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Poll: Most Americans Want a Biblical Leader as President

By Jennifer Riley|Christian Post Reporter

The majority of Americans want a president who mirrors biblical ideals of leadership, revealed a new poll out Thursday.

About six in 10 Americans likely to vote say they would be more likely to vote for a presidential candidate who speaks publicly about following the example of admirable leaders from the Bible and who uses the Bible for guidance in both public and personal matters, found a nationwide Zogby Poll conducted for the American Bible Society.

According to the survey, more than three-quarters (78 percent) of respondents – 86 percent of women and 68 percent of men – view candidates citing Scripture when explaining political positions as positive.

Also, most Americans voters want a candidate who has a servant-leader attitude. Respondents are more likely to support a candidate who sees the office as a privilege to serve others, with a responsibility to God.

Out of the polled respondents aged 18-29, 84 percent said a candidate’s servant-leader attitude would impact their vote. Interestingly, only 62 percent of older respondents, 50-64 years old, said it would influence their decision.

In addition to Biblical leadership qualities, many likely voters are affected by the simple question of whether the candidate believes in God.

Nearly half of likely voters indicated that they would not vote for a presidential candidate who did not believe in God, while 20 percent said they would vote for such a candidate. Another 20 percent said this factor would not affect their vote

But by far, truthfulness and integrity – characteristics often emphasized in the Bible – topped the list of qualities respondents feel are most important in a leader.

The poll was conducted Jan. 25-27 on 1,008 adult respondents from throughout the United States. Nearly all respondents (95 percent) said they have some interaction with the Bible, ranging from well aware to exploring the contents of the Bible. Close to a quarter of participants said they were born-again Christians.

A Christian Web site, www.iVoteValues.org, affiliated with the Family Research Council and Focus on the Family, is helping Christians register to vote and with what to consider in choosing a candidate.

The Web site is offering a Voter Impact Toolkit that includes sermon helps, matching PowerPont presentation, Voter Resource Guide, voter registration forms, poster, and other resources to equip pastors and churches to vote their values. The pro-family Christian organizations behind the website encourage Christians to consider biblical values when voting, and pray for the election of godly leaders.

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  • Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    cistonga,
    There's no anger here. Just truth. You're gonna have to try a LOT harder than that to get a rise out of me. I know you were probably hoping. And I'm sorry if I came across that way. I truly am not angry. And it really does take a lot to get me angry. I've been on Christian Post for over a year, and have had more intense discussions than what you and I have had, and still have not come close to being mad.

  • Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:50 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet "I didn't say we agreed. Only your misled pride would say that."

    you have anger issues, you should pray for yourself.

  • Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:58 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I didn't say we agreed. Only your misled pride would say that.

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet: "OK"

    OK back, we can agree...........

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    cistonga,

    Ok.

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet "A lame excuse"

    thats exactly how I would put your posted opinions.

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    tgender: "agnosticism is also a faith step?

    Ah, no. perhaps you dont know the meaning of agnosticism. it is not a faith as you suggest. i dont have faith in it. In a nut shell- it means I dont know and I accept life as it is on face value- it is what it is, period. Somesomes life is OK, other times not, but it is what it is! Philosophers and Theologians have been debating whether there is a god, the nature of god, the universe, etc, for centuries. They are no further in having answers now then they were 1000 years ago. In the mean time, science has taught us much about the nature of the universe. The bible and theologens have not.

    "Sorry, but you do [worship science]. You think it’s the be-all, end-all—the fountainhead of all knowledge.."

    get off the worship kick. I study science, My job is in science. I am interested in science, I do not worship science. I do not worship anything. Science is exciting and interesting, religion and the supernatural are very uninteresting to me. The only thing about religion that interests me is the politics of it. You obviously have no knowledge of science.

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    LOL.
    "Cyclical". funny.
    A lame excuse for "eternal".

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Science tells us that the universe is NOT eternal, so what conclusion would you draw?"

