Christian Ministry Criticized for Planned Parenthood Partnership

oldstudent »

Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Jesus4me,

Although we probably agree more than disagree, we are called to be little christs and only use the apostles as guides, they are not the template to follow my friend. Ephesians tells us to imitate God, not the apostles. The same man told people to follow him as he followed Christ but we are to be used as examples, not the template.

As for the apostles always preaching Christ before meeting a personal need; Acts 3 shows Peter and John healing a man without preaching Christ. They claimed His name as the power behind the healing but there is no preaching nor explanation recorded past, "In the name of Jesus of Nazareth, rise up and walk." They didn't invoke Him as God nor as Messiah, just in His name.

Act 16 shows Paul casting out a demon because he was annoyed, not because the slave responded to his preaching. The good deed was done not fro preaching nor for teaching but because she annoyed Paul declaring Paul and Silas as "servants of the Most High God." This doesn't fit the mold of preaching and then freeing a person from whatever physical issue that entraps them be it demons, infirmities or hunger.

As for the "social gospel" or the "whatever gospel." There is no other gospel but the one preached and died for by the apostles and we are not to consider this claptrap enough to call it gospel; it isn't gospel. we are told to reject those who preach and teach other gospels, even if it was the apostle Paul himself or angels doing the preaching.

GFA and Yohannon are known well in our house as is Banjara Tribal Ministries among others my friend. And the Jesus Wells are a great example of putting our money, efforts, love and lives where our mouths are.

Grace and Peace,
Jim



Jim

believer »

Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:28 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

Perhaps the question we need to ask is what makes an organization Christian is it because Christians are either in charge or heavily involved or because it does things that are seen good Christian principles or based on the teachings of Jesus. To me the answer is maybe at best to all the above. What makes an organiztion Christian and keeps it a Christian organization is the primary goal and/or vision of the organization. Regardless of what a Christian organization does as long as what their doing does not violate the Word of God they must never lose sight that their primary goal must always be to point people to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, if we study the history of the "Social Gospel Movement" we'll see that for a majority of those who were involved that intially was their goal, but unfortunately what happened is the means became the end as a opposed to the means to an end with the end being affording people the opportunity to come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. Christ did not do miracles simply for the sake of doing miracles or to only meet the physical needs of people He did them to reveal to them who He was, to earn the right to be heard, but most importantly to bring them into a saving relationship with His Heavenly Father. Should we in ministry not use the same standard as we do social ministry, yes do our best to meet the physical needs of people, but always for the purpose of giving them the opportunity to enter into a personal relationship with God through Christ.

jesus4me »

Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:02 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

continued to oldstudent:

. Having said that, yes, i believe that Jesus did miracles without necessarily preaching before doing it, but we see a common theme amongst the Apostles who subsequently were His disciples (with Saul (Paul) being chosen by the Risen Lord himself on the Road to Damascus) - They all preached Jesus Christ as the Risen Lord as they prayed for people, and did miracles in His Name, because ".....these signs will follow them that believe". Notice, the "signs" or "good works" did not happen before the preaching, but rather after. So, when taking something like this into consideration, one must look at the Whole Counsel of God. And like I said before, I believe that if a Christian organization is to fulfill the Great Commission wherever God has placed that ministry, then the life changing Message of the Gospel of Christ MUST be preached, because it is in Him, and thru Him, that true freedom from the bondage of sin and desparity are found. If you or anyone on this sight would like to research a ministry that preaches the Gospel of Christ hand in hand with meeting peoples needs, please google an organization called Gospel for Asia. Sometimes they will use "Jesus Wells" drilled in the communities they are seeking to evangelize as tools to open the doors for the Gospel of Christ. This is way diferent than just filling people's physical needs or alleviating their "social" or "cultural" ills simply for the sake of doing the work with no intention whatsoever of preaching the Christ of the Bible to them, and them discipling them in the process in the Word of God, so then those "baby Christians" can then become full grown Christians and do the same thing in their communities and further impact the Body of Christ for His Glory. oldstudent, i don't say this in a spirit of animousity, but rather one of exhortation. We are definitely living in perilous times, and a false gospel is being preached all around us. This is why we need to be like the Bereans who searched the Scriptures daily to see if what the Apostle Paul was teaching them was true. We need to be this way to see if what is being taught to us is in line with the Whole Counsel of God; not just little bits and pieces here and there, and then following a false doctrine.

grace and peace to you brother.

jesus4me »

Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:55 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 0

oldstudent wrote:

"......BTW;
There is no "social gospel" nor is the social aspect of Christ confined to after the word is preached. Jesus healed many to demonstrate the kingdom had come but didn't always preach or give Himself before the healings or miracles. We are called Christians which is "little Christs." We are called to imitate (not duplicate) our King. The gospel is declaring Jesus as King (that IS the Good News for mankind) and nothing more. The question is how do we live this out and declare the King as king to others as we are going along...(Matthew 28)."


