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Gay Therapy Framework to be Reviewed

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

Authors of a new therapy paradigm, aimed at helping people resolve conflicts between their religious beliefs and homosexual desire, are encouraging public and professional comments for possible revision.

The Sexual Identity Therapy Framework, which was released last April, will be reviewed this year in acknowledgment of continual changes that are occurring in the area of therapy for individuals experiencing same-sex attractions.

"We believe this area of counseling practice is changing rapidly and we want to be sensitive to how therapists and consumers of sexual identity therapy feel the framework helps or hinders excellent practice," said Dr. Warren Throckmorton, co-author of the framework. "We want to hear from professionals and consumers alike."

Throckmorton and co-author Mark Yarhouse are collecting comments on the framework they crafted over the next two months.

The framework was proposed last year as a means to help counselors work with clients struggling with homosexual desires and who want to align their values and religious faith with their lifestyle. It is designed as a general map to help clinicians work collaboratively with their clients to ultimately arrive at a place of congruence.

There are no other means of sexual orientation assessment that has found wide acceptance, according to the two authors. They have stressed that their recommendations "are not sexual reorientation therapy protocols in disguise."

The so-called reparative therapy, or sexual orientation therapy, remains a heated debate between gay rights activists who oppose such counseling and religious groups who argue that counseling should be offered to those who want to rid their same-sex desires.

Drs. Throckmorton and Yarhouse are anticipating a review by the American Psychological Association (APA) which is currently re-examining its 10-year-old policy on appropriate therapy for gay and lesbian people. The APA is expected to adopt a new policy statement on counseling for homosexuals mid this year.

A task force was appointed last year to review the old APA policy after years of pressure from homosexual groups that say the promotion of gay therapy is harmful.

As gay rights activists are hoping for a revised policy – banning attempts to change sexual orientation – in their favor, religious groups have expressed concern that the APA task force may not recognize persons who have religious commitments and unwanted same-sex attraction.

More than 250 religious leaders from various denominations and organizations as well as individual professionals signed a letter last year calling the task force to respect religious diversity.

"There are folks who struggle with same-sex attraction who, because of their religious beliefs, do not find living homosexually to be acceptable to them," said Carrie Gordon Earll, senior director of issue analysis at Focus on the Family Action, according to the ministry's Citizenlink publication. "They should have a right to have access to therapy, to therapists who can help them live out the fact that change is possible."

The Sexual Identity Therapy Framework has been commended as a work that transcends polarized debates about whether gays can change their sexual orientation, noted Robert L. Spitzer, professor of Psychiatry at Columbia University.

“This framework helps therapists work with clients to craft solutions tailored to their individual situations and personal beliefs and values," Spitzer has commented. "I support this framework and hope it is widely implemented."

On the Web: The Sexual Identity Therapy Framework can be reviewed at www.sexualidentity.blogspot.com.

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  • Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:13 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "The Bible wasn't written by God nor was it written by Jesus. The bible was written by men. It has it's strengths and it's discrepancies. You should take in with a grain of salt. In addition, there are thousands of ways to interpret the bible. "

    There arn't thousands of ways to interpret the bible, there are only 1000's of different people who say it is there way or the highway, the problem is 99.9% don't look to christ rather they look to themselves. The bible itself was written by man inspired by the holy spirt...

  • Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    The Bible wasn't written by God nor was it written by Jesus. The bible was written by men. It has it's strengths and it's discrepancies. You should take in with a grain of salt. In addition, there are thousands of ways to interpret the bible.

  • Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:44 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Cross-Bearing by AW Pink

    “Then said Jesus unto His disciples, if any man will”—the word “will” here means “desire to” just as in that verse, “If any will live godly.” It signifies “determine to.” “If any man will or desires to come after Me, (not a cross, but his cross) and follow me.” Then in Luke 14:27 Christ declared, “And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after Me, cannot be My disciple.” So it is not optional. The Christian life is far more than subscribing to a system of truth or adopting a code of conduct, or of submitting to religious ordinances. Preeminently the Christian life is a person; experience of fellowship with the Lord Jesus, and just in proportion as your life is lived in communion with Christ, to that extent are you living the Christian life, and to that extent only.

