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Society|Sun, Jan. 20 2008 10:20 AM EST

Thousands Give Voice to the Unborn, Hope to Moms

By Lawrence Jones|Christian Post Reporter

The first National Sanctity of Human Life Day was designated by President Ronald Reagan on Jan. 22, 1984. The date was chosen to coincide with the 11th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court case that legalized abortions in the United States.

Churches across the country will be holding small marches in honor of the day. On Jan. 22, a large pro-life gathering called March for Life will take place in Washington D.C.

Nearby in Virgina, Blue Ridge Pregnancy Center of Lynchburg will be sending representatives to area churches to inform them of the center's open house over the next several days.

“I don’t think people realize the consequences that abortion can have on your life, and so we just want to bring that awareness and let people know that there is help available," said Lori Meetre, executive director of the Lynchburg center, according to The News & Advance.

“We really want to offer hope to women and to minister to them emotionally, physically and spiritually,” she added.

Commenting on the various activities to commemorate the Sanctity of Human Life Day, Delahoyde said, "Like the outpouring of love and support after a national disaster, there is nothing more beautiful than seeing communities across this nation respond in such positive ways."

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  • star2 »
    Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    love wins

    Re:maranatha7593, GMG, and myself had a very firey debate with Citizen about the sin of abortion. It is worth the read.

    The discussion with Citizen was on Monday night in case you are interested.

  • star2 »
    Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    love wins

    I am 100% pro-life. I do not approve of taking the life of an unborn child at any stage of gestation. To do so would be murder. I don't even approve of having fertility clinics.

    maranatha7593, GMG, and myself had a very firey debate with Citizen about the sin of abortion. It is worth the read.

  • love wins »
    Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:20 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    star2 .. how old does a "fetus" have to be to be "considered" a baby?? Maybe we should be able to kill little children up to 2 years of age because they're not fully developed either?? This baby has its own set of DNA, its own blood type, its own heart, eyes, mouth, feet, and hands.. he/she needs food, and shelter from its mother while he/she is in the womb, and when this baby is born he/she needs food and shelter.. no different from when its in the womb!!! Same basic needs!! Although, in one scenario there's an open season on its very life!! What should be the SAFEST place in this babies life, is its most dangerous place-in the womb.. Millions of babies have been put to the grave inside of their own mothers.. thats sooo sooo sad!

  • saveamericanow »
    Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:26 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Defend the right to life, Support Dr. Ron Paul now!

    http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/life-and-liberty/

    Aren't you sick of politicians using this as a political football while babies die?! I'm tired of hearing how "conservative" and "prolife" they are UNTIL they take the office! Check Rep. Paul's 10-term record - he is an honest man.

    Also check YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXZpuIXEzWk
    Ron Paul speaks at the National Right to Life Convention

    also WWW.PRAYFORPAUL.COM cut & paste & share these links, God Bless you all.

  • Dagny »
    Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:51 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    http://www.christiansforronpaul.com/
    http://prayforpaul.com/

  • Dagny »
    Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:45 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    maranatha7593

    People who have come to support Dr. Paul do so, not because of the type of sin they are under but because he speaks truth in the face of great obstacles. He stands for a return to constitutionally-defined, limited government, sound money, respect for life and liberty - ALL life, a strong national defense, no nation-building, etc. Go to his site and read his "issues" articles.

    For 10 terms, he has stood almost entirely alone in the Congress for these principles, voting against anything that is unconstitutional while our other "representatives" mock and ridicule him. He stands on Christ's power, believing in His truth and disregarding what the world says is popular. His consistent message of freedom is appealing to many in these last days.

  • maranatha7593 »
    Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:28 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    star2, thank you for the kind (and TRUE) words. But, I must give credit where credit is due. It was GMG who made those comments. I just "amen-ed" them. So, here's the correction: :-)

    GMG said to you, "Abortion also deals with human life. Abortion demeans the meaning of life, the importance of life, inures us to the thought of life having value."

