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Evangelical Leaders: Jews Need Jesus Christ

By Ethan Cole|Christian Post Reporter

Dozens of prominent evangelical leaders recently endorsed a statement declaring a fact that many Christians already hold to be true – that Jewish people need the Gospel and Jesus Christ to receive eternal life.

The statement, sponsored by the World Evangelical Alliance, expressed friendship and love for the Jewish people, but unapologetically declared that salvation comes only through Jesus Christ.

“We want to make it clear that, as evangelical Christians, we do not wish to offend our Jewish friends by the above statements; but we are compelled by our faith and commitment to the Scriptures to stand by these principles,” read the evangelical statement on “The Gospel and the Jewish People.”

An ad with the statement appeared in the New York Times on March 28 and will appear in other major secular newspapers and several Christian magazines throughout April and May.

“It is out of our profound respect for Jewish people that we seek to share the good news of Jesus Christ with them, and encourage others to do the same, for we believe that salvation is only found in Jesus, the Messiah of Israel and Savior of the World,” the statement continued.

Some of the key declarations made by the statement include:

• A pledge of commitment to be loving friends and to stand against injustices against the Jewish people. At the same time, affirming the belief that the most loving and Scriptural expression of friendship towards Jewish people, and anyone called a friend, is to candidly share the love of God in the person of Jesus Christ

• Affirming the belief that only through Jesus that all people can receive eternal life. If Jesus is not the Messiah of the Jewish people, He cannot be the Savior of the World (Acts 4:12)

• Recognizing that it is good and right for those with specialized knowledge, history and skills to use these gifts to introduce individuals to the Messiah, and that includes those ministries specifically directed to the Jewish people ( I Corinthians 9:20-22)

• Denouncing the use of deception of coercion in evangelism but rejecting the notion that it is deceptive for followers of Jesus Christ who were born Jewish to continue to identify as Jews (Romans 11:1)

“Increasingly, Jewish evangelism is being marginalized and even dismissed as irrelevant, inappropriate, unethical or deceptive by some segments of the church,” commented Dr. Geoff Tunnicliffe, the CEO and international director of WEA, regarding the statement. “This statement is an attempt to speak to the evangelical community about the biblical basis for sharing their faith with all people, including Jews.

“It is our hope that it will be received in the spirit it is intended by the non-evangelicals who see it,” he added.

Tunnicliffe explained that the statement is made out of friendship and respect for the Jewish people, as well as out of a commitment to stand with the Jewish people who have suffered mistreatment “simply for being Jewish.”

“And that part of our friendship and care and respect is shown in our commitment to share the love of God in Christ whom we believe is their Savior as well as ours,” he said.

Evangelical Christian leaders who affirmed the statement include the Rev. Dr. Lon Allison, director of the Billy Graham Center; Dr. Mark Bailey, president of Dallas Theological Seminary; Doug Birdsall, executive chair of Lausanne Committee for World Evangelization; Dr. Yonggi Cho, senior pastor of Yoido Full Gospel Church in Seoul, South Korea; Chuck Colson, founder of Prison Fellowship; Dr. Jerry B. Jenkins, owner of Christian Writers Guild; Dr. Haddon Robinson, president of Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary; Gordon Showell-Rogers, general secretary of European Evangelical Alliance; and Dr. Lon Solomon, pastor of McLean Bible Church in McLean, Va., who is Jewish.

The World Evangelical Alliance is a 162-year-old global network of evangelical churches and organizations with members in 128 nations and claiming to represent more than 420 million evangelical Christians.

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  • Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:54 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Response to chicago24 below:
    Christians believe people have always been saved by faith in God. Like Abraham who believed and trusted God, and his faith was credited to him as reightousness. Now that the Messiah, Jesus the Christ has come for the first time, salvation in by faith in Jesus Christ alone. Scriptures are clear that there is no other name by which we can be saved. Thankfully, Jesus Christ is coming for a second time.

    Hope Page: http://itsallaboutjesusnotme.blogspot.com

  • Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    What about all the people that were born and had died before Christ? I've often wanted to know how these Christian evangelicals account for them.

  • Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Help solve the puzzle. When Jesus made the Fig Tree wither in Jerusalem that it has no fruit, were the village Fig Trees also did not have fruit at that time of the year? Do Fig Trees bear fruit all the year round or there is a season please?

    Rajinder

    Hi,

    Copy of email sent to a Media Christian web site not disclosing the information unless you pay them. What type of God they are worshipping?

    I see that the information is hidden in Mammon. So, your services are not God orientated but Mammon. No wonder you glorify the soldiers who died fighting for Empire and you proclaim to have died for God and glorified Him. Your Bible and Hymn Books have Copyrights in Mammon, then how could they sing the praises of God? You mean people with no common sense called holy spirit. How could you love Gospel of God? Here are some Gospel Videos on Youtube and no wonder you hate them.

    Atomic War is around the corner and you still worship Mammon? How could hireling Priests sing the praises of God when Mammon is their Master? Was my anointed Elder Brother Christ Jesus or the tyrant Saul, a hireling of Mammon? Both were devoted to God. Can I expect that you would promote my Gospel Videos given for FREE?

    Hi Brethren in Christ Jesus and Christ Nanak Dev Ji,

    I have put over 220 Videos on Youtube; 26 rendering Exposition of the Gnostic Gospel of St.Thomas, 68 in Punjabi on Satguru Nanak Dev Ji, Christ Jesus and other Indian religious aspects and the rest on the expositions of the important Parables of the New Testament and my articles. These Videos would give thorough understanding of all the aspects of Christianity and Sikhism with introductions to Judaism, Hinduism and Real Islam of Allah.

    Gospel is received by grace of God and not by works. My lectures are free. University professors and the dog collared clerics, they hold monopoly over religion and they are like the dogs sitting in the manger not allowing any one else to eat the spiritual food. If you like my views, please pass my email to others interested in Gospel. Gospel is for the solitary twice born seekers and not for the psychic hirelings of Mammon for they cannot preach the Gospel of God but rather teach the sugar-coated sermons of Mammon. You do not accept payment in Mammon if you want Gospel Treasures from God.

    My expositions are original in spirit that is mostly unknown to the people of the West. My challenge may seem very odd to most of you but just listen to them for the curiosity’s sake.

    Here are couple on Easter:-

    1. Why the Fig Tree was made to wither :- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8m235LjFOU
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    I can explain the Parables in details in Lectures and the whole New Testament, I can explain in a couple of weeks.

  • Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:44 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    John 14: 6
    Jesus answered, I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

    - And we also unapologetically declared that salvation comes only through Jesus Christ, including for the Jews

    Warm regards to Star

  • Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:43 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Shrdlu42,

    "By the way, DannyPoo, calling oneself a ‘Jew for Jesus’ makes about as much sense as my calling myself a ‘Christian without Christ’. Such doctrines as ‘Original Sin’, ‘Salvation through Grace’, and the Incarnation are a blasphemy to Judaism."

    On the contrary, to be Christian is, in a sense, to be fully Jewish. The aposltes, Mary, Paul, and the first several thousand believers in Jesus as Messiah and Savior were Jewish.

    "And the Jewish concept of the Messiah is nothing like the Christian one."

    Which is why many of the Jews missed it. And actually, the 'Christian' concept of the Messiah IS the Jewish one as Paul or Tarsus beautifully reasoned and demonstrated from the OT scriptures.

  • Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:32 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Shrdlu42


    The evangelical organization that terms themself as "Jews for Jesus" consits of Jews who have come to realize that Jesus Christ is the promised Messiah and they have chosen to follow Him.

    The most Jewish thing a Jew can do is to place their trust in the Jesus Christ the promised Messiah and follow Him. When he/she does, the Jew hasn't lost his/her Jewishness. Instead heshe has gained it for it completes him/her as a Jew.

  • Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:20 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Shrdlu42

    I am sorry that there were Christians that took out full page ads during Purim explaining how the Jewish religion is wrong. These Christians were not showing the agape love that God requires of them as defined in 1 Corinthians 13:4-7.

    You will never be good enough for God. One unforgiven sin will separate you from God just like it did when Adam and Even sinned in the Garden of Eden.

