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Survey: Journey to Rid Gay Attractions Not Harmful

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

Correction appended

Change for a man wrestling with homosexual attractions is not only possible but the pursuit of change can also be a positive experience, a recent survey shows.

The survey by People Can Change, a non-profit and non-religious organization that offers training, healing and support for men with unwanted same-sex feelings, revealed that 9 out of 10 men who participated in a weekend program reported a decrease in distress, shame and self-condemnation. They also felt better about themselves.

People Can Change founder Rich Wyler calls it an "incredibly vital" finding, especially at a time when psychologists, gay rights groups and other critics of ex-gay programs contend that the process of change out of homosexual attractions is harmful.

The organization surveyed men from across the country who participated in a program called "Journey Into Manhood" – a 48-hour intensive personal-growth and self-discovery weekend for men serious about resolving unwanted homosexual feelings – between January 2002 and December 2006. They were surveyed mid-2007, which was anywhere between six months and six years after the men experienced the Journey.

Among the more than 200 individuals who responded to the survey, 79 percent reported a decrease in the frequency or intensity of same-sex feelings since the Journey Into Manhood weekend; 13 percent reported no change and that their same-sex feelings continue; and 6 percent said such attractions actually increased.

In terms of behavior, 73 percent reported a decrease in same-sex behaviors; 8 percent said such behaviors continue; and 5 percent reported an increase in same-sex behaviors.

Given that the program is a short weekend, it is not clear what exactly led some men to change their feelings and behaviors during the months or years after the Journey.

While 56 percent had experienced "significant" same-sex attraction at the time they took the Journey Into Manhood, the number dropped to 14 percent after the Journey.

Diminished same-sex attraction does not necessarily amount to increased heterosexual feelings, but Wyler says that's likely the case.

"What we find is that as homosexual attractions are resolved, very often heterosexual attractions emerge spontaneously," he told The Christian Post.

According to survey results, 58 percent reported an increase in heterosexual attractions and 50 percent said they experienced an increase in heterosexual behaviors (dating, intimacy, etc.) since the weekend program. Still, 28 percent reported neither an increase nor decrease in heterosexual attractions and 44 percent also reported no change in heterosexua behaviors.

Overall, 13 percent said they experienced enough change to now consider themselves straight and another 73 percent said they will continue to work on further change. Meanwhile, 12 percent said they have come to peace with their same-sex attractions and are not pursuing further change.

Change is possible, Wyler – who also came out of homosexual attractions – simply concluded.

Wyler says many opponents argue that because such programs haven't worked for them, they can't work for anyone else. At the same time, he also says it's faulty for people who have changed to say everyone else can change. Wyler's main goal is for people to overcome the distress of homosexuality and the behavior if that's what they want to do. Continue >>

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  • Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:24 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    If a person with opposite-sex attractions avoids sexual temptation, his libido will decrease. This doesn't mean that he is becoming homosexual. Same for a person with same-sex attractions. If he avoids sexual temptation, his libido will decrease, but this doesn't mean he's becoming heterosexual. The APA it would seem agrees considering their new scathing report on reparative therapy.

  • Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:35 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    God will not change someone from being gay because he has no reason to. People are created black for a reason, people are created gay for a reason. How dare you try to twist the words of the Bible and pretend you know more than God? This article is baloney: If you surveyed me right after a brain washing weekend, I would say I felt better too. As time goes on, and the feelings of guilt grow stronger, and depression sets in because I am not changing to the way a bunch of Christians who refuse to study true scientific data say i should be, I might not feel so comfortable. My goodness people, look into the studies before you begin passing them around as fact!

  • Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:29 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    why fix something that isnt broken?

  • Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:57 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Hi,
    Nice article.

    Sad to see that it is filled with someones numerology figures. Attempting to make "more than 200" look like an enormous participation of past patients, when it is itself an obvious small percentage of the original group(s).

    The gist of the whole thing is that the only persons to really profit from it are the homosexuals who came to be more accepting of their own selves. Not the original intentions of the therapy.

