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Opinion|Tue, Feb. 26 2008 09:02 AM EST

They Love Jesus; They Don’t Like the Church!

By S. Michael Craven|Christian Post Guest Columnist

This generation sees what many are only recently coming to realize; the Church is in a pathetic state of decadence and decay. It is, to a large degree, fragmented, watered-down, and retreating from cultural relevancy. Biblical and theological ignorance, cultural apathy, and social indifference are a plague upon the American Church and what passes for Christianity in many circles is often a mere shadow of historic orthodox Christianity or worse something altogether different.

I recently spoke with a young man who is training to be a pastor. He was absolutely heartbroken and angry at the state of the Church. He laments the culturalized Christianity that surrounds him. He described the Christian culture where he lives as one in which “So many people live their lives avoiding hell instead of seeking the kingdom of God.” I think he makes an excellent point: for many American Christians; the purpose of their faith is ultimately bound up in going to heaven when they die. In the meantime the real world, the one into which Christ’s kingdom has come and is coming is ignored and the Christian’s purpose abandoned. We end up living for ourselves instead of for Christ. As I have said before, the gospel is more than just the personal plan of salvation; it is more accurately as the Lord himself said, the “good news” of the kingdom. The former has led to narrowly programmed evangelism; the latter fulfills the great commission by means of the two greatest commandments.

What concerns me most is that this reaction among young evangelicals is fraught with peril as are all reactive movements. On the one hand they can, in an effort to accommodate the increasingly antagonistic culture, become so generous in their orthodoxy that they compromise the faith. On the other hand, they can become so angry toward the Church that they fall into an un-biblical ecclesiology that encourages revolution instead of reformation. Both movements are in place right now and their respective “leaders” are gaining converts. In either case, the results will no doubt be destructive.

I believe the Lord is awakening many in this generation. They seek an authentic, life-changing relationship with Jesus Christ and they understand His lordship extends to every aspect of life and culture. I can’t tell you how often I encounter this positive spiritual theme and yet it is almost always accompanied by an equal frustration with the present Church.

What is desperately needed is spiritual wisdom that can carefully guide this generation between these two extremes toward real and orthodox reformation. The younger generation can offer insight that can properly contextualize the full gospel in such a way that it is once again relevant and our generation can provide sound guidance that preserves and promotes a love for Christ’s Church and orthodox theology. We must be willing to listen to each other, to learn and work together being of one mind and one spirit. This we must do for the sake of the Church and the next generation.

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S. Michael Craven is the President of the Center for Christ & Culture, a ministry of discipleship and Church renewal that works to equip Christians with an intelligent, thoroughly Christian and missional approach to culture. For more information on the Center for Christ & Culture, additional resources, and other works by S. Michael Craven visit: www.battlefortruth.org

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  • Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    What church? Wesleyan, Methodist, Baptist, Roman Catholic, Berean?, Congregationalist? What issues? What specifically? Sin? What is sin? Is a teenager who took this who's having sex with their boyfriend/girlfriend angry that the bible and say an elder or elder member, or parent might call them on the carpet and call them hateful? What specifically are you all talking about?

  • 1man »
    Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:35 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    I don't know what evangelists are throwing stones, but I wish some would.. . . I personally think that the American church is one the most spoiled rotten, watered down, jellybacked group of believers (as a whole in the christian religion) in the world, find out if Christians in sudan or china that have been martyrd or tortured for their faith had to contextualize their gospel for their culture,America sees nothing it needs to be saved from....read about a couple of churches in Revelation see what kind of attitude it shows they have.

  • Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:34 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Pharisees is what organized religion produces. I was in "the church" for 20 years and didn't realize I was one of the biggest religious Pharisees on 2 feet. It took 2 years to get organized religion out of me. I now understand grace and no longer labor under the guilt that going to church every time the door was open produced in me. I cringe when I think back on the way I treated my family and others I thought not as spiritual and in tuned with God as I was. I learned to share my faith only with those who's heart has been prepared by the Spirit to receive it . And yes we are to JUDGE the ACTIONS of brothers and sisters not those in and of world. Actually judging the actions of leadership is one on the reasons I no longer attend organized religious meetings.

  • Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:11 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    if the church has become like a secular corporation, who heads those churches - tele evangelist/ pastors. they have become pharisees bec. nobody dares to rebuke them or these tele evangelist/pastors do not want to be rebuked. to them everything it is an insult to their holiness, self righteousness, that is why their respond is 'ye notjudge me' that is why they do not have any compassion, mercy, forgiveness or understanding & knowledge of what the reality is. the first words that come out of their mouths is sin or the reason for the suffering of man is sin. see how unreasonable they are! yet they practice the very sin that they cast the stone on others. I am really turned off with christianity bec. of their irrational, arrogant approach to the issues that cause pain & suffering of people. they could not explain specifically how a problem or issue will be solved. their answer is SIN. finally, they (christians, pastors, tele evangelist) would add more insult to injury. they would put more suffering, more weight on people's shoulder bec. of the very problem that exists in their hearts which arrogance & self-righteousness.

    THE PHARISEES WERE SO CONFIDENT OF THEIR RIGHTEOUSNESS THAT THEY LOOK DOWN ON PEOPLE.

  • Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:11 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    The Christian religion has changed like a secular corporation, lost the compassion to the
    suffering world, and lost the humility of the person who was born in the manger. There are
    a lot of great and compassionate Christians with the heart of Jesus, but the religion in a
    broader sense has lost the value and purpose. This may be the right time for a reformation
    in the Chrisian Churches.

  • Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:19 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    This is how I see it. Christianity's image and presentation has changed over the centuries since Jesus' time; it has adapted to the culture and needs of the people. And now, it seems that another round of adaptation is needed in order to make the message relevant to the upcoming generation. It doesn't mean you have to change the fundamental message, but you do need to work on the presentation.

    The evangelical media, the fire/brimstone pulput, now turns young people off. As is evidenced by the Obama phenomenon in politics, young people want a new approach, not outdated rhetoric. You can witness the same Gospel, use the same text, but find a fresh way to inspire a passion for the message.

  • Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:14 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    to quecat - that is the problem with christians, they do not know the difference between judging & rebuking. they see everything broad & generalized & they deal with issues vague, constant & fixed. but life is complex & has many variables.
    christians think they are superior to everyone bec. they think they are sinless, holy & perfect. but the very issues they criticize, they break their own rules, & then defend themselves.

  • Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:53 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    "This younger generation of Christians is simply and rightfully frustrated by the fact that this very real condition serves to inhibit their efforts to share the love of Christ with others."

    This statement seems to place the burden of not being able to share the Gospel on anyone other than the individual themselves. Advocates of this belief say that unless Christianity becomes more appealing and less appalling, then people will continue to be disinterested in knowing Jesus Christ as Lord. Each one of us is responsible for sharing the Gospel Message and no matter where we go no one can ever take that ministry away from us. The Apostle Paul and our Lord Jesus Christ as well as other martyrs have demonstrated this for us. We don’t need another Christian to be less antagonistic for us to share the Gospel, we need the Holy Spirit to guide us and give us the boldness to not be ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    It sounds like there’s a formula that needs to be concocted in order for the stars to be aligned and then people will come by the droves to accept Jesus as Lord. The problem is that our churches have forsaken biblical doctrine and practice in favor of being more appealing. I’m against Christians becoming obnoxious, but what I do believe is communicating a wholistic Gospel that includes judgment and love and healing and if its not accepted, I shake the dust off my feet and move on, realizing that the work of the Holy Spirit has not brought that person to a point where they are prepared to admit they are a sinner in need of God's forgiveness and prepared to repent of sin and turn to Christ.

