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Opinion|Wed, Apr. 09 2008 07:14 PM EDT

The Pope on Immigration

By Martin Marty|Christian Post Contributor

Pope Benedict XVI's U.S. visit next week during an election year will find him cast, willy nilly, in a political role. The chiding of Catholic voters, bishops and priests, and politicians who do not make enough of churchly anti-abortion positions will occur, but most concur in the view that such is "old news," unlikely to do much swaying of "undecideds," however valid debate on the subject might be. Other positions will be noted.

This first chance to size up the pope up close in America finds him to be a dialectical and complex thinker. One day he articulates long-held Catholic positions concerning other Christians and other religions with a hard, sometimes offensive (to "the others") line, and the next day he treats them more friendlily. Those who wanted to reduce him to being only an enforcer of Catholic sexual moral dicta now perceive a wider agenda. He also comes on as the theologian he is, in encyclicals on "love" and "hope."

Some secular-press anticipators of his visit suggest that themes other than the sexual and biological (from stem cell research to "euthanasia") are likely to be most notable and, to many, most jarring. The fourth or fifth most controversial issue in electoral politics this year, and the first among some cable network agitators and publics in states where it is most problematic, is immigration. True, Vatican leadership has articulated views protesting the Americans' initiation of war in Iraq, our official position permitting torture of humans, capital punishment, and more, but it is immigration that finds thoughtful Americans most uncertain or divided. The Catholic leadership is certain and undivided, and the Pope will be pressed to restate its case.

If the Pope pitches for reform of immigration policies, cynics will write it all off as a pitch for Latino/Latina votes, since "Hispanics" make up a huge component of today's American Catholicism. But Michael Sean Winters, author of the forthcoming Left at the Altar: How the Democrats Lost the Catholics and How the Catholics Can Save the Democrats, argues that at base the church's position on immigration is "pro-family." He sets this forth in The New Republic (April 9), there showing how the Pope sided with immigrants and pitched for policies designed to help keep families together long before the U.S. visit came into view.

Winters quotes numerous papal papers, including a speech in which Benedict reminded anti-immigrants that Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, in the gospel story, were refugees and migrants. Beyond that narrative, Winters reminds readers that "the Catholic belief in the inherent dignity of every human being and the priority the Church places on keeping families together pushed Benedict leftward." (Why is that the "leftward" position?) For this year's celebration of the World Day of Migrants and Refugees, the pontiff asked the Church's host communities to welcome migrating families and work to help them stay together, so that they "can overcome the obstacles and the material and spiritual difficulties [they] encounter." The American Catholic bishops are a strong lobbying force for liberal immigration reform. Will they be investigated by the I.R.S. for crossing a line forbidding political action?

It is hard to deny that any policy on immigration is problematic and that "reform" does not mean easy solutions. But the view that "the immigration policy we need in the U.S. must be based on the cornerstone of respect for the dignity of every human person" is to guide Catholic positions; how the Pope steers that is likely to be a hot topic.

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Martin E. Marty's biography, current projects, upcoming events, publications, and contact information can be found at www.illuminos.com. Original Source: Sightings – A biweekly, electronic editorial published by the Marty Center at the University of Chicago Divinity School.

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  • Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:37 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Taj,

    Are you surprised that you haven't found any articles agreeing with your "majority" perspective??

    No, I am not surprised to find articles that do not portray your church in a negative light; we are living in age ecumenicalism and political correctness has become the doctrine of the day.

    1Peter 4:6 –

    Peter did not imply that the gospel was then preached to the souls of the dead, as you teach. He said the gospel “was preached” to those who “are [now] dead.” The preaching was done while they were still alive, and they will be judged on the basis of how they lived “according to men I the flesh,” or while they were still alive. Peter is undoubtedly talking about the Christian dead, because he refers to their living again “according to God [as God lives] in the spirit.” In other words, they will receive immortality in the resurrection and will have a life that measures with the life of God.