    Its perhaps cyclical

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    citsonga-
    “I am a scientist, I dont worship science”

    Sorry, but you do. You think it’s the be-all, end-all—the fountainhead of all knowledge. Well, what makes you think that? Science can’t answer the big WHY questions of life.

    “In all probability, when my heart stops beating, thats the end- No heaven, No hell, No problem.”
    Quite a gamble you’re taking there, especially with God so clearly revealing himself.

    “sorry to see you need an imaginary deity to get you thru life.”
    I agree with you that following an imaginary deity certainly would be a tragic waste of time. You seem to think that all religious faith is a blind leap. That’s true for some, but not all. If the evidence is solid, then faith is warranted, in any arena of life, including belief about God. Do you realize that your atheism or agnosticism is also a faith step? And I would say that you certainly require more blind faith than a Christian.

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    citsonga-
    "And how was God made? Wait, wait, I already know your answer, God always existed....LOL"

    Not sure why you find this so funny. Logic tells us that SOMETHING must be eternal because it is nonsense for something to come from nothing. Science tells us that the universe is NOT eternal, so what conclusion would you draw?

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    tgender: "Go on worshiping your science god. I can tell you one thing for sure—it can’t save you and give meaning to your life. When you’re all alone in those quiet moments and you are in utter despair because of the meaninglessness and futility of your life, then know this: The God who spoke the world into existence and thereby created the scientific laws that you idolize so much will hear your cry if you come humbly before Him and repent.


    i am a scientist, I dont worship science, I use the scientific method to study the world around me, thats how I make my living. I dont need the notion of a god to give my life meaning. I accept life for what it is, theres good and bad stuff in life, most of which i have no control over. There may very well be absolutely no meaning to life. I dont have a problem with that. As an agnostic, I say it is what it is, and try to get through life the best I can. Its really too bad so many religious folks waste so much time preoccupied with the hereafter- its probably a primitive instinct. I suppose its the fear of life ending at death that causes so many people to be religious. I dont really worry about that too much. In all probability, when my heart stops beating, thats the end- No heaven, No hell, No problem.

    "When you’re all alone in those quiet moments and you are in utter despair because of the meaninglessness and futility of your life"

    sorry to see you need an imaginary deity to get you thru life.

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet: "What science doesn't tell you, is who made those laws of physics that our entire universe is held together by. The answer to that is God."

    And how was God made? Wait, wait, I already know your answer, God always existed....LOL

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    This is surprising. I thought George Bush was the president that Christians wanted. He says that he follows Jesus and the bible in all his decisions, and he is supported by fundamentalists more than any other. Bush is everything that is described in the article above.
    Don't all of you consider him the best president the US has ever had because of his biblical beliefs? Or is he not religious enough?

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    bob,
    What science doesn't tell you, is who made those laws of physics that our entire universe is held together by. The answer to that is God.

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jesus said,"Suffer the little ones to come unto me for such is the Kingdom of Heaven" If anyone should cause one of these little ones of mine to SIN (abusing them) it would be better for them to put a millstone around their neck and drown themselves."

    JESUS CHRIST is the best advocate anyone can have, especially children.

    When a child is brought up learning that God is love and that God disciplines the ones He loves.
    God is not abusive, HE disciplines and discipline tells me, I care about what you are doing, I do not want you to living a life that damages you in anyway.

    I was created in His image, I am His child, and I could never have survived the things done to me, without the Lord being there. Just because God allows things, doesn't mean HE approves.

    We need to be careful we do not condemn ourselves by what we approve!

    One day the good LORD will split the eastern sky and then the WHOLE WORLD will not have any doubts!!! praise GOD!

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    bobx2x2-
    "Actually scientists have figured out how planets form. It's a natural process."

    Really? Wow! They've figured out how all those chemicals popped into existence out of nothing from natural processes? I didn't see that on the news.

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "The God who spoke the world into existence"

    Actually scientists have figured out how planets form. It's a natural process. Look it up if you're interested in reality.