    The 13% who came to consider themselves straight are a real situation though. These are the main group who will degrade into damaged individuals. They are success to the therapy because they avoid homosexual contact, not because they enjoy heterosexual contact.
    You see? They are the ones who are NOT well adjusted to their environment. They have hope that they will be heterosexual and accepted by their fellow Christians. Having been made to believe that Christ had no place for them before, if they do not succeed, who will accept them after? These are the poor souls who have become sheep without a Shepard.
    Having been treated as if they are the least of God's children, if they do not succeed in becoming heterosexual, they have no place left to turn.

    True hope can only come from Jesus. If one despairs and seeks help in the name of the Christ, Christ promises that He will send the Holy Ghost, the comforter, to these in need.
    It is also the only unforgivable sin, to deny the Holy Ghost.
    To deny the comforter. Many say this is to commit suicide. I say that it is as it is written, to deny anyone "hope".

    The 13% success rate needs a prayer from everyone. Not that they live as I think they should, but to live as God tells them to live.

  • Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:57 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Hi,
    I am new and a bit confused (my natural state of being :).
    Is there some question of this article that it should not be posted or considered? This thing should have never happened and all should be warned of the possibilities, lest my child be so used by another person.
    Thereby, it is part of my first post. Thank you.

    By Dean Pritchard

    A minister and former Christian college instructor has been found guilty of sexually assaulting a young man who sought counselling after he feared he was homosexual.

    A jury returned with the guilty verdict early last night after only a few hours of deliberations.

    Terrance Lewis, 60, will be sentenced at a later date.

    Earlier in the day, defence lawyer Ron Simenik argued the victim knew full well the intimate sessions he shared with Lewis had nothing to do with “therapy.”

    “They did it mutually by consent,” Simenik said. “We may not agree with it or understand it, but at the end of the day, that’s not the issue.”

    Crown attorney Dale Schille said the evidence against Lewis was “overwhelming” and he never denied the allegations in a statement to police.

    In earlier testimony, the alleged victim, now 29, told court he started meeting Lewis for counselling sessions in early 2000 after his parents caught him viewing gay pornography on the family computer.

    Lewis — a family friend and minister — confided he had his own sexual identity issues and the two embarked on weekly counselling sessions designed to “assist me to be straight and to live a straight life,” the man said.

    The man said Lewis started a program of “touch therapy,” which included the two kissing and fondling each other and engaging in sexual roleplaying.

    “He said I was to tell no one about it because no one would understand,” the man testified.

    During “touch therapy” sessions in Lewis’ car, Lewis asked him to masturbate, the man said. Lewis also admitted to fantasizing about him, the man said.

    Simenik said yesterday the men didn’t become sexually intimate until a year after they started seeing each other.

    “It started as a friendship, evolved, they became closer ... two consenting adults involved in mutual intimacy,” Simenik said.

  • Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I don't think it's possible to post it as a clickable website. I've seen countless people post sites on here, and they're all copy and paste.
    I'll see if I can find time to check out that site. And I apologize for whoever flagged you.

  • Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, the article I was referencing is still below, but here it is at the bottom. I'm not saying all so-called reparative therapists' harm is this bad, but it's certainly worth a look-see. (Sorry I don't know how to post it as a click-able link, so copy it to your browser.)

    http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Winnipeg/2008/02/14/4847839.html

  • Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    nowire
    Please post again. Although I don't agree with you, I don't believe you should be flagged for something like that.

  • Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:49 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flag if you feel you must, but all I did was post what the self-proclaimed Christian conversion therapist did to his "patient" and why he's going to jail, which is hardly a comparison to free speech in Sweden.

  • Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Well I'm glad the preacher's free speech was protected, no matter what he may have said about that biblical story. But I don't think the Christian "therapist" who performed sex acts on his 30-years-younger "client" will get off so easily!

  • Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    NoWire, Thanks for the interesting article:

    “A minister and former Christian college instructor has been found guilty of sexually assaulting a young man who sought counseling after he feared he was homosexual.”

    The FBI actually paid a visit to a pastor in southern Illinois when he had been preaching on Sodom and Gomorrah. I don’t know of you heard about the pastor in Sweden (I believe it was) who had been arrested. I think he was exonerated later.

  • Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:07 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    We need to pray that those people who are under the bondage and curse of homosexuality would realize that they can be free from it. That God is a God of change. He does change people. I'm seen it first hand, how God took someone with a serious chemical imbalance and fixed it. If He can do that, He can change a homosexuals life around.

  • Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:13 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    And here's a related article which I swear I didn't even have to look for, it came up on my Yahoo home page (It's titled "Man found Guilty in gay therapy case." Copy and paste in your browser; and don't shoot the messenger!)

    http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Winnipeg/2008/02/14/4847839.html

  • Tom »
    Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:03 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Actually I heard Johns confession and his asking for and recieving forgiveness. And as far as I know he still is married with kids. Which is a testament to how God can change a person. But even if, even if John had fallen that still does not negate the fact that thousands have change from the gay lifestyle to what is normal man women relationships which is what God has created in all persons. from being a captive of sin to being set free by accepting this Savior in the person of Jesus Christ. Are you ready to start what is prehaps the most important,nay the most important journey one can make? Accepting Him as Lord.
    Gods Blessing
    In Christ
    Tom

  • Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm sure God forgave John P. (not for going into the bar, but for the hypocrisy). But did God John P. change? Nope.

  • Tom »
    Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:44 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Yep and that's the greatness of this God. that we can do some bone head stuff, make mistakes, even sin and he still forgives us, Still loves us, still encourages us to repent and recieve forgiveness. That appears to be foriegn to you nowire but it is what we who call Jesus Lord know. Are you ready sir to turn from your life of sin and pride and seek this God who will forgive you also just like he did for John P, myself, Prophet and million of others, or do just want to wallow in your own mire till the end. Your choice. Jesus is knocking at your door, I'd let Him in if I were you.
    Gods Blessing
    In Christ
    Tom

  • Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Did someone say Exodus International? The same organization whose poster child John Paulk was photographed leaving a gay bar after flirting with a friend of the shutterbug? Yep, the very same.

  • Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:39 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Tom,
    Amen. We need to pray that those people who are under the bondage and curse of homosexuality would realize that they can be free from it. That God is a God of change. He does change people. I'm seen it first hand, how God took someone with a serious chemical imbalance and fixed it. If He can do that, He can change a homosexuals life around.

  • Tom »
    Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:34 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    to everyone go to the exodus international and love won out web sites and see the testimonies of those who hae left the homosexaul lifestyle. Study after study are showing that you can change. The Bible says that God will change you if you are willing to accept His Son Jesus as Lord and Savior. With God all things are possible.
    Gods Blessing
    In Christ
    Tom

  • Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:36 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    To everyone: Go on YouTube, type in the keyword "ex-gay" and see videos from all the people "not harmed" by conversion therapy!!

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Well, I've got a Valentine's date with my wife. I will catch you on the flip flop.

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:07 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    And I suppose you say it's over, because you have no real argument for those types of relationships that I presented. You want gays to have rights, but no one else.

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Who are you to judge what 'marriage" or "love" is? If a man wants to marry his pet, you have no right to place your narrow minded views and opinions on him. You are no better than I.
    And you haven't said anything about incestuous relationships.

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    2 consenting adults differ significantly from an animal and his owner.....Prophet, this argument is really over. Here's the bottom line:

    My belief system is malleable based on existing and new evidence. Yours is strictly rooted in your Christian ideology. That won't change. I'm thankful I live in a secular self-correcting democracy where scientific fact is valued but annoyed that the pace of progress is slower because of less intelligent, uncultured, fable-believing Creationists who hold us at ransom with their voting power. Eventually, your beliefs will be replaced by those of the new "more liberal" Christian generation who will reinretrept "Scripture" in a convenient way that can be harmonized with new scientific evidence. This has happened throughout history and there's no reason it will stop. So, go ahead and stage your protests at gay pride parades. Fight your local school board to remove evolution from the curriculum. And use your vote to stymie scientific progress in Congress. You're a thorn in the side of us secularists, but you will go away eventually.

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    I take it that sddane has no problem with people involved in incestuous and beastial relationships. And as a message to all the homosexual and their advocates, I hope you have no problems with them as well. And I hope that in your "tolerant" nature that you exhude, that you would be more than willing to support them in their attempts to gain the same rights that you desparately seek.