I have to disagree with you jim, there are signs of a "social gospel" all around us. Look at Rick Warren's Purpose Driven P.E.A.C.E Plan. Look at the "gospel of Bono" from U2 which is more easily defined as "COEXIST". Look at the common thread amongst the 2. The Warrens do preach a social gospel, as do Bono, Oprah, the Warren's, the pastor from the Crystal Cathedral (Robert Schuller I believe?), Brian Mclaren, Rob Bell, Doug Pagitt, and others in the Post Modern Emergent Church of Deception) They believe that All faiths can come together (without Jesus Christ being the centerpiece of what is being preached) to change social ills. They subsequently all seem to preach an "all-inclusive gospel". This is contrary to the Word of God. There is only One Way to a relationship with God te Father, and that is Jesus Christ. Ecumenicalism has done more harm to the Body of Christ, than help it. Jimmy Carter in turn is identified by some in liberal Christian circles as being a compassionate man; yet, his actions defy everything that is defined as a Born Again Christian.

jesus4me »

Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:25 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 0

A Christian is one who not only trusts in Jesus Christ but OBEYS His teachings. A Christian REFLECTS the very image of Christ in word and deed. He's NOT some dogmatic "social activist", or proponent of the social gospel who seeks social change through activism. He is one led by the Holy Spirit of God to pursue righteousness (not self-righteousness) and holiness - apart from which no one will see God.

igh »

Sat May 31, 2008 7:43 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

Habitat for humanity cannot be a Christian organization if it partners with a well known satanic institution like planned parenthood. But one thing satan cannot do is keep those precious babies from God, they are with him even now. satans power is quite limited, but dont take him for granted, he is unrelenting in his evil manipulations and traps to lead many to destruction , and many will indeed follow him.

2Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Corinthians 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
2Corinthians 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

oldstudent »

Sat May 31, 2008 12:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

For those of you looking for the alternative to H4H, here it is:

http://www.fullercenter.org/site/PageServer?pagename=frontpage

This is the founder of H4H and left H4H because of the leaving of Christ.

BTW;
There is no "social gospel" nor is the social aspect of Christ confined to after the word is preached. Jesus healed many to demonstrate the kingdom had come but didn't always preach or give Himself before the healings or miracles. We are called Christians which is "little Christs." We are called to imitate (not duplicate) our King. The gospel is declaring Jesus as King (that IS the Good News for mankind) and nothing more. The question is how do we live this out and declare the King as king to others as we are going along...(Matthew 28).

one thing that is certain now, partnering to make it easier for PPH to kill humans and get paid to do so is NOT furthering the kingdom of Jesus.

Grace and Peace,
Jim

lewr2 »

Thu May 29, 2008 11:03 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

By the way Didy,

I'm not the man who started the blackgenocide page, nor Margaret Sanger, who's works / quotes you can read for yourself. Don't argue with me. Argue with them!

http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/special_issues/population/the_negro_project.htm
http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm
http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

The really unfortunate thing is that MLK didn't understand what she stood for.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/the-reverend-martin-luther-king-jr.htm

lewr2 »

Thu May 29, 2008 10:49 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

<<The “social gospel” and the “gospel of Christ” are inseparable, hand in glove; one is not secondary to the other unless you want to oppose Christ himself (Matthew 25:31-46).>>

Not when you put one over the other. The FIRST is to PREACH the gospel. Then, to take care of your brother / sister in CHRIST. Then, to help others outside. Secondly, there will ALWAYS be poor among you.

