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Ministries|Thu, Apr. 10 2008 01:20 PM EDT

Rick Warren on Moses' Staff and Book's Success

By Michelle A. Vu|Christian Post Reporter

WOODBRIDGE, Va. – Megastar Pastor Rick Warren slipped into the conference hall unnoticed Tuesday night, comfortably mingling with the hundreds of pastors gathered, before stepping on stage to deliver a sermon that reminded the audience why Warren is one of the most popular pastors in the world.

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    Best-selling author of 'The Purpose Driven Life' Pastor Rick Warren speaks at the 19th annual National Conference on Preaching in Woodbridge, Va., on Tuesday, April 8, 2008.

In his sermon entitled “Growing Spiritually,” Warren recounted the runaway success of his book The Purpose Driven Life – the best-selling book in history behind the Bible – to the audience gathered at the 19th annual National Conference on Preaching. The sermon was based on the story in Exodus 4 about the scene where God tells Moses to throw his staff on the ground and it transforms into a snake.

“That question, ‘What is in your hand?’ is one of the most important questions in life. What is in your hand?” Warren asked his audience, citing God’s question to Moses in Exodus 4:2.

God tells Moses to throw the staff in his hand on the ground and “something that was dead comes alive,” Warren emphasized. The pastor of Saddleback Church in southern California then made two points: God never does miracles to show off and God never asks questions that he does not already know the answer. God asks questions for our benefit, said Warren.

He went on to explain the significance of the staff which represented Moses’ identity as a shepherd; symbolized his income because wealth was tied to livestock back in those days; and symbolized his influence – Moses used the staff to pull or push his sheep.

“‘Lay it down and it will come alive, but Moses every time you pick it up it’s going to die,’” said Warren. “That simple little experience was the turning point in the history of the world.”

After that scene in the Bible, it was never again referred to as Moses’ staff but always called the Rod of God. The Rod of God was used to part the Red Sea, to turn the Nile River into blood, to perform miracles in front of pharaoh and to make water come out of a rock.

“It was just a simple stick. There was nothing magical about it, but once Moses surrendered it to God, it became the Rod of God,” Warren noted. “Pastors, what is in your hands?” the speaker challenged.

Warren then shifted gear and started talking about the success of The Purpose Driven Life and how he dealt with the fame and fortune that followed. He had to ask himself what has God put in his hands – tens of millions of dollars and enormous attention.

“If I wanted to after the book came out I could have bought an island and retire and have people serve me little drinks with umbrellas the rest of my life,” Warren joked. “But when you write a book and the first sentence of the book is, ‘It’s not about you,’ then you kind of figure the money is not for you and the fame is not for you,” he said drawing laughter.

Rick Warren and his wife, Kay, after prayer decided to not change their lives “one bit” even though they now had millions of dollars at their disposal. He said he still drives an eight-year-old Ford truck, lives in the same house before he wrote the book, and wears a watch from Target.

In addition, he stopped receiving salary from Saddleback Church in 2002 – the year the book was released; repaid all the salary he ever received from the church; set up foundations; pays for all his own travel expenses; and practices reverse tithing – where he gives 90 percent of his income and lives on 10 percent.

“I don’t want anybody doubting why I do what I do,” Warren explained. “I know with this book God has put me under the spotlight and I didn’t want anyone doubting why I do what I do,” he said, noting his main goal in life is to simply save one more soul.

The best-selling author said it was easy to resolve the money that God had put in his hands – simply give it away, but the influence was trickier to deal with. But after reading in Psalm 72 about King Solomon asking God to make him more influential so he could help the needy and oppressed, Warren understood that his fame was meant to be used to help the voiceless.

So following that model, Warren and Kay advocate for the poor and oppressed by sometimes speaking to politicians and businessmen, or by mobilizing the church to help the weak and poor, especially children orphaned by AIDS.

“What is in your hand? What is your identity? What is your income? What is your influence?” Warren concluded. “If you will take it and give it to Jesus he will make it come alive. He will do things in your life you would never imagine,” promised the renowned Christian pastor.

Warren spoke at the conference right after stepping off a flight from Kenya, which was one of his stops during a 12-day trip to Africa. There, he met with church, business, and political leaders. The three-day 19th annual National Conference on Preaching concluded Wednesday.

