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Society|Thu, Jun. 05 2008 12:33 PM EDT

Christian Leader Not Excited about 'President Obama'

By Michelle A. Vu|Christian Post Reporter

Correction appended

  • Obama
    (Photo: AP Images / Alex Brandon)
    Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill. waves after his address before the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) Policy Conference 2008, Wednesday, June 4, 2008, at the Washington Convention Center in Washington.

Barack Obama’s rocket fire leap from a virtual no-namer to the Democratic Party’s celebrity-status presidential nominee has the nation buzzing with excitement, but a values voter leader is cautioning Americans to be careful and to take a closer look at what the candidate really offers.

“We don’t know a lot about Sen. Obama’s plans for America,” said Vision America President the Rev. Dr. Rick Scarborough in a statement on Wednesday. “On the campaign trail, he has mostly spoken in generalities.”

“What we do know is that, if elected, he would be the least experienced man to occupy the White House in at least the last 100 years. We also know that by every conceivable measure, the charismatic Senator is a dyed-in-the-wool liberal,” Scarborough added.

Obama has held national office in the U.S. Senate for a little more than three years, and before that, he served in the Illinois senate from 1997 to 2004.

Scarborough read off a list of recent presidents who had “far more experience” than Obama, including Ronald Reagan who was governor of California for eight years before running for president; Bill Clinton who was a three-term governor of Arkansas; and Jimmy Carter who was an ex-Georgia governor.

“[C]ompared to any of these men when they sought the presidency, Obama is a political neophyte,” according to Scarborough.

Even defeated rival Hillary Clinton has twice the Senate experience as Obama, he added.

Besides inexperience, the Christian leader also found troubling what he called Obama’s “inveterate liberalism.”

"The National Journal rated Sen. Obama the most liberal member of the United States Senate in 2007 – more liberal than Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton or Ted Kennedy,” said the pastor whose ministry seeks to encourage and mobilize pastors and congregations to restore Judeo-Christian values in their communities and the nation.

“I can't think of a single issue – foreign or domestic – where Obama deviates one iota from the left wing of his party.”

But not all Christian leaders feel as adverse towards the Democratic presidential nominee as Scarborough.

Popular and influential Christian leader Bishop T.D. Jakes of The Potter’s House in Dallas, Texas, expressed enthusiasm and support for Obama as his party’s nominee.

“I congratulate Sen. Obama on this historic accomplishment,” wrote Jakes, who highlighted that Obama is the first African-American to be the presidential nominee for a major U.S. political party, in a column on CNN.

But the megachurch pastor quickly added that what he really hopes people will see is that Obama’s victory is not just for African Americans, but a victory for democracy and change.

“Today we saw that Americans respect experience, but are interested in change,” Jakes writes. “I hope that we can somehow merge the best ideas of our differences and emerge with a president who epitomizes our highest and best ideals.”

Obama has strong support from the African American Christian community, and many of its leaders have actively worked to mobilize black congregants to support him.

In December, the campaign launched a committee with top African American religious leaders who volunteered to educate voters about Obama as a candidate of faith and values. And he threw Gospel concerts to court black Christian voters in South Carolina ahead of its primary.

Besides black Christians, Obama has also reached out specifically to Hispanic evangelicals in addition to courting American Christian voters in general with his “God talk” and participation in faith forums.

Obama, as the Democratic Party’s nominee, now faces Republican nominee John McCain, who although having his own troubles with values voters, has been able to smooth out rough patches by touting his unbroken pro-life record and his opposition to gay “marriage.”

Correction: Thursday, June 5, 2008:

An article on Thursday, June 5, 2008, about Christian leaders’ responses to Barack Obama securing the Democratic presidential nomination incorrectly reported that Obama held Gospel concerts in North Carolina. The Obama campaign had held the concerts in South Carolina.

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  • Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I just want to say one thing, Bush can't be blamed for all the mess we are in....it has to do with many many others.