    These comments that you made to MuggleBorn only goes to prove that GMG is right in what s/he says.

  • maranatha7593 »
    Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:25 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Dagny, I agree with you about abortion. Can you explain to me why prostitutes are so strongly wanting Ron Paul to be elected?

  • Dagny »
    Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:13 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    For 35 years, millions of innocents have been being killed.
    For 35 years our elected officials have claimed to be prolife and promised to "work on it"
    Roe v Wade has stood for 35 years because no one has challenged the Constitutionality of the decision - they talk the talk....
    For 35 years, Dr. Ron Paul has been delivering babies (more than 4,000)
    As a confressman he has put forth legislation that DIRECTLY challenges the constitutionality of ROE v WADE, returning control to the States as the Founders designed. The very instant that occurs, the voices for the unborn can be heard once more!

    Will there remain any States that allow abortion? Possibly - if we aren't effective enough, it's possible, however returning the abortion issue to the State level means it will no longer be legal in all of them! How many lives could have been saved if Ron Paul's legislation had been backed long ago??

    For what he believes I hope that you and others will go to:
    http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/life-and-liberty/

    Aren't you sick of politicians using this as a political football while babies die?! I'm tired of hearing how "conservative" and "prolife" they are UNTIL they take the office! Check Rep. Paul's 10-term record - he is an honest man.

    Also check YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXZpuIXEzWk
    Ron Paul speaks at the National Right to Life Convention

  • star2 »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:09 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Citizen

    Re:muggleborn: Tell me, how hard do you have to work to maintain your shocked, SHOCKED outrage about those pictures of aborted fetuses (which aren't persons) after, no doubt, waving them around for months and years? I understand that you all have plastic models fetuses, too. When no one's around, do you ever take them out and play with them like action figures?

    maranatha7593 said to you, "Abortion also deals with human life. Abortion demeans the meaning of life, the importance of life, inures us to the thought of life having value."

    These comments that you made to MuggleBorn only goes to prove that maranatha7593 is right in what she says.

    You have a sin sick mind.

  • MuggleBorn »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Oh. Hey, citizen. It must've taken you at least a good half-hour to come up with THAT gem. Congratulations.

    So, we'll replace comics & toys for Neil Gaiman books. But I guess the rest of it was right on the money.

  • Citizen »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "gothic Newbury Comics Collectibles"? No idea what those are, but apparently you do. Guess I know where to go if I ever need dork lessons. Apparently I've met the master.

  • MuggleBorn »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:00 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Citizen.
    First, you can't judge a person's mood by the emoticons they use. The smile in that context was more of a reflex hysteria at your absurdity.

    What I find more shocking than anything is your complete and utter denial. You could probably perform an abortion and not believe what you were seeing right in front of you. I wouldn't be surprised if you deny the Holocaust, too. Or is it just one of those "Not in this country" contentions.

    You live in a fantasy world. Someone needs to invent a new word for how ridiculous you are. The only people who might be more absurd are 911 conspiracy theorists, and flat-earthers (who are mostly athients BTW ... weird!)

    I guess it's my turn to be presumptuous, now.
    Why don't you just log off your computer and recline back on the futon in your apartment in the basement of your parents house, and watch your box set of Star Trek TNG. Maybe over a can of Jolt and some Doritos you can laugh about how Christians lie to themselves and waste their lives believing in something that can't be proven, while you sit and admire your gothic Newbury Comics collectibles and replica posters of 'Nosferatu' and 'Plan 9 From Outer Space'. Maybe you'll get a good 35 more years or so out of them, and at the end of it all, you can relish in the fact that you lived a good life by providing yourself with frivolous luxuries.

    Later, "dude".

  • Citizen »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    See what I mean? Phony outrage, phony self-righteousness. You can turn it on and off like a light switch. I'm actually somewhat impressed...have you ever thought of getting into acting?

