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Society|Fri, Apr. 11 2008 03:12 PM EDT

Obama Promises to 'Usher' Gay Employment Bill

By Ethan Cole|Christian Post Reporter

Leading Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama promised to “usher” the passage of a non-discriminatory employment bill benefiting homosexuals if he was elected president, he said in a recent interview with a well-known gay magazine.

The Illinois senator listed passage of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) and elimination of the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy as the two actions he aims to take to help bolster the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) community, according to the The Advocate interview posted Thursday.

“I reasonably can see ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ eliminated. I think that I can help usher through an Employment Non-Discrimination Act and sign it into law,” Obama responded when asked what he plans to do for the LGBT community if elected.

He also vowed to work towards passing the “strongest possible bill” to help the LGBT community and claimed to be probably the most vocal presidential candidate on gay issues to the general audience in history.

But Obama’s comment is likely to ruffle some feathers of prominent Christian conservative leaders who see the ENDA bill as infringing on religious liberty and putting the integrity of their faith-based ministries in jeopardy.

ENDA seeks to make it illegal for employers to make decisions on hiring, firing, promoting or paying an employee based on sexual orientation. The bill, if passed, would add “sexual orientation” to a list of federally protected classes under a 1964 act that prohibits job discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin.

Outspoken ENDA opponent, Bishop Harry R. Jackson, Jr. of Hope Christian Church in the Washington, D.C. area, argued during an anti-ENDA press conference last fall that the bill would foster confusion in churches and its related programs.

Referencing his church’s day care and aftercare program, Jackson said if ENDA passes, the children in the ministry would be sent “unclear signals” as Jackson preaches against homosexuality while a “radically different” message is sent by a church daycare employee.

Others raised questions on how human resource managers would apply the bill in the real world. They emphasized that someone can easily be identified as black, female or of a particular religion, but there is no way to identify someone’s sexual orientation except by a confession by the individual.

As a result, it would be difficult to distinguish if a person was fired because of their poor performance or for their sexual identity.

“It (ENDA) is not needed, all that is needed is men and women to decide who they are and go to work everyday and do their job,” stated the Rev. Rick Scarborough who heads Vision America – a grassroots movement to restore Christian values in society.

Christian leaders who oppose ENDA include Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission; Matt Barber, policy director for cultural issues at Concerned Women for America; and Tony Perkins president of Family Research Council, among others.

Other policies that Obama said he supports in The Advocate interview include making federal benefits available to same-sex couples who have a civil union, and repealing the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) that would force states that don’t recognize same-sex “marriages” to legally acknowledge those that were performed in other states.

David Brody, a senior national correspondent for the Christian Broadcasting Network, commented, “Obama has an appeal to some Evangelicals but too much pro-choice, pro-gay rights talk will turn them off…along with some of the African American vote.”

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  • Tue May 13, 2008 10:03 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    star2 - keep your religeon out of my government as the U.S. constitution indicates. Otherwise, I will continue to fight for my equality and fair treatment in ALL respects. That includes my right to be open and truthful about who I am in public.

  • Sat May 10, 2008 6:49 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    outsail

    Keep your homosexuality in your bedroom and out of the public square.

  • Mon May 05, 2008 2:30 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    My god made me Gay. I praise him every day. Stay out of my bedroom and leave me alone. America is tired of your hate.

  • Fri May 02, 2008 8:03 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    look let them be who they want to be

  • Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:58 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Hey 1

    Homos are not wantin to change cus theys loves their sin more than God. God can change the homo if the homo will lets Him.

  • Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:56 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Hey scitsonga

    Yous got bad logic. God mades everythin but He made boy to like girl and girl to like boy in romance kind of way. If it isn't that a way its cus of satan.

  • Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:54 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Hey 1

    No theys don't. Them scientists haves no idea of what truth is. God puts into yours DNA what your sex orientation is a goin to be. If yous got XY then yous a boy with alls the attritbutes of a boy. If yous got XX then yous a girl with alls the attributes of a girl. Boy likes girl in a romance kind of way. Girl likes boy in a romance kind of way. Thats how God mades it. Satan is the one who is a trying to makes you think different. Yous may not be a thinkin so, but God will win. You'll see on judgement day. No homo will go to heaven. Thats in the Bible.