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  • Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:07 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    CP2008,

    Thank you for your comments. I have not spent a lot of time researching RW and what he is doing now. I don't watch that much TV down here anymore. My comments mostly are based on the positive impact I have seen in the past from The Purpose Driven Life, actually the 40 Days of Purpose ministry material when used properly in a church. When it is used in conjunction with the small group studies and the weekly sermons at church, I think that it is an effective tool.

    I personally know people who gave their hearts to the Lord during those small group studies. On it's own, I think it may a little lacking. I don't think the original purpose of the book was to just be handed out as a means of spreading the Gospel (I may be wrong). But my point is, used properly it is a good tool.

    As far as everything else RW has been doing, like I said I don't agree with everything anybody does. I was not pleased about him giving his pulpit over to Hillary Clinton, even if it was an AIDS conference.

    I was under the impression and again, I may be wrong, but after Joel Osteen missed his opportunity on Larry King to present a clear Gospel, I thought I heard that (and maybe saw) excerpts from RW on Larry King where he laid it out wery well. But like I said, I may be wrong about that.

    I do think that some pastors can get a little overboard with trying to be TOO creative in their preaching. My sermons tend to be about 60% scripture and 40% Pablito.

    If RW is straying away from presenting a clear Gospel, I pray that he will find his way back. The truth is not hard to sell once you have an audience although not all will buy it (unfortunately).

    God bless,
    Pablito

  • Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:50 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    I have to say that Rick Warren is starting to punch some good buttons.

    Before we are too critical of what Mr. Warren has to say here, place yourself in Moses' position and be ready with your own staff to obey God's commandments.

  • Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:04 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    And one more thing, remember these warnings, Rom 14:4 “Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls.” (NIV)

    Rom 14:12-13 “So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another.” (NIV) God will take care of His servants.

    None of us knows what goes on with the day to day of all these preachers. We only hear the snippets and what others say about them. I would imagine you could pick a few things out of any of our lives and/or sermons and make us all look like heretics. Do any of us know how much salvation goes on in the back rooms of Saddleback or in the homes of the members or even the office of Rick Warren?

    I always looked at Purpose Driven Life, not so much as an evangelism tool, but as a Christian growth book. I watched it do wonders to the lives of believers in many churches and I also saw many become Christians as they were ministered to by others in their small groups and found salvation.

    Do I agree with everything Rick wrote? NO, but then again I don’t agree with everything anybody has written. Piper, MacArthur, McDonald, my theology professors and the list goes on and on. I know I see fruit from Rick Warren’s ministry and others and I would ask the critics to show us YOUR abundance of fruit before we listen to you attack them. Let’s get you and your ministries into the media and limelight and see how well you hold up to the test.

  • Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:40 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    I’m not here to say one way or another about Rick Warren and some of the others. But I will say this, go stand on a street corner and shout “Repent, for the Kingdom of God is here!” Count how many people come running to you for salvation. I’ve tried it, it doesn’t work. Open a church and preach repentance every week and see how many remain after a few weeks or even show up to begin with. I’ve seen it, it doesn’t work. The job of preaching the Gospel is not exclusive to pastors and the church building.

    Those who want to condemn seeker services and attracting people in different ways should take a close look at what Paul says in 1 Cor 9:20-23 “To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.” (NIV) SO THAT BY ALL POSSIBLE MEANS, I MIGHT SAVE....SOME!!!!

    I wish it was easy to do, my life would be simpler. But since it isn’t, I will give away clothes, addiction counseling, medical help, even serve sandwiches, cookies and coffee if it will get people in to our building to hear the Gospel. Until I get someone into my presence and willing to listen to me or someone else, I cannot share the Gospel with them. I want to look them in the eye and tell them about Jesus. Get them into a church and the body of Christ should be helping to do the ministering. I'm serving in a third world country where there is nothing to do, I can just imagine how hard it is to get to people in the rat race the US has become.

    Peter saw 3000 saved in one day, but who were they? They were Jews who were waiting for a Messiah and he convinced them that day that Christ, the one they crucified, was the one they waited for. These weren’t materialistic, gotta have it now, greedy, drug and alcohol addicted, fun and sun worshipping, sexually immoral Americans (or whoever) (and yes, I am an American). If they had been, I would imagine that he would have had to have taken a different approach to get them to listen to him.

  • Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:27 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    If living an improvished life is a sign of holiness, then all nuns and priest in the catholic faith are saints.
    The Bible tells us our jobs is bringing souls to Christ that is our purposed driven life. Material wealth is what the devil uses to ensnare us; he offered Jesus all the material things of this world.

  • Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:52 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 8

    Rick Warren....what is your FAITH??? Nevermind the "what's in your hand stuff!!!"

    This Pastor is not mine, nor is he millions of others either. Although some have equated him with being "America's Pastor," that is far from being true. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing, and instead of calling his book the Purpose Driven Life, what about the Christ-driven Life??? He doesn't make much of that, and he's in that category where he really believes he'll usher in the Kingdom of God on earth!! What arrogance?? Political and religiously correct, I DO NOT RECOMMEND ANYTHING THIS MAN HAS EVER WRITTEN!!! STICK TO YOUR BIBLES, OR BETTER YET, READ THE PURITANS!!!

    REPENT, Warren, THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND!!!

  • Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:26 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 6

    You know Ricky has some nerve showing up, after both him and Hybels Seeker-Sensitive Theology has been TOTALLY discredited by non other than Willow Creek and Hybels himself!!! Where is Warren's apology for destroying thousands of churches and "Christians" with "purpose driven" heresies?
    The message about the Rod of God is true. However, coming from Warren, it has no Holy Ghost power behind it. I hope those pastors already know this!! Maybe next year they will invite a real preacher like John McArthur or James MacDonald!
    LORD HELP US!!
    Hybels has made up for his misleading of millions off a cliff by adding to it! He just jumped into the snake pit with Brian McLaren and the worse-than-gnostic Emerging Church. McLaren's new book basically denies the EXCLUSIVITY OF CHRIST AS THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIFE. This very week, McLaren is corrupting America's youth at WillowCreek's Youth SHIFT Conference!
    Come to think of it, I can see why these people at the National Conference on Preaching would hang on every word of this clown - Rick Warren....they all want to be like him! He really thinks he is America's "pastor"!!

  • Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:11 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    Why are these 'saints' pursuing wealth? Are we not suppose to be making disciples? We store up treasure in heaven by the bringing new souls into the kingdom. Daniel says those who turn many to righteousness will shine like the stars.

  • Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:56 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction - 2Peter 2:1.

  • Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:08 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    btw coffee a good resource to start with...A BEREAN'S DISCERNMENT TOOL
    FOR THE PURPOSE DRIVEN LIFE
    http://cicministry.org/berean.php

    The Gospel: A Method or a Message?
    http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue80.htm

    Redefining Christianity Radio Broadcasts:
    http://cicministry.org/radio_series.php?series=redefining

    True and false Unity
    http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue88.htm

    How Pietism Deceives Christians (Yes, purpose driven is a form of pietism)
    http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue101.htm

    Redefining the Church:The Church Growth Movement's Unbiblical Definition of the Church
    http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue85.htm

    Recovering Reformation Theology: Rejecting Synergism and Returning to Monergism
    http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue93.htm

    Faulty Premises of the Church Growth Movement
    http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue89.htm

    “Church Health Award” From Rick Warren or Jesus Christ?
    A Study of the Seven Churches in Revelation
    http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue86.htm

  • Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:00 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    coffee, you need to do some reading of books other than the Purpose Driven Life. The truth is out there if you bother to look for it.

    " Moses used the staff to pull or push his sheep." They also use them to drive off the wolves of false teaching.

    However Rick Warren consistently uses his staff to beat any sheep that get out of line and eventually leave them behind if they don't 'get with the (unbiblical) purpose driven program.'

    coffee, go through PDL and find the place where he says "Pray this prayer - Jesus I believe you and I receive you - if you meant that prayer sincerely, welcome to the family of God." THEN go back from there and read UP to that point and try to find a coherent presentation of the gospel. This MUST include our complete deadness in sin, God's wrath directed against everyone who sins and the eventual destination of hell for all, the voluntary blood atonement, death, resurrection of Christ so that IF WE REPENT of our sins and surrender to God/Christ as Lord, we can have forgiveness of those sins and avert God's wrath.

