For the first time, Southern Baptists can say membership has reached a tipping point and the nation's largest Protestant denomination is now declining, says one long-time Southern Baptist.
"The decline that many of us have already believed is there is now becoming real," said Ed Stetzer, director for LifeWay Research, in an interview featured on MondayMorningInsight.com, a Web site for pastors and church leaders.
Baptisms in the Southern Baptist Convention fell for the third straight year in 2007 to the denomination's lowest level since 1987, dropping nearly 5.5 percent to 345,941, according to LifeWay Christian Resources' Annual Church Profile (ACP), which was released this week.
Total membership also declined by 0.24 percent to 16,266,920.
"This report is truly disheartening," said LifeWay president Thom S. Rainer, according to Baptist Press. "Total membership showed a slight decline. Baptisms have now declined for three consecutive years and for seven of the last eight years, and are at their lowest level since 1987. Indeed, the total baptisms are among the lowest reported since 1970. We are a denomination that, for the most part, has lost its evangelistic passion."
While technically membership has only dropped for one year, Stetzer cautioned fellow Baptists from dismissing the data.
"We don't want people to say 'it's not a big deal.' It is a big deal," he said.
"Southern Baptists have always said 'We're growing. We're growing slow.' You can't say it anymore."
Total membership dipped once before, and then grew in the following years. But this time, Stetzer believes the growth over the past five decades has plateaued.
"Many have predicted that membership (an inflated statistic anyway) would soon begin to decline, but the statement, 'Southern Baptists are a declining denomination' was not 'officially' accurate.
"Until today," he said in his blog on Wednesday.
And while the Southern Baptist Convention added 473 new churches in 2007, gave more than $1.3 billion to support mission activities around the world, and saw a 0.16 percent increase in worship attendance, Stetzer believes the denomination cannot ignore the trend moving toward decline.
"Some might want to point to the good news (attendance up slightly, more churches, etc.). However, you cannot miss the fact that a dubious historical milestone has been reached – and it needs to be noted in denominational and church offices across the country," he said.
"My hope is this will cause people to wake up and change," he commented.
Offering a few suggestions for change, Stetzer said the Southern Baptist Convention needs ethnic and generational diversity in its leadership. Also, the "infighting" has to stop. Debates over theological differences and boundaries at every denominational meeting would only accelerate the trend toward decline, he said.
Most importantly, the recovery of the Gospel in Southern Baptist life is key, he said.
"We must recover a Gospel centrality and cooperate in proclaiming that gospel locally and globally," Stetzer stressed, as he expressed hope for a Great Commission Resurgence.
"It is time for us to once again rise to a new day," he stated. "The temptation will be that the news of the day will result in a new denominational obsession to fix the problem with a new plan. It won’t work. Instead we must refocus on the Divine Obsession (Luke 15), the obsession with lost people."
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It would be good if Baptists would go back to being local, autonomous New Testament Churches instead of trying to be denominational. That is the only way, I see, we can get true Holy Spirit power back in our churches. I have been liberated from this foolishness and could not be more excited about pastoring one of the Lord's churches in, what could be, the last days!
P.S, stop worrying about numbers, just let Christ give the increase!!!
I pray this report card, added to the recent confession by the Willow Creek Association, will make it clear to all, the real thrust of the New Testament Church is not about nickels, noses and noise - not about numerical results or integrated relationships, growth goals, vision statements, pradigms, target marketing or appropriate age-graded theology, but about proclaiming Jesus Christ in the power of the Holy Spirit, and leaving the results in His hands. Some 30 years ago, we won the battle over the inerrancy of Holy Scripture, and a liberal-listing ship was arighted on its course. Now, we must fight the battle for the sufficiency of Scripture - put the "church growth" and "church marketing" books aside and return to the gospel - for "it" is the power of God unto salvation! As hard as it may be to endure, my prayer is - "Let the cleansing begin!" A pure church will once again produce pure fruit - lasting fruit - multiplying fruit. A mixed church can only produce mixed fruit, which is why the unbelieving world has no respect for us.
Most of the main denominations vary little when it comes to core orthodox doctrinal issues. What is causing most of the division is in practices. There is a realignment going on where the core issues are not so much doctrinal positions, as was the case in the Reformation, but in issues such as sexuality and cultural relativism.