  • MuggleBorn »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    And now we know. Thanks for the confirmation, citizen.

  • Citizen »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    muggleborn: Tell me, how hard do you have to work to maintain your shocked, SHOCKED outrage about those pictures of aborted fetuses (which aren't persons) after, no doubt, waving them around for months and years? I understand that you all have plastic models fetuses, too. When no one's around, do you ever take them out and play with them like action figures? Seriously, grow up, and lose the phony self-righteousness.

  • star2 »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:46 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    maranatha7593

    Amen.

  • maranatha7593 »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:06 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    On this 35th anniversary of the beginning of the modern American holocaust, I pray that God will have mercy on our land and not allow us to reap what we have sown. I pray that all Americans, from small to great, from the lowliest worker to the highest-ranking leaders, will receive the revelation from God's Word that the blood of these innocents cries out to Him, and He hears their cries. I pray that we will obey His Word in Proverbs 29 by speaking out on behalf of these who cannot speak for themselves.

    May we who are called by His name truly humble ourselves, pray, seek His face, and turn from our wicked ways, knowing as we do so that He has promised to hear from Heaven, forgive our sin, and heal our land. In the mighty, precious, Holy Name of Jesus - Amen.

  • MuggleBorn »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:01 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Citizen,

    The only thing that star2 conceded to is that your arguments are all based on the fallible logic of a group of people whose decisions have no absolute authority and are relative to your precious zeitgeist that hold so dear, which I might add, is rendered culturally and temporally by a group of people who have no absolute authority. You cling to it like the baby chimp in the lab who clings to its wire mesh mother.

    You’ve been asked to visit these links. You’ve mentioned nothing about them. Until you look at the photos and tell us in your own words, what they are of, ALL your arguments, and even your convictions lack ANY sort of credibility.

    Visit the links:
    PHOTOS of aborted human fetuses retrieved from a dumpster:
    http://priestsforlife.org/resources/monica/mm2.htm

    PHOTOS of 1st trimester abortions:
    http://priestsforlife.org/resources/photosbyage/index.htm

    PHOTOS of 2nd trimester abortions:
    http://priestsforlife.org/resources/dc/index.htm

    PHOTOS of late term abortions:
    http://priestsforlife.org/resources/photosassorted/index.htm

    Look at the photos. WHAT ARE THEY? I think we can agree they’re not blastocysts. DON’T give us the run-around. DON’T give back contemptuous remarks, like “They’re your way of trying to do this or that”. WHAT ARE THEY? Give us a noun (with optional adjectives), describing what you see.

    Look at them and tell us they’re not persons. At least then, we’ll know for sure what sort of “person” you are.

  • maranatha7593 »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:58 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    GMG said, "Do we ever make bad laws, laws that are really made because we find them modern, convenient, useful and justifiable simply because it's what we want to do? Like slavery?

    Abortion is like that. Abortion also deals with human life. Abortion demeans the meaning of life, the importance of life, inures us to the thought of life having value. Our society is wrong. And we have no real excuses. If ever we had the means to prevent pregnancy it is in our modern age, and yet we are still acting like immature kids who don't want to face the consequences of our choices. We don't want to have to "give up" our freedom on any plane. How sad we are."

    Well said! Bravo!

  • holito8 »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:58 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Citizen I find it amazing; There are other Atheist website but you remain here on a Christian site.
    Now you aren't aguring for spiritual enlightenment from God. But you disagree with the Gospel and a worldly view. God ask the devil "from where do you come?" Satan said "from going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it."
    So I see you have considered the Children of God. You are looking to see whom you can devour with your world ideas.
    By the grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, I pray my brothers and sisters that you stand up against his world ways. We are not of the world and follow not of the things in it. Amen.

  • star2 »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:31 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Citizen

    Re:star2: By name-calling, you really mean you concede. I understand. Good night!