    Jesus I believe you and I receive you, without explaining the situation, without turning your back on all others, is not enough.

  • Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:52 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Warren critics: are you all saying that he isn't saved, never was, lost it, or exactly what? Is he leading thousands to hell? Exactly what is he doing that is evil? Does every person following Christ have to have the same ministry as everyone else and use the same phraseology in communicating? Did Jesus use the exact same phrase over and over again? Or is he being criticized because he is so famous?

  • Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:14 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Hi Mikeymike you stated "i wonder how many of you would keep only 10% of your money and give away 90%,
    Perhaps you should read this article about that very topic
    http://nogoofyzone.wordpress.com/2008/03/24/rick-and-kay-warren-and-their-acts-of-mercy-foundation/
    Peace

  • Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:26 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    For those supporters of Rick Warren let Christ be the baseline by which we determine if someone is preaching as Jesus preached:

    Mat 4:17 From that time began Jesus to preach, and to say, Repent ye; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

    Mar 1:15 and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe in the gospel.

    Mar 6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

    Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
    Act 2:37-38 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and the rest of the apostles, Brethren, what shall we do? (38) And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

    For those of you who want to say Rick is preaching the gosepl then answer this one questions - where is the message of REPENTANCE!????

  • Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:56 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Is Pastor Warren not doing what Jesus said to do? John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. Also what about Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. My dear friends there are many ways to serve our Lord and do as He told us to do.

  • Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:48 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Who did Jesus associate with??? Sinners, tax collectors etc. !!! Why is Rick Warren associating with them is a more appropriate question. If we rid ourselves of associating with sinners, we would hardly be able to look even ourselves in the mirror.

  • Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:14 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    All of you Rick Warren apologists obviously are suffering from Kool-Aid poisoning, because you didn't read the clear objections which were stated by the commentors you were so quick to gainsay. As far as giving away 90 percent of income, good works are as filthy rags without Christ, and I'm not so sure that Mr. Warren and he are all that well acquainted.

  • Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:02 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    I think we christian “theologian” often spending too much energy on shooting down other christian and pastor. Please don’t criticize a pastor a false prophet just because one of his books didn’t "emphasis" the complete message of the Gospel. (It’s all depended on what kind of book and topic they are emphasis about.)

    And how would he know that his book would sell? Please be a bit cautious in “condemning/criticizing” rich people now. Since GOD allowed them to be rich. Who knows "Why" GOD chooses to let him have such a level of financial wealth, being a megastar pastor and not just a forceful “everyone gets the same”?

    Jesus said “No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. Each tree is recognized by its own fruit.” (Luke6: 43-44) So far I only see Pastor Rick did lots of good works in glorifying Jesus name. So brothers sisters, let us learn to be humble and appreciate of what people did rather then throwing eggs. :)

  • Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:30 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "Provide a link or other documentation where Mr. Warren has proclaimed the clear and unambiguous Biblical gospel to a crowd of unbelievers."

    Think you might be asking for the impossible...

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:04 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 3

    "Everything I have heard or read against him has been without substance"

    Well then you haven't read very much or you are believing what you want to believe. Rick Warren says one thing to one crowd, another thing to another, and never EVER preaches the true gospel of Jesus Christ, exhorting sinners to repent and turn to Christ. He blatantly misuses scripture CONSTANTLY, as he once again did in this forum, to propel his own ideas and make them sound Biblical when they are not. Those who oppose him are doing so Biblically, marking him as the false prophet that he is, as he is leading many down the wide road to hell with his social gospel and different jesus. He blatantly disobeys II Corinthians 6:14 that commands not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers - yet he continually allies with government officials, groups, and even other religions to further his own mission, which is NOT God's mission. Rick Warren's god is not the God of the Bible as revealed in scripture, and THAT is the substance of why Rick Warren is a false teacher and should be rejected by TRUE believers. His unholy alliances with other religions, the UN, the Council on Foreign relations, and all the other groups that he panders to show his true colors to anyone who has eyes to see and ears to hear. I hope that those of you who defend Warren will come to recognize who Warren really is through the lens of scripture. I John 4:5 speaks of men like Warren who will be loved by the world because they are of the world. Jesus was rejected and crucified by the world, and he said we would too. Warren is lauded and praised by politicians, media, even other religions. Jesus came not to bring peace but a sword. Warren's goal is world peace and he has no regard for converting those in other religions (which you will hear in the other half of his speeches to select other groups). The point is, those who defend Warren do not know the scriptures otherwise they would see the truth. Warren is a liar, a false prophet, and a man-pleaser.

