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Society|Tue, Apr. 22 2008 01:54 PM EDT

Christians Find Alternatives to Pro-Gay 'Day of Silence'

By Alexander J. Sheffrin|Christian Post Correspondent

Thousands of students across the nation will participate on Friday in what has become known as "The Day of Silence" – a vow among students to remain silent throughout the day in recognition and protest of the perceived “silence faced by lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people and their allies in schools.”

First organized in 1996 by the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) in collaboration with the United States Student Association, the event has become somewhat of a staple throughout schools as students vow not to speak and distribute cards that urge compliance and support for homosexual students.

Conservative groups, however, have been loud in their protest against what they have referred to as an annual endorsement of homosexuality by the nation’s schools – an event, they claim, that is both disruptive and inappropriate.

“It’s outrageous that our neighborhood schools would allow homosexual activism to intrude into the classroom. ‘Day of Silence’ is about coercing students to repudiate traditional morality. It’s time for Christian parents to draw the line — if your children will be exposed to this DOS propaganda in their school, then keep them home for the day,” said Buddy Smith, an administrator of the American Family Association, in a statement.

In response to The Day of Silence, conservative and pro-family groups have organized themselves to oppose the event, urging parents to keep their children away from school that day in a measure of counter protest.

Mission America, among the coalition of groups opposed to The Day of Silence, offers a detailed list of schools participating in the event as well as information for parents about how they can oppose the event.

“This pro-homosexual day communicates clear (and false) messages to ALL students in the school that: homosexuality is a worthy lifestyle; that it has few or no risks; that some people are "born" homosexual, including students; and that those who oppose this behavior are hateful and uninformed,” the group warns in a statement on its Web site.

“We do NOT agree. The Day of Silence is, sadly, a day of deception. The facts do not support the implications noted above. Responsible parents and communities will oppose this message of corruption and well-informed schools that really care about kids will never allow this nonsense to take place on the school campus,” Mission America added.

In response to the attacks on The Day of Silence, Eliza Byard, deputy executive director of GLSEN (Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network), largely shrugged off criticism of the event.

"This is an opportunity for concerned students to speak out on the issue of violence and aggression against students based on sexual orientation or gender expression," she asserted, according to The Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

As The Day of Silence nears, many Christians remain conflicted about how to respond.

“They (Christians) do not affirm homosexual behavior but they also loathe disrespect, harassment or violence toward any one, including their GLBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender) peers,” Dr. Warren Throckmorton, associate professor of Psychology at Grove City College, explained.

Throckmorton and Michael Frey, Western PA Director for College Ministries with Campus Crusade, have helped organize a so-called alternative approach to The Day of Silence and to the conservative Christian response of pulling out their kids from school. Continue »

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  • Karl »
    Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    As a retired public school teacher I am convinced that our only hope is to rescue our children from the public (government) schools and raise a godly generation. Please see "Call to Dunkirk" at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRGZLSVph3A.

  • Tue May 06, 2008 11:41 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    People of God,
    I think that the tone of this board will soon turn sour if we continue to try to explain the Word of God. When someone does not want to hear the truth, we should resign to pray for them that God will reveal His true will to him.
    The only comment I would like to make, would be to correct this statement

    "I cannot believe in a God that would allow a baby to be born as a sin (being born gay) and yet it happens."
    We are all born with a sin nature. We would chose not to believe so but it is true. Not because God allowed it, but b/c we allowed sin into this world. Sin exists when God is not present. God is not "present" in our lives b/c we chose to do live without Him, or not fully of Him. But yet still He sent His Son to die for us. He loves us that much. I am very close to a man who's been dealing with homosexuality his entire life, and through ferverent prayer, not preaching, the seed of prayer is starting to bud fruit in his life. I don't know what causes homosexuality in one person no more than I know what specific sin caused a life of fornication in my life before the Lord delivered me. I didn't believe that I was out of God's will for what I called "being myself". That is the trick of the enemy that we as individuals have to overcome. No one talked me out of it, but I know many people prayed for my soul. I didn't believe that sexual sin was something I could just stop doing, but with God's help I did.