    I didn't call you a name. If I did I would have called you a "fool". A "fool" is a noun. I said you were foolish. The statements you make are foolish. "foolish" is an adjective that is describing your thoughts/arguments.

    No, I don't concede. You conclusion is wrong here my friend.

  • Citizen »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:22 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    star2: By name-calling, you really mean you concede. I understand. Good night!

  • star2 »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:22 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Citizen
    Re:If you are consistent supporters of freedom of conscience,

    I never said I was. I said that the unborn child is a human being and to take its life thru an abortion is murder. Once a woman becomes pregnant she loses her right to kill her unborn child.

  • star2 »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:17 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Citizen

    Your foolish. It is pointless to carry on a debate with you anymore.

  • star2 »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:17 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Citizen

    Good night.

  • Citizen »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:16 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    star2: Oh, I see. So its really about the pregnant woman, and the choices she makes. It isn't really about the potential person at all, since you have no problem with that potential being ended, if it wasn't the woman's choice. Or is it the problems with the fetus that make you ok with it? The "congenital defects" I think you said. Suppose a fetus has a disease that will cause it to die in screaming agony a few days or weeks after its born. Should the state intervene to stop the woman choosing to spare that agony? What if the family has no money for another child, and so the child would grow up impoverished, disadvantaged, and worst of all, unwanted. Should the state intervene and tell the woman, you cannot spare yourself and the potential child that agony? We are talking about freedom of conscience here, the same freedom of conscience that keeps the state from tell you that you must have an abortion, or you must worship god this way or that.

    If you are consistent supporters of freedom of conscience, you cannot support the state denying another woman her right to freedom of conscience when it comes to choosing whether or not to continue a pregnancy, within the constraints of Roe v. Wade.

  • star2 »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:07 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    GMG-good night. I'm glad you stayed to be a part of our debate.

  • GMG »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:05 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Do we ever make bad laws, laws that are really made because we find them modern, convenient, useful and justifiable simply because it's what we want to do? Like slavery?

    Abortion is like that. Abortion also deals with human life. Abortion demeans the meaning of life, the importance of life, inures us to the thought of life having value. Our society is wrong. And we have no real excuses. If ever we had the means to prevent pregnancy it is in our modern age, and yet we are still acting like immature kids who don't want to face the consequences of our choices. We don't want to have to "give up" our freedom on any plane. How sad we are.

    Goodnight everyone, time for me to call it a night. God bless.

  • star2 »
    Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:05 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Citizen

    The degradation of our genetic pool began when man (Adam) decided to rebel against God. Our genetic pool has degraded over the thousands of years of man's existence. If things go wrong in the development of an unborn child, the mother had nothing to do with it. However, abortion of an unborn child is premeditated. You are wanting to compare apples with oranges.

  • Citizen »
    Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    GMG: No I'm not, but I fully support your right not to have abortions, just as I support your right to have them within the constraints of Roe v. Wade.

  • star2 »
    Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Citizen:

    I'll restate it again. God Word doesn't play much of a role in our constitution. Yes, it is secular and that is why we are in the pitiful state we are in.

  • Citizen »
    Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    star2: Oh, so even spontaneous abortion is humankind's fault (because it's the result of "sin") well, now I'm really confused, because you don't seem to blame humankind enough to criminalize spontaneous abortion, even though you say it results from human choice the same way other kinds of abortion do.

  • GMG »
    Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:57 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    No on can speak for everyone, of course. All I can speak for is that I am a woman, I have talked with many women, I am a nurse, I have lost a child, and I know for a certainity that many have rued that sort of decision afterwards. We make many decisions based on what we find logically balanced in view of the circumstance, only to realize later that we failed to consider the whole picture. A baby is not a car, a house, a job, a horse, a fence, a whim. And when you're not holding it in your arms it seems like nothing "actual" at the moment. And then it's gone, by your choice alone, and the reality hits home. And suddenly there's no going back. It wasn't a car, a horse, etc. etc. It was a baby. You're not a woman are you?

