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Study: Most Americans Support School Prayers, Religious Displays

By Audrey Barrick|Christian Post Reporter

A majority of Americans believe religious displays, prayers at school and the Ten Commandments display in a court building should be legal in the United States, a new study showed.

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While religious Americans were more likely to agree, a majority of those who are not religious also believe such religious expressions and practices should be allowed, according to Ellison Research which conducted the research on a sample of 1,007 adults. The study was released Thursday.

Survey results revealed that 98 percent of born-again Americans compared to 81 percent of those not born again believe voluntary student-led prayer at public school events, such as football games or graduation ceremonies, should be legal. Also, 97 percent of born agains believe the law should support religious groups renting public property for meetings if non-religious groups are allowed to do so while 86 percent of not born again Americans agree. And 94 percent of born agains say a teacher wearing a religious symbol, such as a Star of David or a cross, during class should be legal compared to 85 percent of not born people.

Ron Sellers, president of Ellison Research, believes the survey breaks the stereotype of the "religious right" and the "liberal left" believing a certain way.

“There’s too often a stereotype in today’s world that one side – be they defined as churchgoers, conservatives, the ‘religious right,’ Republicans, evangelicals, or whatever – want to turn the U.S. into a theocracy or shove religion down everyone’s throats, while the other side – again, be they called Democrats, the non-religious, liberals, or the unchurched – are anti-religion and fighting to make this a purely secular society. On most of these issues, these different groups have a lot more in common than the stereotypes would suggest – most people simply support the right to individual religious expression, even if another person may not like that expression," said Sellers in the report.

Although conservatives were more likely than liberals to believe in allowing the specific religious expressions and practices, majorities from both the groups agree with many of the issues such as allowing a nativity scene on city property, allowing a teacher to wear a religious symbol during class, and letting religious groups rent public property.

There were larger discrepancies between the two groups on other issues such as voluntary student-led prayer at public school events. While 95 percent of conservatives say that should be legal, only 73 percent of liberals agree. Moreover, 87 percent of conservatives believe it should be legal to display the Ten Commandments in a court building but only 60 percent of liberals agree.

Comparing the religious and non-religious Americans, 94 percent of born agains believe the Ten Commandments in a court building should be allowed but only 70 percent of those not born again agree.

Still overall, the survey found an overwhelming majority of Americans united on many of the issues. Ninety percent agree that religious groups renting public property if other groups are allowed to do so should be legal and 89 percent also say it should be legal for a public school teacher to permit a "moment of silence" for prayer or contemplation for all students during class time.

“By definition, giving rights to one person means taking rights away from another. If I have the right to paint my house any color I want, my neighbor loses the right not to have to look at a purple house," said Sellers. "Americans clearly come down on the side of freedoms and rights for individuals and groups, and against restrictions. They believe in the right of a student to express herself at graduation, or the right of a church to rent a public school gym for its services, or the right of a public school teacher to wear a Star of David on his lapel. The majority feels those who don’t wish to listen to a prayer at graduation or see the Ten Commandments in a court building have the right to ignore these things – but not the right to stop others from expressing themselves.” Continue »

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  • Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:40 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    agentorange

    Part 1

    The very things you have accused me of you are equally, if not more, guilty of then me. You weren't satisfied with the statistics I gave, you wanted more. You have thus far provided none.

    I suggested you read the book I got my information from because it would have been very difficult for me to give you what you wanted. David Barton plotted out the gov stats for about 40 different areas of our society's life before 1962 and afterwards. I could not have reproduced that here for you.

    You gave a source to support your position. I went to that site. It would have been very difficult for you to have given the evidence I was looking for from the way it was written. Plus, all it did was make some comparisons with what was happening in America during a decade or two compared to another nation. These kinds of statistics gives very little, I mean very little, useful information to describe the trends of moral decay over a long period of time.

    To know if a nation is in moral free fall you have to compare that nation to itself over a long period of time, not just take a decade or two and make a comparison to what some other country is experiencing over that same time interval.

    You pass judgment on David Barton and his motives and you don't even know anything about the man. You pass judgment on the content of his book and you have not even looked inside of it to see what is in it. Any statements you make either about David Barton or his book is irrelevant. Get the facts before you make any conclusions about an issue if you want to be taken seriously.

  • Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:34 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    agentorange

    Part 2

    The passage in Romans that I quoted referred to a nation or society that once knew God but then rejected Him. When they rejected God then God turned them over to a reprobate mind to do all forms of unrighteousness.

    Whether you wish to acknowledge the fact that America was founded on Christian principles or not doesn't change the fact that it was. This nation down thru its history has acknowledged God and has had His principles applied to its society. If it didn't then school prayer would have not been a part of the school system. Many schools would have not read the Bible every morning. The Ten Commandments would not have been displayed in the Courts, the US Supreme Court and in the schools. Each legislative session would not open with prayer if God was not recognized in the assembly. The US Supreme Court would not open up each session with the marshall saying, "Oyez,oyez, God save the United States and this Honorable Court." It is quite evident that this society has acknowledged God and has called upon Him.

    Once the US Supreme Court decided that the voluntary school prayer, Bible reading in the classroom, and the public display of the Ten Commandments were no longer constitutional, they, in effect, said to God that He was no longer welcomed in our society.

    So, God , for the most part has left our society. He has turned us over to all manner of evil. One does not have to be a genius or a rocket scientist to see that since the early 60's our nation has been in a moral free fall.

    What our nation has experienced since the 60's only goes to give testimony to the truth of God's Word.

  • Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:08 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    “Answer the questions. Show me the statistics”

    Here’s where you can find some info - www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/ijs.htm

    But I think you’re missing the point here star. Your premise was that only Christian countries are those that are, for a lack of a vernacular ‘moral’ and therefore have higher standards of living as they are consequently not ‘being judged by god’.

    I gave you a list of countries which exceed the USA in many if not most indexed stats, while at the same time they are nominally Christian or not Christian at all, thus there is no correlation and god isn’t judging any particular country, taking sides or any nonsense like that. I followed this up with showing that if god is really to be judgmental he logically ought to be messing their country up first as they are, by your very own admission non-Christian and thus should feel gods wrath first as opposed to us. But, that’s not how it appears either so the premise is wrong.

    The only significant area where the USA leads against EU countries and the others mentioned is in % of population that is Unemployed. Which begs the question, how can many of these countries that have such higher unemployment rates have lower levels of crime, poverty rates, access to education and healthcare and so on?

    “Prove to me with statistics that they are not suffering from the judgment of God.”

    What a crock, prove to me they are. It’s your god and your premise and you’d have to support that claim by showing he’s actually judging them to begin with. How exactly can one determine if god is judging a country? Good luck.

    “Increased or decreased?”

    A few o of those things mentioned have increased in some countries, however as mentioned before these countries are less Christian if at all and so if god is to be passing wrath around they logically should be first served.

    “Has greed increased or decreased?”

    I have no idea how you’d measure greed, besides it’s not something tracked so it’s not as if I could report the stats on it.

  • Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:37 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    agentorange

    Just because other countries are not as "bad" as we are doesn't mean they have not deteriated morally and in a significant way. It does not mean that the judgment of God is not on them as well.

    Prove to me with statistics that they are not suffering from the judgment of God. Compare their society in the 40's with the society they have today.

    Has violent crime increased or decreased? Has murder increased or decreased? Has abortion increased or decreased? Has rape, incest, homosexuality, fornication (sex outside of marriage), adultery, prostitution, and pornography increased or decreased? Has child abuse increased or decreased? Has respect for authority increased or decreased? Has drunkenness and drug abuse increased or decreased? Has greed increased or decreased? People who are envious of what others have, is it more now or less? Does a person's word in a business deal mean more now or less? Do men fight or brawl with one another more now or less. Do people in their culture hate the God of the Bible more now or less?

    Answer the questions. Show me the statistics. Give the rate of increase or decrease over each decade from the 40's to the present time. Prove to me their society when compared to itself is not under the judgment of God.

    Deteriation you will find. However, is the deteriation increasing significantly from decade to decade or has it remained relatively the same? If it is increasing at a significat rate then the judgment of God is upon that nation. If it is relatively the same, then God has not turned the nation over to a reprobate mind to do all forms of ungodliness.

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:25 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    star2 asked agentorange "What is your problem with Christianity?"

