But let’s hear what they have to say when they’re 80.

    There are plenty of exceptions, as is apparent in suicide statistics of people who are willing to take their own lives (and sometimes forcibly invite a few guests), but other burdensome individuals may not be (or have been) ready.

    Christopher Reeve was certainly a burden to Dana Reeve, who I'm sure didn't want to see him go. I’ll bet Stephen Hawking has a few more quantum physicist to upset before he crosses that event horizon. Their lives, along with many others with any number of infirmities, do (or did) NOT have any less value than my life, your life, Chuck Norris' life, etc.

    Don't be so anxious to make someone your Durable Power of Attorney just yet, gb. You may find yourself in a situation where you can’t move or speak, but you’re screaming (in your head) at your benefactor NOT to just cut off your supply of soilent green.

    Our respected elderly may be the burden now, but just like Chris333 said:
    Step it up a notch ... the severely mentally-physically handicapped are a burden ... We’ll all come around.
    Step it up a notch ... the severely mentally handicapped are a burden ... We’ll all come around.
    Step it up a notch ... the coherent, but severely physically handicapped are a burden ... We’ll all come around.
    Step it up a notch … the severely mentally ill (including those in “great emotional torment”) are a burden … We’ll all come around.
    Step it up a notch … the homeless are a burden … We’ll all come around.
    Step it up a notch … narcoleptics are a burden … What was that? I dozed off.

    The moment you leave it to society to decide what your quality of life is, and if you’re qualified to live by that standard is the moment you could accept being placed into a ‘Twilight Zone’ episode with Burgess Meredith, where some lucky individual on a power trip my decide you’re “OB-SO-LETE”.

  • Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:31 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Hey gb! I have a great idea, since old people are such a drain on society, as you say, lets just start killing them! Isn't that what you are basically saying? And while we are at it, lets kill al the disabled and handicapped people too! I mean less medical bills for their families and society right?Atheism doesn't give us an answer for how we should treat people we deem weaker or "draining", I don't see how you are planning on solving any social problems gb. I hope you also see the deficiencies in your thinking.

  • gb »
    Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:13 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    The elderly live increasingly longer lives because our medical establishment keeps them breathing longer than they would have years ago; often long after they are non compos mentis and their means to pay for themselves have been exhausted.

    When the elderly can no longer afford themselves, they become a drain on the next two or three generations of their descendants because they use more expensive medical services than when they were young.

    Because of that, if a voter feels that his religion requires him to meddle in somebody else's life, for any reason, the meddler, after having intervened successfully, ought to volunteer to bear the financial burden of the life that he was instrumental in saving through his meddling.

    There has to be responsibility for every action. It's the only fair thing. Just as my freedom to swing my fist stops where your nose begins; the consequences of your religious beliefs stop where my body starts.

  • Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    This is an issue that is not going to go away anytime soon in the US and in Europe because of the ageing populations, the absence of the extended family and, among other things, the increasing number of people who suffer from painful and debilitating illnesses.

    God is pro-life. However, is there a possibility that there are circumstances such as terminal illness which justify taking a life through assisted suicide. I think it's important for Christians to be clear on what the bible teaches and what its intentions are regarding suffering humanity.

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