  • Fri May 02, 2008 1:31 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    What music do you know of that glorifies homosexuality? When I was growing up in the 80's, there certainly wasn't any, so yes, it is absurd. I had 2 very loving parents, I was never sexually abused, I played sports, and I got along well with everyone. People act like you must fit one of these stereotypes or reasons for being gay, but that is horribly unscientific of you.

  • Thu May 01, 2008 6:29 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    BmoreTeacher

    From you post on Wed, Apr 30 at 6:51pm I gather that you are gay. You said nothing happened to you to cause you to be gay. The dynamics of one becoming gay can be very complex. I mentioned at least 5 different senarios in Part 2 of my post to you that can result in someone becoming gay. A lot of people that become gay can usually relate to any of the reasons 1-4 or a combinaion of them. If none of these things happened to you or something similar to them, then it may be because of the music you have listened to. I know that you may think that is aburd but it is not.

    If you are gay and can't say that you have experienced anything that would cause you to be that way then go to God and ask Him why you are. He will reveal the reason why to you. Let God help you get delivered from that bondage. God will help you. Continue in your sin and you will perish.

    (I flagged myself to make an addition)

  • Thu May 01, 2008 1:15 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    BmoreTeacher

    Part 1

    Re:Choosing sexual orientation

    God created everyone hetrosexual. God created the male and female with DNA specific to their sex. God gave the male (female) DNA that establishes his (her) physical attributes and innate desires.

    Some of the physical attributes for a male are wide shoulders, narrow hips, a deep voice, hair growth on his face and chest, great potential for strength, and male genitalia. When a male walks his buttocks goes up and down, his hips do not sway, and the fatty portion of the buttocks has a slight sway.

    However, the woman is physically the opposite. Some of the woman's physical characteristics are narrow shoulders and wide hips, a higher pitched voice than the male, no facial and chest hair growth, weaker physically, and has different genitalia. When a woman walks her hips have a natural sway to it in addition to the fatty portion of the buttocks swaying slightly.

    Some of the male's innate desires are to provide for and protect his family, and to be sexually attracted to the female.The male is sexually aroused by sight. His needs of a woman in his marriage relationship is sexual fulfilment, recreational companionship, an attractive wife, domestic support, and admiration.

    However, the woman's innate desires are to be provided for and protected, and to be sexually attracted to the male. The woman is sexually aroused by touch. Her needs in a marriage relationship with her husband is affection, communication, openness and honesty, financial support, and family committment.

    The male thinks differently than a woman. He makes decisions with his head and not by his heart (emotions). A male wants the bottom line of an incident. He isn't too concern about all the details on how one arrived at it.

    The woman makes decisions based on her heart (emotions) and not through her head. She is more interested in the details of how one arrives at the bottom line of an incident.

    For example, say Mother calls her daughter and talks for 60 minutes. Mom tells her daughter all about her visit to the doctor and the problems she had with the contractor who came to do some work on the house. The Mom talks about what the nurses did to her, the problems they had in running the tests, and what the doctor said about her illness. Then she talks about how long it took the guys to repair her roof, how they were taking too long on their lunch break, how they didn't want to clean up there mess, and etc.. But, they did get the roof done. After they hang up, the husband asked about how Mom was doing. The wife wants to go into the details that her mom gave but all the husband is really interested in was, "What did the doctor say was wrong with her and did the roof get fixed." He isn't too concerned with all the details.

  • Thu May 01, 2008 1:15 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    BmoreTeacher

    Part 2

    Men and women were designed differently. God gave definition to the nature of a man (woman) through his (her) DNA.

    Your DNA established what you are and all the characteristics that you will posses as I have mentioned above plus other stuff I am sure. If a male (female) posseses other traits contrary to the way God designed them, then it is for a different reason.

