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Church|Wed, Apr. 09 2008 01:32 PM EDT

Chuck Colson Diagnoses 'Heart' of Church Problem

By Michelle A. Vu|Christian Post Reporter

WOODBRIDGE, Va. – Healthy churches breed a healthy culture, but church problems can lead to social woes, contended political strategist turned ministry leader Chuck Colson on Tuesday.

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    Chuck Colson, founder of Prison Fellowship, speaking to hundreds of pastors and ministry leaders at the 19th Annual National Conference in Woodbridge, Va. on Tuesday, April 9, 2008.

Based on that logic, Colson, the founder of Prison Fellowship, sought to identify the root of current church problems during his address on “Preaching and the Public Square” at the 19th Annual National Conference on Preaching.

“Of course we care about the world. Of course we care about everything happening in society, including politics, but we better get our own house in order because what we see in the cultural collapse of America around us today and in the Western world is exactly on our doorstep,” argued Colson, who was a top aide to former President Richard Nixon before being jailed for the Watergate scandal.

Colson believes the root of the church’s problem is that Christians don’t know what they believe in.

“I think that is at the heart of the problem of the church – we replaced truth with therapy,” he said.

“Most people are basically ignorant,” he said referring to believers’ lack of knowledge on their own religion.

To make his case, he recalled occasions when he asked his friends to explain the trinity or a group of “mature” church elders to explain the church doctrines, and found that they all “fumbled” for answers but could not provide a satisfactory response.

Likewise, during a speaking engagement he asked a group of distinguished Christians that included theologians from respected universities to explain what Christianity is.

Again the Christians could not give a proper answer. One respondent said Christianity is “to love God with all your heart, mind and soul,” in which Colson responded that that was a commandment and not what Christianity is.

“We assume people in the pulpit understand it and people in the churches understand it, but they don’t,” Colson concluded.

The Christian radio commentator and author noted that no one even responded as he expected – that Christianity was a religion or a relationship with God. According to Colson, Christianity is the Word and he recited John 1: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

Knowing what Christianity is and its belief is important as Christians are confronted by social challenges such as genetic engineering, Islamic fascism, and a more aggressive atheism.

Colson said that he begins each morning with a New York Times newspaper on one side and the Bible on the other side so that as a Christian he could “look at everything in life through a Biblical prism.”

“We have to always compare what the Bible says and what culture says,” he advised.

He also pointed out that Christians are not only given the Great Commission – which is not to make converts but disciples – but also assigned a cultural commission to “bring God’s truth and majesty to bear against everything.”

“We cannot defend our faith nor can we live it if we don’t know what it is,” Colson concluded.

Since Monday, hundreds of pastors and ministry leaders – who range from small-town preachers to world-renown Christian leaders – have converged for the 19th Annual National Conference on Preaching just outside Washington, D.C. The three-day conference, running under the theme “Where Do Pulpit and Culture Meet?” has been exploring the role of preaching in addressing cultural, social, and political issues. It concludes Wednesday.

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  • Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:14 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    (KJV) Acts 11:26..."And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."

    Looks like Luke defined what "Christian" is very plainly; that is, a disciple of Christ.

  • Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Chuck Colson says, “I think that is at the heart of the problem of the church – we replaced truth with therapy,” and “Most people are basically ignorant,” he said referring to believers’ lack of knowledge on their own religion.
    But do we really? Doesn’t it all come down to two things: (a) The Golden Rule, and (b) the soul survives physical death. Everything else is a nuance particular to the belief system being applied. While the Golden Rule is easy to understand, the latter is hard to understand and really know. But once you do experience the latter, you will be more inclined to practice the former out of an activated sense of love.
    We stumbled upon a technique not to experience the later, but to open a pathway of study that will enable you to know and experience that later while remaining a participant in this dimension of life.
    I've kept a dream diary for many years and rate dreams as (a) fully lucid (b) semi-lucid (c) non-lucid-ordinary. While category (a) and (c) are intuitive, category (b), semi-lucid, is a dream where I wake-up realizing that a prayer of affirmation was just revealed, but now I've woken and it's too late to enter lucid dream state and explore my prayer-affirmation in a lucid state.
    Category (b) dreams are often very fulfilling spiritually. They can be so profound as to awaken you intellectually and spiritually. Allow yourself to study your dreams.
    I have in the past few years worked towards developing abilities in myself and in others to serve as "healers" through a commitment to reading, learning, and low-level entry prayer-chains. Unfortunately progress comes in jumps for me as it does not seem to be a natural talent with which I was born... i.e. to be a healer. Only a heart-felt predisposition exists in me to apply myself in this direction as an avocation combined with reading and study.
    However, about a year ago, along with my friends, we discovered what appears to be an entirely knew energy body on earth, which