We were given four Gospels and they each have distinctive view points and add to understanding or Christ. They do not detract or contradict each other. Paul does not oppose denominations. He opposes factions, which denominations can degenerate in to. But then, factions can develop even within denominations; as the SBC has discovered.
GreatNW,
The reason I say that denominations are inherently evil, is that the Bible specifically condemns them. I do not believe they are presenting a big picture, I believe they are either fracturing the Big Picture, or else they are saying contradictory things, and some of them are right about some points but wrong on others.
God is one, His Truth is one, the Church ought to be one.
In my lifetime, I have attended Baptist, Methodist, Luthern, Catholic, and non-denominational churches. After turning my back on God and the Chruch for the past five years, I recently re-devoted my life to serving Christ and was most certianly lead by the Holy Spirit to join the Baptist Church my family has attended for years. I have been blessed and strengthened spiritually by the worship services. Its all about Jesus!
Hope Page: itsallaboutjesusnotme.blogspot.com
Having been a SB for quite a while, I noted a few years ago, that the SB became a Service Organization. With all the Mission Outreach, building Habitat, hurricane restoration, disaster relief, which I particpated in, forgotten was the Gospel Messge. Katrina exhibited it most dramatically. SB cooked meals, provided support for people, but its delivery method was the RED CROSS. The actual people contact was by the Red Cross people delivering meals to them. I believe the SB has gotten so involved in restoration, and rebuilding, that they have forgotten the real goal is to share the Gospel, with the restoration and rebuilding is to be a secondary function. I can't recall hardly anyone on a building team actually sharing the Gospel with the local people, even on my trip to South Africa to rebuild a church. SB Focus has gotten off track.
am not sure denominations are inherently evil. Taken as a whole they provide us with the big picture of scripture. They each emphasize a different aspect of the bible. Baptists came in to existence as a useful correction to an instutional, passive faith.
The bible does tell us that one of the tests of the true church depends on our following the bible. 1john 1:5-10 states that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness. The Light is the Truth and the bible is the written Word left for the church to be able to Know truth from error. First Cirinthians 2-16 tells us that we have the mind of Christ through His Spirit living in us, allowing the church the ability to Know and understand His word. Because we are human we will fall short of knowing perfectly but we do have the ability to discern truth from lies. True christian denominations (not the occults "witnesses"etc...) all have to agree on the foundation, that Jesus is the Son of God incarnated as man through the virgin birth crucified for our sins and ressurected on the third day by God the Father. As for the endless arguments over other doctirnal differences Jesus taught us through the apostle Paul in the letter to the Romans chapter 14 that what is good to you may not be good to your brother and if is your brother who is the weaker then it your responsbility not to put a stumbling block before him, but you have to be convinced in your own mind what is acceptable.
argyle,
An interesting perspective, and I do not necessarily disagree with you, however there are some difficulties.
First, Paul clearly told Christians to be united, and not to engage in factions and denominations. Certainly Paul was not saying to engage in spiritual factions, he meant actual physical ones. The actual physical Church Body is supposed to be one. Thus, denominations are inherently sinful at best.
Secondly, the Bible never says that the test of the Church is whether it follows the Bible. There are numerous problems, as many people believe the Bible, and some come up with varying and sometimes mutually exclusive claims about Christianity. For instance Lutherans, Presbyterians, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Seventh Day Adventists all use the Bible and reason. They can all back up there arguments strongly with the Bible (perhaps JW's are a bit weaker, but they can do it, as all must know). How do you solve such a problem?
And I agree on that as well. THis is more or less what i belive about denominatins. My last post may have gotten confused.
THE CHURCH
The Church is the invisible, or spiritual, body of true and faithful believers of all time. Even now in heaven God sees His Church as One unified Body - as He Himself is not confused by denominational differences. The Church is not a denomination, or even a group of denominations, but comprises of those people who have personally appropriated Jesus Christ, thereafter standing in the grace of God. This Body of Christ is made visible, mainly (though not entirely), through local congregations where the Word of God is preached and converts are added; however, 'churchgoing' is not the same thing as being part of the eternal Church of all the ages whose member's names appear in the Book of Life. The visible congregations of the Church uphold the Two Signs (or, sacraments). The duty of the Church is to feed and support the flock and to take the Gospel to the world. True fellowship can only exist between various congregations where all are faithful to the Gospel.
argyle,
Here is the problem, you say some might view this part of worship as more important, while another views another as more so. And you give the example of Baptism and Holy Communion. Well, in reality one is more important, or they are equally important, but it is not a pick your choice question like picking flavors of ice cream. We can have different styles of worship while being all united under one physical church, but on doctrine we must all be united.