<<I won’t bother responding to the more sensationalist accusations.>>

It's not an accusation if true. Read the links, do the research.

jesus4me »

Wed May 28, 2008 10:32 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

didymus, if you'd like, you can check out an organizatio that is trully preaching the Gospel of Christ as taught in the Bible, and yet cares for orphans, feeds the poor, drills wells in the remotest parts of the 10/40 window. you can Google them under the name Gospel for Asia. 100% of all donated proceeds go to the mission field. Check them out, and you'll see what the Lord is doing thru them. I'll continue praying for you and for the Lord to open your eyes to the absolute Truth of His Word.

jesus4me »

Wed May 28, 2008 10:27 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

continued to didymus:

. If I decide now to start a philantropic/humanitarian organization and further decide to call it a Christian organization, I would not deny poor people food, or housing if that was part of the ministry, but Jesus Christ's Gospel must be preached to them. IF they do not want the Jesus of the Bible, but want a "social gospel Jesus" as you put it, then that is their problem with God. I am commanded to obey God's Word and tell other's about Christ. My job is not to save tem; that's the Lord's job. However, we as the Body of Crist are called to "go into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature" . Whether the "world" specifically means America, or abroad is individual to the calling of each believer in Christ. If God is the definition of true love, and HE demonstrated that by giving up His Only Son as a MEdiator between God and man, I believe any "Christian" ministry that fails to point this out and allow God's Holy Spirit to convict people of sin by the presentation of the Word of God and giving people the choice to choose whom they will serve is only offering lip service my friend. The whole idea of something being called Christian is to be Christ-like. Not just in feeding the poor, clothing people who need clothe, but in word and in deed. Part of that "deed" comes with obeying God's call to tell other's about His Plan of Salvation. Furthermore, what use is it for me to have a so-called "Christian" organization that sympathizes with one of the saddest "legal"things in our lifetime - abortion? Mr. Carter neds to repet, adn seek the One he claims to follow. Maybe the Lord would grant him godly discernment on such matters. I wil be praying for you didymus.


p.s.: you can absolutely flag yourself. I only made the comment about flagging, because there has been an awful lot of flagging going on in previous articles, and i thought it had started here. that's all. Feel free to flag yourself; just don't put words in my mouth like "capitalist Jesus". I never even used the phrase.

jesus4me »

Wed May 28, 2008 10:24 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

Didymus wrote:

"jesus4me,

You responded, “Furthermore, Didymus if you would have bothered to read the "rest of the story" then you would have had a better picture of what i said in context. This is the conclusion to my previous post…”

Well, I did read that… and it sounds a lot like what I asked you. What do you suggest HfH do for the ones who don’t accept the “Jesus” of capitalism? What if the needy want a more “social gospel” Jesus, or no Jesus at all? After all, when you say about Carter’s work with HfH, “He is really not doing anyone a favor”, that if they are not converted to the capitalist “Jesus”, then apparently they’re just wasting time? Sounds to me like you want houses for “converts” only. "

Didymus, do me a favor will you? I've asked you once too many times not to add words to my comments. Can you answer me one question? Where in my comment did I ever mention a "capitalist Jesus"? I only mentioned what the Word of God tells us to do which is to present Jesus as the Only Way to a relationship with God the Father, and that if HFH, or ANY "Christian" Organization fails to do so, they are failing to fulfill the most important mission - Making Disciples. That's all; Nothing more, nothing less. If you can answer where I mentioned a "capitalist Jesus" , then maybe I'll know what you're getting at. Capitalism is not biblical, and neither is Socialism/Communism. Having said that, what does the "social gospel" have to do with preaching the Jesus of the Bible. Yes, Jesus fed the poor, and helped the needy, but His ultimate aim was to show them that they were in need of a Savior.

dgnymn »

Wed May 28, 2008 10:20 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

Habitat for Humanity??? Whose Humanity now - Planned Parenthood, the organization who kills babies, promotes pornography and engages in fascist propaganda to meet its goals?? The fact that Habitat for Humanity is "partnering" with them is truly troubling, even with the spin - "Well, it's just a...," "it's just a...." It's just..." Ad nauseum!!!

this was Carter's idea, but he's lost all his credibility, and now his organization, the Habitat is being applauded by the Planned Parenthood people. No excuse. Shut them both down!!!!

dgnymn »

Wed May 28, 2008 10:20 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

Habitat for Humanity??? Whose Humanity now - Planned Parenthood, the organization who kills babies, promotes pornography and engages in fascist propaganda to meet its goals?? The fact that Habitat for Humanity is "partnering" with them is truly troubling, even with the spin - "Well, it's just a...," "it's just a...." It's just..." Ad nauseum!!!

this was Carter's idea, but he's lost all his credibility, and now his organization, the Habitat is being applauded by the Planned Parenthood people. No excuse. Shut them both down!!!!

didymus »

Wed May 28, 2008 5:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

lewr2,

The “social gospel” and the “gospel of Christ” are inseparable, hand in glove; one is not secondary to the other unless you want to oppose Christ himself (Matthew 25:31-46).