    Could I answer that please?

    The problem isn't Christianity. The problem is the minority of Christians who give all Christians a bad reputation.

    Religious displays, the Ten Commandments, and show-off praying can be on private property or in churches, or if you want everyone to laugh at you, you can stand on a street corner and pray out loud all you want.

    The problem is when Christians try to force their strange religion into government schools or government property which belong to everyone, not just Christians. These same Christians would scream if Muslims or Jews tried to do the same thing. The Federal Courts don't allow it because of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. The non-Christians don't like it because they pay taxes like everyone else and they don't want somebody else's religion imposed on them.

    Fortunately there are some Christians who understand the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment is in everyone's best interest, including Christians.

    It's the Christians who don't respect the Establishment Clause who are the problem. If they had any moral values at all, they would respect non-Christians and stop wasting taxpayer money fighting these battles they always lose anyway.

    I have to wonder if these immoral Christians who want to have show-off praying in public schools, and their religious displays on government property, are doing this because their faith is weak. Also, would the Christian God be impressed by show-off praying or would He be more impressed by people who pray in their closet?

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    agentorange

    What is your problem with Christianity?

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:19 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    May God help you.

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:57 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "The Ten Commandments are used in our society as a moral compass. Nothing more and nothing less."

    I am sorry Star2, but this is the most foolish reasoning to have them on govt public grounds.

    Of the 10 commandments, we as a country only sanction 2 of them as laws. So it hardly makes sense to have them all up there on that alone. If we do put them up there for a moral compass, then we should equally enforce not only those 10 laws, but the other 100 Moses passed down. And additionally we should also follow them up with their OT punishments, which means we have a lot of killing to do.

    To do anything less would be a hypocritical act of mere symbolism. I have already shown how many other non christian or christian minority countires fair against us, what more do you want?

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:13 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    star2: "The Ten Commandments are used in our society as a moral compass."

    They are used by Christians as a moral compass. Do you think all of society is Christian? I use my common sense to determine my moral compass. I don't need commandments from your imaginary friend. I am able to think for myself, and I think some Christians are very disrespectful of minority religions and the non-religious. Not respecting minorities is extremely immoral, so I would say some Christians need to work on their moral compass. Fortunately there are Christians who have the decency to not force their religion on everyone else.

  • Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:37 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    agentorange

    The Ten Commandments are used in our society as a moral compass. Nothing more and nothing less.

  • Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:46 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Star2,

    "agentorange, Truth stands regardless of what you think about it. "

    Truth....what truth? the truth that you would enforce the punisments of the 10 commandments and the rest of the laws and punishments as the OTcommands?

    you likely wouldn't like the punishments that follow those laws though, so you'd be a hypocryte and the appearance of such commandments would also therefore hypocritical.

    or the truth that I exposed your tired book for what it is - reigous prooganda. who else would even consider such a mindset when considering how better off many other non christian or minority christian countries are in comparison to us.

  • Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:42 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "witches (sorry Wiccans)"

    No need for apology, agentorange. "Witches" as defined in the Bible do not define the practitioners of Wicca today.

    You have some very good points relating to not being selective when it comes to the 10 Commandments, etc.

    mcfbc, the "good old days" had plenty of immorality, violence etc - it was just hidden or whitewashed so the average American didn't have to see or acknowledge it.

  • Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:08 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I guess it all comes down to whose moral judgments you want to use. I'm sure if you ask an African-American, Christian or not, if he would rather live today or in the times just before we lost prayer in school, I have a feeling he wouldn't be for living in the good old days.

    I don't think we are any more or less moral, we have just exchanges sins.

  • Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:32 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    I do not support prayer in schools. I do not support the ten commandments on public property.

    It is your religion. Keep it in your church and home, and out of the public square.

  • Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:58 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    agentorange

    God loves you.

  • Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:42 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    "A majority of Americans believe religious displays, prayers at school and the Ten Commandments display in a court building should be legal in the United States, a new study showed."

    A majority of Americans need to understand the establishment clause in the First Amendment.

    I suggest pray in private all you want, put up religious displays on your private property, but respect our wall of separation between church and state. If there is a god, I don't think it would be impressed by show off praying. The Bible says something about praying in a closet.

  • Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:18 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    agentorange

    Truth stands regardless of what you think about it.

  • Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:25 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    From article-

    "Moreover, 87 percent of conservatives believe it should be legal to display the Ten Commandments in a court building but only 60 percent of liberals agree"

    This is why I don't understand conservatives, namely Christians in this regard. They emphatically want the 10 commandments in and on govt public grounds, when only 2 of the Commandments we even sanction as laws under our system of justice. Theft and murder. The other 8 aren't laws and thank god (pun intended) they're not.

    If they really want to post the laws of the 10 Commandments on such grounds, then they better damn well also realize to follow them up with the OT punishments that also involve such laws. To do otherwise wouldn't be following the Commandments truly and putting them on display would be most hypocritical and disobeying gods laws or in the least only following them partially, which is also a sin.

    Working on the sabbth - death. Dishonnor or cursing your parents - death. Coveting - death. Worshiping other gods - death. Making Idols - death. Blasphemy - death again. Adultery - death.
    Murder- death. Theft - death again. Get the picture conservatives? If we do post such laws and REALLY uphold them, we might as well go back to how middle England operated by burning heratics.

    Siince they want to post those, they should also naturally observe all the other commandments that Moses passed down and their punishments Like how to deal with wizards (sorry David Blane), witches (sorry Wiccans), gays, rape, anyone who temps you to follow another faith and the like. As you might have guessed, their punishement according to OT law is - DEATH.

    We should also recognize all the atonements for sins that invariable happen, like child birth an offering up a sacrificial lamb for a burnt offering, 2 turtle doves or whatever is on the menu to fry that week.

    We should also tell our armed forces that when in battle they should save the virgin women and little girls for themselves just like Moses commanded.

  • Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:57 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    star2 ,

    "Read Romans 1:21-32. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or genius to see that our society has deteriated significantly from the early 60's. "

    I've read it in my ESV and KJV, but my point is that other countries that aren't Christian (refer back to my list in earlier post), or less Christian aren't nearly as worse off as us in terms of other indicates like crime index, poverty rate, infant mortality rate, level of health care and education, etc.

    1) Other non-christian countries are doing better than us in many if not all index's so it shows right there that verse and the others point to be utter nonsense. If your god is going to smite anyone or any particular country he should logically be smitting those others that are less christian first- duh! But we don't see this, so obviously it's wrong.

    Major FAIL.

    "Violent Crime: number of cases per 100,000 people

    From 1957 to 1962 : 127 to 138
    From 1963 to 1986: 177 to 556 "

    Hello, like I said you have to include DATA BEFORE AND AFTER these DATES to show how much it's changed to argue for your point. If DATA BEFORE or AFTER negates your arguement (which it does) then the arguement is dead before it began.

    If you didn't know, nationally the violent crime index went down following the early 1990's and kept going down and have leveled off since. Also, the number of abortions under the Clinton adminstration years while the ecnomy was better was slightly down compared with earlier and later years. This is why I said it's critical to report periods BEFORE AND AFTER those periods that you selected for an objective overview to substantiate your thesis argument.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

    You'd also be interested to know that the majority of violent crimes are commited by a minority population of blacks,(12% nationally) so clearly this is more closely related to economics, poverty level and equal distribution of wealth rather than some god smitting people.

    Clearly you ignored this and so did the person who authored that book, he was more interested in selling propganda, so go figure.

  • Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:12 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    agentorange

    Read Romans 1:21-32. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or genius to see that our society has deteriated significantly from the early 60's. I grew up in the 50's and 60's and I can attest to this fact.

    The information I gave came from David Barton's book, "America: To Pray Or Not To Pray". His book well documents with gov stat that the USA went into a significant decline after school prayer was banned by the US Supreme Court. The book is out of print but you can purchase a used book from as low as $0.01 from amazon.com. Here is the link should you be interested:

    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/104-4718028-1634356?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=America%3ATo+Pray+or+Not+To+Pray

    Also, citsonga only wanted an example. To give the kind of statistics that would better reflect my position, here it is:

    Violent Crime: number of cases per 100,000 people

    From 1957 to 1962 : 127 to 138
    From 1963 to 1986: 177 to 556

  • Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Star2,

    I can relate to your tiredness. =) I just think you overlooked that raw stats can be a bit misleading and that in the abstract your quote from scripture doesn't logically make sense. That is no to say that more people aren't having un-wed children, they no doubt are. But to give your arguement weight you should have included all areas that are not christian and times before and after the dates listed which negate your point and then attempt to reason from there why it isn't so.

    maranatha7593,

    I don't know what you're talking about b/c there is no place in any constitutional documents that refer to a particular religious doctrine. They never mention christ, jesus, yaweh, or anything biblical. the founders if anything refered to god in terms only a Deist would use. this makes sense as many of them were Deists after all.