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Shequon,
    Yet.

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    So you admit we don't know EXACTLY what is meant by every single passage for the bible, or why it was written the way it was back then. That is what we have been trying to say all along!!

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    sddane,
    What IS your view on incestuous and beastial relationships?

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    By the way, sddane,
    I hope you don't have any qualms about incestuous relationships. Or beastial relationships.

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Que,

    Amen! That's probably why I've never given it much thought. God has more important things to reveal to me. Like how to attain unto the likeness of His Son, Jesus. How to walk holy. How to offer up my life a sacrifice, and deny the lusts of my flesh. Things that matter in eternity.

    And I like your comment "Although, I suspect I really will have more important things on my mind. :) "
    hahaha...That, I am sure of.

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:56 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    There are those who demand that "one must believe in 6-literal day creationism to truly believe in Christ. "

    Man cannot demand anything of me. God demands my utmost faith and trust in His Only Son. This is all that I am commanded. All other details are as the Spirit leads. I have no opinion on the 6-day creation. It is as it says it is. I don't question, nor feel the need to. It doesn't matter.

    It doesn't matter if it's 6 24 hour days
    It doesn't matter if it's 6 "God" days - whatever that may be
    It doesn't matter if it's 6 10,000 year long "days"
    It doesn't matter.
    God says 6 days. I'll wait til I get to heaven and ask Him EXACTLY what He meant by that, then.
    Although, I suspect I really will have more important things on my mind. :)

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    By the way, sddane,
    I hope you don't have any qualms about incestuous relationships. Or beastial relationships.

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:20 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Well, as I said earlier. I am not going to go over God's view on marraige and sex, because you are carnal and cannot comprehend the things of the Spirit. Nor will I try to help/make you understand. But this I will say: There is more to sex than a physical action.

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:17 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    To be honest, I am still undecided about the age of the earth. I have heard numerous opinions concerning that.
    Some say that creation was a literal 6 day process, which would make the world 4000-5000 years old
    Some say that the Bible speaks of "A day to the Lord is like a thousand years" which leads them to believe the earth is closer to 10,000 years old.
    Some say that the word "day" in Genesis is suppose to be translated "eon" which could make the world eons old (which I'm not sure if I'm inclined to believe since Genesis says that the morning and night made the first day, second day, etc)
    And some say that between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 is a gap of time. That there had been a previous earth before this one, and God reformed it like a potter does with clay. And that fossils and suck are left over from the previous earth.
    Unfortunately, I don't know everything about the Bible, or what God truly meant in Genesis one. But I do know He's real. And I keep searching the scriptures and His Spirit for the truth iof all things. I may never know the truth behind creation until I die and get to see Him face to face.

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    This is just unbelievable.

    And the only way a heterosexual would get AIDS in a marriage is if
    A: He/she contacted it through a blood transfusion, or
    B: He/she is not entirely monogamous as he/she says...which goes back to "responsible sex".

    Responsible sex: A man having sex only with his life-long wife, and no one else.

    So 2 men who engage in responsible sex will get AIDS?

    Is your assessment of human sex really that simplistic? Prophet, you can get a PhD in human sexualty from Harvard. There are thousands of books on the subject. Do you admit knowing more than leading experts?

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    So is the point of coupling (marriage), only to have children?

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:06 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    That is my point. Man cannot procreate alone (or with each other). Women cannot procreate alone (or with each other). Conventional wisdom (with is lacking in this day and age) would say that men need women, and vice-versa to procreate. Anything outside that is abnormal.

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Do you believe in a 6,000 year old Earth?

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:04 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I was just wondering if men, as a whole, had the "hardware" necessary to get pregnant and carry a child to term.

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    God didn't create anything. We evolved. We have over 13 useless body parts that increasingly disappear over time such as wisdom teeth, an appendix, a tailbone, extra musculature underneath the armpits, etc.

    Anyway, what is your point? That men can't procreate alone? Is that your wisdom of the day?

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Did God createwomen in general(or did women evolve, as you would put it) with the ability to get impregnated and carry a baby to term, and give birth to such?