I won’t bother responding to the more sensationalist accusations.

lewr2 »

Wed May 28, 2008 4:44 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

Diddy... has nothing to do with Capitalism. Social gospel is secondary to the gospel of Christ.

Has to do with an organization that aligns itself with murder and genocide. A history of trying to eradicate Jews, blacks and anyone else they decide isn't of their kind.

didymus »

Wed May 28, 2008 4:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

BTW, I flagged myself. I don't think there is anything wrong with doing that.

didymus »

Wed May 28, 2008 4:22 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

jesus4me,

You responded, “Furthermore, Didymus if you would have bothered to read the "rest of the story" then you would have had a better picture of what i said in context. This is the conclusion to my previous post…”

Well, I did read that… and it sounds a lot like what I asked you. What do you suggest HfH do for the ones who don’t accept the “Jesus” of capitalism? What if the needy want a more “social gospel” Jesus, or no Jesus at all? After all, when you say about Carter’s work with HfH, “He is really not doing anyone a favor”, that if they are not converted to the capitalist “Jesus”, then apparently they’re just wasting time? Sounds to me like you want houses for “converts” only.

nanstein »

Wed May 28, 2008 3:46 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

How disapointing! I can't say that I'm surprised. Jimmy Carter, who established Habitat has become increasingly liberal over the years. Note his recent attempt to negotiate with Israel's enemies. Carters world view may surprise many folks who assume he is a conservative Christian with Biblical views.

jesus4me »

Wed May 28, 2008 3:46 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

And whoever is flagging, please stop. I do like reading what people write even when i don't agree with them. I couldn't even read didymus's last post after the one he addressed to me. hence, i could not respond to the flagged comment appropriately.

jesus4me »

Wed May 28, 2008 3:44 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Furthermore, Didymus if you would have bothered to read the "rest of the story" then you would have had a better picture of what i said in context. This is the conclusion to my previous post:

"Born again Christians need to wake up and not support this "social gospel" that he advocates, adn they need to start supporting people who preach the Gospel of Christ first and formost, and help the poor while they are doing it. America needs to wake up, and stop supporting Jimmy Carter and the like of his kind. People need to wake up in general; we are living in perilous times! The guy(jimmy Carter) thinks he is doing the world a favor in the name of socialism, when he's stabbing Christians in the back; not to mention the Body of Christ. He is really not doing anyone a favor."

jesus4me »

Wed May 28, 2008 3:41 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

didymus wrote: "jesus4me,

You mention, “Why doesn't he redo the whole habitat for humanity, and turn it into a true Christian organization that reaches people at their deepest need - Christ, and then supplement it with the physical needs.”

So, are you recommending that he build houses for “Christians” only? “Christ” first, then meet their needs, convert to the God of free-trade capitalist economics, or go homeless? "


Didymus, I know you sympathize with many liberal social gospel causes including the emergent church. When you take my quotations, please take everything I say into context. Please don't skew what i have said. What I am saying is that if Mr. Carter was to revamp Habitat for Humanity to be an evangelical ministry that proclaims the Gospel of Christ to those in need, and in the process is humanitarian in the sense that it will then help their physical and housing needs; then it could be trully called a Christian organization;that is all i am saying on the specific quotation you apparently did not understand.

didymus »

Wed May 28, 2008 2:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

jesus4me,

You mention, “Why doesn't he redo the whole habitat for humanity, and turn it into a true Christian organization that reaches people at their deepest need - Christ, and then supplement it with the physical needs.”

So, are you recommending that he build houses for “Christians” only? “Christ” first, then meet their needs, convert to the God of free-trade capitalist economics, or go homeless?

lewr2 »

Wed May 28, 2008 2:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

"Cmon, m'blackmon. This is not a race issue. It's an issue about right and wrong. It's about a Christian org yoking with Satan's nursery. Don't misdirect focus. PP is evil by design and definition."