Here is an awesome sermon concerning the decline of the southern Baptists!!!
Closing the Generational Gap
http://www.treasuringchrist.net/audio/baucham/gap.mp3
www.polemos.net
Denominationalism is not about politics. While it is true that most denominations have a political system for maintaining order within, the fact that there are many "Christian" denominations has nothing to do with church politics! A "denomination" is an ordered religious faction that centers its doctrines around one name, hence the word deNOMination (from the Latin - nomine, meaning NAME). The various "Christian" denominationce, therefore, are based on the name of Jesus or Christ. That makes them a legitimate "christian" denomination, but it remains to be seen as to whether or not the adherents are truly Christians. Christians believe that Jesus is the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace who will reign forever over everything. Christians believe that Jesus is the Messiah of God whose death on the cross was the atonement for the sins of all mankind, not just an "elect" few. Christians believe that Jesus is coming again to receive them unto Himself, and because of that fact they are to witness to the love of God for all people until His return. Christians love all people as their Lord Jesus did, even to the point of dying trying to share the Good News of God's love for all people. Christians know that the world hated Jesus and His message, and will also hate them for carrying on the Master's global mission of evangelism until He returns. Denominations that place ANYTHING above the call of Jesus to evangelize and disciple the world may call themselves "Christian" but they are self deceived and are deceiving others by doing so. Jesus said that just before He returns there would be many "christs" in the world. Today there are many denominations with their own version of "christ." Jesus said that the way to Him was narrow and that there would be few who would FIND it. To say that all of the denominations that call themselves "Christian," but do not adhere to the commands of Jesus are equal to the true church of Jesus is to call all automobiles Fords! (Actually I drive a Honda!)
I dont see denominations as evil, i see the idea of a denomination beliving itself to be the best, or only correct denomination as evil. I personally approve of the United Methodist Denomination, The way the majority of their services are set up feels comfortable to me. Denominations help people worship with other people who generally agree with each other on what topics mean more to them. Just as some people see taking care of the environment as more important than public health care, some people might see baptizim as a more meaningful tradition than comunuion. I don't belong to a denomination, but i preferto worship at some churches over others. Denominations are like political parties, they are all "Americans" and all "belive" in freedom, but have different views on particular matters. some people eat meat, some eat greens. I'll conclude with an old Sunday school song quote.
"red or yellow black and white, they are precious in his sight, Jesus loves the little children of the world."
Faith is not a fashion.
Chicago,
Sadly yes I got your joke, and I am not even a Southern Baptist hahaha!
That said, what does it matter if the SBC is declining, I have heard that evangelicals are one of the fastests growing religious groups in the US and across the world. We need to rise above denominations, even if I were to attend a SB Church, I dare not call my self Southern Baptist, I am a Christian. There should only be two camps, Christians and non-Christians.
I have said it before and I will say it again, I believe that denominations are nothing short of evil. (Though they may have done many good things and witnessed to Christ, despite their denominational name, certainly not because of it).
The Southern Baptist churches I've attended have ranged from spiritually alive to dead and from sticking to sound doctrine to hung-up on doctrine. The decline is due in part to growth in more contempory services. Its all about Jesus.
Hope Page: itsallaboutjesusnotme.blogspot.com
A Southern Baptist Hymn:
"My hope is built on nothing less
Than Scofield notes and Moody Press"
Q: Do you know why Southern Baptists are against pre-marital sex?
A: Because it could lead to drinking!
Those of you who were raised Southern Baptist will "get" that little joke.
(I was a preacher's kid)
The SBC needs to repent of its purpose-driven proclivities and emergent leanings and return to proclaiming the Biblical gospel. The Lord will grow His church.
It seems to me the problem is exctly as was stated in the article: "the Southern Baptist Convention needs ethnic and generational diversity in its leadership. Also, the "infighting" has to stop." and the SBC "must recover a Gospel centrality and cooperate in proclaiming that gospel locally and globally,"
Its both about orthodoxy and orthopraxy. All chrsitians everywhere need to hold to the centrality of the Word and reach out to others and teach the need for Christ and what God did for all mankind through sending his son to suffer and die for our sins, and teach the need to live the love of Christ - a life dedicated to God.
