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Church|Fri, Jan. 18 2008 12:17 PM EST

United Methodist, Lutheran Churches Pursue 'Full Communion'

By Jennifer Riley|Christian Post Reporter

The United Methodist Church and Evangelical Lutheran Church in America will ask its members to approve “full communion” between the two bodies starting this spring.

Church leaders agreed to take another step toward unity between the two major church denominations during their last round of dialogue in December.

Full communion essentially means “acknowledging one another’s ministries as valid,” and wanting to be involved in mutual decision-making, explained the Rev. W. Douglas Mills, an executive with the United Methodist Commission on Christian Unity and Interreligious Concerns, according to the United Methodist News Service.

Although full communion is a clear step towards full unity, Mills added, “We don’t know what full unity is or can look like.”

Members of both denominations have overwhelmingly responded positively to the close partnership between the two churches.

“What we got back was, by and large, very positive,” Mills said about responses to a 2005 statement distributed to members for feedback.

ELCA-UMC dialogue has gone on for 30 years with the first round exploring the sacrament of baptism (1977-79), and then the issues of episcopacy (1985-87). The third round of dialogue, from 2001 to 2007, explored the two churches’ understandings of Eucharist and concluded in the 2004 recommendation for an interim agreement.

An interim “Eucharistic sharing” agreement was approved by the United Methodist Council of Bishops in May and by ELCA representatives in August 2005.

Agreement highlights include encouraging mutual prayer and support, joint Bible studies as well as histories and theological traditions of both churches, joint programs of theological discussions, and joint outreach and social ministry efforts.

Moreover the agreement also encourages joint services of Holy Communion based on guidelines that will be created by both churches.

In 2005, “Confessing Our Faith Together: A Statement Toward Full Communion by the ELCA-UMC Bilateral Dialogue” was completed.

UMC has already received responses to “Confessing our Faith Together,” and ELCA expects to receive theirs this spring.

“There was consistent and wide consensus in congregational evaluations of [the comment] that encouraged a relationship of full communion, recognizing that these two churches already live in proximity and thrive in numerous communities of cooperation throughout the ELCA and the UMC,” said the Rev. Michael Trice, the ELCA’s director of ecumenical formation and interreligious relations, to UMNS.

“Of the over 8,000 responses to the survey, ELCA congregations revealed that UMC churches were a consistent and enduring partner in local congregations throughout both of these communions,” he noted.

Current concerns that still need to be addressed include the actual implementation of full communion.

“That’s the part we have to live into,” UMC’s Mill said. “Now we need to explore what difference this makes for our congregations.”

If approved, the ELCA Church Council will recommend a vote on the resolution on full communion with The United Methodist Church to occur at ELCA’s 11th Biennial Churchwide Assembly, Aug. 17-23, 2009 in Minneapolis. UMC’s vote will take place at the General Conference on Apr. 29, 2008.

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  • Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:46 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Where is Sola Scriptura in the Bible?
    Who put together the Bible?

    "History is the enemy of Protestantism" -Newman

  • Chas »
    Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:54 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Unity with compromise is not Unity in Truth, nor is it Unity in Christ who is Truth, so this is not the work of the Holy Spirit.

    These full communion relationships mean nothing, since these communions have all rejected the authoritative witness in the Word of God on subjects like murder(abortion, embryonic stem cell, euthanasia, cloning), homosexuality, women in ministry, etc. These liberals are going the way of the world instead of the way of the WORD.

    These communions have all fallen away from scripture, and they will soon be cut off from the vine.

    I'd rather have no communion with other churches than sacrifice the Truth.

  • Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:56 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    DanPat,

    I agree that we take Christ at His word with regards to the Eucharist and it's saving grace. I don't believe you can quote the Old Testament prohibitions to challenge the New Covenant. It's apples and oranges.

    The early Church knew that the Eucharist was, indeed, the actual body and blood of Christ. St Paul knew that, too:

    Paul wrote to the Corinthians: "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?" (1 Cor. 10:16). So when we receive Communion, we actually participate in the body and blood of Christ, not just eat symbols of them. Paul also said, "Therefore whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. . . . For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself" (1 Cor. 11:27, 29). "To answer for the body and blood" of someone meant to be guilty of a crime as serious as homicide. How could eating mere bread and wine "unworthily" be so serious? Paul’s comment makes sense only if the bread and wine became the real body and blood of Christ.


    Ignatius of Antioch, who had been a disciple of the apostle John and was appointed Bishop by St Peter wrote a letter to the Smyrnaeans about A.D. 110, and said, referring to "those who hold heterodox opinions," that "they abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again" (6:2, 7:1).

    Forty years later, Justin Martyr, wrote, "Not as common bread or common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nourished, . . . is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus" (First Apology 66:1–20).

    There is no doubt about Transubstantiation being the guiding belief of the Church since the days of the Apostles. Listen to what Christ tells us, what the Apotles tell us and what the disciples of the Apostles tell us. If it was true in those early days according to those who knew Christ, those who know the Apotles and Christ, Himself, it is true today.

  • Sun May 31, 2009 12:02 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "It will be interesting to see which biblical truths are set aside as we continue to see these denominations unite."

    Boy, I'll say. I'm glad I have the full unerring truth.

  • Wed May 06, 2009 1:53 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    The Lutheran understanding of the Eucharist is correct except that it is "Transubstantiation" not consubstantiation. We, as Catholics take Christ for his word and consider the Eucharist the greatest privilege known to man. bcoontz illustrates why one should not interpret the Bible Sola Scriptura (Protestant belief) His interp would be news to Christ who is quite clear:
    "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you" (John 6:53). But what sort of life is this? He goes on to explain, "he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day" (v. 54). It is eternal life, life ordered to the resurrection and to paradise. He continues, getting more specific, "For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him" (vv. 55-56).

  • Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:21 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    FullGospel,

    John 17:21 says, “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”

    However, what is ignored by the ecumenists is the prerequisite that alone will provide unity.

    Sanctify them through thy truth: they word is truth – John 17:17.

  • Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:30 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

    It will be interesting to see which biblical truths are set aside as we continue to see these denominations unite.

  • Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:30 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    Luke 12:51 "Do you think that I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division."
    I Corinthians 11:19 "No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God's approval."

  • Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:17 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 3

    This is the work of the Holy Spirit, bringing the body of Christ back together. God unites, and Satan keeps trying to play the "a house divided against itself cannot stand" card against Christianity. Our weak human nature wants to fight against each other, but God calls us to love, to forgive, to reconcile. May the body of Christ and all its parts with all its gifts continue to work for unity, to God be the glory.

    Jn. 17:21

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:12 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Both of these denominations have had a lot of inward controversy regarding 'gays' in ministry, acceptance of abortion, the authority of the Word of God, and more. They do seem to have these things in common. I do not know what their 'official' stance is on these issues, though, or if they have yet developed an 'official stance'.

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:05 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

    I'm curious about the Eucharistic agreement and what that entails. The Lutheran understanding of the Eucharist is that it is literally the blood of Jesus they are consuming (consubstantiation). The consumption of blood is forbidden in the Bible. Refer to Lev. 7:26; Psalm 16:4; Zech. 9:7; Acts 15:20; Hebrews 13:9; Rev 16:6 and Rev.17:6, to name a few. Consider strongly what you are doing.

  • Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:23 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    That wouldn't be unprecedented. Canada's United Church of Canada is a combination of Methodists, Presbyterians, and Congregationalists.

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