    "The younger generation can offer insight that can properly contextualize the full gospel in such a way that it is once again relevant and our generation can provide sound guidance that preserves and promotes a love for Christ’s Church and orthodox theology."

    It's not up to us to make Christianity "relevant"; however, it is every born again believer's responsibility to be faithful to the Scriptures and communicate its message without apology. Since when did the salvation of another and the following of Jesus Christ require that Christianity become relevant? The very people who submit that relevance is a requirement have forsaken the role of the Holy Spirit and have forgotten the very texts within the Bible that present the work of God as something irrelevant to the lost until they personally encounter God Himself, who reveals to them their own sin and need of dependence on Him. It seems to me as though many sincere believers have made a subtle and costly move in becoming relevant to the lost. They have moved in to take over the role of the Holy Spirit.

  • Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:43 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    "There's a big difference between being strong in one's faith vs active abuse of it.
    Explain please."

    Being strong in one's faith means you don't need to browbeat people to get them to see the good of Christianity. It means your example sets the tone, and they are not threatened by challenges to their beliefs; indeed, they welcome the opportunity to set the record straight.

    "Active abuse" means that antagonistic, insecure people are using Christianity as a means to dominate and control those around them, rather than being a spiritual mentor. They are extremely threatened by any challenge to their beliefs, and react accordingly.

  • Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:22 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    There's a big difference between being strong in one's faith vs active abuse of it.
    Explain please.

  • Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:27 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    The bible speaks in many places about using sound judgment and "reproving" others, urging them to turn from their sin.

    Does the New Testament teach believers to not judge? Jesus did say: "Judge not, that you be not judged" (Mat. 7:1) but Jesus gave that teaching to hypocrites (Mat. 7:5). for He specifically commands His followers to judge:

    Hypocrisy= The act of pretending to oppose a belief or behaviour while holding the same beliefs or behaviours at the same time.

    John 7:24 "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

    1Cr 5:9-13 "I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people–
    not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters (worshippers of false gods). In that case you would have to leave this world.
    But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who CALLS HIMSELF A BROTHER,but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater (woshipper of false gods) or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
    What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church?
    Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”

    If a Christian is struggling with sin and "doing that which he wills not to do" - we are admonished to bear with one another and encourage each other in the faith.

    Hbr 10:24-25 "And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds. Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another–and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

    On the other hand, If someone wants to sit in the church and call himself a Christian and yet defiantly walk in sin, he most certainly will be judged by his fellows.

  • Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:05 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Christian aren't force feeding anyone."

    I never said Christians as a general rule. I said particular churches or family members. There's a big difference between being strong in one's faith vs active abuse of it.

  • Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:37 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    to teddyrux - oh, so if the sins of christians (including pastors) are exposed, are they going to admit it & be humble to change their ways or are they going to use that defense 'ye not judge?'
    i have heard that before, christians are quick to point to your sins, but if it is their sins that are exposed, 'YE NOT JUDGE' is their defense! oh how hypocritical
    and by the way, the reason why people missed the blessings & opportunities is bec. of 'judging' attitudes of christians. they shove the bible down your throat & tell you that everything you do is sin. I wonder where grace is when who you are & what you are is pointed to SIN!

  • Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:34 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Coming from the pagan perspective, I can tell you from personal experience that the main reason given by new pagans for leaving Christianity is the force-feeding and intolerance of their particular church or family members. They felt as if their questions were ignored, their personal needs trivialized. In essence, they didn't feel that Jesus' approach to fellow human beings was even in the equation.

    Christian aren't force feeding anyone. Everyone wants salvation but want it their way. ..Sorry Charlie, it not going to be your way. God is not going to allow you to do what you want and get in. People start out with God like Israel did when Moses took them out of bondage. But they complained over and over again because God was not doing what they wanted. They felt... Moses was not hearing their feelings. God is trying to lead you but your feelings are getting in the way. Why people feel force fed is because of ignorance. Ignorance that God does not know what He is doing. They asked for freedom; God tells them you've got to labor to recieve your freedom. You've got to do some of the work. Remember, The laborer is worthy of the reward.

  • Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:46 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Coming from the pagan perspective, I can tell you from personal experience that the main reason given by new pagans for leaving Christianity is the force-feeding and intolerance of their particular church or family members. They felt as if their questions were ignored, their personal needs trivialized. In essence, they didn't feel that Jesus' approach to fellow human beings was even in the equation.

    Christianity, following Jesus' example, is a fine faith. But there are many who choose control over love, and that is turning off your young people in droves. Take it from someone who sees the end result - present your faith with a loving hand, rather than an overbearing one, and you will see a vast improvement in the image of the church and the religion of Christianity.

  • Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I beleive that much of the negativity that is associated with the church stems from the face that is projected by and to the media. The media loves sensationalistic stories about cults like the Westboro people or when a TV minister gets caught breaking the law or sinning or when some prominent church member is found to be a crook. All of these people combined represent a very small percentage of Christians but yet their negative influence is way out of proportion for their actual numbers. And many of today's people's opinons are heavily influenced by the way the mass media portrays them. If the media were to go after Muslims, Jews, Buddhists or atheists with the same diligence and attitude they would be called bigoted or worse. Their members would protest such treatment and the politically correct mentality would demand an abject apology and the author's termination. We are the biggest targets in America. But we are God's people and as such we should hold ourselves to a higher standard. We should also hold our leaders to a higher standard and not make excuses for their behavior.

  • Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    - "When they stand before God one day, he is not going to accept their excuses about how they ignored Him because Christians are not perfect."

    - 'These are some, of who Christ will say at the judgment "Depart from me, I never knew you".
    They will say, "But Lord, Lord!, Did we not...(insert your good work here) ...in your name?"
    and again Christ shall say "Depart from me, I never knew you".'

    I don't know if these are the kinds of statements that the people surveyed had in mind, but I have to admit that this sounds like extreme arrogance to me. No matter how well someone knows the bible, I still don't accept that they have any business putting themselves in the place of God and making such definitive statements about what is going to happen on Judgment Day.

    Quecat, maybe it will be you who the Lord doesn't recognize at the end. Maybe it will be me. Maybe it will be all of us. We just don't know. All of us are sinners, and we need to have some humility about that fact. Truthfulwitness, maybe you'll be the one making excuses. Maybe the Lord will be especially hard on you because you were so outspoken here on earth.

  • Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:55 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    we need the prescence of the Holy Spirit to sweep this nation like a flood, to bring revival to dead dry bones, and to usher in a great spiritual awakening in this country. until the church relies on the holy spirit and the word of God, we will cease to be the hands and feet of Christ.how is condemning sinners sharing the love of Christ, being his hands his words his truth. that is just like the pharisees and saducees who were so 'sad u see". the body of christ needs to fall on their face and repent, be filled with the spirit, and spread the LOVE OF CHRIST.

  • Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:15 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    lol the opinions of the people commenting on this news post are exactly the type of people that turn me off to religion. There are many people my age who I am able to get along with if i give them the chance, but then i meet people like you and i almost forget why i ever give christians the light of day. You guys are horrible at interacting with people, and i hope you change your tactics.

  • Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mikehow

    Did you miss the part where I said "Christians do not condemn non-believers. That is God's prerogative and he's not shared it with us."? Christians are supposed to judge both non-believers and believers. Not judge in the legal sense, which is how God judges us. But we are supposed to judge non-believers, which is why were not supposed to "throw pearls before swine".

    When you say "christian", you are not referring to a member of the Body of Christ. You're referring to someone who says he's a christian but isn't. A Christian know that he's not holy, or sinless. I'm all to aware of my sin and of how much of an abomination it is to God. I am eternally thankful that God, in His providence and good pleasure, chose me. I'm not perfect, sinless, holy or humble, but I'm trying to get there.

  • Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:32 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    IExcuses, Excuses. I don't like the music, I don't like the preacher, all Christians are hypocrites, Christians are jugdmental on and on and on and on. Why don't these people just come out and say it. They want to sleep in on Sunday and they don't want God to be in charge of their lives. They might have to give up some of the garbage they are involved in. We should quit catering to these people and let God deal with them. When they stand before God one day, he is not going to accept their excuses about how they ignored Him because Christians are not perfect.

  • Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I just ran acroos a great quote from an Episcopal Priest that I think fits this. " As Christians, our determiner of right and wrong is Scripture. We are people of the book." Some will abuse that on the side of being judgemental, but scripture deals with that. Some will reject that because they do not want to hear the truth, and scripture deals with that as well. We must establish a relationship with those around and share the love of Jesus with them, and then show the importance of being part of the local body. The local body where that is the focus will go along way in causing those folks to want to be a part of the church.

  • Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mikehow: re:"holy and sinless"

    You then, sir, have a poor understanding of what it means to be Christian.

    To truly be a Christian one would readily admit: 1 Tim 1:15 " Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners–of whom I am the worst."

    That being the case, we are not to equivocate about or gloss over sin. Our commission is to preach repentance to a dying world. We are daily to take up the cross, die to our own selfish motives, walk in the path that the Lord has set before us and reach out to others and bid them embrace the gospel.
    God viewing us from the eternal, through the blood of His Son, may see us as sanctified, but so long as we are in this world, we are yet a work in progress.
    Phil 1:6 "..being confident of this, that He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus."

  • Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    to teddyrux - christians do not condemn non-believers but christians are suppose to be judgemental. you contradict your own statement.
    so if a christian should be judgemental then they condemn non-believers bec. they are quick to point to sin. yet the very sin they point to, christians do not practice what they what they tell others to change.
    I remember what pat robertson & jerry falwell said after 911, the liberals, homosexuals were the cause of that tragedy. isn't that condemning?
    when christians are judgemental, they think they are holy, sinless, & perfect, that makes them 'looking good for jesus.' like the pharisees, who are so confident of their 'righteouness'
    in a nutshell a christian would say this 'I am holy, & sinless.'

  • Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:54 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    2Ti 4:2-4 "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
    And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

    2Th 2:1-3 " Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
    Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition..."

    There is the apparent exodus from traditional churches and there is an unseen exodus.
    What is apparent is that many mainline churches are watering down the gospel and are unwilling to preach against sin for fear of alienating unrepentant congregants. This leads to the "apparent" exodus of those who yearn for biblical, sound doctrinal teaching, leaving in favor of small non-denominational fellowships and house-churches.

    The unseen exodus is those pew-sitters who have lost their way and are chasing after teachers that will advise them how to "live their best life now" or give them some other seemingly "relevant" but useless guidance. There is no call to holiness, there is no desire for holiness. There is simply "having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof".

    These are some, of who Christ will say at the judgment "Depart from me, I never knew you".
    They will say, "But Lord, Lord!, Did we not...(insert your good work here) ...in your name?"
    and again Christ shall say "Depart from me, I never knew you".

    Mark 7:6b "...This people honoureth me with [their] lips, but their heart is far from me. "

  • Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:36 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    This appears to be a growing sentiment among many younger Christians in America today. They love Jesus but they want little to do with His Church. It’s not that they don’t like the their local church or even other Christians—it’s that they don’t like how Christianity in America is frequently represented by many professing Evangelicals, which in their minds is often unloving, judgmental, arrogant, and hypocritical.

    They are lost and do not understand.
    2 Peter 1:1-3
    But there were also false prophets among the people, even as thre will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
    And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.
    By Covetness the will Exploit you with Deceptive words; for a long time there judgement has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.

