Updated 12:47 pm.EST, Sun November 22, 2009

World|Fri, Jan. 18 2008 08:08 AM EST

Christians Condemn Creation of Human-Animal Embryos

By Nathan Black|Christian Post Reporter

LONDON – Britain's fertility regulator gave the green light Thursday for the creation of human-animal hybrid embryos for research.

  • Protest over human-animal embryos
    (Photo: AP Images / PA, Andrew Parsons)
    Christian Concern for Our Nation protest to coincide with first day of the Report stage of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill in the House of Lords. Old Palace Yard, Westminster.

In a controversial move, the Human Fertilization and Embryology Authority (HFEA) approved applications from two universities – King's College London and Newcastle University – to create “cytoplasmic” embryos by inserting human cells into animal eggs.

Opponents condemned the decision as a "disastrous setback for human dignity," according to Agence-France Presse.

Researchers want to produce hybrids that are 99.9 percent human and 0.1 percent animal.

The approved research involves transferring nuclei containing DNA from human cells to animal eggs that have had nearly all their genetic information removed. The resulting embryos are effectively human, according to AFP, with a small animal component.

Then, stem cells, which can grow into different kinds of tissue, are formed.

Scientists argue the research could pave the way for therapies for diseases such as Parkinson's and Alzheimer's, as reported by AFP.

Earlier this week, hundreds of Christians rallied outside Parliament to express their opposition to the Human Fertilization and Embryology Bill on the basis that hybrid embryos go against God’s intention behind His creation.

On Tuesday, the House of Lords voted against a ban on the creation of animal-human hybrids.

Andrea Minichiello Williams of Christian Concern For Our Nation (CCFON) expressed disappointment after Tuesday's vote, stating, "This legislation, which holds many other worrying provisions besides hybrids, is attacking the very core of who we are as a society, what we value as human beings, how we view the unique dignity of humanity and the lengths we are prepared to go to in perverting nature for our own selfish and often misguided desires.

“If the nation is still capable of being shocked, then this bill – if its contents were more widely known and understood – would certainly do just that.”

Williams called on the church to speak up on the risks that the bill’s provisions pose.

“It is the church’s responsibility to speak up for God’s intention for His creation, and in the absence of a wider understanding of the Bill it falls to the church to speak on behalf the nation, to act as lookouts in the watch tower warning of the approaching dangers,” she said.

Christian Post correspondent Jennifer Gold in London contributed to this report.

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  • Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:01 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    I am so glad Christians are making some noise about this. Science has no conscience, most scientists are Atheists, they are the one that have always experimented on people, animals vivisection being among the most disgusting thought up by science. Christian voices speak up.

  • Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:31 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

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    Creation Myths: Proof of a Common Catastrophic Experience.
    THE VALIDITY OF THE FLOOD OF NOAH

  • Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:06 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    This simply demonstrates that we are in the days of Noah. In his day just before the flood, the son's of God were doing genetic alterations to all animal life. This a fulfillment of Prophecy see how now! You will need windows media player to hear these.

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  • Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:25 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    >> 1. I never said anything about self-righteousness. I was talking about medicine. <<
    Oh, NO! Of course not. I DID. A little self-involved, are we? What I made was an observation about you, based on typical misconceptions toted by atheists, such as yourself.

    >> 2. What gives you the impression that no discoveries will emerge from this, given the fact that many scientists have chimed in as to the importance? Do you have some scientific knowledge that they don't? <<
    Right. Many scientists with related work that see an open door for more grants. I probably have at least more cumulative knowledge of various scientific disciplines than what you know about Christians, Christianity, or ethics. Do you think that adding genetic material from other species to human embryos would make the research LESS complicated and convoluted?
    Believe me, If researchers found a way to manipulate pig stem cells to adapt them for human benefit, I'd have no issue. It's the whole "lonely Appalachian mountain man" approach that I find repulsive.
    BTW ... before you reassure me that it's a little more technologically oriented than that ... 'nuff said.

