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Mars Hill Tackles Sex, Rape, Birth Control the Biblical Way

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Mon, Jan. 14 2008 09:25 AM ET
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"Do you believe that abortion as a result of rape is wrong?" one worship service attendant at Mars Hill Church in Seattle posed to the pastor.

It's one of many controversial and long-debated questions being asked at the growing church that draws a large twenty-something crowd every week. Pastor Mark Driscoll has opened up the pulpit to a daring "Ask Anything" session, giving unscripted answers to questions not typically addressed in the church.

And the content being addressed over the course of nine weeks has been divided into two categories: offensive and really offensive.

Questions are being asked only during the Sunday evening service - the last of five services at Mars Hill when no children and virtually no families are present and attendance is mainly made up of singles, young adults and non-Christians.

Part of an experiment launched on Jan. 6, "Ask Anything" allows worship attendants to text message any questions they have for the pastor - during the course of the live preaching - on the subjects of the sermon. Those questions are then answered on the spot following Driscoll's preaching. There's no forewarning or preparation. If the experiment "serves us well," the question and answer session may be expanded to all services.

Regarding the question of whether abortion as a result of rape is wrong, Driscoll answered, "Yes."

"And I say this as a man who knows that roughly one third of the women in the church have been raped or sexually abused. I tell you this as a man who has counseled a long list of rape victims," Driscoll continued.

While acknowledging the ethical dilemma the raped woman has on her hands, Driscoll said, "But as a general rule, I would say a life is a life and though the woman is a victim, let's not make the child a victim as well."

The result of one woman's pregnancy caused by rape - a Mars Hill Church pastor, he said.

"So what I would say is, it is horrible, but God is good," he said to a silent crowd. "And I tend to err on the side of giving Him the opportunity to use what was intended for evil and to use it for good and the saving of many lives."

Driscoll, a prominent emerging church pastor whose theology is conservative, encouraged any woman facing this dilemma to seek prayer, comfort and counsel from him that very night.

The question followed a sermon on sex, birth control and abortion. It was the first in Mars Hill's "Religion Saves and 9 Other Misconceptions" sermon series. The series is a response to nine top questions Mars Hill attendants voted for to be preached on this year. Question No. 9 is: “There’s no doubt the Bible says children are a blessing, but the Bible doesn’t seem to address the specific topic of birth control. Is this a black and white topic, or does it fall under liberties?”

After listing Bible verses to explain the biblical teaching on creation, sexuality and children, Driscoll denounced legalistic and judgmental views from Christians who say anything that hinders procreation is demonic. God didn't create sex only for procreation but also for pleasure, comfort and protection within marriage, he stressed.

No birth control, natural birth control such as the calendar-rhythm method, and non-abortive birth control such as condoms are "fine for Christians," said Driscoll to a curious crowd while making it clear that sex should only occur within marriage.

However, he expressed opposition to the use of "the pill" and abortion. While research has been ongoing on whether or not the birth control pill is abortive, no conclusion has been found and Christians remain divided on the issue.

Driscoll did not go as far as calling the use of the pill "a sin," but said it is "a little more risky and a little less clear."

Abortion, however, "is a sin," he said plainly, speaking of abortion in its majority sense and not for minority cases such as a mother's life at stake.

A former pro-choice advocate, Driscoll advised the worship attendants not to argue with him on the issue but to turn to Jesus.

"I was pro-abortion," he said, "and then I met Jesus."

In the latest of his "Misconception" sermon series, Driscoll addressed question No. 8: "Why do you make jokes about Mormon missionaries, homosexuals, trenchcoats wearers, single men, vegans, emo kids and then expect these groups to come to know God in the same sermon?"

His third sermon on Jan. 20 will address: "Why does an all loving, all knowing, and all sovereign God will into creation people He foreknows will suffer eternal condemnation? Why does Romans 9:20 feel like a cop-out answer?"

Driscoll's sermons are broadcasted live to thousands at five other Mars Hill Church campuses.

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JLF
  • Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:58 pm
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Anthony
Jokes at someone else's expense are not funny. They contain an underlying theme of intolerance. It makes no difference who makes them. Self deprecating humor may be OK as long as the teller is the only victim. But our country and culture has decided that somethings are out of bounds. Tolerance should be preached from the pulpit. If it isn't then it does not serve God's purposes of bringing people together. If it divides us then it serves Satan's interest.
amendoza
  • Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:17 pm
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'That is why you see the leadership in such denominations demonizing others where numbers are increasing or the negative atmosphere is less palpabale."
You do realize that Mars Hill is one of the fastest growing churches in the country?

"Often this need is based on a belief of their own inferiority. They ridicule weaker people in order to make themselves feel better about who they are." Or, they could just be making a joke. Why would the pastor of one of the fastest growing churches in America feel weaker. He is in the most unchurched city in america and they cannot seem to have enough room for all the people even with 9 locations.