    There are many different reasons why a person chooses to be a homosexual. Some of the reason are 1) they were sexually abused as a child, 2) they experiemented with homosexual relations, and became a slave to it, 3) they didn't have a loving relationship with their father and found a homosexual that was willing to be that for them and it led to homo sex of which he became a slave to, 4) a daughter (son) was devalued for who she (he) was and wanted to be a male (female) to be accepted, and 5) music influences that glorify homosexuality, and etc. Satan plays a role in each case. Satan is the one who has perverted the thoughts of males (females) to make them think that they were born to be gay.

    Homosexuality is a spiritual problem. It is an abomination in the eyes of God. Jesus has compassion for the homosexual and wants to set him/her free from that sin and return to him/her the sexual identity that he/she was born with.

  • Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:51 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Unless you are gay, you cannot tell me that homosexuality is a choice. It is something that you pretend to know about, yet you have no clue. You are born that way. I cannot believe in a God that would allow a baby to be born as a sin (being born gay) and yet it happens. Nothing happened in my life that would make me choose to be gay, and why would you? What an ignorant thing to suggest. You may not want to hear the truth, you may want to hide behind your Bible, but the fact of the matter is that I am able to live my life as a Christian while merging my life with modern science, something I think Jesus would be all for. Do not be blind like sheep, open your eyes to whats around you and stop calling everything that pushes you out of your comfort zone a temptation from satan or a sin.

  • Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    How appropriate.
    Today's devotional from John MacArthur:
    “Do not be deceived: ‘Bad company corrupts good morals.’ Become sober-minded as you ought, and stop sinning; for some have no knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.”
    - 1 Corinthians 15:33-34

    "The apostle Paul knew that those in the Corinthian church were being exposed to the heretical theology. This false teaching was having a bad influence on the Corinthians’ behavior. That’s why Paul tells them in today’s verse, “Bad company corrupts good morals.” It is impossible to be around evil people and not be contaminated both by their ideas and their habits.

    This glimpse at the situation in Corinth proves that sound doctrine matters and does affect how people live. "

  • Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    BmooreTeacher:
    I understand that there are people who get beat up b/c of things that they do. It is a shame, b/c that violence is sin. But it also doesn't make the Word of God go away. I don't think anyone here believes that violence is acceptable in any situation, and that's not what the day of protest is coming across. I don't want anyone to go to Hell, but out choices send us there, not God. I'm sorry that you would feel ashamed to be a Christian. People may do shameful things while claiming the name of Jesus, but I am NOT ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, no matter what people, believers or not, do. There is a gross misconception that Christians are one class of people that hate and judge everybody else. NOT SO! *I'm an African American female from the South that had a lot of hate residue left from the way my ancestors were treated. It wasn't until I accepted Christ and HIS word was I able to embrace those that didn't love me. Loving them does not mean I condone thier sin, no more than I expected them to condone mine. Some people may be passionate about God's word, and it turns out more aggressive than we might be willing to hear, but read the Bibe for all it's worth. God is love, but He very much hates sin. By your example, I know of many people who are overweight and had been ridiculed, beaten, and one drove to suicide b/c some mean people (NOT CHRISTIANS) hated them. True Christians would not go around brutilizing people b/c of their sin. But, as a Christian I can not stand by and watch someone fall into the pit without offering them a life preserver. No matter what the sin is.

  • Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:52 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Bmore Teacher- Yes, God does love all of us that is why He sent His one and only son Jesus Christ to pay our sin debt. Make no mistake though, God hates sin. We are all born with sexual desires but God has given us provisions for those desires that is only for our good and best interest. If I feel like I want to have sex with someone other than my husband, should I just because I desire to? Should we all go around doing what ever we want because we have the urge to? No, we overcome by following the Lord and trusting that His ways are best because He wants to give us His best. Some people have more to overcome than others and yes it is difficult but the rewards are beyond comprehension.

  • Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:19 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Contrite:
    1. caused by or showing sincere remorse.
    2. filled with a sense of guilt and the desire for atonement; penitent: a contrite sinner.

    Psa 51:17 "The sacrifices of God [are] a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise."

    Isa 57:15 "For thus saith the High and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name [is] Holy; I dwell in the high and holy [place], with him also [that is] of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones."

    Jam 4:4,6b " Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
    ... Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. "

    There is no contrition where pride in sin remains.

    God resists the proud.

  • Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:12 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Sure - lets have a day promoting the dignity of shameless drunkards too!
    How about a day promoting the "pride" of habitual liars - after all, they should be able to walk with their head held high for embracing "how God made them".

  • Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:59 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 8

    The Day of Silence in no way encourages homosexuality (it can't be encouraged, it is something determined prenatally, do a bit of research please!) The Day of Silence serves to call awareness to the fact that many students are horrifically assaulted every day because of their sexual orientation. It strives to create dignity for all students. Tell me then, why are Christians so afraid of something that promotes human dignity. Would many of you rather see students being raped and beat up in school because of their sexual orientation? The Bible says gluttony is a sin, maybe we should be allowed to beat up fat kids because of their lifestyle? Is that really how you want to represent yourself and your beliefs? If so, then I am ashamed to call myself a Christian. God loves everyone, including gay and lesbian folks :)

  • Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:18 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    to Feelxxxl, Marriage is a responsibility, both for you and your spouse, i have been married for 8 years and have gone thru stuff that would and have made other marriages fail, but because God loved me and sent the holy spirit, we (my wife and I) have been able to make a wonderful relationship work.

  • Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    1man: What kind of prayer would you encourage in school? Christian prayer? Muslim prayer? Hindu or Buddist prayer? You're not a US citizen, are you?

  • Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 5

    John 14_6 said: "It is, in fact, the radical, anti-family, pro-homosexual activists that are doing all of the violence and bullying and discrimination. There are dozens of stories of Christians being attacked and bullied (and in Philiadelphia arrested) by radical homosexual activists. You will not find one story, not one, of any Christian anywhere attacking or bullying a homosexual."

    I call baloney. Cite your sources.

    Quecat: Well, then, by your account, the Bible doesn't say anything about same sex loving relationships so they must be okay by God.

  • 1man »
    Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:30 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    I think this is the classic case of do as I say not as I do......didn't we have a big uproar about prayer in schools to even removing the "moment of silence" from schools. No prayer at a ball game, no prayer at anything in school...... duh? has the forehead sloped that much, we're not allowed to encourage prayer in school but were allowed to encourage homosexuality, lesbianism, transgenderbending, and bi-sexual behaviours even though we have for all of educational history have tried to prevent "sexual" behaviour among minors......stupid, stupid, stupid.

  • Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:33 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    what ever gave you the idea that marrige was an indication of responsiblity, and not mere seeking of social acceptance. does this essence of responsiblity carry over into the 50% divorce rate. or serial marriages

    all this ressponsiblity to get married in a chirch so that their divorce rate is the same of those who would use a drive marriage facility in vegas?

  • Ken »
    Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:39 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 4

    If some people are "born" as homosexuals, then how come homosexuals cannot have offspring on their own. Everything according to God's Word, reproduces after its own kind!

  • Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    sorry previous post was posted at wrong article

  • Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ShuckCreations- Matt 5 & 6 is the Sermon on the Mount, The last two verses are

    The Authority of Jesus
    Matt 6: 28 And when Jesus finished these sayings the crowd was astonished at his teachings 29 for he was teaching them as one who had authority, and not as there scribes.

    He is speaking to all mankind...

  • Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:34 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Just as parents want their kids to be responsible enough to drive a car and enjoy the privlage, God wants his children to be responsible enough to have sex and enjoy it properly. Often times the parents child isnt responsible yet, theirs always the rich spoild kid that drives a fancey sports car. What happens in most cases is the kid drives it recklessly, (sometimes drunk and underage*wink wink*) one day this kid is out impressing his friends, his car is so fast, and flashy, then oops they took a turn too fast, the car is totaled, or maybe his lent the car to a friend who was irresponsible, and they wrecked it. sometmes the kid isnt carful and leaves the door unlocked and some one steals the car, another scenario is the kid makes his friends jelous, so when he doesnt notice, they key his car. The car was a trusted gift from his father, and out of irresponsibilty the car is ruined.
    God gave us sex as a gift to use when we are in a position when we are responsible. If two have enough trust, and responsibily through marriage they can handle having children, they dont have to worry about making the other person jelous, they dont spread desises, and a strong family can be founded and responsible parets can keep things together should life get out of control. Marriage and sex go together as Gods gift, Just as the rich loving father giv es his child that is responsible enough the nice red sports car. If the son is expected to keep the car in good condition, and not abuse it, and as long as theirs responsibility the thrill of driving is acceptable in his parents sight. Irresponsible sex brings illegitamnt children, STDs broken hearts, jelosy, and even death in some cases. People who have waited till a true worthy marriage can handle and avoid these problems and raise strong familys. That is probly why God only approves of sex in marriage.

  • Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:41 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    People these days have lost the idea of what real love is. No wonder divorce is so common, the relationship of a man and a woman in marriage is a far more deeper level of love than sex. I view sex as a gift from God to people who through marriage are alowed to express it, after all the main point of the act is to reproduce, thus bring fourth new life. this means responsibility, the people are accountable to one enother in all matters of care and love, for each other, and for raising children. I am not gay, i dont know what its like, but at the same time, I understand that God doesnt want me to have sex untill I am married, Im tempted just as bad to commit this sin as any homosexual is tempted to commit his/her sin. am i not right here? it isnt right for straits to persecute people for having these temptations, because we ourselfs are tempted to have strait sex without marriage. We are in the same danger as the homosexuals. I am strait and it really sucks, I have come to accept the fact that i might never get to have a sex life. And i know how enjoyable it is because i myself have lived a life of sin, and indulgence of premarital sex, but society has different standads than Gods, all of us need to repent and begin to live to these higher standards, Jesus has covered the past sins of my lust, but i dont think its right to go back to them anymore and I have free will to say no, no matter how lonely and hard it is. Learn to agree with God and ask for the Holy Spirit's help, and be humble and honest about it, when you fall down to it a couple times get back up, we arent perfect, but the Holy Spirt can strengthen your ability to exercize your free will. quit letting your selves be enslaved to desires. Grab the wheel, make this life YOURS. LOVE is far bigger than sex. get it out of your minds, sex is for the married men and women, DEAL with it. I liked being a drunk, I liked being sexualy active outside of marriage, I liked alot of wrong things, but as a true christian, i have to give thises things up. Suck it up and bite the bullet. quit complaining, and repent, both straits and gays. we all suffer leaving the world behind us, we have different stumbling blocks, but its not right to twist scripture around, and this is all I am saying, If you really think it's ok to be sexually immoral, be justified by your faith, but some things are written pretty black and white to me. and my flesh doesnt like changing for some of these things, but its something we all have to do. Quit judging each other so much, think of what you could be doing to help yourself and show love (compassion/mercy/friendship/prayer not sex)for others instead, there is only ONE Judge, quit making yourself excuses, Repent!
    Remeber we all fight the same war, but each has their own battles.
    May the Holy Spirit strengthen us all in repentence and faith, in Jesus' name.

  • Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:06 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    john14-6 & PreacherCop--

    Well said!

    The Day of Silence is nothing more than coercion thru peer pressure. The fact that the schools have allowed themselves to be hijacked for the purpose of social engineering, brainwashing and indoctrination in a completely immoral lifestyle is unacceptable. Homosexuals have already benefited greatly by living in a Christian nation which has been tolerant of their immoral behavior considering that sodomy laws have been on the books since just about the beginning of our nation. Homosexuals wish to claim victimization yet they are the current aggressors in the culture war doing all they can to silence Christians and anyone who disagrees with their chosen lifestyle. Just go to http://www.silencingchristians.com/ to see how they are trying to usurp our constitutionally protected rights of Freedom of Religion and Free Speech. Also, go to http://dayoftruth.org/ to see how to engage students in a discussion about the issue with truth and love.