    >> 3. Research with embryonic stem cells is ongoing. Do you know much about scientific research, the time it takes, the fact that some paths yield results and some don't? <<
    I don't claim to be an expert in genetics, but I do know something about how research is done. I understand that embryonic stem cell research hasn't exactly reached a dead end, but that's not really the point. There are some new methods which show lots of promise, without having to blur humanity's identity; a sacred identity given to us by our Lord, God.

    >> 4. As for centaurs et al, nobody is creating chimeras, just bundles of cells less than two weeks old. Get a sense of perspective before you ramble on. <<
    Torus! Get some basic manners before you speak at all. You very well could have made your first post something insightful, but instead you just spit your venom around. You can't possibly expect to do that all the time and think no one will spit back.

    I admire my brothers and sisters in Christ, here who handle shallow, self-indulgent phonies like you with such grace and eloquence. (star2, you're a blessing to me and I know I have a lot to learn) ... but torus, you've probably figured out that I still have a hard time turning the other cheek.

    As for my sarcasm about mythical creatures, do you really think I wouldn't have already gone and at least read up on a few articles that Google could provide? It's not like this is the first I'm hearing of this sewage. I was making a joke ... what ... are you RAIN MAN???

    Get over yourself. Go put your posts on SlashDot where smarter people than you don't mind how clueless you are, as long as you're agreeing with them.

  • Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:13 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    torus

    Re: "star2 - I see. Jesus is enough? So you've never taken medication? No immunizations? No surgery?

    Before I began to walk with my Jesus, yes, I took medication, had immunization shots, and even had surgery once on my knee to take care of a torn cartiledge when I was a young teenager.

    But after I began to walk with my Jesus, then no. My Jesus is all I need. He has healed me too many times of some serious health problems to want to look to any other source. If He should decide that He wants me to see a Doctor and receive medical treatment, then I will go. But I guarentee you He will not subject me to the ungodly and immoral methods (embryonic and hybrid stem cells therapy) developed by ungodly men.

    Re:star2 - If you've ever reaped the benefits of any of these you should be thanking science profusely;

    The methods of developing medications to fight infections, bring down blood pressure and the like, and the development of different surgical techniques in no way compare to the abominable practices of trying to develop tissues from human and/or hybrid embryonic stem cells.

    What these ungodly scientists are doing is an abomination to God. These scientists should be thanking God that they still are alive.

    Re: the same science which will deliver the cures of the future.

    The sicknesses of today are worse now and in greater number than they were when I was growing up in the 50's and 60's when science was inferior to the science of today. So, you tell me, why, if science is the cure of the future?

    Jesus is the cure to sin sick man.

  • Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    1. I never said anything about self-righteousness. I was talking about medicine.

    2. What gives you the impression that no discoveries will emerge from this, given the fact that many scientists have chimed in as to the importance? Do you have some scientific knowledge that they don't?

    3. Research with embryonic stem cells is ongoing. Do you know much about scientific research, the time it takes, the fact that some paths yield results and some don't?

    4. As for centaurs et al, nobody is creating chimeras, just bundles of cells less than two weeks old. Get a sense of perspective before you ramble on.

  • Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:47 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    torus,
    >> All you bible thumpers will no doubt be in line for any and all available cures which might arise from this research. <<

    Yeah. And we "Christians" are the ones with self-righteous indignation? Too bad there's no cure for gullibility. I guess you'll be terminal for forever. Do you really think any relevant discoveries will come out of this? Torus, come back when you've found us a cute, furry cabbit.

    "Hey guys! Embryonic stem cells haven't done anything for us. Before those snooty researchers with their "ethics" find any more cures from adult stem cells or, shudder, induced pluripotent stem cells ... let's try something even more fallible and nazi-esk! It will probably introduce more unknowns and raise more never-to-be-answered questions, and we may not get anywhere, but at least we won't have to admit we were wrong for a while."