  • JHS »
    Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Just look at the experience that Bush had and this country is BIG MESS! Scarborough is a joke!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:47 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    We need to pray pray pray, Our nation is in for a very big surprise. God in control of all things. Dear God have mercy on us!!

  • Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:13 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Obama wants to weaken our defense. He is very naive if he thinks the world will go along with his desire to disarm. Obama is bad for America.

    Oabma Pledges Cuts in Missle Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Program
    www.missilethreat.com/archives/id.7086/detail.asp

  • Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:14 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I find it interesting that nine of the Top 10 Most Dangerous Cities in America were all run by democratic mayors. . (http://www.propeller.com/viewstory/2006/12/03/top-10-most-dangerous-cities-in-america/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.humanevents.com%2Fsarticle.php%3Fid%3D17865&frame=true)

  • Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:42 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Obama will raise taxes. The thing is, how much is too much....
    The rich already pay most of the taxes in this country.

    "The data show that the top 1 percent of taxpayers, ranked by adjusted gross income, paid 34.3 percent of all federal income taxes that year. The top 5 percent paid 54.4 percent, the top 10 percent paid 65.8 percent, and the top 25 percent paid 83.9 percent."
    (http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_bartlett/bartlett200512070900.asp)

    Obama is pro-abortion.
    http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/Blueprint_Obama_Abortion.htm

    Obama is liberal and not bible believing. I couldn't vote for him even if I COULD undertand his specific stance on issues (he just speaks in generalities, from what I can see).

  • Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:25 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Last year, presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., made a promise to the Planned Parenthood Action Fund:

    "The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act," he said.

    The so-called Freedom of Choice Act could wipe away every state law limiting abortion, undoing decades of legal work, research and educational successes.

    Obama has co-sponsored the legislation with 18 other senators. The bill has the support of 109 members of Congress.

    Excerpt from:
    http://www.citizenlink.org/CLtopstories/A000007601.cfm

  • Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:22 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I wonder where these people are getting the idea that Obama cares about religion. He's not even remotely close to being Christian and has never claimed to be anything else. The only reason he even tries to be Christian is to deceive Evangelicals into voting for him, which is just plain disgusting. As much as I dread the coming days knowing he can be President, I know God has a plan in store.

  • Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:40 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    God have mercy on America! In actuality, God have mercy on the handful of pure in heart. The days ahead for America are beyond words. Oh how many will cry out in anguish of heart, and say, " I wish I had,.........

  • Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:00 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/14/america/LA-POL-Nicaragua-Ortega-Obama.php

  • Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:49 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    We can easily celebrate the nomination of the first African-American for the Presidency. But it is equally true that the first Catholic nominated to run for the presidency was not John F. Kennedy. That distinction belongs to Al Smith, defeated by Herbert Hoover in 1928. Fears of having a Catholic in office prevented Smith's election. Religious bigotry, no more, no less. In the case of Barack Obama, his lack of experience should have some say in the matter. Being the first nominated need not be the first elected. But let it be on the issues, not on the skin color. I have major misgivings about Obama (McCain gives me some moment to pause as well, so 2008 will be interesting. I've heard the lesser of two evils line, and I'm not into hysterics yet. We have a little under seven months to examine and decide. Bth candidates will have enough to do in their campaigns. For me, it's the issues, then to allow informed conscience to push the lever in my individual voting booth. And pray, pray, pray.

  • Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:16 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 7

    kc "Liberalism is a mental illness, a free people voting for the oppression of socialism & communism is proof!."

    your post makes zero sense.

    Sen. Obama will become President Obama, I look forward to that.

  • Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:21 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Hawkwind, which Bible are you reading? I don't remember Jesus coming out in support of any party. As a matter of fact it seems he condemned those who followed the "party line" (Pharasee, Saduces, ect). Obama is nothing but talk. He promises everything, but offers no explainations for anything.

  • Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:49 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Which presidential candidate will allow the Gospel in Spiriit and in Truth to go out to our nation and to the of the world ? Never the less the world's ship is sinking .Which ever candidate gets in, "Go into all the world and preach the Gospel. to all nations baptizing them in the name of the
    Father ,and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:and lo I am with you always,even unto to end of the world. Amen"

  • Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:57 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 11

    It is highly probable that Sen. Obama will be the next president of the US. It will be good for America and the world. He will be able to correct the multitude of errors committed by the fool that now ocupies the WH. Sen. Obama is an intelligent and very capable person whole will bring honor and respectibilty back to the office of president. McCain is unlikely to become president, he is an old man that would continue many of the failed policies of the current band of fools. McCain is a war monger and will continue the failed US foreign policies of the fools bush & cheney.

  • artm »
    Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:32 am Agree: 8   Disagree: 0

    Obama is about as much Christian as the man in the moon. And as far as T,D Jakes, he has about as much Spiritual Discernment as Obama.

    And what some will call fear and hate, Others will call Discernment and Wisdom.

    If Obama is elected President, And he very well could be, The day will come when he will stand before the American people and declare, " I am returning to the faith of my father "

    Say what you will, But be careful how you vote, We won't get a do over.

  • Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:05 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 5

    What a bunch of malarky!

    Jesus was no liberal or conservative, he unlike us had no mental bent either way because Jesus was perfect!

    Obama is facist liberal who will appoint ACLU members to his cabinet.

  • Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:56 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 7

    It seems obvious, based on comments I read here, the things that divide this country; bigotry and fear being primary among them. If you need something to fear then fear a nation run by corporations. Seriously. Then follow the money. Who is paying for our candidates campaigns? Who has most at stake? I think if you look you will see that Barack Hussain Obama (get used to the name you fear mongers!) does not get his money from death dealing, privacy stealing corporate interests. Look for yourselves who runs Grumpy McSame's campaign.

    Oh yeah, and Jesus was a liberal!

  • DRJ »
    Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:01 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "Blessed is the nation whose god is the Lord." As long as that describes America, the Lord will claim us as His own. When we turn from obeying His commands, judgment will come. A vote for B. Hussein Obama is a vote for swift judgment on America. May God have mercy on those who vote against His statutes and Commandments.

  • Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:10 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Star2, Topekan and MsnChris are absolutely right!

    What's amazing is putting these three posters together on one line, so there is hope for all of Christianity.

    As a minister for many years in both Reformed and Evangelical Churches I find Obama and his stance on life and marriage issues repulsive.

    I was talking to an old friend of mine who is a Catholic Priest and he said something to me that was quite funny, "It is great having a candidate like Obama, because maybe fundamentalist Christians might see Obama's anti-Christ qualities more clearly now and stop focusing all their hatred on past Popes who have always received their venom and never were they the anti-Christ in the first place." Funny, but true.

    Well said felllow Posters, Obama is a wolf in sheep's clothing and while it is hard to get fired up for McCain let us realize that millions of babies lives depend on us to vote for McCain. The sanctity of marriage depends on voting for McCain. These are grave times.

  • crc »
    Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:47 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    I totally agree with Dr. Rick S. Obama has spoken in mostly general terms and I am absolutely convinced he is a dyed-in-the-wool liberal intending to take us farther away than ever from our nations Christian heritage.

  • Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:03 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Frankly, I don't put much stock in what TD Jakes says, considering that he has denied there is a Trinty in reference to God. Most likely he's like most other black pastors that get wrapped up in the limelight, especially when you have one of the largest churches in the state.

    It's time people stop focusing on prestige, money and popularity and preach the gospel straight at folks.

  • JHS »
    Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:40 am Agree: 8   Disagree: 3

    The Rev. Dr. Rick Scarborough is a republican, I expect him to not like Obama. as far as experience he has about the same experience as Lincoln and Kennedy. Look how much experience Bush Cheney had, they created the biggest mess we have been in for years!!!!!

  • Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:17 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Grr! Makes me so angry when people try to mix social, religious, and now political issues with Obama.

