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Gay Penguin Tale Tops List of 'Challenged' Books

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Hillel Italie
Associated Press Writer
Tue, May. 06 2008 05:46 PM ET
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NEW YORK - A children's story about a family of penguins with two fathers once again tops the list of library books the public objects to the most.

"And Tango Makes Three," released in 2005 and co-written by Justin Richardson and Peter Parnell, was the most "challenged" book in public schools and libraries for the second straight year, according to the American Library Association.

"The complaints are that young children will believe that homosexuality is a lifestyle that is acceptable. The people complaining, of course, don't agree with that," Judith Krug, director of the ALA's Office for Intellectual Freedom, told The Associated Press on Tuesday.

The ALA defines a "challenge" as a "formal, written complaint filed with a library or school requesting that materials be removed because of content or appropriateness."

Other books on the ALA's top 10 list include Maya Angelou's memoir "I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings," in which the author writes of being raped as a young girl; Mark Twain's "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn," long attacked for alleged racism; and Philip Pullman's "The Golden Compass," an anti-religious work in which a former nun says: "The Christian religion is a very powerful and convincing mistake."

Pullman's novel, released in 1996, received new attention last year because of the film version starring Nicole Kidman.

Overall, the number of reported library challenges dropped from 546 in 2006 to 420 last year, well below the mid-1990s, when complaints topped 750. For every challenge listed, about four to five go unreported, the library association estimates.

"The atmosphere is a little better than it used to be," Krug says. "I think some of the pressure has been taken off of books by the Internet, because so much is happening on the Internet."

According to the ALA, at least 65 challenges last year led to a book being pulled.

In Louisville, Ky., a high school principal told 150 English students to drop "Beloved," Toni Morrison's Pulitzer Prize-winning novel about an ex-slave who has murdered her baby daughter. At least two parents had complained that "Beloved" includes depictions of violence, racism and sex.

In Burlingame, Calif., Mark Mathabane's "Kaffir Boy," a memoir about growing up poor and black in apartheid-era South Africa, was banned from an intermediate school after a parent complained about a two-paragraph scene in which men pay boys for sex.

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jar1961
  • Sun May 11, 2008 10:04 pm
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NARTH reported on March 8, 2007:

Francis S. Collins, one of the world's leading scientists who works at the cutting edge of DNA research, concluded that "there is an inescapable component of heritability to many human behavioral traits." However, he adds, "for virtually none of them, is heredity ever close to predictive."

In reviewing the heritability (i.e., influence of genetic factors) on personality traits, Dr. Collins referenced the research of Bochard and McGue for the estimated percentage of these traits that can be ascribed to heredity.

The heritability estimates for personality traits were varied: General Cognitive Ability (50%), Extroversion (54%), Agreeableness (42%), Conscientiousness (49%), Neuroticism (48%), Openness (57%), Aggression (38%) and Traditionalism (54%).

with identical twins, that heritability is not to be confused as inevitability.
As Dr. Collins would agree, environment can influence gene expression, and free will determines the response to whatever predispositions might be present.
jar1961
  • Sun May 11, 2008 10:00 pm
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There are numerous theories about the origins of a person's sexual orientation;
* Theories are not facts


most scientists today agree that sexual orientation is most likely the result of
* Science doesnt rely on consensus.. Consensus is the opposite of scientific fact

a complex interaction of environmental, cognitive
* Environmental and Cognitive are the 2 primary suspected causes.
*Cognitive means the ability to be aware and choose

and biological factors. In most people, sexual orientation is shaped at an early age. There is also considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person's sexuality.
* Disavowed by the Genome 2007 Study
* Homosexuality is not hardwired," concludes head of the Human Genome Project...


In summary, it is important to recognize that there are probably many reasons for a person's sexual orientation
* They don't know

and the reasons may be different for different people.
* They really dont know

Finally in all this, the report from the APA makes the statement that given everything they dont know, but suspect its both environmental and cogntivie that orientation is not a choice...

It is a ludicrous and arrogant statment given what they think the causes of.

FInally..I have said exactly what the APA said.. it is determined primarily by environment and choice.
Chris333
  • Sun May 11, 2008 9:45 pm
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ifeelfine,

You are willfully ignoring my posts.

"You are actually changing doctrine so as to believe the Bible is inerrent."

Where and how? You clearly have disregarded my entire argument.

"Thus, you don't take the Bible literally."

Well considering I do not do that, I suppose your "if then" statement is wrong. I have never said that the versuses discussing slavery are wrong, innaccurate, or for any other reason should not be there. Again, this is being willfully ignorant (no offense).