    2 Timothy 3:16-17
    All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is Profitable for Doctrine, for Reproof, for Correction; for Instruction in Righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, throughly equipped for every good work.

    Proverbs 12:1
    Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge, But he who hates correction is stupid.

    2 Chronicles 36:16
    But they mocked the messengers of God, despised His words and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against His people, till there was no remedy.

  • Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:55 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    mikehow

    You make some very general statements that lead me to think you're not a Christian. Yes I an questioning your salvation. Christians aren't a bunch of hypocrites. Christians do not have a "tithe mentality" (Whatever that means.) Christians do talk about sin, because sin is why Christ came to die. Christians are judgmental and we're supposed to be. Read Matthew 7:1-6. I'm not sure what "look good for Jesus" means. Christians do not condemn non-believers. That is God's prerogative and he's not shared it with us.

    There are people who claim to be Christians but aren't who are exactly they way you described them. A Christian is a part of the body of Christ, someone who understands what Paul means when he says he's the "chief of sinners". Someone who believes that Christ died on the cross for their sins and is God.

  • Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:58 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Haven't I seen this same article rewritten dozen of times over? Same song, new stanza.

    "The chief error today in the church is that experiences (feelings, emotions, passions, intuitions, etc.) have become the guide for entering into and attempting to establish true spirituality. Rather than subjective feelings and emotions being present as a result of one’s adherence to sound doctrine, they have become the judge of whether or not something is truly Christian.
    Instead of testing a teaching or practice or situation by the Word of God, the arbiter becomes “how one feels about it.” This puts the human imagination in the seat of judgment. That thought alone should provoke an emotion in the heart of every Bible-believing Christian: sheer horror! Doctrinally however, it’s even more frightening.

    Twice in the Book of Proverbs, in almost exactly the same terms, we are told, “There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death” (Proverbs 14:12; 16:25). In other words, if a man goes by what he thinks or feels, independently of and in opposition to what God has declared, the consequences for him will only generate destruction. Death is separation, the spirit and soul from the body; moreover, the ways of death include separating man from the light of God’s truth. “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them” (Isaiah 8:20).

    Call it "relevance" call it "emergent" call it "experiential" - the bible refers to it as apostasy.
    The way is narrow, Christ's claims are exclusive and God is the intolerant one, intolerant of sin.
    Repent!

    Maranatha.

  • Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:43 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    One of the problems is that some of our "leaders" have apparently decided that the religion we all share is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Republican party. And those same "leaders" have become obsessed with the worldly power that comes to them because of this political alliance.

  • Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:35 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    ...MANY PROFESSING Evangelicals, which in their minds is often UNLOVING, JUDGEMENTAL, ARROGANT, and HYPOCRITICAL!!!!

    YES THEY ARE!!

    bec. christians ARE a bunch of hypocrites, WHO WANT TO LOOK GOOD FOR JESUS. The first words that come out of their mouth is SIN. christians condemn non-believers. Remember pat robertson & jerry falwell who said that the cause of 911 were the liberals, homosexuals & gays. those words are immature, & childish. that is why non-believers are turned off with christians who get their teachings from stupid pastors & tele evangelist. pastors & tele evangelist are ignorant bec they do not work, they do not deal with the daily realities of life. THEY HAVE A TITHE MENTALITY. all they know is religion. they do not have any relationship skills, or any skills at all. they are just experts in the law & are arrogant self righteous & hypocritical like the pharisees. they SPEAK of humility yet they do not practice it, they SPEAK of 'self-denial' yet they do not practice it, they speak of 'christ'like' yet they do not practice it.

    Look at the republican party or the party of god. they think & behave that they are holy sinless, & they are the only party blessed by god. everybody else is dirty, decadent & deserve the punishment of god.

    if you find this comment judgemental, well the pharisees, experts in the law existed in the bible & the first thing that came out of their mouths are 'SIN, you failed to do this or that'!

    good night & good luck!!!

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