    The main reason why Iraq's govt. can't get their stuff together is both Islamic sects want their versions of religious doctrine inserted into their constitution. They wont do a seperation of church and state as we have and it shows what harm is causes. It is clear now, that our founders were way aheaod their time in preventing such theocracy.

  • Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:02 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    agentorange

    You are correct in what you are said to me about the statistics. My mind was very tired and numb after spending about 11 or 12 hrs straight on CP Fri evening to Sat morning and I didn't want to spend much time on it. Even though I was exhausted I decided to make some kind of effort to answer citsonga's request because I had promised him/her. Later I'll try to give better statistics.

  • Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:37 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Yeah maranatha7593 right , I guess what the US needs is a theocracy.............LOL
    Perhaps modeled along the lines of Saudi Arabia's theocratic police state, but with a Christian twist. We can go back to the time of the Puritans where folks were forced to worship with an approved dogma. Perhaps we should close all university science programs and replace them with religious studies and impose mandated church attendance. That would be a great leap forward and solve all the problems of the USA. God would be very, very pleased with this. God likes nothing more than to be worshipped by the earthly human masses....LOL

  • Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:08 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    citsonga, you are not in agreement with the Founding Fathers of this country, the men who wrote the founding documents.

  • Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:05 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "Was God angry at the US when 650,000 people were killed during the US civil war?"

    One could posit that He was not pleased with slavery. Neither side, North or South, was innocent of slavery, as the factories in the North profitted from the slave labor / cotton crop in the South.

    I remember seeing a Navy Lieutenant (I think Clebe McClary was the correct name) on TV a few years ago. He was shot down in Vietnam early into that conflict and was not released until 1975 - almost 15 years. During that time he entered into a whole new fellowship with the Lord which he had not experienced before. Upon his return home, he was shocked to see the deterioration which had taken place in American culture while he was gone. He researched to learn why that process of devolving had taken place. I thought it was very noteworthy that after the Supreme Court decisions in the mid-'60s removing Bible reading and prayer from schools, the tide in 'Nam turned against the U.S. One may choose to scoff at this, but he had the facts on a time line. It was sadly enlightening indeed.

  • Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Star2,

    What you should have looked for is a crime index figure, or crime rate figure as in 'X' type of Crime, rape for instance, and then this figure across a population figure like 100,000 people. You could use this same type of indexing for a % of those wed as opposed to raw numbers.
    A crime index/rate is a more accurate depiction of total crime over a given period of time as it gives a crime per capita (or per person) account instead of misleading raw numbers. (IE 1 per 100,000 people.) This is important b/c a country's population general rises and so naturally certain stats will coincide and rise accordingly. This is an obvious as one would assume as a population rises so will the number of occurrences of whatever you’re tracking, this you overlooked.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_rate

    It’s funny how the stats you gave only began in 1950 and ran only to 1982. What you should have done is also included from dates prior to 1950 and beyond 1982 to current to see how the stats line up and according to an index as mentioned earlier if they have risen or dropped dramatically and how they back your thesis .

    “God said in Romans 1:21-31 that He will turn a nation over to a reprobate mind to do all kinds of unrighteousness if they do not retain God in their knowledge. This is certaintly what He has done”

    Since you’re so fond of quoting scripture to back up your claims, explain why other countries that aren’t Christian are doing better than us in many, if not all of the qualities of life index for developed nations? Why are Japan, Singapore, South Korea so well off better than us in such stats? They’re not in the least Christian. This makes no logical sense according to your verse. Why are most western European Countries, if not most of Europe as a whole ahead of us in infant mortality rates, crime index’s, education, health and other index factors? They are far less Christian than USA, plus have growing Atheist, Muslim and Hindu minority populations, so logically shouldn’t your god be smiting them first?