  • star2 »
    Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:54 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Citizen

    Re:star2: oh really? I thought according to you christians, your god created everything natural. Doesn't that mean your god created spontaneous abortion too? Doesn't that mean that it was his will that those happen?

    When God created everything He created it perfect. Then man decided to rebel against God and sin entered into the world.

    The Word of God say that the soul that sinneth it shall surely die. Sin brings death. That death is in every area of our life. Your sins tonight in this debate had degraded or brought death to your ability to debate at a quality level. Our sin has corrupted our genetic pool. This corruption sometimes affects our physical development. People get diseases all the time because of faulty genetic makeup. It can happen to the unborn child as well.

  • Citizen »
    Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    star2: Well, good, at least you can recognize that the constitution is a secular document. If you want to try to amend the constitution to be more "biblical",(according to your standards of what's "biblical") you certainly have the right to try.

  • Citizen »
    Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    GMG: No sarcasm involved. I really do want you all to address the seeming contradiction between your feelings towards some kinds of abortion versus other kinds. It seems like you are being very inconsistent.

  • Citizen »
    Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    GMG: Doesn't the no-longer-pregnant woman in question know what she's feeling better than you do? Is it your place to make self-serving assumptions about how "most women" feel?

  • GMG »
    Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    It was addressed to me, with a seemingly sarcastic reference to God's will. did I misunderstand?

  • star2 »
    Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Citizen

    Re:star2: Moreover, since when did the bible become the basis of our laws instead of the constitution? And what evidence do you have that there is a god, much less that the bible gets it right? You see the problem with legislating based on the bible?

    God Word doesn't play much of a role in our constitution. That is why we are in the pitiful state we are in.

  • Citizen »
    Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    star2: oh really? I thought according to you christians, your god created everything natural. Doesn't that mean your god created spontaneous abortion too? Doesn't that mean that it was his will that those happen?

  • GMG »
    Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:46 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    A woman tells herself she is relieved, and reminds herself of all the reasons she should be. I suppose there is a rare woman that actually convinces herself. But that woman is indeed rare.

    There are many reasons to think you want an abortion, and many reasons and much time to rue the choices afterwards.

  • Citizen »
    Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    GMG: What put-downs? star2 mentioned god saying abortion was wrong, so I asked about spontaneous abortions, and whether he or she though that his or her god was involved in that?

  • star2 »
    Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Citizen

    Re: "Seems god is the biggest abortionist of them all."

    May God forgive you of your blasphemist remarks.

    Re:But either way, what does god have to say about all the natural abortions, which as GMG or marantha pointed out, we call miscarriages.

    Miscarriages are natural. Things go wrong and the baby dies. God does not play a role in that any more than He plays a role in you getting sick.

  • Citizen »
    Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    GMG: I agree, she does feel a sense of loss if she wanted the child. If she did not, I imagine she'd be relieved. The same range of emotions are felt when the decision is made to have an abortion.

  • GMG »
    Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Is this conversation going from exchange of ideas and viewpoints to put-downs?

  • Citizen »
    Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    GMG: well what does that matter? It's still developing life, or a "nascent child" or a "baby" or whatever other loaded term you want to through around right? Aren't you going to attribute those spontaneous abortions to "god's will?" Doesn't that mean that your god wanted those abortions to happen, or even made them happen?

  • GMG »
    Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:42 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    A woman's sense of loss over a miscarriage is very real. And the longer she carries that baby, the more loss it entails. Don't ever think for a moment that loss, whether by choice or not, doesn't have a lasting impact.

  • Citizen »
    Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    GMG: I'd feel about as bad as I do about all the miscarriages that happen naturally everyday. Which is to say, nowhere near as bad as if an actual born person was murdered.

  • GMG »
    Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:39 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Citizen

    Those "spontaneous abortions" are due to congenital abnormalities, failures to implant properly, etc. Physical reasons for inability to develop, not man's choice.

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