    >> So you've never taken medication? No immunizations? No surgery? <<
    Hmmm. Last I checked ... none a doze tings came from centaurs, mermaids, or satyrs.

  • Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:13 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    star2 - I see. Jesus is enough? So you've never taken medication? No immunizations? No surgery? If you've ever reaped the benefits of any of these you should be thanking science profusely; the same science which will deliver the cures of the future.

  • Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:11 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    torus
    Re:"Hail one more victory for science!

    All you bible thumpers will no doubt be in line for any and all available cures which might arise from this research. "

    Not this bible thumper! I guarentee you I will not line up to receive any "cure" from the immoral and ungodly methods that ungodly men create. My Jesus is sufficient for whatever I need in life and that includes my health.

  • Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:15 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 6

    Hail one more victory for science!

    All you bible thumpers will no doubt be in line for any and all available cures which might arise from this research.

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:24 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    The Bible states that God does not like mixtures. It is His desire that men and women reflect and grow in the likeness of the pure Son of God. When we attempt to control or change what He has created we get another Frankenstein. God's promises are sure and they are true. I feel very uncomfortable with the idea of mixing animal and man.

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:45 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 4

    Let us think Biblically on the issue of human and animal hybrids. The Bible teaches us that we are created after God's image and likeness (Genesis 1:27). A human and animal hybrid, if it was possible (it isn't), would then be part God's image and part not. When one should kill such a hypothetical, absurd being, it would only be part murder and part kill.
    The essence of our humanity lies in our being God's image-bearers. This essence does not exist in our genes or DNA. We are spiritual beings (Genesis 2:7) and therefore created different from animals and plants - even if we share 25% of DNA with a banana.
    But if we could use animals without cruelty to them to be more healthy ourselves, and without changing our humanity (which is impossible, anyway), let us accept this opportunity with a thankful heart.
    Lev 18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

  • Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Jeez, Muggleborn, relax....Its just some Scientists out there realizing that High-Definition is`nt quite "It",.....So, they want to make you and I and everyone actual participants in the picture,.....Pretty thoughtful huh? see ya in the funny pages..........

  • Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Google has to say this to say about the story of the creation of: Frankenstein.....(it is) a warning against the 'over-reaching' of modern man and the Industrial Revolution, alluded to in the novel's subtitle, The Modern Prometheus. The story has had an influence across literature and popular culture and spawned a complete genre of horror stories and films. The novel raises many issues that can be linked to today's culture.

  • Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:07 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    >> We share 25% of our DNA with a banana, don't you think we should get over ourselves? <<
    Wow ... You've got some real issues there. Do you really want to be 1/4 banana? You're uh ... comparing apples & oranges.

    >> It is the church’s responsibility to speak up for God’s intention for His creation <<
    Oh, yeah. The Bible does mention that we are created in God's image. I think it's somewhere in the front :^) Maybe that means that those who love the Lord feel a certain responsibility to maintain the dignity of His creation.

    BTW, if I hired you for a job, and promised to pay you in so many units of weight in diamonds, and once you finished, I paid you in an equal weight measure of coal ... would you be mad? I'd tell you to just get over it. After all, it's just really all just a bunch-o-carbon.

  • Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    We've sunk to a new low. Let the "Island of Doctor Moreau" and "Uber Soldat" references commence.

  • Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:48 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 6

    “It is the church’s responsibility to speak up for God’s intention for His creation"

    And the church knows this how? Funny, there isn't a single mention of DNA anywhere IN the bible, so just how does the church KNOW Mr. Invisable's intentions. Do you think it's Gods purpose to hamstring EVERY possible advance in disease treatment?

    We share 25% of our DNA with a banana, don't you think we should get over ourselves?

  • Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:38 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Reminds me of the scientist that worked for Stalin to create "super soldiers" by mixing human sperm/eggs with that of apes, monkeys and orangutans.

    Man, this is just wrong!

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