    You can read the entire sermon here
    http://www.gospel.com/topics/cross+bearing

    Yashua said "let him deny himself", homosexuals don't seem to want to even acknowledge this. We all have ourselves to deny no one is perfect, but we must try.
    Therapy is offered for many vices why not this as well?

  • Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:08 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 2

    Rand,

    The problem with your logic is that Christians are not "diseased" at least not physically and sexually by their faith. Statistics do not support your accusations, but statistics do support that the gay lifestyle is very dangerous for one's health, and is often (though not always) related to other mental disorders. If I were coming to a pedophile, then I would not accept their actions and way of life out of love, rather I would tell them why it is wrong, and why they should change. Yes many Christians are hypocritical, but not the ones that actually follow the faith.

    Also, homosexuality is not the only sin that deserves death, all sins do. But the Christian is forgiven and so has no right to exact the punishment from a Christian perspective (perhaps from a social perspective, but not from his religious beliefs).

  • Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:26 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (New King James Version)

    9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

    Footnotes:

    a. 1 Corinthians 6:9 That is, catamites


    continued:

    1 Kings 14:24

    24 There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land; the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites.


    Leviticus 18:22
    22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

    The leviticus passage really leaves no room for interpretation does it?


    continued:

    A proverbial term of reproach applied to those who practiced sodomy (ritual homosexuality) (Deuteronomy 23:17; 1 Kings 14:24;15:12;22:46; 2 Kings 23:7; Job)
    And is applied to males (Deuteronomy 23:17)
    Destroyed by fire as a judgement (Genesis 19:24,25)
    Wickedness of (Genesis 19:4-14)
    The word "harlot" ("shrine prostitute" (N. I. V.)) appears in (Genesis 38:21,22)
    And is the translation of a Hebrew feminine form of the word translated elsewhere "sodomite" (Hosea 4:14)
    To be judged according to opportunity (Matthew 11:24; Luke 10:12)
    See SODOMY"

  • Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:25 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    The Bible nowhere exhorts us to be complacent in our Christianity; nor does it exhort us to accept Christ in a prayer one day, and then just live to please the flesh, and then rationalize like the gnostics did in the first century church - "after all, there is the love and grace of God; He understands, I can sin today, and just ask for foirgiveness tomorrow." This is illogical, and contrary to the Word of God. Some on this site, because of whatever reason have chosen to be more flax on homosexuality, and have gone as far as to say they are not sure it is a sin. Well, biblically speaking it is a sin, and if God says it's sin, who am I to say otherwise? My problem with some on this site is that they try to rationalize (water down) sin, or they misinterpret the Bible to adapt to a personal sin, or someone they love who is dealing with something that is a sin, so what do they do? rather than admitting that the sin is sin, and just confessing it to God as sin, and asking God to remove the "fleshly lust" or watever other sin from their lives, they refuse to acknowledge it as sin, and further, will mock, or antagonize those of us who rather follow the whole counsel of God.

    We are commanded to love (NOT TOLERATE) homosexuals, as well as adulterers, fornicators, liars, etc; we are called to love all our enemies, but we are called to hate sin. Therefore, let the truth be told in love, but nevertheless, the truth must be proclaimed- we love the sinner, but cannot condone the sin. we cannot and should not as born again believers water down sin. This is the problem with the modern day church - they water down Scripture to suit the itching ears of those who are listening rather than just teach the Word of God and let the Holy Spirit convict their hearts unto repentance and following Christ out of a pure heart.

  • Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:25 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    I must say again the Bible is the absolute truth of God. If everything else in this confused and twisted world doesn't make sense, then that is why we have the Bible. The Bible teaches us that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Therefore, the fornicator, the adulterer, the thief, the pedophile, the pornographer, the bisexual, transsexual, homosexual, liar, etc all have sinned. We all need a Savior, and it doesn't matter the sin, all it takes is one sin to be separated from God. This is why we must all come to repentance; whatever the vice is. We all suffer from one common thing, and that is a fallen sinful nature. I have never said that homosexuality is the unforgivable sin; however, I have always said that just like the adulterer, the homosexual needs to acknowledge that his/her desires are contrary to the natural uses God made us humans to be, and come to grips with his/her fleshly desire that is contrary to God, and repent if he/she wants to be born again. You cannot be born again and be openly practicing the homosexual lifestyle, because it would contradict the new life that we have in Christ. Please don't misinterpret me, this is not to mean that a person who has come out of that lifestyle who just gave their life to Christ will not struggle with this sin, but if they are born again, they will willfully acknowledge their temptations, their weaknesses, and their struggles, and go back to God with them, confess them to Him, and ask Him to grant more Grace for them to turn their backs on the sin, and to pick up their crosses daily and follow Christ.

  • Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:18 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Rand503 said >> First, it clearly says that these are people worthy of death. So if you take the Bible literally, then you must agree that the death penalty is needed for all gays. <<

    I said >> If you notice, God does not make distinctions between gay and straight. Even Romans only slightly alludes to it. Every place in Scripture (both Testament compilations) where these acts are described as sinful, it's almost always lumped together with other impure acts that even straight people commit. <<

    So, Rand ... We all deserve death. That's why we are doomed without Jesus. So no, I don't think any man-made punishment is in order. Christ will be our Judge; yours and mine. Spiritual death (damnation) is probably something much worse than anything we could dream up on our own.

    >> So if you take the Bible literally, <<
    I take the literal parts literally and the figurative part figuratively.

    >> Of course people on this site hate gays <<
    The ones who don't agree with you.

    >> Not everyone, of course <<
    Those who do.

    >> What if I were to start saying how diseased Christians are, that they live a destructive lifestyle, that they are mentally ill, that they focus on regulating everyone sexual behavior, that they are hypocrites. <<

    Here, let me fix that.

    [What if I were to start saying how diseased (SOME) NOMINAL Christians are, that they live a destructive lifestyle, that they are mentally ill, that they focus on warning everyone, sometimes in a judgemental fashion, of the consequences of immoral sexual behavior, that they are hypocrites.]
    I'd agree with you. And some of us are not hypocrites (anymore) but people with learned regrets.

    >> 1Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself <<

    Scripture also states:
    John 5:22 - "Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,"
    NOT:
    John 5:22 - "Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to MuggleBorn,"

    I'm not judging you. I'm "pointing out" (*groan* what a repetative argument this is) that some of your actions are immoral ... very particular ones that I don't personnally commit but I know I'm not a saint.

    Hebrews 13:4 - "Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral."

    Hey, that one will definitely apply to me for things I've done before I was married.

  • Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:43 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    You know, Muggleborn, it's really strange that you would cite Romans in saying that homosexuality is a sin. First, it clearly says that these are people worthy of death. So if you take the Bible literally, then you must agree that the death penalty is needed for all gays. Second, everyone who has ever quoted Romans fails to quote this part in the second chapter: 1Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
    You, who judge gays therefore condemn yourselves, right?

  • Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:35 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    Of course people on this site hate gays. Not everyone, of course -- many do not. But I see repeatedly comments about how destructive the lifestyle is, how diseased, how gays focus on sex, not love, how everyone here is against homosexuality and doesn't want it 'promoted.'

    As a gay man, I take these things personally. What if I were to start saying how diseased Christians are, that they live a destructive lifestyle, that they are mentally ill, that they focus on regulating everyone sexual behavior, that they are hypocrites. Would you not take offense at that? I couldn't get away by saying, oh, but I only say that out of good Christian love for you, could I?

  • Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:17 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Chris333,
    To be fair, I was actually the one that pulled Westboro into the conversation. They've gotten so much media attention lately, I guess I overanticipated where the topics might lead. Sometimes my responses are a little preemptive. Sorry about the confusion :^|

    jesus4me,
    >> Was not the Apostle Paul commanded and exhorted to preach the Word of God by Jesus Christ HImself? <<
    That's a very good point. I'll need to re-read the Gospels and Acts with greater scrutiny. That will be helpful on more than one topic. Thanks and God bless.

  • Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:22 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    ifeelfine, you said to me one time that so many people on this site hate homosexuals, no one, not one said they hate homosexuals, even though you tried to egg it on by bringing westboro into this. It seems like you are trying to make Christians hate gays so that you can have an argument.

  • Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:06 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Just in case ifeelfine tries twisting what i say, i have added this side note:

    jesus4me said to ifeelfine:

    "The Word of God clearly condemns homosexuality as well as any sinful sexual contact that does not involve one man and one woman joined in holy matrimony. Sex is for the sole purpose of bringing pleasure, union and intimacy between ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN who are MARRIED. The marriage bed is undefiled for one man and one woman in holy matrimony. Stop trying to find loop holes in Scripture. Sin is Sin. Just cause you haven't come to grips with that reality and that absolute truth spoken by God and written by His Elect Apostles does not keep it from being a sin. "

    I forgot to mention and include sexual union between one man and one woman in holy matrimony is also a very important means of procreating the human race. God created it to be this way.

  • Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:58 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    ifeelfine said:

    "Jesus didn't say that homosexuality is a sin. Paul did. "


    Was not the Apostle Paul commanded and exhorted to preach the Word of God by Jesus Christ HImself ? Was he not stopped on the road to Damascus, and Jesus Christ Himself appeared to Him, and Paul had his conversion experience?

    What is your point ifeelfine? Does not the Apostle Paul have the authority to speak for Christ, just as John and Peter, and Mark, and Matthew, and Luke, etc? What is your point. You continue to refute the Word of God on every post that deals with homosexuality, only because you wish to relativize it for modern times.

    The Word of God clearly condemns homosexuality as well as any sinful sexual contact that does not involve one man and one woman joined in holy matrimony. Sex is for the sole purpose of bringing pleasure, union and intimacy between ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN who are MARRIED. The marriage bed is undefiled for one man and one woman in holy matrimony. Stop trying to find loop holes in Scripture. Sin is Sin. Just cause you haven't come to grips with that reality and that absolute truth spoken by God and written by His Elect Apostles does not keep it from being a sin.

    If you wish to follow your post modern error, you may, but the Truth of the Word will continue to be absolute, and you my friend have a choice to accept or reject it. We're living in the end times my frined, and please repent, so you are not drawn into the error and decption of the current age. We are called to be holy, just as God is holy. A person who once practiced homosexuality, or adultery, or bestiality, or fornication, or pornography, etc, can come to Christ and be made whole again in the sight of God. However, that person needs to be consciously willful in turning around, and repenting. God can restore them unto Himself, however, they must repent adn follow Christ as Lord and Savior of their lives. They can't continue to openly and blatantly live in that lifestyle and call themselves a Christian. It is an oxymoron and it does not work. Be not deceived. The Word of God clearly says that we are to be set apart for His (God's) good pleasure and service.

    I pray that God would remove the blinders from your eyes and that you would repent of your error ifeelfine, based on the Scriptures, you are being deceived by what your itching ears want to hear. Repent, and turn to Christ and His Word.

  • Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ifeelfine72: "Jesus didn't say that homosexuality is a sin. Paul did.”

    I think that most people would consider Christ’s death and resurrection an integral part of the Christian faith, wouldn’t you agree? Jesus didn’t say that you had to believe in His death and resurrection, so what does that prove?

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:41 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    iff - Jesus did not say incest was a sin. Paul did.

    So ... does that mean Jesus is okay with incest?

    Of course not. So ... why then didn't He mention it???

    1) Jesus was always speaking to Jews. The Jews already knew the moral law of God; they already had that solid foundation in their lives. They already knew that incest, bestiality, and homosexuality were aboiminations in the sight of God. They knew that all forms of immorality were sin.

    2) Paul, on the other hand, was sent to take the Gospel to Gentiles, not Jews. The Gentiles did not know the moral law of God, did not have that solid foundation in their lives. Therefore, Paul had to take the time to lay a solid foundation of God's Word as it relates to morals, he had to be very specific about what was right in God's sight and what was wrong.

    3) If you read past Gospels on throughout the rest of the New Testament, you'll see that none of the apostles ever once contradicted the teachings of Jesus. Everything they taught was consistent with what Jesus had taught, with what the Holy Spirit was teaching them.

    Don't forget: Jesus affirmed God's original plan for men and women in Matthew 19, and He made it clear that plan had not changed at all. He continually affiirmed God's moral law.

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:47 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    ifeelfine72,
    >> Jesus didn't say that homosexuality is a sin. Paul did. <<
    And what Paul said is the inspired Word of God. If you can't trust that, then why not just throw away the hearsay of the Gospels as well. Since our Lord didn't actually write the words down, Himself, they were written by fallible hands. Right?
    God meant for us to know His infinite wisdom, and provided a foundation of it through the Bible. If you can't trust one book, then what proof is there that any of them are infallible. I might as well just quit speaking the truth, because it's not the truth. Right?