    Hear the Word of the Lord,

    "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousness is as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away." (Isaiah 64:6)

    We obtain our righteousness before God by believing Him.

    Romans 4: 1-5

    1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

    2 For if Abraham were jusified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

    3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was accounted unto him for righteousness.

    4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

    5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

    If you have faith in the promises of God then you will follow through with obedience as Abraham did when he offered his only son Issac up for a sacrifice as God had commanded him.

    Christians sometimes get the idea that once they become born-again by accepting
    Christ's atoning sacrifice on the cross for their sins that they don't have any more obligation to the Lord. That is not true.

    God requires that believers walk in obedience to Him to obtain eternal life (Hebrews 5:9). This is what one calls Lordship.

    God requires of the believer to live godly lives.

    Titus 2:11-12

    11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

    12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and wordly lust, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world.

    God's Word also says

    "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord." (Hebrews 12:14)

    Many Christians live their life like the world does. This should not be. They cause the world to blaspheme our God. God's Word speaks against His people living like the devil.

    Jesus is the passover Lamb that saves you from the judgment of God. Just like the Israelites were spared God's judgment in Egypt when the death Angel passed over because they obeyed God and sprinkled the blood of the lamb over their door posts and lintels, we are spared from God's judgment for our sins when we die if we believe God that Jesus paid for our sins and rose from the dead and accept His sacrifice for us. When we do, the shed blood of the Lamb is applied to our hearts and we are spared from God's judgment for our sins when we die.

  • Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:19 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    I wonder how Christians would react if during one of their important holidays (Purim was in March) the Jews took out full page ads explaining why their religion is false and contrary the Holy Scriptures (Old Testament to you). Would they ‘feel the love’? I doubt it.

    Fortunately, that’s not going to happen. Unlike some versions of Christianity, which emphasize faith, Judaism emphases conduct. Ethics is the central concern of the religion, and our worth, our righteousness, is determined by how we treat each other, not by what doctrine we profess. Of course, Jews would prefer it if the world would acknowledge Adonai Elohenu, but we don’t require it. “The righteous of the earth have an equal share in the life to come” is a central tenet of Judaism, and it’s one of the reasons why (with all its faults) I prefer the faith of my Fathers (and Mothers).

    By the way, DannyPoo, calling oneself a ‘Jew for Jesus’ makes about as much sense as my calling myself a ‘Christian without Christ’. Such doctrines as ‘Original Sin’, ‘Salvation through Grace’, and the Incarnation are a blasphemy to Judaism. And the Jewish concept of the Messiah is nothing like the Christian one.

  • Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:39 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    While the Abrahamic covenant could be regarded as eternal (since as Christians, we are considered children of the promise), the covenant made through Moses cannot be considered eternally valid (for anyone, Jew or Gentile). The Mosaic covenant has clearly been abrogated as testified by the scriptures (e.g., Rom 7:1-25; 2 Cor 3:4-18; Gal 3:10-11; 4:21-31; Eph 2:15; Heb 7:18; 8:7-8, 13; 10:9). Paul goes to great pains to contrast the covenant made with Abraham and the covenant made through Moses.

    We should err on the side of caution and presume that the faith of the Jews is not implicit just as St. Paul does, which is why Paul would have considered himself cursed by Christ if possible for the sake of his kinsmen that he might save some of them. This would be quite drastic if he were assuming that the Jews faith were implicit and are saved apart from Jesus Christ.

    The Jewish people are beloved of God on account of the patriarchs; for as Paul says, “They are Israelites; theirs the adoption [as sons], the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; theirs the patriarchs, and from them, according to the flesh, is the Messiah” (Rom 9:4-5). “For the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable” (Rom 11:29), which is precisely why the proclamation of the new and everlasting covenant in Christ Jesus must be clear and unambiguous – for both Jew and Gentile. “For they (the Israelites), if they do not remain in their unbelief, will be grafted in again, for God is able to graft them in again” (Rom 11:23).

  • Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Share the good news about Jesus through videos, pictures, and scriptures.
    http://itsallaboutjesusnotme.blogspot.com

  • Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:00 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    ::begin quote::
    I'm just waiting for the day that people put down the bible and embrace others for who they are and what they believe in. We all worship the same God; if Christians want to claim that Jesus, through the New Testament, is the way to God - great for Christians; if Jews want to believe that they are the chosen people of God and the Torah is the main belief, great for Jews; if Muslims believe in the Qu'ran and practices of Muhammad, great for Islamic people.. the list goes on. All these 'statements' and 'endorsements' and conferences, good grief- no one has a right to say how others should be saved.
    ::end quote::

    blue1018, I appreciate your attempt at religious pluralism. However by attempting to be all inclusive and making the statement "no one has a right to say how others should be saved. ". You are making exclusive statements about salvation. In essense, by attempting to be all inclusive, you become exclusive. Because your statements excludes anyone of a faith that disagrees with your statement.

    True religious pluralism is where many religions can interact, mingle, and not become violent or degrading of eachother. The goal of a society should not be to prevent religions from converting eachother, but to encourage true tolerance. I am not talking about the "new tolerance" where everyone says "what you believe is good, and what I believe is good", that's not tolerance, that's acceptance. Tolerance is where you disagree with something and allow that something to exist. This is what we should strive for.

    If instead of striving for tolerance, we strive for acceptance, someone or some group eventually becomes rejected. Usually the group that is being tolerant.

  • Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:28 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." (Romans 1:16)

  • Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:21 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    “For the church to evangelize the world without thinking of the Jews[ish people], is like a bird trying to fly with one broken wing.” – Franz Delitzsch (19th Century German theologian)

  • Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:19 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    One more thing, too, while I'm at it. On the topic of "Hell".

    Hell isn't so much a place as it is a "state" or "state of being". Hell is eternal separation from God. It isn't a literal place of fire and brimstone with devils standing around with pointy horns and pointy tails and pointy pitchforks stoking up the fires and poking the wayward lost soul every now and again.

    Hell is a place created by God for the devil and his angels. It is also the place he will consign those who die without accepting Christ as their savior (because none die righteous unless they die cloaked in Christ). Keep this perspective in mind, it's important: God doesn't *put people in hell*. People *choose to go to hell* of their own free will. The purpose of hell is so that God can honor the free will of human beings. We aren't robots. He doesn't make us love him or force us to bow down to him. If someone dies, choosing to ignore the gospel, ignore God, or worse, despising God and wanting nothing to do with Him, then hell is the place created so that he can honor their choice.

    The problem is, the only sustenance for our souls, that deep inner hunger that all of us have, each and every one of us walking this planet - the only thing to fill that empty place in our soul that cries out to us when we're lying in our bed at night staring up into that dark void above our beds...that sustenance is God, that joy to fill our empty soul is Christ. Being united with the Triune God is all that will or can fill that hunger we all have (and that we try to fill up here in this world with material things).

    So what is hell then? Hell is being completely separated from that one thing that can fill the emptiness inside us. Hell is knowing that the fullness of joy - a joy we cannot even imagine - is forever denied, all the while knowing what and where heaven is. And knowing it for eternity.

  • Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:08 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    P.S. The Bible also tells us, "shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?" as well as, "it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God."

    Read the book of Job. Look what happens to Job. When Job finally complains to God, read God's reply to Job, starting in Chapter 38:

    Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the storm. He said:

    2 "Who is this that darkens my counsel
    with words without knowledge?

    3 Brace yourself like a man;
    I will question you,
    and you shall answer me.

    4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?
    Tell me, if you understand.

    5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
    Who stretched a measuring line across it?

    6 On what were its footings set,
    or who laid its cornerstone-

    7 while the morning stars sang together
    and all the angels shouted for joy? ...

    Read the whole thing. God basically says to Job, "who are you to question me?". We don't see things from outside of time and space, outside of creation, as God sees them. God knows the beginnings and the ends and only he knows the why.

  • Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:02 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    Howard--

    Okay, I'll answer you. First, I don't think any Christian "assumes" that all 6 million Jews who died in the Holocaust went to hell. They gauge their perception on what Jesus said, but God in his infinite mercy can do whatever he wants. No one can say what anyone's eternal judgment is. Christians can only go by the words of the man they believe was the Messiah, the Son of God, the second person of the Trinity.