When that happens, people of the world become offended and feel judged. They leave the church. They undermine the church. They attack the church. But in time, either they or others come to Christ and thus the church because God is at work in it and because the Gospel is being preached and lived.
The nonsense about whether people are elect or not is a side issue. I've known many calvinists who were more evangelical and lived more righteous lives than many who believe others are only saved through their efforts and that one can loose one's salvation.
People who believe that calvinists are not saved do not understand salvation. By the same tooken, people who believe arminians are not saved also do not understand salvation.
The only way to God is through Faith in Christ's substitutionary sacrifice on the cross. We need rto repent of following our own desires, turn to God and trust in what Christ did for us. We need to believe it, live like it and preach it. As Paul said in Acts 26:20, "First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds."
"My hope is this will cause people to wake up and change" ......
Hmmmm....Looks like they did.
melancthon: Thanks for the reply. A point of clarification, your beliefs - as evidenced by your initial comment to DREJ's post - are not at issue. My comment about hypocrisy has everything to do with actions - namely complaints to the moderator. Your complaint about being called a heretic or worshipping Satan is humorous based on what I have read from some who are discussing Catholicism. I have yet to see a comment to a moderator regarding some of the ridiculous stuff that was said about Catholics. Comparatively speaking, DRJ's comments are tame. I am only using you as a vehicle to ask anyone/everyone that complains to the moderator or "flags" a post about what is written about their own belief system and/or denomination - Where was all the concern for civility when others who don't share your exact theology were being assailed?
Have a great weekend.
PAX
Instead of bickering over endless debates (in which both sides are in error) or whose denomination is the better one we should take on the attitude of Christ (philippians chapter 2) humble ourselves, get on our knees and pray that God strengthen all of His church so that we may have the privelege participating in His glorification. I dont ever see myself belonging to the SBC or a Charismatic congregation but I pray for all of His Children.
For some great commentary on the current state of the SBC, check out
www.sbcoutpost.com
You won't be dissappointed. seriously.
Perhaps the resurgance of calvinism is creating a spiritual laziness in the body of Christ just as it did in the 1800's by inspiring decreased passion to pray and evangelism, leaving the promises of God in the past and not the present, and by creating a complicated heady gospel message that mainly those within higher education & advanced theology can be partakers in. Isn't it ironic that every time Calvinism grows in the church the cult groups and apostasy grows. The gospel message was always simple and powerful. Paul wrote "that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God. 1 Cor 2:5
The Gospel of the Kingdom === >>
http://evolutionfacts.blogspot.com/#the_message_that_we_were_born_to_hear
Believer is right; pointing the finger at Calvinists such as Al Mohler or non-charismatics is cheap and, ultimately, wrong. The responsibility lies with us to preach the Gospel in all its clarity and power. Maybe we have lost faith in the power of the Gospel.
DRJ answers the question of if the SBC will be able to stop all the infighting. Hah! Can Baptists agree on anything? They would rather fight with each other than evangelize. Of all the things on the "to do" list in this article - developing a new spirit of cooperation is surely the hardest
As a Southern Baptist I wholeheartedly agree with this article but I'm having a hard time with the many misinformed responses. I am a 4 and a half point Calvinist, I do not believe that God has purposely created people to send to hell and my sense is that a large majority of Southern Baptists would agree with me. But unfortunately most Christians accross all denominational lines live their Christian life as if they did. The issue is not which denomination is the largest and growing bigger churches the issue is that God's people and His church in America are not effectively impacting the lostness of our nation and world. The problem is not worship styles, Calvinism, being Charismatic or not being Charismatic, which Bible translation you use, these may not even be symptoms of the problems, the issue is that many in the SBC along with many in other evangelical denominations appear to have lost both our burden for the lost and our zeal to join God in not only winning the lost but joining Him in fulfilling His Great Commission. Secondly, we have allowed the Cheap Grace Gospel to birth many false professions of faith, I have personally met many so-called believers who have bought a fire insurance policy that they believe will not only keep them out of hell but allow them the right to live their lives any way they like. The only problem is when they arrive before God and pull out that policy in bold letters will be stamped, "NULL AND VOID, I NEVER KNEW YOU!" and needless to say for those who have become a part of our churches based on this cheap grace mentality why in the world would we expect them to have a burden for the lost when they are still lost themselves. As for the SBC leaders at all levels but most importantly local churches are taking ownership of this issue and seeking God's face and His wisdom as to what can be done not to grow our denomination but to turn back to Him in any areas we have fallen short and join Him in fulfilling His Great Commission and that is one of the key reasons I remain a Director of Missions in the SBC.