    How do you seperate God from social, religious and political issues:

    Social: God tells us how we should live;
    Religious: We are to worship God with all our heart, strength and soul.
    Political: God is our King. As Christians, He is the head of our lives.

    Now in Samuel the people wanted a king other than God, God told Samuel.
    1 Samuel 8:7, 9,18, 21
    Heed the voice of the people in all that they say to you; for they have not rejected you , but they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them.
    Now therefore, heed their voice. However, you shall solemnly forewarm them, and show them the behavior of the king who will reing over them.
    And you will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, and the Lord will not hear you in that day.
    And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he repeated them in the hearing of the Lord.

  • Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:16 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    msnchris70,

    It appears that we have some common ground on which to stand after all. Well said.

  • Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:48 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    The problem with this election is that neither Obama or McCain is a no-brainer choice from a Christian perspective, regardless of what the conservative right wants to think. If you look at their records, both have plenty of personal and professional baggage to carry.

    I think the one thing that I don't get is why people are keying in on the gay marriage & abortion issues when the president's duties affect the military and foreign affairs in a much more direct and meaningful way. This is an issue for legislators more than executives which is the job of the President.

    The fact is: we have had an anti-gay marriage and anti-abortion President for 8 years. Gay marriage is now sanctioned in places it never was before and abortion is as available as ever. Before you jump, I'm not blaming President Bush at all for these trends, just trying to draw a conclusion as to how much a President can impact those issues.

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:51 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 4

    star,

    "and doesn't have any wisdom in knowing how to deal with them."

    Um, by your call Obama isn't wise enough to deal with the Muslim world, but wasn't he but one of the few politicians who actually opposed going to invade the wrong coutnry (Iraq) which has alerady cost us over 600 billion and mounting? (Likely to be over 3 trillion when its all said and done)

    So, I guess you think he should of done, or do what old Bush jr did by starting a totally uneeded war? Is that 'sound policy' star?

    "His interest in raising taxes will only become a heavy burden for all concerned."

    I hate to break it to you star, but taxes must be raised sooner or later, a coutnry can't continually defer its debt in the manner we've done for so long, why do you think the value of the US Dollar has been dropping? How exactly do you think we went from just over 4 trillion in national debt in 2000 to now close to 10 trillion in some 8 years? Yup, Bush tax cuts + Iraq War II + not paying for it now and defering it all to future generations, plus interest. Guess who owns a lot of the debt which we have to pay back? Yup, Japan, China, and many other countries. Over 8 years I have watched and watched, waiting for Bush to take a proactive lead in removing our dependence on oil by setting higher MPG mandates like all other industrialized countries have. Only recently has this occured, near the end of his lame duck presidency. Katrina ring a bell? I can't wait till janurary, good riddence bush.

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:23 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 5

    Barack Hussein Obama is NOT the President, yet, friends!!!! No matter what T.D. Jakes says, Obama is NOT to be excited over!!! T.D. Jakes should check his theology a little better. The FACT is: Obama is the most pro-choice candidate - the advocate of the murder of millions of unborn children; and he is unabashedly the most radical in his espousal of the homosexualization of this nation - giving homosexuals and lesbians the same rights as traditional families. He is even adamant about signing into law Hate Crimes, which will essentially attempt to silence the Christian community!!! Maybe Mr. Jakes is okay with this, but I doubt if traditional citizens and families of this nation are!!!

    REPENT, FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND!!!

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:58 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 4

    blue1018

    RE:How dare anyone call him inexperienced.

    Not only is Obama inexperienced, he lacks understanding of the enemy (Islam) and doesn't have any wisdom in knowing how to deal with them. His support of immoral behavior and policies will only go to promote America's decay and ultimate destruction. His interest in raising taxes will only become a heavy burden for all concerned.

    God will bring judgment on this nation for its immorality. A nation can thumb its nose in the moral face of God for so long before it comes under the judgmental hand of God.