"I do that as well, Bmore does that too and he did that. He believes that those scriptures (as do I) are interpretted incorrectly by many Christians."

This is not what Bmore said, Bmore said that some passages in the Bible are innaccurate. You seem to be only hearing what you want to hear.

"I've stated many times how that is so and how the Bible is inerrent (but not literal)."

I have never heard you say the Bible is inerrant, but I will take your word for it. In any case, if the Bible is inerrant, but only with the right interpretation, which just so happens to contradict a great deal of what the Bible says, then the Bible is not inerrant, rather some "interpretation" is. Are you infallible? If not, then you are going to have to provide biblical support for why the Bible does not mean what it says. Regarding 1) Slavery and 2) Homosexuality. (The two are not in the same category either)

"Prove it isn't so."

Go back and read my posts. And you prove it is.
Chris333
  • Sun May 11, 2008 9:35 pm
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Bmore,

You said, "Catholicism claims they have the ultimate Truth about the passage "Unless you eat my body and drink my blood, you shall not have life within you." For Catholics, there is no other question or interpretation, despite the fact you may claim there is."

But you are not mentioning that the RCC claims itself as the sole "definer" of what the absolute truth is, in regard to spiritual manners. They are not going on a Sola Scripture argument, they are going on a, "My interpretation only" argument. If you claim divine infallibility for yourself, then you can start comparing yourself to the RCC.

"I think that is the same viewpoint as what I have."

So you are claiming infallibility?

"There most certainly are interpretations, for each and every Bible verse you claim condemns homosexuality, that refute what you are saying."

Please provide versus.

"You claim this is wrong with as much fury as a Catholic would about the Eucharist. Who is to say you have the Truth and I don't, or that I have the Truth and you don't?"

The law of contradiction. Either you have the truth and I don't, or I do and you don't. It is literally impossible that we both do. Also, the RCC claims they have the fullness of truth and Protestants don't.

"Fact of the matter is, if you believe something in the Bible that strongly, that is great for you, but there will always be people who feel you are wrong."

Can you please provide the argument for why you feel I am wrong? "Bmore says so" is not an argument, unfortunately. (Unless you are going to claim that infallibility)

"I am not calling you a sinner for not believing in the Eucharist in the same way I do. If you are wrong, it is not for me to judge you."

Strange, because the RCC does claim it is a sin not to take part in the Eucharist, within the Catholic Church. I think you are just picking and choosing what you believe on a personal basis.

"Truth is something that no one will have in its entirety until we are standing before Jesus."

I would doubt that we would have truth in its entirety even then, if we did we would have to be God. Nonetheless, even if the answer is not clear (but it is) that still doesn't mean we should throw up our hands and say, "All is lost, just believe what you want to believe and do what you want to do!" To do so is "spiritually suicidal" at best.
jar1961
  • Sun May 11, 2008 9:02 pm
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BALMORE POST:

The reason young men and women are promiscuous is because they have a shattered image. Girls have objectified and in todays MYV culture and men like Bill CLinton who made oral sex something of an acceptable practice is why the STD rate is up.

God doesnt make junk and young people are no longer connected to their truly divine image. As for your other statments.. you blame everyone else in society for your behavior.. notice I didnt say orientation.. I said your acting out what as a Christian you should be putting off.

Okay Passages in John:

Passage John 14:26:
26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

assage John 16:13:
13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

Balmore how old are you? Neither of these passages have anything to do with homosexual behavior... I feel pity for you..

Let me say something... Given what you shared and all things being equal, if you came from a traditional family environment and can not find any environmental reason for your orientation then I can understand your frustration and anger..... but I will say this... and I do so with compassion..... there are "deviancies" in every species... but I would also challange you with this...

What Satan intends for evil God can use for good.. so hypothetically.. let's say Satan had a role in your orientation.... what if that is true because God has an even greater and higher purpose for your life but that by keeping you distracted through your orientation he renders you unable to be effectively used by God to your full potential?

Here is my challange for you... allow yourself to be sanctified for 60 days. In those 2 months allow God to direct you towards an effective ministry while remaining pure in thought and deed... see what happens
ifeelfine72
  • Sun May 11, 2008 6:48 pm
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Chris333 said: "I have constantly explained my stance on slavery, without denying a single word in the Bible. Bmore both denied what was written in the Bible, claiming it is innaccurate, and then tried to make an argument based on the Bible. Thus undermining his argument."