Have any of actually listened to the sermon? Pastor Driscoll points out that the bible is full of comedy. Instead of attacking Pastor Driscoll about a sermon you havent even taken the time to listen to, how bout you acculy do something productive.

There is nothing wrong with a little light hearted comedy.

Rand503,
"I like jokes, and I certainly have no problem with jokes at my expense, but why would any church make jokes at the expense of : Mormon missionaries, homosexuals, trenchcoats wearers, single men, vegans, emo kids?

Does that mean that real Christians can't be vegans? "

listen to the sermon, he answers all those questions.

God bless,
Anthony
www.anthonymendoza.org
JLF
  • Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:04 pm
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Rand503
People make fun of and deride those they feel are weaker than they are. Often this need is based on a belief of their own inferiority. They ridicule weaker people in order to make themselves feel better about who they are. This belief often is instilled in them at home and confirmed in church. But, this may be changing as Americans and others around the world become educated and understand more about each other. Keep in mid however, his mindset is often the impetus for declining numbers in many Christian denominations. That is why you see the leadership in such denominations demonizing others where numbers are increasing or the negative atmosphere is less palpabale. If you are attending a church where Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christian Scientists or others are berated and derided from the pulpit or other official church organs such as newspapers or websites, you may want to look elsewhere.
Rand503
  • Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:03 am
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I like jokes, and I certainly have no problem with jokes at my expense, but why would any church make jokes at the expense of : Mormon missionaries, homosexuals, trenchcoats wearers, single men, vegans, emo kids?

Does that mean that real Christians can't be vegans?
JLF
  • Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:00 pm
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amendoza
God was not alone. Christ was there as were others. But I suggest the question does not revolve around whether there were others but who and what they were. There is nothing in the NT to suggest these beings were a God described like the Trinitarians say He is. In fact the NT is quite specific that God the Father, Christ and the Holy Ghost are separate beings.
amendoza
  • Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:13 pm
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JLF,
I will research it but how do you explain in Genisis before the creation of man where God says: "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness,..."(Genesis 1: 26)?
JLF
  • Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:08 pm
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amendoza
The Trinitarian view of God is a man made creation which was adopted in the fourth and fifth centuries AD. It was heavily influenced by the ancient Greek philosophers. It can't be substantiated in the New Testament according to Harper's Bible Dictionary. This idea of a three-in-one God was not taught or believed by the original Christians. If we believed the Trinitarians, Christ, the Apostles, and the membership of Christ's original church could not be called Christian. It wasn't until Constantine, the Roman Emperor who murdered his family, called together the Councils at Nicaea that these and other non-biblical ideas began to be discussed and then codified in the canon of the dominant religious authority. Historic Christianity has continued to promulgate it. But it is not biblical. It is a tradition.
The Trinitarian view is, in fact, an element of the apostasy. The apostles warned of the influences corrupting the primitive church at the time. Paul said, "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." (Colossians 2:8) He was speaking of Greek philosophy, the same that influenced the Trinitarian view. You might want to research that a bit.
amendoza
  • Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:32 pm
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JLF,
I am sorry, I must have misunderstood the question. Like I said, all you have to do is repent and trust in Christ. In order to do that however, you have to believe in and trust the real Jesus Christ. He is fully God, fully man. He is Divne therfore not created by God and therfore not the brother of Satan (not a slam my friend, just stating a fact).

If you say you believe in Jesus than state that He is something different than what the Bible you are breaking a comandment by creating a false Idol. Hope I answered your question this time.

God bless,
Anthony
www.anthonymendoza.org
JLF
  • Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:16 am
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amendoza
I am sure what you said is heartfelt. I appreciate it. But you have not addressed the issues. What I wanted was for you to address Trinitarianism given Evangelicals say that is why, given we reject that notion, Mormons are not Christian.But, using your piece as the test, Mormons believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. He is our Saviour. We believe that through Christ's atonement, people can be changed or born again. So if all we have to do is believe in Christ to be saved why aren't we Christian?
amendoza
  • Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:26 am
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JLF,

thank you for responding to my post in a level headed manner, as I was not expecting that at all. for your question "- what does one have to believe in order to qualify for salvation?" you don't have to do anything to be saved. now let me explain: Christ died on the cross to pay for our sins and took all our sin (past, present, and future). By ourselves we are evil wicked people and cannot receive salvation. this is the point where most would say you have to accept Christ into your heart and say the "sinners prayer" but this is not true. Christ doesn't need your acceptance, you need his. he payed the price now all you have to do is receive it. What you do is simple: you trust in Jesus and pray for repentance (a turning away from sin). You do not have to say any special words. Pray for forgiveness and a change of heart. If you are truly saved, your whole outlook on life and sin will change. You will not want to sin because you know Christ hates sin and therefore so do you.

I really hope I explained it well as I am not the best with words but that is my belief in what is needed for salvation

God bless,
Anthony
www/anthonymendoza.org
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