  • 1 »
    Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:20 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    hey pattiepie,

    people have done studies that show a connection between genes and homosexuality. lesbians are far more likely to have a lesbian/bisexual sister than non-lesbians. people cants chooses theirs sexual orientations .

  • Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    If a God made the universe and life, then God would also have also made gays because the ones I know were born that way.- Simple logic.

  • 1 »
    Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    goodnight

  • 1 »
    Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mees ameenin sin(90-x) cus wes was talkin about sin

  • 1 »
    Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    what about cosine?

  • 1 »
    Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:12 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    why would God write something like that?
    wouldn't He want to encourage love between his people?
    the only thing wrong with homosexuality is that it makes heterosexuals feel uncomortable
    it is probably easer for heterosexuals to overcome their fear of homosexuality than for homosexuals to overcome their homosexuality. it it were so easy for homos' to be converted, why don't they all convert?

  • Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:49 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    God did create all men
    Men however are all predisposed towards sin.
    Nothing in scripture adjures us to coddle, support or wink at sin.
    On the contrary, we are admonished to deny ourselves, take up our cross and follow Christ and to exhort our fellow brethren to godliness.

    2Ti 4:2-4 "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
    For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

  • Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:50 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 4

    For all those who say it is un-christian, I have this to say " LGBT's in this country are also christians!!!!" They are our breatheren. Just like in a family, we accomodate divergent viewpoints on the dinner table, we should show compassion & understanding to their needs. If we beleive GOD is responsible for creating all human beings, then we need to understand it is the same GOD who has created people with tendencies towards homosexuality. I am not a big fan of Obama, but we need to support any legislation that is good for our country. God Bless America!!!!

  • Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:10 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

    1

    Because God says it is. God created everything and He decided what the laws would be to control what He created. Mankind has no say so in the matter.

    Lev 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

    Lev 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they sahll surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

    God created sex. God decided how it was to be engaged in. God created sex to be engaged in between a man and a woman in a marriage relationship. To engage in sex in any other way is a sin. If you don't like it, then take it up with God.

  • 1 »
    Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:58 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    why is homosexuality a sin?

  • GMG »
    Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ifeelfine

    I flagged ONE of your posts a while back, told you I did and why I did as soon as I did it, and I considered it very offensive or I would never have flagged it (obviously, since I so rarelty flag). Be that as it may, I do understand getting testy from time to time, and appreciate your acknowledgement.

  • Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    GMG: You told me you flagged my post - it might have been a little abrasive but certainly wasn't offensive or untrue . . . and I'll admit, I was a little angry when I read Star's post. She makes wild accusations and doesn't back them up. I said I don't flag very often (maybe three or four times total) - sorry for the shrapnel.

  • Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    ifeelfine72

    If you would have read more carefully then you would have noticed that I accused you of flagging my post Saturday night along with flagging yours. The way I know is how CP removes flagged posts. If you flag yourself, it is removed fairly quickly. If someone else flags you, it remains for quite awhile. Such is what happened Saturday night. I flagged myself twice. You were flagged once and someone flagged my post that was given in response to something you said, namely, that gays wanted acceptance. Your post as well as my two posts that I personally flagged were removed together. However, the post that I wrote that was flagged by someone else wasn't removed by CP until much later. I just asumed that you were the one who did it since it wasn't too long after you flagged yourself mine was flagged. If I am wrong then please accept my apologies.


    The ones on Sunday night I said that maybe you did but I also said that maybe it was dongard. But if it was you then you did wrong. Whoever flagged it was wrong. I got flagged again today. I suspect it is dongard. But whoever it is that person can't handle the truth about how hetrosexuals view the sexual behavior of gays. so be it. The person can flag me all he wants. He can't remove from his mind what I said.

  • Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Quecat,
    I busted out laughing when you said lets all go back to Woodstock. That is hilarious as I haven't thought about Woodstock in a few years now. Good points. 5 thumbs up.