    Continued Below

  • Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Continued from Part I above

    you can tap into and secure direct personal revelations through dreams and prayer-affirmations. We are so excited! We think it may have something to do with human kinds' spiritual evolution on Earth.
    What Chuck Colson refers to as not knowing our faith (which is true in part), we here at Peace and Conflict Resolution.Org (http://peaceandconflictresolution.googlepages.com/peaceandconflictresolution.org) refer to this apparent prevailing ignorance as being instead “open minded and hungry to understand a broader reality not heavily taught within Christianity” but with mystic remnants spread across all belief system like segments of DNA who’s functions have not yet been pieced together in mainstream understanding as yet.
    Here's how our little discovery works. We named it “A-B-C Personal Revelation and Internet Confirmation” (A-B-C for short) (http://peaceandconflictresolution.googlepages.com/a-b-c-revelationandinternetconfiramtion). At least, here is how we use it.
    We have taken personal vows to work towards the powers of light believing that the powers of light represent God's good. The process we outline here may also work for the powers of darkness but we choose to serve the powers of good as best as we are able and as best as we understand while on our respective journeys.
    These are personal choices (between good and evil, powers of light and powers of darkness) that we each had to first make at a very deep level. Sometimes we stray as we are only human learning to be something more. Hey, that’s life. Get up, dust off, try and move on and do better.
    When confronted with the big choice: light or dark, we humbly, and lovingly choose the light. You will know this choice when you reach that portal in your own travels. Anyway each of us crossed that particular portal at one time or another in a dream-state choice made during a very vivid fulfillment of a prayer-affirmation.
    In my case it was being confronted in the dream in fulfillment of a prayer of affirmation that "I progress in my learning and serve the ..

    Continue Below

  • Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Continued from Part II

    good with whatever I must endure.” In other words, as I bed down one night, I registered that prayer. The dream which fulfilled that prayer was an unforgettable archetype confrontation with both the powers of Evil and the Powers of Good and a voice inside the dream demanding of me to explain to the voice in the dream what it was I truly wanted. This event, when it occurs, if it occurs, is one of the most important moments in your existence. There is no space for you to lie, deceive, or maneuver or negotiate. You must simply call upon yourself to spit forth the truth you hold as it is vested in your heart. It is what it is.
    In my case while dreaming, my answer eventually burst out of me as "I want to seek truth and nothing more." I was told by the voice as the powers of good and evil opened celestial doors that "I was not to judge what I found in these realms that it is what it is."
    I woke up believing I had received passage to continue my journey. Somewhere in each life I believe we must each face and choose and it is a blessing to receive your personal answer to your question for your own life, whatever that question may be.
    Moving on to the new energy body we think we found. The energy body appears to be the world wide web. It works in partnership with your dreams, of all things, like this:
    (A) State an important prayer or affirmation of what it is you seek spiritually. These are called pre-dream prayers-of-intent set by you.
    (B) This in turn is followed by dream-spirit, dream-state revelations of accurate new knowledge of world events, places and things, while dreaming and,
    (C) Then validated (of all things!) by on-line internet research.
    The internet has so much information accessible through it, that for the first time ever, there now exists what I call the New Library of Alexandria, i.e. the greatest collection of human knowledge ever assembled and accessible by everyone with an online computer, probably over ½ of all human souls, possibly more.

    (Continue Below)

  • Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Continued Part III

    What are the chances? What makes this simple A-B-C methodology discovery so interesting is that if you match say 3 data points in a dream with reality, then the chances of that event being random are statistically computable. I believe the old statistic's formula to compute probability in these instances is 3! (Pronounced "Three Factorial") 3! is 1 x 2 x 3 = 6 Thus the chances of matching 3 data points with reality is say 1 out of 6 that the dream was merely random and nothing more. But what if it's one out of a trillion instead?
    In our test dream experiences we regularly see and have dream experiences where we can count over 50 matches with reality on things and places and events we have no reason to know anything about, much like remote viewing while asleep. In one dream I logged, called the "QRAN Dream" (we label them) I counted over 100 data points matched with reality on a subject I know nothing about before the dream. When I researched the dream online the next morning, it opened doorway after doorway after doorway, that just kept leading this researcher deeper and deeper into revelations all of which were in the dream and confirmed on line! Whoa! In my case I appear to be lead in my dreams by a friendly, lovable, dream-guide who from time-to-time demonstrates a great sense of humor.
    I'm not certain if the dream-guide is male or female as he/she seems male and of course takes on many different faces over each dream. But the guide has over the course of many dreams introduced me to concepts associated apparently with the new age of emergent “divine feminine” which seems to be unfolding in this world.
    In Summary
    So in summary, it appears the internet is a new energy body that can enable you to confirm your dreams and match them to reality. In the case of my so-called “QRAN Dream,” you might note that the probability the dream was random is on the order of magnitude of 100! (100 FACTORIAL or 1x2x3x4x5x6........x99x100 = a really large number). So the chance that the dream was merely random is 1 out of 100-factorial. One out of billions! These are frequent experiences when practiced.
    These kinds of rare probabilities begin to settle into your reasoning as something you better attend to and not ignore in your life. You can read about the QRAN Dream if you choose. I have it posted here:
    http://peaceandconflictresolution.googlepages.com/theqrandream

    (See Part IV below)

  • Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Part IV from above:

    More importantly perhaps is that these experiences open one's mind to new understandings of ancient knowledge. What you do with it all is up to you apparently. We think the world wide web has become some sort of resonate energy body for our use as humans to help spiritually evolve us to whatever our next aggregate phase of life will be. .... and we find that very exciting!
    If you are sitting in a jail cell being preached at you are going to take whatever they give you and go with it. You are going to give back the answers you know they want to hear. But in the total privacy of your prayers and your dreams, if you have access to the internet (the New Library of Alexandria) you may want to seek your own path to my two points:
    Doesn’t it all come down to two things: (a) The Golden Rule, and (b) the soul survives physical death ?
    Be fearless, be humble, be loving, seek truth.

    P&CR

  • Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:57 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Christianity is not religious. It is not a great movement or evangelization for the betterment of
    the world. It is not reacting to a need simply because the need is there (Matthew 26:6-13).
    In many ways, religion is a deception. It is an activity carried out by men in the name of God.
    Often, the activity substitutes for the operation of the Holy Spirit.
    Religion always has doctrinal biases. That is one way it can be recognized. Also, religionists
    are busy doing instead of being. There is a kind of romance in religious work. Much
    enthusiasm can be generated in organized activities.
    But it is not what we do before men that matters. It is what we are in the eyes of God, in our
    secret place with Him. Where are we in our personal communication with Him? Where are we in
    relation to what He wants to accomplish in our personal lives? Those are the questions, which
    separate Christianity from religion.
    Religion is the birthplace for denominational divisions. The tendency of denominational
    behavior is to observe one another, compare activities, and count heads. There is a
    competitive spirit to outdo the church down the street. Each denomination declares, “We're
    right, we've got it all together.” Although unsaid, the implication is that the others are wrong.
    Christianity is not dependent upon the acceptance of a creed nor upon a statement of doctrine.
    It has nothing to do with the observance of rites and ordinances. It does not require attendance
    at certain services or functions, nor demand conformity to a set of rules for behavior.
    These things are all good works and can be very deceptive. Those who perform them may
    assume they are earning favor with God. Unfortunately, this is an illusion, which could lead to
    a bitter day of confrontation with the Lord (Matthew 7:21-23).
    Christians become Christians by discipling themselves to Jesus Christ. In this manner, they
    join with other born-again believers and become one in Christ. This body is the true body of
    Christ, the real church. It is possible to attend church and never meet Christ, yet become very religious. Historically,
    every time man has received a revelation from God, he has built a denomination around it. He
    has imposed rules, which have made him comfortable. But he has so distorted the original
    revelation that the Spirit of God has been forced to leave. Luther, Calvin, and Wesley all
    received revelations, which have been turned into denominations. This has fragmented further
    the body of Christ.
    Continued below.

  • Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    In Matthew 23:37,38, Jesus told the religionists. "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.”
    It was no longer the house of God, for man had claimed it for himself. Then, in Matthew 24:1, it
    is recorded that Jesus left the temple. He walked away from the institutional church and took
    His real church, His believing disciples, with Him.
    Religion has never made this world happier or better. Religionists tend to occupy themselves
    with the bad state of things; how the world has deteriorated into a terrible condition, and how
    mankind is headed for hellfire and damnation.
    But the Lord is more interested in the solution than in the problem. He would have His people
    align themselves with Him to bring about His purpose. Through them, He could then alter the
    state of things.
    Religionists try to change the world, but it is the church that needs to change. When the
    church changes, the world will change.
    There is nothing supernatural about religion and its ritualism. The world fears supernatural
    powers. But there is nothing offered by religion for the world to fear, or even to respect;
    therefore, the world treats religion with contempt.
    John the Baptist called himself a friend of the Bridegroom (John 3:28-30). He understood the
    principle of decrease in order to draw the bride (the church. the body of Christ) to Christ, the
    Bridegroom. Today's preachers are in the same position, that of friends of the Bridegroom. But
    instead of decreasing in order to draw the bride to the Bridegroom, many are flirting with the
    bride. They are exalting themselves, and drawing the bride in their own direction.
    Such activity deceives the sheep, and they go astray from the real Shepherd. They follow
    substitute shepherds, intermediaries placed between themselves and God. Those sheep suffer
    from stunted growth, for they are unable to grow beyond their man-shepherd.
    Jeremiah 23:1 proclaims, “Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of My
    pasture! saith the Lord.” Paul says in 1 Corinthians 3:4, that following after one man's doctrine
    is carnal. When we are interested only in a form of religion, we do just that. We select a leader
    because of his popularity and his image, and we allow our eyes to focus upon him rather than
    upon God.
    God's purpose is to make His believers one body (Ephesians 2:14), and He is doing just that.
    He can reach through the veil of religion and touch those who truly seek Him. When they
    respond to His touch, He introduces them to salvation, the first segment of His truth.

  • artm »
    Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    One reason the Church is Ignorant of what Christanity is, Because of Blind Watchman, who no longer preach the truth of Gods Word. But also because Most Christians don't read their bibles.

    And Christanity is not a religion, It is a Person, Jesus Christ.

  • Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:50 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    With TVs and videos, people have learned to read less. Many Christians I know seldom study the Bible reguarly and rely primarily on weekly sermons for most of their information about Christianity.

    The first Christians gathered to study and pray reguarly because they were hungry for the Word and thirsty for the Spirit. A December 2007 Gallup reported that 82% of Americans claim their faith has ties to Chrisitanity. A lot of us living in these "end times" must be very hungry and thiristy spiritually.

    Hope Page: http://itsallaboutjesusnotme.blogspot.com

    Hope Page:

  • Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:05 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    ,” argued Colson, who was a top aide to former President Richard Nixon before being jailed for the Watergate scandal." Why is it that every time Chuck Colson is written about there is a need for the media 'Christian and secular' to introduce him as 'having been jailed for the Watergate scandal'? Do we speak of Moses as an unindicted murderer, David as a murderer and adulterer? And so on and so on. Give it a break.

  • Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
    For me that verse from the Gospel of St John also state a complete explanation of our faith.

    Mr. Colson touches some of the things which I see myself do everyday, being unaware, ignorant and not fully understand Christianity to properly answer trivial questions let alone theological ones.

    And further I do not particularly check all social and cultural goings on with the Word of our Living God in the Holy Bible.

    Slowly but surely shall I learn more, Mr. Colson. Thank you for your input.

  • Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:45 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works” (2 Ti 3:16, 17).

    “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ” (Col 2:8).

  • Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    A great diagnosis by Chuck Colson! Colson believes the root of the church’s problem is that Christians don’t know what they believe in. How true.
    Perhaps nothing has been as destructive to Christian society in the last number of decades as the abandonment of two thousand years of Christian teaching on God’s order for sexuality, starting with beliefs about contraception.
    Like Colson points out, Christians should understand historic Christian beliefs and live by them.
    I posted a blog entry today on this subject.
    http://signofcontradiction.blogspot.com/2008/04/unholy-sacrament-of-corrupt-christian.html
    I invite your comment.

  • Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:11 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 3

    Hey Coffee, I encourage everyone to read the writings of Ignatius of Antioch like I did. He led the Christians as a bishop in the first city the Christians were called Christians. He also wrote the name down for the first time that described the Church Jesus founded: Catholic, with a capital C. 110 A.D. And he learned Christianity from John the Apostle.