You are actually changing doctrine so as to believe the Bible is inerrent. Thus, you don't take the Bible literally. I do that as well, Bmore does that too and he did that. He believes that those scriptures (as do I) are interpretted incorrectly by many Christians. I've stated many times how that is so and how the Bible is inerrent (but not literal). Prove it isn't so.
star2
  • Sun May 11, 2008 3:51 pm
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BmoreTeacher

Do you really care about what God's view is about homosexuality, the Eucharist, and other issues? Or do you only care about what man says God's Word teaches?

Jesus said that if your will is to do the will of God, then you will know whether the doctrine that is taught is of man or of God. (John 7:17).

Do you really want to know what God's position is on homosexuality, the Eucharist, abortion, and etc? If you do, then go to God and allow Him to teach you truth (John 14:26) and to guide you into it (John 16:13).
BmoreTeacher
  • Sun May 11, 2008 2:28 pm
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http://www.apa.org/topics/orientation.html

This is where I get many of my views from Jar. Being a teacher, I don't have the time to go into each and every study, but you seem to have plenty of free time, so why don't you look into that. I find it particularly interesting what they say about homosexuality not being a choice and the lack of evidence for conversion therapy.

Someone responded to my question about the Eucharist, but I'm still not sure it was answered completely. Catholicism claims they have the ultimate Truth about the passage "Unless you eat my body and drink my blood, you shall not have life within you." For Catholics, there is no other question or interpretation, despite the fact you may claim there is. I think that is the same viewpoint as what I have. There most certainly are interpretations, for each and every Bible verse you claim condemns homosexuality, that refute what you are saying. You claim this is wrong with as much fury as a Catholic would about the Eucharist. Who is to say you have the Truth and I don't, or that I have the Truth and you don't? Fact of the matter is, if you believe something in the Bible that strongly, that is great for you, but there will always be people who feel you are wrong. I am not calling you a sinner for not believing in the Eucharist in the same way I do. If you are wrong, it is not for me to judge you. Many people on here, in particular Jar, have been bashing gays up and down, and I take that very personally. It is not your place to condemn me, and while I am not saying everyone on here has been (Chris, I appreciate your willingness to dialogue) I feel like Jar just doesn't want to here it. If you don't, thats fine, but you do not have the right to attack my views and tell me I am flat out wrong, because Truth is something that no one will have in its entirety until we are standing before Jesus.
BmoreTeacher
  • Sun May 11, 2008 2:16 pm
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Jar, you do not post those for good, you post those for a very specific attack on me, which is in no way Christian. OK, so lets say (for the sake of you not whining) that what you have found is true. Because some gay couples have domestic violence or HIV, my relationship needs to be defined by them? Just being gay does not make you more likely to be a batterer. I think you take that information and don't think about why it is so. People who are violent have had past issues in their lives, such as being abused or witnessing it themselves. It as about power. I have grown up in a very healthy, normal household with my older brother, younger brother, younger sister, and both my parents. My mom was a stay at home mom, my dad enjoyed a good job close to home which allowed him to come to all my baseball games and swim meets, as well as practice with me on the weekends. By all accounts, I am a very normal person who happens to be gay, which is quite inexplicable. I do not see why Jar is so intent on making the entire homosexual community look bad just because of statistics without thinking why they are so. Gays are marginalized, and often face hatred and abuse by people outside of the community. I would suspect the rates of abuse are so high because that is their way of reclaiming power. Jar, did you see the articles that say 1 in 4 teenage girls now have an STD? That has nothing to do with the gay community. Yes, gays tend to be more promiscuous, but they learn that from watching mainstream society stereotype them. Luckily, my parents told me that just because I was gay didn't mean I should become promiscuous or play into the stereotype, and that support has kept me safe and clean, and now I am in a committed relationship.
jar1961
  • Sun May 11, 2008 8:10 am
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CHRIS... I wish you God Speed. Baltimore is a professed homosexual public school teacher who is adopting a child. I agree with what you say again. I think a good starting point is point to John 1.. that Gods Word is infallible and inerrant. This is the crux of the entire discussion. If Christians dont agree on John 1 then false theologies and beliefs are always the result.. because it gives man the ability to pick truths from a menu.

Anyway.... BALMORE never gives specific citations.. he just throws out propaganda and never backs it up... so in order to have a civil discussion requires addressing all false hoods spiritual or secular..because the secular is a reflection of Gods word.. it documents clearly the consequences for sin..... so it glorifies His Truth.. that's why I use the CDC and DOJ reports
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