    As far as the 50,000 + denominations that you continually refer to; as I have mentioned before, all the conservative Protestant Churches agree on the essentials of salvation – salvation through Christ alone, through God’s grace alone, through faith alone, and revealed by God’s Word alone. I have many friends who attend Lutheran, Adventist, Pentecostal, Baptist, Nazarene, Community, Non-Denominational, Calvary Chapel, Cornerstone – Churches who ALL subscribe to these essentials. So you are incorrect in your assumption that Protestants are divided on these issues. What really matters are these issues that directly affect one’s salvation. I am sure you can attest to Liberal and Conservative members within your own church that do not agree on everything despite the Churches official stance. So, again, denominational name tags are really a secondary issue in light of SALVATION.

    Our continual debates and disagreements are all centered on this issue; TRUTH! Is it the Word of God or the Word of God + the commandments of men? This is the heart of our discussions. Is the final authority the church or the Word of God? These are the core issues that compel us to lock horns.

  • Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    I'm not the one who stated I was in the majority. Am I surprised that people disagree with the Catholic Church on an anonymous comment board? no. Are you surprised that you haven't found any articles agreeing with your "majority" perspective??

  • Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    correction:

    . . . what you want to hear.

  • Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:50 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Taj,

    You still do not understand my original point that I was making; I am referring to those who posts “comments” here on the CP not articles. Slow down a bit a read what I am saying instead reading what you want to here. I do not have more than one user name here; perhaps there are others here who truly disagree with you, could it be? It seems your focus is on me rather than demonstrating your claims from scripture. I guess it is easier to for you to try to distort my character than to prove Rome’s dogmas are biblical.

  • Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:41 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Online,

    You continually believe you belong to the majority here, so let's test this theory:

    Can you please direct me to an anti-Pope, anti-Catholic or even an article that doesn't view Catholicism as Christian???

    Can you please direct me to an article that supports your point of view?? I mean this is a pro-Pope article and I can find you MANY more, I can find you Pro-Catholic articles and articles that clearly state that Catholicism is Christian. Please show me all your majority articles because you believe that your thinking is in the majority here....PROVE IT!

  • Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:45 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Taj,

    It seems that you are more interested in where I have been than defending your claims from scripture. The majority of believers here on this post disagree with your claims as well; will you then say that they are using their own personal interpretations? I think not; they disagree with you because they know the Word of God and they know what your church teaches. Again, I am concerned with God’s truth as it is explicitly declared in scripture; everyone’s claims and doctrines must be examined in light of God's Word. I am not here for the praise of men or for a popularity contest. I am sorry if you feel that you have been personally attacked but this has never been my intention; I am proclaiming the truths of God’s Word and others here are doing the same.

  • Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    You can't debate anybody who thinks that they know everything. You believe that your interpretations are correct - thus you left the Catholic Church then the Seventh Day Adventist and now you are non - denominational. You quote the bible however you see fit and point out the errors, as you see them in the Catholic Church. Thus, a person is left with choosing Online4Him's interpretations or the Catholic Church's 2000 years of interpretation that can be traced back to the apostles....hmmmm tough choice.

  • Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:35 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    taj,

    Why do you get upset when others disagree with you? When claims are made; the burden of proof rests on the one making the claim! You have made explicit claims regarding your church and I have given you rebuttals to consider; but you continue to use words like, attack, bizarre, and extreme to avoid my rebuttals. Have we not been told to “contend” for the faith (Jude 1:3), “reprove” darkness (Ephesians 5:11), and “believe not” every spirit, but “try” the spirits whether they are of God (1John 4:1). We need to differentiate between passionately disagreeing about matters of faith and condemning those whom we disagree with. Let us debate the issues without making or taking things personal.

  • Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I'm on an article discussing the Pope and Catholicism - I don't go to other articles concerning other faiths and attack them.

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:23 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Taj,

    The up and down thumbs do not interest me; perhaps, there are others here who do not agree with your postings. Hmmm . . . what would you call your anti-Protestant ranting?