    Second, according to Jesus, no one comes to the Father but through him. He is called the "righteous judge" who sits at the right hand of the Father and it is Christ, utlimately, whom Christians believe will be the judge of mankind at the end of time. It is Christ who decides one's eternal fate, therefore all a Christian can do is point to the words of Christ.

    Jesus said that he is, "the Way, the Truth and the Life and no one comes to the Father but through me." (John 14:6). He repeatedly, throughout the gospels, declares himself the only way to the Father, the only source of eternal life, the only source of salvation. The apostles reiterate these claims, and then some, within Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Colossians, Philipians, James, 1 Peter, 1 John, and Revelation.

    Third, no one is righteous before God simply due to their suffering. Whether in the Holocaust, or dying of cancer in a hospital, physical suffering does not somehow make one righteous before God. "No one is righteous, not one". "No one seeks good", our works are as "filthy rags" before the Lord. Did any of those Jews who died in the Holocaust ever lie? steal? commit adultery? fornicate? bear false witness? envy? lust? hate? cheat? break God's Law? All of them did, at least one of those things, because Isaiah says so - no human being is without sin. And that's all God views. He sees sin. Period. Our suffering doesn't somehow ennoble us, or buy us out of sin. Only *one* person's suffering could ever do that, and that was the Messiah who died on the cross. Without accepting his suffering and sacrifice as payment for our sins, our sin remains on us. So that is how I would tell you to view the Holocaust issue (at least it's how Christians view it). God's way isn't our way. God sees only sin, and nothing sinful can come into his presence. Period.

  • Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 8

    I'm just waiting for the day that people put down the bible and embrace others for who they are and what they believe in. We all worship the same God; if Christians want to claim that Jesus, through the New Testament, is the way to God - great for Christians; if Jews want to believe that they are the chosen people of God and the Torah is the main belief, great for Jews; if Muslims believe in the Qu'ran and practices of Muhammad, great for Islamic people.. the list goes on. All these 'statements' and 'endorsements' and conferences, good grief- no one has a right to say how others should be saved.

  • Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:43 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    John 14:6 and also John 1:17 For while the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. Yes, I do believe these scriptures, but so do I at John 5:45, saying, “Do not suppose that I will be the one to accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom you have set your hope.
    But my point is this, be told that (the body organization of ) Evangelical leaders has made an agreement with the Catholic leaders that “evangelical Christians will DO NOT evangelizing the Catholics” (who don’t believe Jesus Christ is the only way to the Heavenly Father) so WHY know they so eager to win the Jews whom already believing Torah?
    What is the agenda behind this?

  • Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:52 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 1

    John 14: 6
    Jesus answered, I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

    - And we also unapologetically declared that salvation comes only through Jesus Christ, including for the Jews

  • Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:43 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    DannyPoo, I understand Christians need to trust their Bible no matter what. I suppose the Jews also understand that, so maybe they are not as offended as I imagined them to be. I do have to give the Christians who tried to save Jews a lot of credit. I don't think I could have done what they did. It's so much easier to do nothing, but they risked everything, including their own lives, to save the lives of people they didn't even know. I will always admire people who could be that brave.

    I recommend the movie The Pianist. It's a story about a Jew who survived because of help from Christians and even a Nazi officer brought him food when he was hiding.

    http://www.thepianistmovie.com/

  • Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:16 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    ::begin quote::
    YOU DANNY POO SEEM TO BE OBLIVIOUS TO HOW RUDE AND OFFENSIVE IT IS TO JEWS FOR THEM TO HEAR THIS TRIPE THAT THEY "MUST BE BORN AGAIN OF CHRIST"
    BUT , I GUESS, DANNYPOO, IT JUST MATTERS TO YOU WHOSE OX IS BEING GORED.
    WHEN JEWS ARE OFFFENDED IT'S OK TO BE RUDE, BUT WHEN THOSE WHO ARE OFFENDING JEWS ARE OFFENDED, IT'S NOT OK TO BE RUDE..