Tamna, Disagreement does not equal hatred, but the way in which we disagree with each other may. Calling a Christian brother a heretic and then accusing him of worshipping Satan seems a bit over the line, don't you think? And now maybe we can add calling a brother a hypocrite when you have no clue about my beliefs. Can't we Christians learn to disagree with each other without being disagreeable? I guess it's called "charity."
melancthon: I may be wrong, but can you please point me to a post where you complained to the moderator about the things that have been written about other denominations such as Catholics and/or the Catholic Church on these forums. If you can't, I recommend you look up the word "hypocrisy" in the dictionary.
I don't have an opinion about DRJ's post(s) either way, but I do think DRJ's opinions are as valid as anyone elses that post on these forums.
It's hard to take someone seriously that only complains that comments are "hateful" when their particular beliefs are attacked. Disagreement does not equal hatred.
PAX
All over the world, traditional churches are getting low in new membership, also in some cases
numbers are declining. On the other hand, Pentecostal and charismatic churches are
growing faster around the world. This shows, people are still looking for a lively worship
and totally disappointed by the old traditional worship in which there is less filling to the
soul. This trend is seen everywhere in the world. Southern Baptists were agressively
against the holy spirit and any charismatic movement for a very long time. This is a time for
them to find, where they made the mistake fighting with a Biblical truth; a time for a total
surrender.
So. Bapts may have 16m members, but only about 6-7m show up for church on a regular basis. That's not a healthy church, hasn't been healthy for a couple of generations. But more telling is that in places like Atlanta & Dallas, bastions of the SBC, the abortion rate is as bad as NYC's.
Incidentally, DRJ, I gave you a thumbs-down - but don't worry, it was pre-ordained!
You know, as a Reformed believer, I wonder why the Moderator of this forum allowed "DRJ" to publish such hateful comments. I am deeply offended to be called a "heretic" and to be told John Calvin worshipped "Satan." I am constantly amazed that those who say that God loves everyone unconditionally say that they have no love for their Calvinist brethren--and that they worship Someone Else. For shame. And DRJ--when you repent for your remarks, trying reading some history of Calvinist evangelists such as Johnathan Edwards or George Whitfield.
With the resurgence of Calvinism (Reformed Theology) in the SBC it is easy to see why there might be a decline in evangelism. Calvinists aren't evangelistic. They believe that whoever is going to be saved WILL be saved, and not by anything that they can do! The problem with the SBC or any other denomination is "sin in the camp!" More people for the sake of numbers is a formula that works in the world...but NOT in the church of Jesus Christ. Just ask Gideon! It's time to clear the threshing floor of those who believe in relativism rather than evangelism. The church is ONLY relative to God's plan when it is evangelizing and discipling the world. Remove the Calvinistic presence and you will see a resurgence of the flame of evangelism. Remove the Calvinist presidents and professors from SBC Seminaries and you'll see young men and women graduates going into the world with a heart filled with compassion for the lost! Purge the once-greaqt churches of Calvinist pastors and you'll see them return to their former evangelistic greatness! A little leaven leavens the whole lump.
Southern Baptists must learn how to partner with other families of churches (for example, PCA and Sovereign Grace Ministries). And, emphasize how to DO all that Jesus taught. Not an emphasis on orthodoxy, but rather orthopraxy.
I have been a SBC pastor 28 years, and the worldliness and lack of commitment in the church is astounding. The liberalism of Rick Warren has been working on us since the 80's, and it means less people not more. The lack of commitment among modern day members is astonding. We need old fashioned, prayer, preaching, church discipline.
As simple and sound docterins of the Bible have become less and less tolerated by society, its not surprising to see a decline in this particular denomination. It can also be attributed to growth in more contempory services that appeal more to a wider audiance. Its all about Jesus.
Hope Page: itsallaboutjesusnotme.blogspot.com