    Speaking of Atheism. Japan , Sweden, Denmark, and other countries actually are majority Atheist countries. And yet, they are outdoing us in terms of overall index’s. This verse is obvious nonsense.

    www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

  • Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    star2,

    I noticed you ignored the 650,000 Americnas killed during civil war (this was before the 1962 supreme court ruling). guess it didn't fit your thesis well.

    There has always been crime and terrorism and there always will be.

    I would think that the creator of the universe would have more to think about than whether a country has prayer in school.

    Another thing, children can still pray at school, as many do. But its done in silence as it should be.

    If the creator were to be unhappy with the US, it would probably have more to do with its use of its military war machine to invade countries such as Afghanistan, Vietnam and Iraq which led to the deaths of millions.

    Before 1962, blacks were lynched in America. Wouldn't the creator be displeased with that?


    It seems though most Americans have prospered and have done quite well since 1962.

  • Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:28 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    In 1962 the US Supreme Court ruled 8 to 1 ito deny school children their 1st Amendment right to pray in school.

    This was prayer that children were permited to pray voluntarily every morning before they started their studies:

    "Almighty God, we acknoledge our dependence upon Thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers, and our Country."

    Below are statistics in two areas that show what our society was like before the voluntary school pray was banned and after it was banned.

    Statistics taken from the Dept of Commerce Census Bureau:

    Unmarried Couples (Fornication):

    From 1950 to 1962 the number of unmarried couples was 439,000
    From 1962 to 1986 the number of unmarried couples went from 439,000 to 1,983,000

    Violent Crimes:

    From 1951 to 1962 the number of viloent crimes went from 168,000 to 255,000
    From 1962 to 1986 the number of violent crimes went from 255,000 to 1,327,000

    From these statistics we can see that our country was better off (blessed, if you will) before 1962 and worse off afterwards.

    God said in Romans 1:21-31 that He will turn a nation over to a reprobate mind to do all kinds of unrighteousness if they do not retain God in their knowledge. This is certaintly what He has done.

  • Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:46 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "star2

    Was God angry at the US when 650,000 people were killed during the US civil war? The average American back then was more Godly (never mind the slaughter of the war), seems like that contradicts your argument.

  • Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:22 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    citsonga

    "star2 "God surely has been true to His Word aabout what He will do to any one who decides not to retain god in their knowledge"

    Suppose you cite an example.


    Statistics taken from the Dept of Commerce Cencus Bureau:

    Unmarried Couples (Fornication): From 1962 to 1986 the number of unmarried couples has risen from 439,000 to 1,983,000

    Violent Crimes: From 1962 to 1986 the number of violent crimes has risen from 255,000 to 1,327,000

  • Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    citsonga

    "star2 "God surely has been true to His Word aabout what He will do to any one who decides not to retain god in their knowledge"

    Suppose you cite an example.

    I will answer tomorrow. Right now I am engaged in a dialogue on another post and it is not a good time to leave it.

  • Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:49 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    star2 "God surely has been true to His Word aabout what He will do to any one who decides not to retain god in their knowledge"

    Suppose you cite an example.

  • Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:47 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    As an agnostic and a member of the ACLU, I fight to keep religion out of our public institutuions everyday.. Religion is a very personal choice. Leave it at home and church, not public schools, courts or the government.

  • Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:59 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    You are right A s Mathew. David barton wrote a book titled, "America: To Pray or Not to Pray"

    In this book he showed how this country went down a steep slope in every area of life right after the US Supreme Court ruled that voluntary prayer in the schools was unconstitutional. It is a great book to read.

    God surely has been true to His Word aabout what He will do to any one who decides not to retain god in their knowledge. (Romans 1:1-32)

  • Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:44 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    America's moral strength began to get weak right after prayer was taken from the schools.
    Whether it is a Christian or Hindu, prayer, Bible reading, and the ten commandments can have
    a great impact upon the students right from the very beginning of their character moulding.
    Had we kept prayer and Bible reading in school, we could have avoided guns and murder and
    police officials from schools. See the writing on the wall, it is high time to turn back to God.

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