    "Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop or by one whom he ordains [i.e., a presbyter]. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church" (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

    The Orthodox faith was the first to split from Catholicism. Since then, I think we're up to 33,000 conflicting versions of Christianity. What a shame. Yet Jesus' Church hasn't been overcome by the gates of hell. To me, it's the only safe harbor in a world of theological shifting sand.

  • Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    chris says that the church was once united. The who was the first split-off group? The Orthodox claim that it was the Roman church, that Orth. was the true original church.

  • Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The Bride of Christ IS united in HIM and always has been. There are many people sitting in the pews of many denominations who profess Christ, but whose hearts are far from Him. They are not members of the body. The building into which you enter for worship does not define who is of the body and who is not.
    Compromising scriptural doctrine for the sake of an outward appearance of unity avails nothing.

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:53 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Well said, Chuck! You are truly a wise man. You have also done many wonderful things in ecuminism between Catholics, Orthodox and Evangelicals. Keep up the great work, and I pray that someday all will follow Jesus Christ and that His Church will be united again like it once was.

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:54 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    “Most people are basically ignorant,” he said referring to believers’ lack of knowledge on their own religion.

    Remember the old testament; Israel went in and out of capativity. Best yet, we in and out of hellfire.
    God said: Hosea 4:6-7, 9-10
    My people are destroyed for a lack of knowlege. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me; Because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.
    The more they increased, the more they sined against Me; I will change their glory into shame.
    And it shall be: like people, like priest. So I will punish them for their ways, and reward them for their deeds.
    For they shall eat, but not have enough; They shall commit harlotry, but not increase; Because they have ceased obeying the Lord.

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:21 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Thank God for Chuck Colson.

    I agree with those recommending blogs. Sure, there's some bad blogs, but, by and large, you find some very talented students running theology blogs. I have some links to such blogs on my own blog:

    http://dogmatics.wordpress.com/

    Also, read some good Christian magazines/journals, like First Things and Touchstone.

  • Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:58 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Boy I think Colson has hit it on the head here! I have come to learn one way (but not the only way) if someone really is a genuine Christian. Its simple. Just ask them to explain the atonement to you. If their answers is illogical or incoherent then you know that person is not a Christian, If they are unable to explain it then how did they ever get saved to begin with. If you have little or no knowledge of the Gospel (and that is essentially what the atonement is) then how did you ever come to salvation. Most folks go to church for 20 years and have a scad idea of why Jesus died on the cross. Typically I'll get the parroted answers they have learned or heard from their pastor such as "Oh my sins are paid for" or "I ask Jesus into my heart". As Paul stated "I preach nothing but Christ Crucified!"

  • Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:33 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    I totally agree with learning from reading blogs. For me it helps me solidify my faith. Those that disagree are the ones that can help a person understand what they believe and why, especially those that are antagonistic to Christianity. It is evident that we in America are seeing a major change in the moral compass of the nation. We need to be able to have answers for those that are seeking.

  • Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:58 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Thanks, Quecat - and to one and all. You are right -in fact, all of you make very valid points. I'm new to all this - have never participated in blogs, comments postings, etc. - didn't know this site existed until a week ago. It IS a huge help to read the thoughts and learn from the wisdom of other like-minded believers - and yes, it is also very helpful to hear comments from those who may not agree. Swords need to be sharpened to be effective - and while the Sword of the Lord doesn't need sharpened, my use of it certainly does!

    Again, thanks to one and all -

  • Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:27 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Quecat: thanks,...you are a HUGE HELP to me personally,...I also believe that with the "messages" like yours and Charles Colson`s,....with the way the World is revolving to,...you are "bleeding" alot of sense into the publics psycology ( me inclusive) to come off "the fence" and become more actively involved into a more focused Word of G--d,...
    And I also believe, (personal opinion) that we are approaching a time in history that it will be blatantly obvious before G--d`s way of all who are wishy-washy,...who absolutely turned their backs on the truth and all those who are actually responding to the "tap on the shoulder"...
    Thanks again.......

  • Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:24 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Anyone reading this probably studies God's Word more than most. Many devote Christians I know do little reading and rely on pastors for much of thier knowledge about Christianity. Our spirit's are renewed through private study and prayer in addition to being part of a Spirit-filled service once or twice a week. The first Christians met in their homes to pray and study scriptures. Those able to study and teach can help remedy this problem by leading home Bible studies and open prayer with their familes and friends.