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:22 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    First let me say: Teaching children the love of God and how to walk in His truth is not child abuse.
    I grew up in very abusive foster homes and I know first hand what true abuse is! I went through mental, emotional, physical abuse, and spiritual!!
    I never knew the love of God, I new abuse at the hands of foster parents, one claimed to be a "Christian" and one was not. A divided house to be sure!
    What I have learned in my 51 years is that a relationship with God (Jesus Christ) is not a religion!!!!
    Many claim to be "Christians" but God's Word states that our actions have to model our words.

    Many will come in His name and say, "didn't we prophesy in Your Name; didn't we do many miracles, in Your Name, and He will say, apart from me, I never KNEW you!
    It isn't enough to know about Him, demons and Satan know about Him,but they do not Worship Him or OBEY Him.
    When we OBEY His commandments and walk in the LIGHT as HE is in the LIGHT then we know we have fellowship with HIM!
    For those who do not accept of believe God's Word; that is your choice; and I will tell you, I did not always believe either.
    I am HIS living witness that HE is alive and HE is REAL and HE is GLORIOUS!
    I was in the gutters of this world; broken and dead; at the hands of PEOPLE, and the true miracle of all is that JESUS died for all of this world, even for those who will never accept what HE has done for them personally!
    Praise and all glory to our great God, for HIS mercy endures forever.
    HE taught me Himself about LOVE and unconditional love has no bounds. HE doesn't want children or anyone else FORCED to follow Him or love Him, it's why HE gave every human a choice! No other creature has this; only man made in HIS IMAGE; we are GOD BREATHED
    and yet that very creation has turned it's back on their CREATOR!
    Glory to God in the Highest!
    God's blessings to you Prophet and all those who truly walk in obedience and trust with our Lord Jesus Christ! HE has lifted my life up from THE PIT OF HADES and HE is restoring my family, a family that was beyond fractured. HE IS a most loving Father!

    The proof is in a CHANGED LIFE: and HE most certainly changed my life!!! Thankyou God!

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:40 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    bobx2x2-
    Go on worshiping your science god. I can tell you one thing for sure—it can’t save you and give meaning to your life. When you’re all alone in those quiet moments and you are in utter despair because of the meaninglessness and futility of your life, then know this: The God who spoke the world into existence and thereby created the scientific laws that you idolize so much will hear your cry if you come humbly before Him and repent.

    “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.” (Romans 1:18-23)

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:30 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "I have concluded that the evidence for Christianity far outweighs that of any other religion."

    Big deal. How about comparing Christianity to science. Scientific facts have real evidence. The Christians beliefs have only the fairy tales in the Bible and the wishful thinking of gullible people. Science makes the world a better place to live in, while Christianity does nothing but get in the way.

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:37 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    citsonga-
    “Your genetic make-up has developed your brain in a manner allows you to have a faith that makes sense to you.”

    Pardon me if I disagree, but this is not quite right. Your senses allow you to perceive the world around you and your mind allows you to analyze and understand those perceptions. You form beliefs based on what you think is true. You put your faith (active trust) in those things that you have sufficient confidence in based on evidence. Faith in God can be rational or irrational depending on what evidence you are relying on. I have concluded that the evidence for Christianity far outweighs that of any other religion.

    Even though you are currently skeptical and religious faith makes no sense to you, I encourage you to seriously investigate the truth claims of Christianity. I think you will find them to be reliable and that faith in Christ is not only warranted and rational, but life changing because it gives you purpose, meaning, joy, peace, and hope.

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:27 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    citsonga-
    Maybe these arguments have been used for centuries because they’re good arguments. I noticed that you did not address the argument. Why? If your view is true that naturalism is true, then you should be able to disprove the argument I provided. BTW, this particular argument is not really intended to say anything about the nature of the universe. It intends to explain how the universe came into being. That’s pretty important, right?

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:12 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    tgender: "Because of the magnitude and complexity of the universe, God must be very powerful and wise."

    You mean because you know nothing about science, you think everything was magically created.

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:09 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Slacker said to "He Who Thinks": "The evidence is there however you are just blinded by your own sin to see it clearly..."