    I read your posts, ifeelfine72. I usually think we're on the same page for a good many things, until you pull this stuff out of your backpack.

    >> MuggleBorn: How are you any different than the folks at Westboro Baptist Church? <<
    ifeelfine, how are you any different than someone who can't make a proper comparison?

    >> Don't try to say, "oh, we're not like them." <<
    "We're not like them."

    >> The Bible says homosexuality is an abomination according to you, right? <<
    Perversion, ifeelfine ... p&#601;r-vûr'zh&#601;n.
    >> according to you <<
    No ... Romans 1:27. You're attacking the messenger.

    >> Either it is or it isn't. <<
    It is. Look at it. It's right there. Take a look. Sorry to tell you that it is and it's there but... it is. And it's right there.

    >> If it is, then what is so bad about what Westboro Baptist does? <<
    They don't approach the situation with love or understanding. They're ready to "throw the first stone". I'm not. I won't. Nor the 2nd, or the 3rd, or the last stone. I'll riddle you with sarcasm, but I won't throw stones.

    What is your stance on this ifeelfine72? Are you for or against. Or are you actually indifferent to all of it and just get a rush from the controversy? :)

    >> Actually you probably agree with them <<
    THAT'S a loaded statement. What do I agree with them on, ifeelfine?
    That it's right to picket funerals of our national heroes? ... Uuuuh. NO.
    That it's okay to hold $%^$#&#$ signs, yelling "God hates *the other F-word* pluralized" ... Wrong again. You're bad at this, ifeelfine72.
    That Jet Li could take down Jean Claude Van Damme in a New York minute. Oh yeah! You bet ya!

    There are some things I would like to disagree with God on, ifeelfine72. When I do, I search for answers, and pray about it. This was one of those "inconvenient truths" that can't be ignored ... particularly in evangelizing.

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Jesus didn't say that homosexuality is a sin. Paul did.

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:28 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    iff, why are you falsely accusing MuggleBorn? S/he has already made it plain s/he doesn't believe in what Phelps and company do. Yet you are judging her falsely. When the adulterous woman was brought to Jesus (without her partner in adultery, which was contrary to Jewish law, BTW), Jesus did not condemn her. Her accusers were like Phelps and company, and Jesus saw that. BUT Jesus also did not condone her sin, did He? She was truly repentant for her sin, she did not argue with Jesus that she had not sinned, she did not excuse the adultery. Jesus forgave her sin and then told her, "Go and sin no more." Now, tell me: Did He condone her immorality? No. He never condoned any form of immorality.

    Why do you not see that Christians are to do as Jesus do? No, we don't condemn people - we tell them that Jesus is ready to forgive their sin and change their lives so that they are free to live in fellowship with Him, in obedience to Him. We also don't condone sin - we do not contradict what God has clearly stated about all immorality. If we did, we would be sinning against God and also teaching a false gospel which is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:03 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    MuggleBorn: How are you any different than the folks at Westboro Baptist Church? What just because they picket funerals of gay people, etc, is that a sin? Actually you probably agree with them, you might just not like their tactics. Don't try to say, "oh, we're not like them." Why not? The Bible says homosexuality is an abomination according to you, right? Either it is or it isn't. If it is, then what is so bad about what Westboro Baptist does?

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:02 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    xizwyck:

    I hear yeah... just a thought as some are able to live a life of celibacy while most cannot. I for one could not... one of the benefits of being married. Glad to hear that they are saved and are ministering to others.

    The ones I know, and others whom I am acquainted with, are now married and have children. When the Lord delivered them of that spirit, He healed them completely and now they are able to enjoy life abundantly as He intended. :-)

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:13 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    A little more on "loving thy neighbor" ...

    As for myself, and many other Christians who read CP, who you so readily call "homophobic", we are NOT the Westboro Baptists. They will have to answer to God, just like everyone else. They may not want to see you enter the Kingdom of Heaven, BUT I DO. And so do many other bigoted, lunatic right-wing funda-totally-mental-ist Christians.

    Please don't lump us in with those twisted mutants (that God loves too, and then so do I), but still ... they're twisted mutants.