  • GMG »
    Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ifeelfine,

    Excuse me, but would you like to define for me my standards for flagging posts? I would really appreciate your insight.

    Oh, don't want to commit yourself here? Then let me do it for you.

    In the approximately 6 months or so that I have been active on this site, I do not even need one hand to count the number of posts I have flagged. Can you say the same? If you can, fine. But don't presume to know my actions without even asking me.

  • Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Star: First you say "I know you flagged my post" and then later in the same post you ask if I did - make up your mind. For the record, I haven't flagged any of your posts. I've given both of you lots of "Thumb's down's" before but never deleted your posts. If I used GMG's standard for flagging posts I probably would have lots of times - including the one I am responding to right now. I've only flagged a few times and they were obvious examples of spam.

  • Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:52 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    dongard said "if there truely is a god we must strive to share our existence with our fellow creatures."

    OH? and how did you come to that conclusion? Did your 'maybe god" reveal that to you as being his will?
    I am surrounded daily by fellow existing creatures. That wasn't very hard, now was it?
    oh - sorry - actually what you meant to espouse was some sort of man made paradise that is expected to come about through all encompassing tolerance and "love". Let's all go back to Woodstock!

    Actually God has revealed his will. That is that we spread the gospel to every nation, tribe and tongue and to make disciples of men.
    God's expressed will does not include coddling sinners and encouraging them to "be true to themselves" or to embrace some other similar feel-good garbage philosophy.
    God's expressed will is - Repent!

  • Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:10 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    dongard,
    No need to be sad for me, it is I that is sad for you. Here is why.
    There is a way that seems right to a man but the end thereof is the way of death. Proverbs 16:25
    But there is a way out of this.
    If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9
    Trust in the Lord with all your heart and LEAN NOT ON YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING, in all your ways acknowledge Him and He will make your paths straight. Proverbs 3:5,6

  • Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:13 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    ifeelfine72

    I know that you flagged your post last night and mine that was an answer to your post. You were in the wrong to flag my post. There wasn't anything I said that called for it being flagged.

    Did you flag GMG and my post tonight? Or was someone else like perhaps dongard.

    If it was you, ifeelfine72, again you did wrong. There is nothing wrong with what GMG said. Contrary to what you want to believe, homosexuals can come out of that sin sick bondage.

    Whether any homosexual wants to admit it or not, their sexual behavior is repulsive and disgusting to many hetrosexuals.

    God created the male and the female to be sexually attracted to each other. It is written in their DNA. To be attracted to the same sex goes against nature.

  • GMG »
    Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:19 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Why would someone flag my post? I will repost it.


    Brunella,

    Thank you for that excellent link. For those of you who might not know, Joe Dallas is an ex-homosexual who was active in pro-gay theology. He has written a number of books and is active in a ministry of sexual addiction recovery and homosexuality. His web site is joedallas.com.

  • GMG »
    Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Brunella

    Thank you for that excellent link. For those of you who don't know, Joe Dallas is an ex-homosexual who lived a life as a Christian homosexual active in pro-gay theology. He has written several books and has a ministry in the area of sexual addiction recovery. His website is joedallas.com

  • Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:34 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 4

    terryh

    how sad i am for you, blinded those who hate. crimes are real but sin is a construct designed to control. faith is real but organized religion is a tool of powerful to intimidate and your story was an excellent example of this.

    life is precious and you are living it as you have been instructed. see it as it exists outside of the hubris of the rich and powerful whatever their own station. open your eyes and see the rich diversity that surrounds us. if there truely is a god we must strive to share our existence with our fellow creatures.

  • Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:42 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 3

    There is no bigotry in not condoning sinful behavior. It is just like you would probably say to someone that was complaining about violence in a movie. If you do not want to see it don't watch it. If these people in this town did not want to see a homosexual then don't go there. As far as your jews in germany this is irrelevant to the story as there is no sin in the jews being in germany. Homosexuality is sin and immoral. Remember regardless of the cause my friend lost his business due to the homosexuals lifestyle. Are the people of a community bigots because they refuse to by hardware from a hardware store owner that is a known drug dealer? You might answer drug dealing is against the law. So is homosexuality in the eyes of God.

  • Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    kc - http://www.narth.com/docs/dallas.html

  • Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:30 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    terryH
    i made no assumption about anyone's race or ethnic origin. your story could have been set anywhere from Japan to South America. I was pointing out that bigotry is an unfortunately enduring feature in our species with just a couple of obvious examples from our own recent history.

    you still, however, do not face the real issue and the real evil here. your friend did the right thing and hired the homosexual. the people of the town were nasty, their is no other way to put it. they in effect told your friend, do as we say, no matter what you have done before. we don't like that "boy" you got. get rid of him or we will destroy you too. you make no reference to any misbehavior on his part. this is godly and good behavior?

    what if he had been a seven day adventist (that's certainly can be changed)? should a man be fired simply to appease the bigoted hate of the community. would your friend have been right to fire a jew in a small town in 1930's germany?

  • Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:39 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    dongard wrote:
    moreover there is no evidence that the christianists favorite example Sodom or Gormorrah ever existed. much less were destroyed. am i wrong?

    can anyone verify the actual remains from a creditable neutral source?

    Yes you are wrong. Here is your source.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgQHQ992Wnw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dkoSJt6xfY&feature=related

  • Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:17 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    dongard,
    Isee what you mean in narrow mindedness. Your assumption is that my friend is white which is narrowmindedness. Actually he is African American. The majority of the folks in that town are white and the homosexual man was white. The moral of the story is not about nationality or race, but immorality. We cannot change our race or nationality, but one can change their lifestyle.

  • Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:55 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 4

    terryH

    the real moral in your story is that the people in that town were narrow minded bigots. replace the word homosexual with negro or irish and the tale would ring just as true.

    the difference is now our government is willing to step in and draw a line. your solution is that the homosexual (who is not immoral) should have sacrificed his life to please those who wanted to display their hatred and bigotry. would that please jesus?

  • Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:39 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 5

    True story,
    A friend of mine owned a thriving restaurant business in this small town of about 4,000 residents. He had local employees and according to them he was not stingy in taking care of them. He divided some of the monthly profits and included them in their last of the month paycheck as a means of profit sharing. He had six employees, five of which had been with him since the beginning of his business 15 years ago. A homosexual man applied for a position in response to a sign posted in the window that the restaurant was hiring. My friend is hard-core heterosexual but has a motto "what you do on your own time is your business as long as it doesn't affect my business." Because my friend new the discrimination laws of hiring, and as an equal opportunity employer as well, outside of this mans preference of his sexual lifestyle my friend could not find a reason not to hire him. Other applicants applied but did not meet the qualifications for the position of a lead cook. My friend hired this man out of the laws on the books and the man did a good job. The more the community found out that a homosexual man was cooking their food the less business my friend did as the patrons went somewhere else. My friends business dropped like a 50-pound rock dropped from a 10-story building. My friend told this man that he was going to have to let him go because his lifestyle was affecting the business. This man sued my friend and won due to discrimination. Now my friend along with all of his faithful employees that stuck with him and helped the business to flourish lost everything because of some jerk wanting and pushing his immoral lifestyle. Beware business owners of the underlying motive of discrimination before hiring homosexuals.

  • Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:56 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    Are you kidding me, there are many different laws already on the books that protect everyone against everything, this is nothing more then a loser trying to pander to a special interest group for their votes, ENDA needs to die and stay gone. There is already many different workplace non discrimination laws on the books, end the special treatment and enforce the laws already there...

  • Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:18 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    kc:
    Wow. That is a liberally revised translation you've got there.

  • Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:46 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    For those who think Jesus did not address certain old testament laws:

    Matthew 5:17-20 (The Message)
    Completing God's Law
    17-18"Don't suppose for a minute that I have come to demolish the Scriptures— either God's Law or the Prophets. I'm not here to demolish but to complete. I am going to put it all together, pull it all together in a vast panorama. God's Law is more real and lasting than the stars in the sky and the ground at your feet. Long after stars burn out and earth wears out, God's Law will be alive and working.
    19-20"Trivialize even the smallest item in God's Law and you will only have trivialized yourself. But take it seriously, show the way for others, and you will find honor in the kingdom. Unless you do far better than the Pharisees in the matters of right living, you won't know the first thing about entering the kingdom.

  • Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:36 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    Homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals. Homosexuals can marry a person of the opposite sex just like heterosexuals, but they choose not to do so.

    Homosexuals are pleading for "special" rights, rights that heterosexuals don't have already. Heterosexuals can't marry whoever or whatever, but just like homosexuals, heterosexuals, if they choose, can marry anybody of the opposite sex.

  • Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:14 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 5

    Bravo obama! People are more concerned with the sexual aspects of homosexuality, judging from the comments below, and not the basic love two adults share for each other, and the much better world we would have when all people have the same rights and benefits as others. long way to go.

  • Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:13 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 5

    moreover there is no evidence that the christianists favorite example Sodom or Gormorrah ever existed. much less were destroyed. am i wrong?

    can anyone verify the actual remains from a creditable neutral source?

  • Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:03 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    star 2

    name one society that has collapsed because of homosexuality. and provide one peer reviewed source to backup your claim.

  • Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:33 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    I believe it was feelfine2 who posted that homosexuals are probably just as disgusted with heterosexual sex. Well let me educate you ! That is exactly how we all got here including homosexuals. If it weren't for man and woman no one would be here, not man and man.

  • Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ifeelfine72

    Re:But if you find it all that repulsive, then don't do it.

    I don't do it. I am not gay.

    I am hetrosexual. I am not sexually immoral.

    (I flagged myself)

  • Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:48 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 3

    God loves all people, including gays, and He hates all sin, including homosexuality. If I owned a business, I'd like to be free to hire who I want and then fire them if their lifestyle interferred with my own philosophy about how to my business should operate. If Obama had his way, I believe Government would have its nose in all my business, including my preference to not be associated with homosexuals. I'd rather have the right to choose who works for me than for the government to have the right to take away my freedom of choice.

    Hope Page: http://itsallaboutjesusnotme.blogspot.com

  • Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:01 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 3

    The anus is not anatomically designed to be penetrated by a male penis; the overlapping (ship lapped) folds inside are designed to facilitate excretion (out going) of feces, not incoming objects. This is why homosexuals will oftentimes bleed, which leads to other major problems. Sodomy is almost unheard of in the animal kingdom, which demonstrates nature in yet another form.

  • Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:12 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

    ifeelfine72

    You cannot deny the fact that sin abounded in their society and they embraced homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle. There is, of course, no one single reason for a fall of a nation but you cannot leave out that abominable sin, of which homosexuality is one of them, abounded in their society.

    God judged Sodom and Gomorrah not only for their abomionable sexual behavior but also for their pride, haughtiness, laziness, given over to the pleasures of their flesh, and their lack of concern for the poor and needy.

    God will judge a nation for their abominations. He won't destroy them like He did Sodom and Gomorrah but He will bring them to nothing.

    You cannot thumb your nose in the moral face of God and not expect to suffer the consequences. That goes for an individual or for a nation.

  • Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:04 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 4

    TW: If gay people were accepted for who they are (not what they are or their sexual orientation) there would be no gay pride parade. Tell me, in the 50's would you have used civil rights rallies as a justification for Jim Crow? I bet not. The only organization being done is because of folks who are interested in making gay and keeping gay people second class citizens.

    Star: The downfall of nations hasn't been because of their acceptance of sin. It's primarily been because of apathetic populaces who "take their eye off the ball," (in other words, allow leaders to get away with more than they should, imperialistic leaders who felt the need to get in other countrys' business and beccause of unsustainable economic systems.

  • Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:03 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Isn't The Spirit of christ that Apostle Paul had? I couldn't understand why people say Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuality .Read the bk of romans ch1:24-28 .I saw a few books written to discredit apostle Paul by the so called "scholars" in order to promote their hidden agenda like homosexualite and others.

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