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:46 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 7

    AND LOOK WHAT SO CALLED 'EXPERIENCE' GOT US TODAY: FORECLOSURES, AN UNJUSTIFIED WAR, CONTAMINATED TOYS, A BAD ECONOMY, $4 GAS, HEALTH THAT LITERALLY WIPES OUT FAMILIES, TORTURE, UNREGULATED RECORD PROFITS (HEY! The rich DO get richer at the EXPENSE of the poor!). do *NOT* call him "inexperienced" or "with no experience". Sorry, but I DO NOT believe that a man or woman needs years sitting in an office, having lavish lunches with lobbyists, taking flights across the country for 10 min. meetings, or having their *interns and staff* write up their proposals to be considered experienced. I think I would know.. I WAS ONE OF THEM!

    Grr! Makes me so angry when people try to mix social, religious, and now political issues with Obama.

    How dare anyone call him inexperienced.

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:37 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "But the megachurch pastor quickly added that what he really hopes people will see is that Obama’s victory is not just for African Americans, but a victory for democracy and change."

    This is not likely to happen. The realities that came to the surface during the Primaries are too disturbing.

    It is clear now that this country has some very serious divisions in the church. We proclaim to the world that we are One Nation Under God, but there is no direction within the church to stand together.

    We need to be more concerned with unity in the church, and less with democracy and change in this country.

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:07 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Please don't vote for Obama because of color. Seek God and vote accordingly.

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:46 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Hawkwind

    No harm can come to the soul of an unborn child since that soul cannot be judged. There is no sin. The soul is innocent.

    Therefore sin only falls to the one who takes the life of that soul against the will of God. This is done in selfishness and does not glorify God.

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:39 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    msnchris70 said, "He has no regard for life. He supports euthanasia and basically anything that kills human life."

    I sure agree with you here msnchris70.

    Obama has all the qualities that would fit in real nicely with the antichrist system that is coming before long.

    This country wants change. They will get what they want. They will be happy at first but those changes will turn on them and make their life a living hell.

    May God help us.

    Christians, the end is near. If you aren't living for God, then get right with Him. Recommit your life to Jesus and live for Him with all your heart. Your redemption is drawing nigh.

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:21 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 4

    Obama has garnered an estimate 93% of all Black voters. This reveals at least to me that the only litmus tests for African Americans in this election is color. Is that reverse racism or is it just the inability of the African American voter to look at a fellow Black running for President with critical eyes. If it were 45% or even 60% or as high as 70% approval by Blacks for Obama it would show at least some sense of thoughtful consideration. With such an overwhelming majority of African Americans voting for him it appears quite clear that; issues, his lack of experience, the fact he is the most liberal person in their party is not of importance.

    TD Jakes is a Prosperity Gospel fraud anyways and lacks any sense of moral hiearchy. Obama was the only person to vote against life saving measures once an aborted child was born undead. If the child survived the botched abortion and was outside the womb, then that baby is not a baby and he would rather see it die. Under Obama our country would increase funding for the murder machine called Planned Parenthood. He would legalize gay marriage and maybe polygamy next. He has no regard for life. He supports euthanasia and basically anything that kills human life.

    He has a silver tongue and is a wolf in sheeps clothing. Is the end near or what?

    WHEN OBAMA DOES SOMEONE GAIN THE RIGHT TO PERSONHOOD? If there is an intrinsic evil, then OBAMA WILL SUPPORT IT!

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:50 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 2

    Why would any spirit filled, born again Christian even entertain the thought of voting for Barack Obama. He is diemetrically in opposition to the teaching's of Christ, as well as Him being the ONLY way to salvation. I don't give a rip how or what Obama chooses to portay himself as, it's all smoke and mirrors.