    Being a student of history John14-6 saved me from having to illustrate the history of nations that have declined and been swept away once such decadent behavior became common place.

    As for loosely interpreted passages of scripture from Samuel with no reference to exactly which scriptures you are referring to does not support claims of homosexuality, and stating that there is nothing in the Bible condemning homosexuality is at the least disingenuous or possibly intentionally deceitful. The use of poetic language in detailing the brotherly love between two men who were as brothers and who were devout Jews, and who would have been at least cast out or worse for such behavior, is a real stretch of the imagination. The Bible has many references directly dealing with homosexuality and just how abhorrent it is to God, being a perversion of His purpose of creating male and female and us being His children with the spark of the divine in each of us. The fact that Christians stand up and try to reach the deceived, even though they know they might be mocked, ridiculed, attacked or even slandered, is proof of their love for their fellow man.

    Luckily there is an answer to the problem. God sent His only son to wash away our sins so that we can be in right relationship with Him. By accepting Jesus as the Lord of your life you can live a life of righteousness through Him and His sacrifice, but you have to accept the free gift of salvation. You can’t earn it, you can’t win it, you can’t buy it, it’s and unmerited gift He has offered to us all. Deuteronomy 30:19 tells us “I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live” so, as many are fond of saying these days, make good decisions, choose life.

  • Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:37 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    ...and you are implying a kiss is romantic where no such thing is intended or even implied in the language used.
    How about these kisses???:
    Gen 27:26 And his father Isaac said unto him, Come near now, and kiss me, my son.
    Luk 22:47-48 "And while he yet spake, behold a multitude, and he that was called Judas, one of the twelve, went before them, and drew near unto Jesus to kiss him.
    But Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss? "
    Rom 16:16 Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.
    1Cr 16:20 All the brethren greet you. Greet ye one another with an holy kiss.
    2Cr 13:12 Greet one another with an holy kiss.
    1Th 5:26 Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.
    1Pe 5:14 Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace [be] with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.

    As for being "pleasant" - just 3 verses before David laments:
    2Sa 1:23 "Saul and Jonathan [were] lovely and pleasant in their lives, and in their death they were not divided: they were swifter than eagles, they were stronger than lions."

    Are we to infer that whatever "relationship" you would portray Jonathan and David in, was also true of Saul and David?

    And "more wonderful than the love of women" also does not imply a sexual relationship. David is merely expressing that the close relationship that he had with Jonathan, his "BFF" - surpassed the closeness of relationships that he may have thus far had with women.
    (We are speaking of the same David that later had Bathsheba's husband killed so that he could have her for himself)

    I know plenty of guys who'd rather hang out with their buddies and do "guy stuff" than spend time with their wives or girlfriends. Does that mean they're really gay?
    Get real.

  • Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:47 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    Quecat: You're right, they didn't fall on the ground together. But you left out the rest of the verse (1 Sam 20:41) "and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded."

    And 2 Samuel 1:26: "I am distressed for you, my brother Jonathan; You have been very pleasant to me. Your love to me was more wonderful Than the love of women."

    Verses you never hear in Sunday School. . .

  • Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    ...and so Chicago24 has all provided us a tremendous example of how you can just about make the bible say anything you want it to say, so long as you paraphrase liberally and take things out of context enough.