    Hope Page: http://itsallaboutjesusnotme.blogspot.com

  • Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:05 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Actually Servant 424 - these forums have been a wonderful tool for me to spread the Gospel and reach people who need to hear. I was initially amazed to find how many atheists, secular humanists, pagans and "seekers" I've encountered in these forums. They came with the intention of being a spoiler or posting some smart-alecky comment.

    But God says that His word will not return void.
    I use every opportunity, every encounter with folks on these forums as a chance to speak the truth of God's word into their lives. Some run away, others rebel and turn hateful, some want to argue along pointless rabbit-trails, but some will engage and reason - and prayerfully still others are watching (reading) and being taught the truth although they themselves don't yet know it or recognize it.
    I've been blessed by the effort too. It tests your self-control to refrain from returning spite for spite, and trains you to listen to the guidance of the Holy Spirit and let His words flow through you, instead of allowing your natural man to respond in a fleshly way.

    And most of all, it's made more of a Bible scholar out of me. Some of the challenges that I've answered in these forums, required much study on my part. ...Study through which I've learned pearls of biblical truth of which I had not previously known!

    All in all, by exercising my "gospel-speading-muscles" here - I've strenghtened my own faith, increased my understanding of God's word, practiced answering the questions of skeptics and am more confident of my abilities to engage folks, one-on-one in real life in a more knowledgeable and logical way.

    Isa 1:18 "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:"
    2Ti 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

    Maranatha!

  • Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 6

    Mr. Colson is misguided a bit. Equating the Great Commission (Mt. 28:19,20) with "bring[ing] God’s truth and majesty to bear against everything" shows me that he believes that the cross of Christ was endured equally for eternal salvation and earthly dominion. Additionally, by equating the need for knowledge of world issues and events with knowledge of the Bible ("Colson said that he begins each morning with a New York Times newspaper on one side and the Bible other the other side"), he misunderstands the mandate to "contend for the faith" (Jude 3) and the completeness we have in the Bible for every good work (2 Tim. 3:16). A Christian would be within God's will by keeping His Word, even if he failed to clearly grasp the latest incident of terrorism one Tuesday morning.

    Ignorance of our world and lack of understanding of issues we face in society are not helpful. But the Gospel and the message of Christ dictate priorities - "I consider all things rubbish compared to knowing Christ" (Phil 3:8). Christians who are deeply rooted in Scripture will change their world. The state of souls who think they're saved and Christians is deplorable. That's a greater need for the church of Jesus Christ than trying to solve the riddle that is Bin Laden.

    Colson would do better to make getting people back to the Bible and reaching lost souls his overwhelming message. Perhaps this conference didn't lend itself towards his being able to do so. No matter. He could have taken this position and let the hearers do with it as they will.

  • Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:15 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 0

    I couldn't agree more - and I'm certain that most who read the article and/or take time to comment will concur. My concern is - what are we going to do about it? Are those of us reading this site, listening and responding to other Biblical apologists, teachers, sermons, websites (Josh McDowell, Ravi Zacharias, Christian Worldview Network, etc.) actually making a difference in our "little corner of the world?" Are we ourselves teaching - discipling - either in classes or one-on-one mentoring relationships? Are we so busy gathering articles and information that support us in our own beliefs that we are not actively engaged in our individual churches and neighborhoods? I know that I certainly have that tendency - I love to study and learn and am known in my circle as a well-informed and Bibically literate Christian - but I've been woefully lethargic about searching for ways to disciple others. That requires "getting your hands dirty" - getting down in the trenches where our neighbors and yes, even our church family, live painful, often hidden lives.

    Colson is right - Jesus' commandment is to "make disciples, teaching them to observe all things." It's a word I speak first to me, but I challenge others - make certain that we who are aware of and concerned about the apostasy that is rapidly gaining such a stronghold in our American culture are equally concerned about (and actively teaching - and living ) the truth of the Word Made Flesh.

    That being said - it has been a real validation to me to discover that there are others across the country who believe as I do - that the rampant apostasy prophesied for the last days is already here. We are about out of time - and I for one am asking God to burden me with the emotional realization that these "end times" means most of the people I know personally are headed for hell. Break my heart, Lord - and strengthen me for the task of speaking the Word into their lives and serving them with heart and hands directed and empowered by Your Spirit.

  • Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:59 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    AMEN!

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