    Unfortunatley, there are a lot of ignorant, nieve people who don't educate themselves properly to find out the truth about what he really stands for, and Christians who listen to CNN instead of the decernment of the Spirit. Our society today is FULL of "LAZY THINKERS" who swallow everything the media serves up, because they don't take time to use the skills of critical thinking for themselves....shake your head people.
    RANT-
    I am SOOOOO tired of hearing the same OLD lame....did you hear me....SAME OLD pathetic song and dance of "let's bash George Bush". Talk about grasping for straws....on and on they repeat their mantra, and 99.9% of the bashing is not even factual, huh... imagine that!!!
    I shudder to think of the degredation of society under a Barack Obama, who has an 'anything goes' liberal standard, which in the end.... always fails for a society. (do some research)

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:48 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    This is really a no brainer. It's not necessary to pray about who to vote for. Obama is the most pro death candidate out there. That alone tells us all we need to know.

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:08 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Let's all look to the Lord about what He thinks we should do, and NEVER forget one thing, He is King of Kings. Not Obama or McCain, or anyone else. We are to pray for our leadership, whom ever they are and trust God for the rest, as "all things work together for our good" when we
    trust His Name.

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:34 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Politics is like a lottery ticket. Here the Democractic candiate with the least political experience
    got nominated. The democractic party is extremely divided. The fundamental Christians and
    leaders are alarmed about this unexpected drama.

    American people are politically alert but they are totally exhausted by the disparity in between
    the rich and the poor. About 40 million people without medical converage. For the rich,
    gas price increase won't hurt, but for the middle class and poor, it will break their backbone and
    their life standard is reverted. In this situation, they are not thinking about a life after
    death or other social issues, but simply thinking in terms of "plain survival". Since Senator
    Obama had been through the same boat of the average or poor Americans, the poor and
    average Americans were very eager to have a change in this society of rigid capitalism.
    Even nationally known Pastors like T.D. Jakes support him. Now the issue is not in between
    Christian conservatism or liberalism, but in between decent survival and shameful poverty.

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:06 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Here's one question I've always wondered about regarding the Pro Life philosophy - and no insult, just curious - isn't God an all knowing God? And therefore, isn't it possible that the all knowing God would not let the soul of an unborn child come to any harm? Where's the faith that that's possibly the case? Where's the proof that it isn't?

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:56 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    I think it's very possible that Baracks lack of time in Washington can be an asset rather than a liability. The fact that he's less beholden to special interests tells me he's not selling his soul to the highest bidder.

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  • igh »
    Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:28 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
    1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
    1Co 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
    1Co 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
    1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
    1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
    1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
    1Co 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
    1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
    1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
    1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
    1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
    1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
    1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
    1Co 1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:25 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    P.s STM

    A thought comes to me before to go to bed. If BO does support that he is wrong, but how diffrent is that from Bush's policy concerning Iraq that lead to men, women, and children being killed in there thousands, over WMD that never existed?

    Who really holds the moral high ground? Nobody I suspect.

    Kind regards

    Steve

  • igh »
    Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:25 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    why are people so stupid?

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:13 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Dear STM

    As I am not an American and therefore he will not be my president I don't think that really matters.

    Glad to clear that point up.

    Kind regards

    Steve

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:42 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    I called you foolish because you're failing to realize that the difference between a new born/fetus and a grown human being is that one can make choices & decisions and one cannot. And it is foolish to think that a fetus can make such a life altering decision as to fight for a cause. These people in Iraq, as our own, know what they are doing. They are learned people and there are consequences to war. A fetus/newborn, however, cannot make those kinds of decisions.

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:49 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    Dear Shuckcreations

    I was not talking about a child with a gun. I was thinking that anybody, child or adult, is a child outside the womb. Why is it we stop caring about people just because they are a foetus that has grown up?

    I shall finish by not name calling as you did.

    Kind regards

    Steve

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:49 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 3

    steveh20, I don't think you can even begin to compare a child with a gun to a newborn child. Your logic doesn't do anything but show how foolish you are.

  • Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:40 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 6

    "Question: How can a supposed “Christian minister’ enthusiastically support a man who supports killing babies OUTSIDE OF THE WOMB – fully delivered, breathing, crying babies?"

    President Bush has killed lots of babies "outside of the womb" in a sense in Iraq.....

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