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:54 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Romans 1:21 - "For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him" ...
    Romans 1:24 - "Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie,"
    Romans 1:26 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

    Notice the phrase, "abandoned natural relations with women", and the word, "perversion". I'm not sure how the context could be clearer. If we follow up with this ...

    James 2:8 - "If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," [Lev. 19:18] you are doing right."

    This is a passage that many gay Christians (yes, I'm acknowledging the designation; explanation below) like to focus on. So if I tell a prostitute that she should leave her line of work, and apply for those government education grants, are my intentions UNLOVING? If I prevent a friend from committing a vengeful act against someone who hurt them, because I know the consequences will be dire, are my intentions unloving? If I ask someone to turn away from drugs (although they sometimes claim it's what makes them happy), are my intentions unloving?

    Explanation (from above): I agree with SheQuon in the sense that gay believers have a sincere love for our Lord and Savior. But no matter how hard you try, you'll never be able to interpret Scriptural passages to be in favor of (or indifferent to) homosexual "acts". The reason I emphasize the "acts" is because I don't believe that just "being" homosexual is a sin, anymore than I believe having cancer is a sin.

    If you notice, God does not make distinctions between gay and straight. Even Romans only slightly alludes to it. Every place in Scripture (both Testament compilations) where these acts are described as sinful, it's almost always lumped together with other impure acts that even straight people commit. This makes me believe that homosexuality is more of a (emotional / psychological / spiritual?) "condition", which by its nature, leads to sin.

    I actually feel awful about this, and every time I post on this subject I get the same feeling that I would if I had to tell a whole bunch of children that all their puppies just died.

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:33 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    rand, I know people who used to be homosexuals. Then they were set free of that bondage by the Spirit of God and are now active in ministry to others who want to be free.

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:31 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

    Rand, you left out the main part of SheQuon's message which evidently provoked the 'thumbs down'. It is not about 'churches welcoming gays' (that's not a problem), it's about her unBiblical assertion that there is no disparity between the Christian life and a 'gay' lifestyle. It is a fact that the Christian life is not compatible with any form of immorality, whether it be fornication, adultery, homosexuality, or any other form. If Christians are to walk with the Lord, they must needs walk away from immorality.

  • Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:08 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    What's funny is that when SheQuon notes that there are several churches which welcome gays and have no need to change them, 5 people gave the post a thumbs down. Why? Are these people afraid that gay people might actually find a church that accepts them as they are? Or are they angry that there are churches there that don't interpret the bible as they do?
    Being gay isn't any more evil than any other part of life, but I guess when you don't understand something, you simply label it "Satan."

  • Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:58 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Unfortunately, there is no evidence that anyone can change their sexual orientation. There are some people who are gay and unhappy with the fact that they are gay. These people go through various forms of so-called reparative therapy, but the basic result is that they simply become celibate. The number of gay people who actually become heterosexual is virtually nil, and the few that claimed that they have relapsed into being gay all over again.
    Exodus is the largest reparative therapy organization, and they refuse to release their 'success' rate, and also state that most people do not become heteros.

  • Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:38 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Superbug linked to homosexual behavor:

    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59714

  • Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ge 1:27, 28 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them...

    Ge 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

    Ge 6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

    Mt 19:4, 5 ...Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

    Mk 10:6, 7 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;

  • Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:09 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 7

    You can be Christian and gay. There are churches all across the country which are positive and life-affirming, including (but not limited to) the United Church of Christ and the Metropolitan Community Church. Mainstream denonominations are becoming more accepting as well, albeit slowly when it comes to their hierarchies. The main thing is, we must get past the idea that Christian and gay lifestyles are mutually exclusive!

  • Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:10 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    I hear yeah... just a thought as some are able to live a life of celibacy while most cannot. I for one could not... one of the benefits of being married.

    Glad to hear that they are saved and are ministering to others.

  • Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:39 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 2

    xizwyck, I know people (both men and women) who used to be in the homosexual lifestyle, then received the Lord as their Savior, were forgiven and set free, and today they minister to others who want to be free, too. They have told me that the homosexual spirit is an evil spirit which is reflective of the spirit of Anti-Christ, for it strikes at the very core of what God created men and women to be.

  • Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:11 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 6

    I've often wondered that people who have homosexual desires originally had a gift of celibacy but that gift became twisted by Satan and thus these people have become deceived.

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