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Online,

    I don't care how many thumbs up you give yourself and how many down you give me, the bottom line is that I read an article and then make comments about it underneath in the comment box. I know the idea might seem a little radical to you because you just post your anti-Catholic tirades without even reading the article, but my comments are based on the article.

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:05 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    taj,

    You were the one to first take that statement out of context by isolating it by itself; I am merely commenting on it in light of how you projected it.

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:00 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    taj,

    Go back and read your post; "YOU HIT IT OUT OF THE PARK WITH THIS COMMENT": "The Catholic leaderships is certain and undivided"

    I am responding to your statement here; you can speak about your views on Protestantism but get all flustered when I comment about Catholicism. Again, your/articles statement ("The Catholic leaderships is certain and undivided") contradicts itself in light of the obvious inconsistencies of papal declarations.

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    As usual you are off on some tangent and taking things out of context. THE WRITER OF THIS ARTICLE STATES:

    "True, Vatican leadership has articulated views protesting the Americans' initiation of war in Iraq, our official position permitting torture of humans, capital punishment, and more, but it is immigration that finds thoughtful Americans most uncertain or divided. The Catholic leadership is certain and undivided, and the Pope will be pressed to restate its case".

    THE WRITER IS NOT DISCUSSING THE PAPACY THROUGHOUT THE CENTURIES. I'M USED TO YOU TAKING BIBLICAL VERSES OUT OF CONTEXT BUT NOW YOU HAVE TAKEN THIS PERSON'S ARTICLE OUT OF CONTEXT. IS THERE ANY END TO THE WAY YOU TWIST THINGS TO YOUR PROPAGANDA?

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:27 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Taj,

    “How can you reconcile these obvious contradictions between what these Popes have stated?”

    This is an honest question: I think it appropriate to ask since you continually post messages about how divided Protestantism is.

    "The Catholic leadership is certain and undivided"

    Your response speaks volumes; seeing that you do not have an answer for those obvious contradictions.

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:12 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    Online,

    For someone who supposedly doesn't care what the Pope thinks you sure are an avid follower. I'm glad the CP and many other Christian publications disagree with your bizarre take on things. As an ex-Catholic I know that you continually have a bone to pick with the Church and I hope that one day you can just move on with your life. However, your wanting to discuss Catholic theology all the time in a bizarre way probably gets people interest in something they might not otherwise be interested in. I wonder if that was the case for the President of the Evangelical Society who converted to Catholicism last year?

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:39 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    "The Catholic leadership is certain and undivided".

    How can you reconcile these obvious contradictions between what these Popes have stated?

    Pope Innocent III (circa 1160 - 1216 CE) is considered "one of the greatest popes of the Middle Ages..." 1 At the Fourth Lateran Council (a.k.a. the General Council of Lateran, and the Great Council) he wrote:

    "There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which no one at all can be saved."

    Pope Boniface VIII (1235-1303 CE) promulgated a Papal Bull in 1302 CE titled Unam Sanctam (One Holy). He wrote, in part:

    “Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

    Pope Eugene IV, (1388-1447 CE) wrote a Papal bull in 1441 CE titled Cantate Domino. One paragraph reads:

    "It [the Church] firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart 'into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels' [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church."

    In his general audience on November 30, Pope Benedict XVI said that whoever "seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent," will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith ("Nonbelievers Too Can Be Saved, Says Pope," Zenit, Nov. 30).

    The Pope also quoted Augustine, one of the "fathers" of the Catholic Church, who claimed that even pagan Babylonians would be saved if "they have a spark of desire for the unknown, for the greatest, for the transcendent, for a genuine redemption."

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:51 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Illegal Alien Sex Fiends
    http://www.aim.org/media-monitor/illegal-alien-sex-fiends/

    Excerpt: "If ever there was an argument for building a border fence, this is it."

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:57 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    "One day he articulates long-held Catholic positions concerning other Christians and other religions with a hard, sometimes offensive (to "the others") line, and the next day he treats them more friendlily"...it's called being true to his Catholic beliefs and the word of God. You hit it out of the park with this comment: "The Catholic leadership is certain and undivided".

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