    WHAT UNMITIGATING HYPOCRISY!
    ::end quote::

    Child of Universe,

    Obviously you missed my point entirely. Your comments such as "hahaha--THE JOKE'S ON YOU NON-JEWS! " Is what I was identifying as rude. I did not find your comments about Jesus being a False Messiah as Rude, your certainly free to believe that.

    Evangelism is not "rude" if it were, you would be being rude by saying that Jesus is a false messiah and trying to change my beliefs just as much as me saying he is the true Messiah.

    We should not get to a point in society where simple Evangelism is considered "rude" and I was referring specifically to your "Hahaha Jokes on you non-jews" comments which was unneccessary and innappropriate.

  • Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:06 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Howard, I greatly appreciate you saying that not all of the muderers in the Holocaust were Christians. And I would agree, I am sure many who claimed the name Christian were participants in the Holocaust, but your point is noted. It would be difficult for Jews to accept Christian theology if they believed that there were many Christians involved in the Holocaust. I won't dispute that.

    It is important for me to point out though, in Christian theology, it is not the Christians themselves who send people to hell, it is our God. We could probably disagree for hours whether my God is true or not, but based on the principle that if my God were the true God, then his reasons for sending people to hell would be just.

    I am not saying it is always "fair" in our eyes, I am just saying that if God sends anyone to Hell (in our theology), he has a perfectly good reason for it. I may not agree with how they died (ex: at the hands of a claiming Christian), but I can agree by the standard they will be judged in the afterlife. Which in Christian theology is one standard...God himself, of which I need Christ to cover my faults and sins so that I may presented blameless.

    Again, i'm not saying you have to agree with our Theology, I am just asking that you put on the hat of Christian for a few moments to see it from our perspective.

    Nevertheless there are Jews who have become Christians (ex: http://jewsforjesus.org/). If you go to that website here is their comment on this article:
    We applaud the WEA and those who signed the document for recognizing the need for the gospel to be lovingly brought to all people, including our Jewish people. And we are particularly encouraged to see our evangelical family acknowledge that those of us who are followers of Y’shua (Jesus) who were born Jewish have every right to continue to identify as Jews.

  • Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 7

    YOU DANNY POO SEEM TO BE OBLIVIOUS TO HOW RUDE AND OFFENSIVE IT IS TO JEWS FOR THEM TO HEAR THIS TRIPE THAT THEY "MUST BE BORN AGAIN OF CHRIST"
    BUT , I GUESS, DANNYPOO, IT JUST MATTERS TO YOU WHOSE OX IS BEING GORED.
    WHEN JEWS ARE OFFFENDED IT'S OK TO BE RUDE, BUT WHEN THOSE WHO ARE OFFENDING JEWS ARE OFFENDED, IT'S NOT OK TO BE RUDE..

    WHAT UNMITIGATING HYPOCRISY!

  • Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:31 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 4

    DannyPoo, I agree not all of the murderers of the holocaust were Christians. Also, it's fair to say the thousands of Christians who helped murder 6 million Jews were bad Christians. It's also fair to say some Christians risked their lives to save Jews, and I doubt I would have had their courage.

    But bad or not, there were many Christians who helped murder millions of innocent people. They were not all Germans. Many Christians in the countries the Germans conquered gleefully helped the Nazis round up Jews for concentration camps. When the survivors returned to Poland, many Christians were disappointed they survived and came back. I understand there were even some pogroms after the war ended.

    I think we can agree the murder of innocent people is very evil.

    In my opinion it's just as bad to have a belief that these innocent people will be eternally tortured in hell, after being tortured and murdered by Christians (and non-Christians), just because they didn't accept Christianity.

    Why should any reasonable person expect the Jews to accept the faith of the people who tortured and murdered them? This belief that Jews go to hell really is evil and disgusting. Certainly if I was a Jew, I would be repulsed by this belief and I would want nothing to do with the people who believe it.

    By the way, thanks for not deleting my last comment. I welcome criticism, but I appreciate it when my comments are allowed to be read by everyone instead of being erased.

  • Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:16 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    ::begin quote::
    Nowadays, the evangelical church teaches the eternally given weekly sabbath has stopped, it (mostly Paul) appears to teach that circumcision is no longer required, jesus is generally interpretated to be saying that Jews can eat Pork (or other unclean animals), and worst of all, it is expected that Jews ditch their festivals for idolatrous pagan ones like Christmas and Easter.
    ::end quote::

    I am sure some Christians may "force" the idea that Jews must abandon all their practices, but New Testament scripture clearly teaches that Jews can keep their festivals/non-eatable foods etc. As long as they don't view that as a way to salvation, but simply a way to honor God.

    Romans 14:2-7
    "One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
    One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. "

    ::begin quote::
    It is faith that saves.... faith that God can deliver and raise from the dead... the message jesus taught was repent, somewhere it became 'invite jesus into your heart.
    ::end quote::

    This primarily arose out of scripture like 2 Corinthians 13:5

    "Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?"

    It is a test of Christianity to have Jesus "in you", the modern derivitive is "in your heart", either way the implication is the same.

  • Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:10 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    ::begin quote::
    Notice to you evangelicals:

    Jews have a PERSONAL relationship with YHWH; they need no "medium" like JESUS OR MARY to commune with their Lord...at least that is their dogma..And according to hebrew BELIEF ALL you CHRISTIANStARE WORSHIPPING THE false MESSIAH!


    hahaha--THE JOKE'S ON YOU NON-JEWS!
    ::end quote::

    Most Christians are aware of this belief by the Jews. I am not sure why you had to state something that is commonly known in such a rude way.

  • Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:08 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    why would jews want to become 'christians'?

    Torah teaches, if a prophet/miracle worker does not tell people to keep the commands then they are false, sent by G-d to test them.

    Nowadays, the evangelical church teaches the eternally given weekly sabbath has stopped, it (mostly Paul) appears to teach that circumcision is no longer required, jesus is generally interpretated to be saying that Jews can eat Pork (or other unclean animals), and worst of all, it is expected that Jews ditch their festivals for idolatrous pagan ones like Christmas and Easter.

    If Christians insist on teaching things contrary to Torah, the it is no wonder so few Jews accept Jesus as Messiah - the church has shot itself in the foot, and is so devoid of her Hebrew roots that she thinks that she is the root and not Israel.

    It is faith that saves.... faith that God can deliver and raise from the dead... the message jesus taught was repent, somewhere it became 'invite jesus into your heart.

    I say it is time to get back to the message Jesus taught..... repent! Do teshuvah!!! Immerse yourselves and be clean.

  • Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    Notice to you evangelicals:

    Jews have a PERSONAL relationship with YHWH; they need no "medium" like JESUS OR MARY to commune with their Lord...at least that is their dogma..And according to hebrew BELIEF ALL you CHRISTIANStARE WORSHIPPING THE false MESSIAH!


    hahaha--THE JOKE'S ON YOU NON-JEWS!

  • Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:23 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    ::begin quote::
    There was a holocaust. Christians murdered Jews. 6 million Jews. Today there are Christians who believe those 6 million Jews, who were murdered by Christians, are now being tortured for eternity in hell, the same hell that Christians believe in.
    ::end quote::

    Your statement is filled with Assertions using weak induction reasoning. No doubt there were Nazi's who took the title "Christian", and without a doubt there were jews killed by them. But you forget the fact that Nazi's killed Christians too.

    Nazi's were neither necessarily Christian, nor anti-theistic. Many held to wide variety of mystical beliefs. To attribute the entire Holocaust to Christians is poor reasoning.

    Christianity had declined severely in Germany at the time the Nazis came to power, which is why the Nazis were able to come to power. In his book, The Dictators, Richard Overy states that in the decades preceding the First World War Germany was becoming increasingly secular, and that after that war, from 1918 to 1931, 2.4 million Evangelical Christians formally renounced their faith as well as almost half a million Catholics. In Prussia, only 21% of the population took communion and in Hamburg only five percent of the population took communion. Before Hitler, German religious leaders were publicly condemning the rise of moral relativism and decline of traditional religious values.


    Weimar Germany largely had abandoned Christianity and increasingly was embracing hedonism, Marxism and paganism. There, decline of Christianity in Germany led directly to the rise of Nazism. Professor Henri Lichtenberger in his 1937 book, The Third Reich, describes the religious life of the Weimar Republic as a place in which the large cities were "spiritual cemeteries" with almost no believers at all, except for those who were members of the clergy.