Actually Doc... m'blackmon is absolutely correct. Margaret Sanger started PPH way back. She was connected to Hitlers regime as well. Please read these links, and/or scroogle Sanger + Planned Parenthood at http://www.scroogle.org

http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/special_issues/population/the_negro_project.htm
http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm
http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

The really unfortunate thing is that MLK didn't understand what she stood for.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/the-reverend-martin-luther-king-jr.htm

jesus4me »

Wed May 28, 2008 11:31 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

ronfurg wrote: "This is truly a sad development. Please pray that the Habitat folks will repent."

ronfurg, i agree with you totally! But in additng to this, I really think the leader/founder of the organization Mr. jimmy Carter himself is the one who needs to repent. He is doing the name of Christ a great diservice by supporting planned parenthood, as well as this "social gospel" he purporsely tries to push with a liberal agenda behind it. In addition, he is doing the U.S. a great diservice by using tax payer donations from another organization of his to fund travels to totalitarian countries like Venezuela and Cuba, and while there, backstabbing the U.S. people with his anti-american soapbox; not to mention his outright anti-semitism, and his traveling a few years back to the middle east to celebrate free elections for the Hamas terrorist organization. Why doesn't he redo the whole habitat for humanity, and turn it into a true Christian organization that reaches people at their deepest need - Christ, and then supplement it with the physical needs. Why doesn't he preach the Gospel of Christ in Venezuela and Cuba and try bringing a revamped Habitat for Humanity to those countries in the name of Christ the Savior instead of spewing venomous socialist/communist propaganda about American "Imperialism" to these totalitarian Governments?

Born again Christians need to wake up and not support this "social gospel" that he advocates, adn they need to start supporting people who preach the Gospel of Christ first and formost, and help the poor while they are doing it. America needs to wake up, and stop supporting Jimmy Carter and the like of his kind. People need to wake up in general; we are living in perilous times! The guy(jimmy Carter) thinks he is doing the world a favor in the name of socialism, when he's stabbing Christians in the back; not to mention the Body of Christ. He is really not doing anyone a favor.

mrmwest »

Wed May 28, 2008 7:35 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

Let Habitat hear your voice
http://www.habitat.org/cd/contact/general.aspx

KatiesMommy »

Wed May 28, 2008 3:06 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Please remind me never to donate anything to Habitat For Humanity. This is wrong, just plain wrong, and it goes against Habitat's Christian principles. Christian organizations are supposed to save families, not destroy them. Who's next, the March of Dimes? This organization (I'm not sure if it's Christian) dedicates itself to saving babies and in preventing birth defects, and as far as I know, it opposes abortion. Or does it? Anyway, this is truly shocking, and I hope Habitat wakes up and backs out of this deal.

doc »

Tue May 27, 2008 10:24 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Cmon, m'blackmon. This is not a race issue. It's an issue about right and wrong. It's about a Christian org yoking with Satan's nursery. Don't misdirect focus. PP is evil by design and definition.

marteblackmon »

Tue May 27, 2008 8:18 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

Now Ive heard it all. What fellowship can light and dark h ave?
Don't they know that P.P. was started specifically to get rid of the black population? It's a matter of record. Oh my, when I think how it was years ago. Before PP.

igh »

Tue May 27, 2008 7:38 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

planned parenthood, what name is more opposite than theres for what they really do and set out to accomplish?

ronfurg »

Tue May 27, 2008 5:07 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

This is truly a sad development. Please pray that the Habitat folks will repent.

JR »

Tue May 27, 2008 3:10 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 0

I have been reading the book of Ezra lately, and this is the same thing Satan tried to use to stop the Jews from rebuilding the temple. The only difference is that Ezra told his enemies they could not work together. Light and darkness have no fellowship with each other.

blue1018 »

Tue May 27, 2008 2:38 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

if anything, i would only criticize this one hfh site in FL, but i would NEVER go against hfh in general. they are an amazing organization. i have worked to built many homes with them from pennsylvania to south dakota. they are not a profit-fueled organization and as far as i know they are true to literally building homes, and inviting families in.

believer »

Tue May 27, 2008 1:27 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 1

Hey guys, why the surprise Jimmy Carter has been their poster child for years and he's also seriously pro-choice, but before we bail on Habitat has anyone heard their spin on this?

crc »

Tue May 27, 2008 12:41 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 1

I'll make sure I never help Habitat for Humanity. They are completely out of touch with true Christianity. There are too many valid Christian organizations to waste my time on those that are not what they claim to be.

SqueakyWheel »

Tue May 27, 2008 12:20 pm Agree: 10   Disagree: 0

Shame on Habitat for Humanity! Please reconsider your facilitation of evil with PP.

ID4234 »

Tue May 27, 2008 11:36 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 0

Amazing how so-called Christian ministries cooperate with those who oppose us and work to defeat our own causes. Can anyone tell me why Habitat would ruin its reputation by doing this? Won't it affect both their vounteer force and their donations? What are they thinking?

sertelt »

Tue May 27, 2008 11:33 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Originally reported by LifeNews.com on May 22 at http://www.lifenews.com/state3254.html