    What was his "sin"? Thinking? Is it a sin to think?

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:12 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    To He Who Thinks:

    "in this day and age, if you can show me when, where, and how beyond a reasonable doubt, i'll vote republican the rest of my life. "

    No you wouldn't because the evidence is there and you still don't believe. I hear the same basic argument in different forms, "show me the evidence that God exist and I will believe", The evidence is there however you are just blinded by your own sin to see it clearly...

  • Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:08 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    To Ebc:

    There may be an afterlife or there may not be, Citasong is atleast willing to admit he doesn't know, you on the other hand says that it is illogical and idotic to believe in one, atleast be willing to accept your own limitations instead of browbeating someone because they believe something you don't. I would recommend to you that you look in the mirror the next time you term any one of faith in a negative canotation such as "hate monger" or the like because by what you said, i only see you as the "hate monger"... I agree with chris333, I may not agree with citasong but atleast i do respect him for his comments....

  • Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Chris333: "Atheism however is always illogical, and always irrational, as it asserts a negative."

    If somebody asserts there's no tooth fairy, is he being illogical and irrational?

  • Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    tgender:
    " don’t understand this at all. How can faith be inherited genetically?"

    Your genetic make-up has developed your brain in a manner allows you to have a faith that makes sense to you. My brain does not allow for that. I am, by nature, a skeptic. i guess thats why i am a scientist, not a theologan. Religious faith makes no sense to me, and at my age, i see little chance of that happening . If it works for you, great. It doesn't work for me.

  • Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    tgender:
    "There is a mountain of evidence to consider, but I’ll start at the beginning. Here is my first argument:

    1. Everything that begins to exist requires a cause.
    2. The universe began to exist, which includes all matter, time, and energy.
    3. Therefore, the universe had a cause which was immaterial and timeless.
    4. This cause must be an eternal “First Cause” because an infinite regression of causes is impossible.
    5. This Cause fits the traditional definition of God, so God exists.
    6. Because of the magnitude and complexity of the universe, God must be very powerful and wise."

    These are the same arguments made by theologans for centuries. They say nothing of the nature of the universe. Science is the key to discovering the nature of the universe, not theology and philosophy. Same "logic" was used to describe the earth as stationary and the center of the universe, I believe science has demonstrated that not to be the case.

  • Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    nemjbs: "I am shocked to see the high number of born again Christians that support Obama"

    perhaps you would prefer 4 more years of the war mongering bush so that he can turn the US war machine on yet another country. Is that what the good christians on these posts want?

  • Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:30 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I am shocked to see the high number of born again Christians that support Obama. Obama says he is a Christian and has attended Trinity United Church in Chicago for twenty years. Obama credits the senior minister Rev, Jeremiah Wright with leading him to Christ and says Rev. Wright is his spiritual advisor. The church has a magazine The Trumpet and last year it awarded The Rev. Jeremiah Wright Trumpeter Award to a man it said "truly epoiomized greatness." That man is Louis Farrakhan. Recently Obama has made many references to people in the Bible, but I have to wonder what is being preached at his church when his minister so greatly recognizes the Leader of the Nation of Islam. I have to look at what one does and not what one says. Twenty years of lfollowing someone in the pulpit mean more than a few candidate speeches. What do we really know about Obamas faith? I think we have to look to where he has spent the last twenty years. Check out the churcs website http://www.tucc.org/about.htm
    I do not want my President seeking spiritual counsel from someone who thinks that Louis Farrakhan is a "truly great man."

  • Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:40 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    He Who Thinks-
    There is a mountain of evidence to consider, but I’ll start at the beginning. Here is my first argument:

    1. Everything that begins to exist requires a cause.
    2. The universe began to exist, which includes all matter, time, and energy.
    3. Therefore, the universe had a cause which was immaterial and timeless.
    4. This cause must be an eternal “First Cause” because an infinite regression of causes is impossible.
    5. This Cause fits the traditional definition of God, so God exists.
    6. Because of the magnitude and complexity of the universe, God must be very powerful and wise.

  • Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:34 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    He Who Thinks-
    “Just goes to show that, truly, religion has become too influential in our secular government and politics.”

    You’re being naïve if you think atheism/secularism is not a “religion” because it is just as much a religion as Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc. There’s no such thing as neutrality regarding the kinds of questions that religion (or worldview) tries to answer. These questions include whether or not God exists, what kind of God exists, where/how did everything come from, what happens after we die, where do we get morality from, what is moral, how should we live, why is there evil and suffering, etc. Atheists have answers to each one of these questions and they very clearly affect their public policies and actions, just like it does Christians. All this talk about keeping morality and religion out of government is a smokescreen to avoid the real issue about what the right answers are to these questions.

  • Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:07 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Dean77- Just because some one is a Creationist doesn't mean they have God's mind on all the issues. Romney was the best choice out of the remaining candidates but Christians were to prejudice and ignorant of the issues to vote for the best candidate.

    Just goes to show that, truly, religion has become too influential in our secular government and politics. I despise any and all evangelical, pious cowards who hide behind God and pervert religion to further political agendas, and values voters are the worst lot because in this country where religious freedom is for ALL religion and creeds and a government that, under law of the First Amendment of the Constitution, are not allowed to endorse any one religion, no matter how heavenly Jesus Christ may be. Sorry to all the bible belt, but you've been breaking the law for too long and it's a shame the huckabee's and pat richardson's and ernest angley's haven't been arrested for misguiding true christians with their insane, somewhat hilarious practices. Huckabee straight up said "I want to put God in the Constitution." Well, I want to be a professional baseball player and win the world series every single year i play professionally, but it won't happen, just like a jesus freak like huckabee won't get elected. And shouldn't get elected. When has religion and politics ever mixed well? Does anyone recall the Crusades? The Spanish Inquisition? The Holocaust? I know i'm missing other prime examples. And don't tell me God influenced the Civil Rights movement and inspired George Bush to be the President of the United States because that's just insane. The Civil Rights movement was inspired by people sick of oppression and injustice and figured hey, now's as good a time as any. And George Bush needs to find religion because after i heard him say on an interview a couple years ago that he felt God called him to the presidency, i wanted to jump through the television, slap him on the face, and say "that's ten hail mary's for lying to the American People, again!"

  • Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Tgender-
    “Sure, there maybe an afterlife, then again there may not be one. I have no way of knowing.”
    This is just plain wrong. If God exists and He is concerned with His creation, then it would be reasonable for us to think that He has revealed Himself to us. Indeed, we find this to be true for He has revealed Himself in creation, in His Word, and in His Son Jesus Christ. I’d be happy to share why I believe this to be so if you are interested."

    in this day and age, if you can show me when, where, and how beyond a reasonable doubt, i'll vote republican the rest of my life.

  • Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Geez...where's Perot when you need him?

  • Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Just because some one is a Creationist doesn't mean they have God's mind on all the issues. Romney was the best choice out of the remaining candidates but Christians were to prejudice and ignorant of the issues to vote for the best candidate.

  • Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:17 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    citsonga-
    “You may be genetically predisposed to have a religious faith (I believe religious belief like patriotism may be related to genetics). I think I do not have those genes.”
    I don’t understand this at all. How can faith be inherited genetically? Faith is placing personal trust in something. It’s a matter of what one believes (and why) and then acting on that belief. I would acknowledge that beliefs can be culturally based (although they can be wrong), but beliefs are not genetically based. No matter how one acquires beliefs, they can be abandoned if found to be wrong.

    “Sure, there maybe an afterlife, then again there may not be one. I have no way of knowing.”
    This is just plain wrong. If God exists and He is concerned with His creation, then it would be reasonable for us to think that He has revealed Himself to us. Indeed, we find this to be true for He has revealed Himself in creation, in His Word, and in His Son Jesus Christ. I’d be happy to share why I believe this to be so if you are interested.

  • Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    One thing I do find quite funny ebc, you seem to be so obsessed with "disproving" (I use that word extremely liberally in this case) something which you believe does not even exist.

  • Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:29 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ebc, it has become amuzing to watch how many times and how many ways you can vary your self-defeating argument.

    Agnosticism is not sucking up to Christians, it is a logical, and possibly rational belief system, depending on the information you have. Atheism however is always illogical, and always irrational, as it asserts a negative. Though I disagree with much of what citsonga says, I can at least respect his position.

  • Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    citsonga: "Sure, there maybe an afterlife, then again there may not be one. I have no way of knowing (hence agnostic)."

    This is called sucking up to Christians.

    Do you seriously believe it's possible a soul flies up to heaven after a human ape drops dead? That's the most idiotic fairy tale ever invented, and it's totally nuts to say "there may be an afterlife".

  • Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    cistonga,
    I see you caught my little play on words. I did that tongue in cheek though. You said you'll worry about the afterlife when the time comes. But if the Word of God is true, then at that time it will be too late. Hence, my statement "you have more to lose than I do".
    I would love to chat more with you, but there are some heave personal/spiritual situations I need to take care of. Hopefully, we can talk again soon.

  • Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet: " I believe in Christianity, you believe in Antagonism"

    Its not Antagonism, its Agnosticism, and its not a belief it is a philosophical view that the truth of certain claims, particularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of God, gods, deities is unknown or, inherently unknowable.

    You may be genetically predisposed to have a religious faith (I believe religious belief like patriotism may be related to genetics). I think I do not have those genes. I cannot relate to the notion of faith, its makes little sense to me. Sure, there maybe an afterlife, then again there may not be one. I have no way of knowing (hence agnostic). I only know what I can see in this world. I will worry about an afterlife if that time comes. The notion Christians have that one will go to hell if one doesn't "believe" seems to me, absurd.

  • Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:52 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    citsonga,
    And that goes back to my previous post. Therein lies the conundrum. I believe in Christianity, you believe in Antagonism, and one day we will discover who's right. And you have more to lose than I do.
    But aside from that, my faith in God has been reinforced by the works and miracles that God has performed in my life, my family's life, and in many other Christian's lives. That is why I have faced the facts and found them in favor of God.

  • Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet "I did grow up and face the facts. The facts pointed overwhelmingly in favor of God and His Holy Word."

    I did grow up and face the facts. The facts pointed overwhelmingly in favor of Agnosticism.

  • Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I did grow up and face the facts. The facts pointed overwhelmingly in favor of God and His Holy Word.

  • Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    As I said, children watch what their parents do. They also listen to the way they talk. And when they see and hear their parents talk and act a certain way, they pick up on it, and it becomes their character. A 3 year old can no more understand the ways of God than the ways of politics. But by being raised over time in that environment, their conscience and character is molded into the image of their parents. Now, as with Christian children, they day will come when they will be old enough to decide on their own, by what was taught and shown, and by what other outside influences (friends, other non-Christian family, social networks, etc), what it is they believe. I have known numerous kids who grew up in Christian homes, that are, as adults, non-Christians. So much for your "brainwashing" theory. And that doesn't take into account the number of people who grew up only hearing the word "God" as a cuss word, much less even stepped foot inside a church, who are now Christians. Trash haulers, truck drivers, teachers, sports figures, scientists, doctors, etc...people from all walks of life who have chosen God. And many of them grew up in non-Christian homes. Again, so much for your "brainwashing" theory.

  • Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "And you die without God. What have you lost? Everything. Eternity."

    That kind of breathtaking stupidity might work on a small child, but you got to be crazy if you think an adult could believe your disgusting threats. There no magic man living in the clouds. For goodness sake grow up and face facts.

  • Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I said earlier that if Christians waited for their children to grow up before brainwashing them with Christian insanity, they would never believe it. Only gullible children, willing to believe any nonsense if it comes from their parents, could believe the idiocy of the Resurrection and the other repulsive Christian myths. It's disgusting immoral child abuse.

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