    1 Sam 20:42 "Jonathan said to David, “Go in peace, for we have sworn friendship with each other in the name of the Lord, saying, ‘The Lord is witness between you and me, and between your descendants and my descendants forever.’ ” Then David left, and Jonathan went back to the town."

    oh and BTW - THEY did not "fall to the ground" together in the manner which you have implied.
    "David arose out of [a place] toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: "

  • Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:25 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    weshlovrcm--

    It is, in fact, the radical, anti-family, pro-homosexual activists that are doing all of the violence and bullying and discrimination. There are dozens of stories of Christians being attacked and bullied (and in Philiadelphia arrested) by radical homosexual activists. You will not find one story, not one, of any Christian anywhere attacking or bullying a homosexual.

    It is more important that our schools restrain themselves from promoting homosexuality as normal and acceptable. It is not. It is a violation of the most basic natural order and a violation of the most basic social relationship - the family. No civilization in the history of the world has ever tolerated (no, not even Ancient Greece or Rome) homosexuality to the point of allowing it to be recognized even as a family structure for the raising of children. Never has happened, and never will. Every society that has approached such acceptance or such a breakdown of the natural social order has ended up disappearing from history.

    Homosexuality is not just sin, it is a grave social evil. Most homosexual men, for instance, are not monogamous and practice the most licentious lifestyle imaginable. They have shortened lifespans (as studies have proven over and over) and end up with all manner and kinds of disease. They practice disgusting and repugnant behaviors that are physically damaging to their bodies, unsanitary in the extreme, and make them susceptible to all kinds of diseases. It is an abomination, and rightfully so. Homosexuality will never be recognized by the majority as being equal to heterosexuality because it is self-apparent to all reasonable human beings, or at least any with common sense, that it is *not* equal.

  • Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:56 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Please remember that God hates sin not the sinner. We as Christians are called to hate sin. That is lies, stealing, homosexuality, murder, idolatry and so on. God does not rate sin on a scale of worst to least all sin is bad. We must not condone sin or we are just as guilty as the sinner. We can condemn sin without condemning the sinner. Must Christians unfortunately condemn the sinner instead of the sin. Please remember we are ALL SINNERS and, have fallen short of the glory of God. It is by faith alone that we are saved not by good works.

  • Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:45 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 6

    Creed:
    David and Jonathan (1 and 2 Sam) professed that their love for each other was greater than of that with women, fell on the ground, kissed each other, wept together, and made a covenant with each other. That sounds like the epitome of same-sex love to me, yet there's nothing in the Bible condemning it.

  • Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:42 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    Ironic, if these students were bowing their heads during moments of silence they could be suspended for prayer at school.

  • Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:25 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    blue1018 the Gay agenda is always forcing their way upon us. They bully those who don’t agree with their views and say that we are closed minded and bigots. Just because I don’t agree with them doesn’t mean that I’m closed mined it is because I have rejected their views. That is like you saying that because I don’t support the drug dealers right to pus drug I’m denying him the right to make a living.

  • Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:18 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Feetxxxl you are mistaken there are many, Many, MANY verses that condemn “this type of love” (homosexual love) as you call it. Loving your neighbor is not to have sex with them but to have a love for them like you would with a parent or sibling. Here are six verses. Can you even provide one that will contradict these six? I asked for a verse, show me a verse. Some are in Old Testament and are in Hebrew.
    1 Corinthians 6:9
    Romans 1:27
    Leviticus 18:22
    1 Kings 14:24
    Leviticus 20:13
    Genesis 19:45-6
    As far as “…expressing ones understanding of sin is automatically okay”. You are so off base here. This is not my understanding but how my God and Lord tell me what is sin. It is in black and white. There is no gray area here. you can’t cherry-pick what you like and discard the rest as you see fit.

    Yes you are correct in one thing, we are commanded to love God with all of our heart, mind soul and strength and that God is one. The second is like the first: to love our neighbor as ourselves. But I’m not sure what your point is on what this has to do with homosexuals? This is not a green light to be gay.

    As far as the condemnation, we are all guilty and all who knows and fears the Lord God Almighty knows that they are deserving of hell because they know that they have sinned. As in my first post that I made, I am so deserving of hell but my Lord and God has let me into repentance.

  • Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:18 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 9

    How sad that supporting violence, bigotry, bullying and discrimination is now referred to as "traditional morality" by radical, anti-gay activists. Is it more important that all students have a safe learning environment or that we use our schools to promote homophobia and recruit our children into the anti-gay lifestyle? Recently, a 15-year-old gay student was shot in the head in school in Oxnard, California, because he was gay. What decent Christian can possibly justify murder under the guise of "traditional morality"?

  • Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:35 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 4

    to the flagger,

    you do yourself no favors by flagging things that are the truth, you can never silence GOD'S HOLY WORD !!!

  • Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:24 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    to those who disrespect God in any manner, you will give an account of every single word. So will we.l

  • Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:05 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    feet,

    By the way no christian has to explain to your satisfaction clear commandents of the bible, ask THE HOLY SPIRIT for wisdom and understanding and discernment in this matter, you disrespect our LORD by picking apart HIS HOLY WORD looking for justification for your anti-christ like thoughts/opinions. IN JESUS NAME

  • Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:27 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 3

    "unless you believe in theocracy,how can anyone feel secure in trying to inflict their religious values on public school. since when did dishonoring another's life experiences become a christian ethuic and when did school become a place for proscilitizing ones understanding about religous law. "

    When did public school become a place of activisim for any sexual or immoral act on earth. If you fight to keep religion out of schools why don't you fight to keep all this other stuff out of it as well?

  • Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:39 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 4

    Ok, this is getting messed up.

    For the comment “…and that those who oppose this behavior are hateful and uninformed”, how are we hateful? We hate the sin, yes we do but not the sinner. Are we missed informed, no because this is what is taught in the bible.

    And for the comment “…loathe disrespect, harassment or violence toward any one, including their GLBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender) peers” Yes we loathe and disrespect sin of any kind as we all should. For the showing of violence and harassment, by not accepting them and their sinful life style is harassment then this is good because we should not accept evil behavior. Just like liars, thieves, murders and adulteress that don’t repent will not enter in the kingdom of heaven.

    I, myself, am guilty of all the above sins and more. I, more than any, should go straight to hell because of my evil, wicked, and perverse lifestyle (oh how I hate my sinful ways). But by His grace and mercy He had pity on me and led me into repentance.

    Now I know that there are a few “gay Christians” out there that say that this is an ok lifestyle and that we are just ill informed because we are bigots. Ok, I can accept that I am wrong if you can show me a couple of verses in the bible that say it’s ok to be gay. Because I have found a dozen that say it is wrong to be gay.

    Jesus loves you and will take you as you are but He loves you too much to leave you as you are. He will change your ways if you are not stiffed neck, rebellious and have a heart of stone to His word and ways.

  • Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:04 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    Karl wrote:The homosexual agenda is sweeping the public schools and cannot be stopped.

    Yes there is an agenda. But we don't have to stop it. That's God's job. We only have to counteract it by speaking the truth in LOVE. We who know the truth must continue to stand on the word of God asking always that HIS will be done in the earth.

  • Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Karl: Yes!!!!!

  • Karl »
    Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:24 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 7

    The children need to walk out permanently.

    The homosexual agenda is sweeping the public schools and cannot be stopped.

    I am a retired teacher.

    EXODUS MANDATE-West Virginia
    http://exodusmandate-wv.org/

  • Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:05 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Yes I speak hard. But I never hear anyone ever speak against sin. Whether it's homosexuality or what. The day will come that it will be preached from more and more pulpits in America that it's ok to be 'that way.'

  • Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:04 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    the truth is is that they wouldn't recognize Jesus. Their sin blinds them.

  • Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    i wonder what they would do if Jesus appeared to them on a sidewalk while they were holding hands, etc...........

  • Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    would you agree that there are alot of them?

  • Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 7

    would anyone agree that homosexuals are taking over?

  • Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Stay home? Bah I'd rather just chat away!

  • Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:21 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    College students not talking for an entire day?? I think we need more of these days. :)

    Perhaps this can be expanded to high schools.

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