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Settlement Allows Presbyterian Church to Leave Denomination

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

The Pittsburgh Presbytery and a large breakaway congregation reached a settlement that will allow the church to leave the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) along with its property.

Memorial Park Presbyterian Church, formerly Pittsburgh Presbytery's largest church, is to become the sole owner of their $7 million property on Thursday, when presbytery officials are expected to approve a $575,000 out-of-court settlement. The approval also dismisses Memorial Park to the smaller and more conservative Evangelical Presbyterian Church denomination.

"Pittsburgh Presbytery wants to put this matter behind us so we can focus our full energies on Christ's mission in Allegheny County," said the Rev. Doug Portz, acting pastor to the presbytery, according to Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

"Divisions within the church are indications of our brokenness and our need for Christ's healing."

The split was about seven years in the making.

Conflict arose when PC(USA) General Assembly would not affirm singular saving Lordship of Jesus Christ during the summer of 2001.

"The catalyst all along has not been homosexuality and homosexual ordination," the Rev. Dr. D. Dean Weaver, senior pastor of Memorial Park, explained earlier. "The issue all along has been who is Jesus and what the Church believes and what the Bible is – the real bedrock foundational issues of the faith."

Memorial Park church members overwhelmingly voted last June to seek peaceful dismissal from Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) over the denomination's departure from traditional doctrines concerning the Holy Trinity, salvation and the authority of the Bible.

Negotiations to allow Memorial Park to leave with its property, however, never got anywhere, according to Weaver. The church offered $500,000 in September to obtain ownership but the presbytery was asking for $1.2 million.

When no amicable resolution was reached months later, Memorial Park leaders voted in January to file suit, disaffiliate from the national church and realign with Evangelical Presbyterian Church.

"Our church leadership felt we needed some way to move this to its conclusion, so we filed a civil suit," said Jim Belliveau, clerk of session and a church elder at Memorial Park, as reported by Pittsburgh Tribune Review. "The issue is over property, not doctrine or theology, and civil court is the appropriate place where the case should be heard."

The settlement this week "sets no precedent in dealing with such situations," the Pittsburgh Presbytery stressed in a statement.

Memorial Park is the second in Allegheny County to leave PC(USA), following Beverly Heights Presbyterian Church, which was dismissed in October.

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  • Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    RevRoss & presbylaw:

    Thanks for the input.

    PAX

  • Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:03 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Allen

    This may seem like the "Christ-like" thing to do, but you're treading a dangerous path.
    Scripture admonishes us:
    1Ti 5:22 "Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure."
    Are you "partaking of other men's sins" when you support false doctrines financially?
    Those that you are supporting, what are they teaching to those who would be babes in Christ? Sound doctrine?
    Matt 18:6 "But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea."

    Are your dollars supporting an organization that is going to teach their congregants moral relativism regarding homosexual relations or other behaviors defined by the bible as sin? Are these congregants going to enter into sin on the advice of these teachings?

    2Jo 1:7-11 "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
    Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.
    He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
    If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. "

  • Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:36 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I am a member of one of the larger (and more wealthy) Presbyterian Churches that left the PCUSA last year and joined the EPC. We took the 'high road' and offered a continued contribution to the Presbyter for the next four years. We did this because the Presbyter relied very much on our funding and we wanted to display Christ's love.
    Make no mistake that we very much disagreed with the changing Theology of the denomation but missionaries and other staff were dependant on the contribution our church. This action surprised many throughout the PCUSA and became a model for other churches seeking to leave.

  • Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    tamna you wrote: "It takes two to tango as they say. PC (USA) has to have someone to "fight tooth and nail" with over church property." You are exactly right it does take two. One is an uwilling "dance" partner - the church that wants to move on beyond the PCUSA. I mentioned that churches have the alternative of simply staying and staying quiet - that's one way to aviod the "fight over property." The other is for a congregation to be prepared simply to walk away and leave the building empty - again no "property fight." However, if a church feels called to continue its ministry, then Presbytery will intervene with all of the civil and ecclesiastical legal clout it can pay for.

  • JHS »
    Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:43 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    It is just wrong for presbyteries or diocese to keep what they have not paid for, but then again if I was losing members by the thousands and needed money, guess you can see their point, just greedy power hungry people with failed policies and theology trying to justify their existence!

  • Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:23 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Tamna,
    For an example of a church that choose to walk away rather then fight for the property, Look at Lighthouse in Paola, KS. You can find the entire list of churches in various states of leaving on my list at http://churchlist.blogspot.com/. Many churches do consider whether to leave or split or stay after much study.

  • Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:11 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    RevRoss:

    Thanks so much for the input. If I understand you correctly, it still appears to come down to fights over real estate. It takes two to tango as they say. PC (USA) has to have someone to "fight tooth and nail" with over church property. But admittedly the goings on of the PC(USA) are of little interest to me other than providing comic relief. Take care.

  • Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:49 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    tamna, you wrote: "I have yet to see a "breakaway" church actually "shake the dust from its sandals" and leave the PC(USA) . Rather all I hear about is negotiations, threats of court action and real estate prices." There are many churches now that have let, shaking the dust off their feet. The reason you hear of negotiations and court actions is becuase presbyteries fight churches tooth and nail to keep church property. The pastors and people of churches wanting to leave the PCUSA have no interest in court cases. They have no choice in the matter. If they want to change denominations they know they have an uphill fight ... or they stay PCUSA.

  • Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:23 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 7

    Diana626,

    I encourage you to earn a degree in Scripture. Once you have it you will see that our division is based on our own interpretation because of our own experiences. The older your denomination is the more it has in common with Catholicism and the more it is newer the more it has in common with irrelevance. Today's worship service in most Non-denominations is extremely worldly.

    Churches of the Reformation have a lot in common with the patrimony of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. You show yourself not to be very objective. Just because the Catholics view differs with you, then I would ask who are you and why are you important? What is important is when the leaders of denominations get together to forge understanding.

    One hundred years ago our church would have said the Catholic Church is Apostate, now after getting to know them and have deep discussions, many of which were heated but charitable, we find they have come a long way and we firmly see them as fellow Christians.

  • Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:55 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Quecat,

    I salute you and your wife's willingness to stay grounded in sound biblical doctrine, it takes courage and you did the right thing ! We must always use discernment so as not to be led astray- this is an age of deception and I too want no part of it. May the LORD bless you for your steadfast perserverance to HIS TRUTH.

  • Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:35 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Folks, reality check here. It ain't about Christ. It ain't about theological differences. It's about money. Why does it take so long for churches to leave the PC(USA)? It ain't about "periods of discernment" or "unity" or other such nonsense. It's about lawyers, courts and money. I have yet to see a "breakaway" church actually "shake the dust from its sandals" and leave the PC(USA) . Rather all I hear about is negotiations, threats of court action and real estate prices.

  • Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:33 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Diana626,

    "There is no unity without truth (sorry the pope doesn't speak truth either and the apostate church of Rome is no more unified than any other heresy)."

    However, the Catholics know who are the dissenters within their own ranks precisely because they have 'official' church teaching with which to hold as a reference point. It's quite easy to state that Scripture is our authority, but that does not solve the problem if two or more people (or two or more groups of people) disagree on points of doctrine based on differing interpretations of a certain passage.

  • Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:52 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 0

    Unity for the sake of unity alone is foolishness.
    If we are truly led of the Holy Spirit in our understanding of scripture - why would we even consider compromising those truths for sake of some ecumenical love-fest?

    If the church that you are attending is headed down the wrong path, don't be afraid to search for a new fellowship! It's becoming harder and harder to find a good bible believing, bible teaching church that will not compromise the word of God in an effort to cozy up to the world and it's so-called wisdom.

    I walked out a baptist fellowship 3 years ago after sitting through I don't know how many sermons that were increasingly watered-down, seeker-sensitive, relevant-to-your-life type of trash. The straw that broke the camel's back was when we received a "special" invitation to "those led of God" within the church to take part in an intensive year long weekly "study".
    Imagine my surprise when I was told that I need not bring my bible to the study!
    What's more that my spouse and I could not attend the study together as it would be "counter-productive" to us being free to be completely honest in "encounter sessions" with our group.
    After perusing the material and discovering that most of the contributors to the material were well known representatives of humanistic, secular and psychological thought - and that scripture quotes were few and far between in the "study" material - and that the goal of 'study" was to initiate us into "a whole new paradigm" or way of thinking about Christ....and seemed more centered on writing letters of forgiveness to "our inner child" and other such psychobabble - we roundly rejected the course!
    Although we wrote a letter of concern to our pastor about the course, he defended it!!! and the response we were given was essentially the left foot of fellowship right out the door.
    It was heart wrenching to lose contact with so many friends, but at the same time we knew that for our own spiritual health, that we just couldn't subject ourselves to such non-biblical teachings anymore.
    Thank God we found a sound, bible teaching, uncompromising church. It's a small fellowship and we don't have a big fancy building and lots of programs, but we are a close-knit group that loves the Lord and loves each other!
    I am constantly mindful that so often I may be taught something and remember it without recalling the source from which it came. Now were I to foolishly allow myself to sit under the teachings of someone propagating tainted doctrine - those teachings get filed away in my mind and may at some point be recalled as "a teaching that I once heard" - and I may unwittingly apply that spurious principle to my life and much to my detriment.
    Like the old Petra song goes; "garbage in, garbage out!" be careful what you allow to enter your mind!

  • Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:42 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 1

    EvanCal,
    There is no unity without truth (sorry the pope doesn't speak truth either and the apostate church of Rome is no more unified than any other heresy). If "professed Christians" do not believe in what the Bible says and who Christ is as declared in scripture, there is no unity and will always be division. Light and dark have nothing in common (so says the Christ, as found in the Word of God).

  • Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:43 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Jesus said in Matthew 10:33-38 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. [34] Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. [35] For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. [36] And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. [37] He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. [38] And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

    It's NOT a eazy road!

  • Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:30 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 8

    How many more times must we evangelicals and reformed Christians split. Maybe there is something valuable in having a Pope and it is very hard for me to say this. When will the division stop?

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