    Also, many Christians attempted to work against the Nazi's in Germany.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/christian_opposition_to_nazi_a.html

  • Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:39 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    I am deeply saddened that Roman Catholics have given the Jews such a horrible view of Christianity by murdering them through the centuries. The Holocaust was never once condemned by the Vatican, while the Pope had full knowledge of what was going on. The Vatican then helped the Nazi leaders, like Eichman, escape to South America once the war was over. It is well documented that Hitler paid the Catholic church hundreds of millions of marks to support him.

    That is one of the many reasons I refuse to recognize the Roman Catholic Church as Christian.
    They will never repent of their deeds through the centuries because to do so would be to deny their doctrine of "Papal Infallibility".

    To my Jewish brothers and sisters: Please understand that the so-called "Christians" that killed you during the Crusades, and closed your synagogues, and made you wear special marks, and mistreated you, and enacted a Holocaust against you, WERE NOT CHRISTIANS.

    The things they did were completely antithetical to Christ's teachings. And if any Protestant were to do the same, I would say the same of him.

  • Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    May I please suggest, respond to my comment instead of deleting it. Thank you.

    There was a holocaust. Christians murdered Jews. 6 million Jews. Today there are Christians who believe those 6 million Jews, who were murdered by Christians, are now being tortured for eternity in hell, the same hell that Christians believe in.

    Is there anyone besides me who thinks there's something wrong here? I doubt Jews who survived the holocaust, or who are related to Jews who were murdered by Christians in the holocaust, appreciate being told by Christians their relatives are in hell because they didn't accept Christianity.

    The Christian belief that Jews, who were murdered by Christians, went to hell, is the most evil disgusting belief I could ever imagine.

  • Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    That was fast.

  • Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:59 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Anyone who is a bible-believer and is questioning whether Jews need Jesus. Remember Jesus's discussion with Nicodemus, a Jew, and member of the Sanhedrin approached Jesus.

    Jesus said, "You must be Born again" (John 3:7) then he said:

    "I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:10-16

    Jesus then whent even further in saying to Nicodemus:
    "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son" John 3:18

    This is what Jesus said to Nicodemus...a Jew...and if Jesus says to a Jew, only those who believe in him(Jesus) are saved, I believe him.

    We don't have to do it rudely, or disregard their heritage. But if we don't do evangelism we disregard our own beliefs.

  • Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:12 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Ummm, this is just "the Great Commission". The Jews need Jesus Christ. Everyone needs Jesus Christ. For his is the "only name under heaven given to men for their salvation."

    So what's the problem? Jews should convert. Everyone should convert. But that's not up to us, that's up to the Holy Spirit. Our job is simply to bring the Good News...

  • Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:06 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Only Jesus Saves

  • Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:00 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Howard

    Anyone who does not receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord will perish (go to hell).

  • Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Obviously the Jewish Community are meant to be G--d`s chosen,...1% of the total World population contributing 85% of Constructive technologies in EVERY FIELD OF RESEARCH which is a Wonderful Oracle which they Well Deserve,.....but one has to also allow the facts that I think their fallicy is partially because they see C--st as a Prophet and not the Savior,...and the Saducees and Pharisees who were of "hard core" Orthodox Jewish Communities of the "day" where mainly responsible for offering Jesus to Roman Courts for prosecution....Still the Jewish are G--d blessed and I can see why.........

  • Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    John Hagee raises millions of dollars for resettling Jews in Israel and other projects. Does he ever proclaim the Jews' need to accept Christ as Messiah in order to gain eternal life?

  • Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:04 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    I'm glad to hear that there are some preachers out there with some sense that dare to declare that Jews must receive Christ to have a relationship with God the Father and for their salvation. I'm sick and tired of the crazies cramming down our throats that they have a different path to God and that we better accept this or we are NOT SAVED. What a pile of garbage. It is dangerous heresy that is sending Jews to hell and possibly causing those preachers much harm.

  • Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:26 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Spread to gospel to Jews and Gentiles; see: http://itsallaboutjesusnotme.blogspot.com

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