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Did God create men in general(or did men evolve, as you would put it) with the ability to get impregnated and carry a baby to term, and give birth to such?

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Either have infertile couples or the elderly....what's your point?

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:59 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    So, no gay men have ever procreated with each other?

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:59 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    And the only way a heterosexual would get AIDS in a marriage is if
    A: He/she contacted it through a blood transfusion, or
    B: He/she is not entirely monogamous as he/she says...which goes back to "responsible sex".

    Responsible sex: A man having sex only with his life-long wife, and no one else.

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:59 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    sddane,
    What's the statistics of gay men who have gotten pregnant?

    None. What's your point? Their sperm works and given modern technology, they can have children if they want.

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:57 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Well, I have to go. More pressing issues, such as my time with God. I will leave you with this one thing.
    Carnal man will never understand the things of the Spirit. They will always be foolishness to him. And things of the flesh are foolishness to him who walks in the spirit. God is a spirit, and where He is, is where I want to be. God wants to have a relationship with you. But He is holy and sinless. And the deeper you want your relationship to be with Him, the more holy and sinless you will need to be.
    That's what the Bible (especially the NT) is about. How to have a relationship with God.

    I don't want a relationship with an invisible man, .thank you. My time is better spent working, not praying. So please keep your invisible man to yourself. This is a secular country, built upon secular values, not Christian. Let's keep it that way.

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:55 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    sddane,
    What's the statistics of gay men who have gotten pregnant?

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:54 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Nowire,
    "Responsible sex" education is just as bad, if not worse. Both are dependant upon the "free will" (or willingness) to adhere. Teenagers are just as likely to choose not to abstain, as they are likely to choose not to use responsiblity in sex. And I haven't even touched on the emotional and psychological impact of sex outside of marriage. But I won't go there, because carnal people would not understand, nor acknowledge it.

  • Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:54 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Human wisdom: "It's okay for men to have sex with men"
    Result: AIDS, lower life expectancy, more prone to colon cancer, inability to procreate, etc, etc.

    UNBELIEVABLE. Lesbians don't get AIDS. Heterosexuals get AIDS, even in marriage. Inability to procreate? I think their sperm works. This says it all really about your mindset.

    I think I've heard enough. Humanism bad. God good. I have yet to see anything good come from religion (its contributions to progress? any?) while human curiousity and its resultant fruits improves our lives daily and will continue to do so if you religionists weren't so obssessed with death and hell.

    You have to ask yourself some fairly obvious questions. Why are the least religious countries also the wealthiest, healthiest, happiest, and best educated? Do Swedes need God to treat each other with civility and respect? Are France and Norway's high birth rates, pro-family legislation, and extensive maternity leave irreconcilable with their corresponding pro-gay family policies? Why is crime and divorce statiscially lower in more liberal and progressive Blue State America than in the pious South? Does Tokyo need Jesus to post some of the lowest crime rates in the urban world? Why is there no Harvard in Kansas or Alabama? Conversely, the hyper-religious Muslim world suffers from the worst rates of violence, poverty, intolerance, and technological backwardness. Is this a coincidence? Is it not possible that their hostile treatment of women, coupled with a rigid belief system which suggest that all life-related questions are answerable in the Koran and an obsession with the after-life, prevent their societies from harnessing their creative abilities and talent?

    And by the way, are scientists lying? Do they have an agenda? If so, what would that be? Are they biased or subscribe to a particular ideology? As far as I'm concerned, scientists are simply curious about the nature of the world, make observations, formulate hypotheses, and test their veracity. They could care less what religion claims. They are in the pursuit of truth, not defending fairytales like Creationism, Noah's Ark, or the Tower of Babel. Those same scientists which cure diseases, alleviate famines, and make daily discoveries certainly do not fit the profile of immoral heathens who are out to "get religion." Can you imagine what our world would look like today without that human curiousity which so many Bible-believing Christians call Satanic temptation? And plus, if science had conversely proven anything in the Bible, you can bet that Christians would be applauding the scientific community and embracing their conculsions with almost hysterical enthusiasm.

    Why can't you Christians focus on alleviating suffering and increasing happiness rather than obsessing about sex and death and punishment?

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