    "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple." -Romans 16:17-18

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:58 pm Agree: 11   Disagree: 3

    i wonder how many of you would keep only 10% of your money and give away 90%, and drive the same old truck and live in the same old house even though you just made gazillions of dollars off a book. you people seem to condemn everyone, look at the plank of wood in your own eye, i cant stand this self righteousness, we all fall short of the Glory of God, and i think he's setting a good example to other megachurch pastors who drive around in bentleys and have million dollar homes and private jets and tell people they will get out of debt by sowing more seed. i think he is being a man of integrity. thanks for the example pastor warren

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:55 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    "“I don’t want anybody doubting why I do what I do,” Warren explained. “I know with this book God has put me under the spotlight and I didn’t want anyone doubting why I do what I do,” he said, noting his main goal in life is to simply save one more soul."
    doesnt joel osteen say the same thing?

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:45 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    "But after reading the Bible about King Solomon asking God to make him famous so he could help the oppressed and those without influence" - i cant recall where in the bible Solomon asked for fame. can anyone help me here? isnt it the exact opposite, because solomon didnt ask for fame,wealth that God was pleased and gave him more than just the wisdom he asked for.

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:29 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 5

    I no longer trust Rick Warren because of who he associates with including Barrack Hussein Obama and other new age spiritualists such as Ken Blanchard. For all you R.W. lovers do some research about who this guy is doing business with these days.

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:20 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    "Megastar Pastor", is he like the Protestant Pope?

  • DRJ »
    Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:12 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Identity, income, and influence...These alliterative ideals make for good oratory, but also reveal the heart of one who embraces the Social Gospel. Jesus identified with the common man, the poorest people on earth, and in His lifetime (on earth) registered limited influence! If we are to be like Jesus, we need to IDENTIFY ourselves as commissioned believers who share the True Gospel (salvation) with all people everywhere. We also must beware the lure of INCOME that will make productive service in the kingdom very difficult. We definitely must use our relationship with Jesus to INFLUENCE as many people as we can for as long as we draw a breath to believe in Jesus Christ, our Lord and God! Amen?

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:11 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    I know a number of brothers that speak against Rick Warren. None of which have met him, or really have a case against him. Everything I have heard or read against him has been without substance, and I think that is really weak. The negative commentators above should be ashamed. If you have a case, lets hear it. Otherwise you should repent, and grow up.

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:31 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 7

    I wonder what would Erasmo of Rotherdam think of this sermon? This is allegorizing to a such point that one has to ask, Well, how do you know, Rick, that it is so? Is this an interpretation of the text, or merely a sermon that had to have some textual basis so let's find something there...? I mean, the snake is also a symbol of Satan, so are we to draw any meaning from that analogy? I think that this sermon shows how far from the Scripture modern Evangelicalism is.

  • JHS »
    Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:25 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 8

    Preachers like John Hagee, Pat robertson, kenneth copeland, creflo dollar etc, could not hold a candle to this guy as far as the hell fire and brimstone bible thumping crowd that is so critical of him, that's nothing more than pure jealously, plain and simple!

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:09 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 5

    These miracles were performed to show they were from God, not man. Moses was used by God. When God came to earth in human form through our Lord Jesus, He performed miracles to the nation of Israel to show them who He was. It has nothing to do with our strength but His strength through us. We are nothing without His power in us. The narrow gate is the only path, and Rick Warren is going down the wide one and taking millions down with him. Are you going to put your eternal soul on the line by going by what Rick says or what the bible says?

  • Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:39 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    This man takes a lot of hits from many. I am not sure if I had the kind of success he has had I would handle it as well. I pray he continues to use his influence and further the Gospel of Christ.

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