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Church|Thu, Jun. 05 2008 06:51 AM EDT

Why Two Guys who Should be Emergent, Aren't

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

Kluck is no scholar himself. “I really feel like I was probably the last guy who would ever write a book like this,” he said. But after reading various emergent literature, he said "a number of theological red flags became apparent even to a guy like myself with no theological training."

One of the major red flags DeYoung points out is the emergent view of the Gospel. More and more emergent books are not placing the substitutionary atonement for everyone's sins at the center of the Gospel message, he said.

"So the Gospel becomes this message about a broken world and Jesus as the great example, he died on the cross as an example of suffering for what he believed in and showing how to overcome evil in our own life and evil in the world. Here’s an invitation to follow Jesus and bring about this new world and this shalom," DeYoung said. "That sounds like a great message but it’s missing the offense of the cross, it’s missing the fact that we can’t obey God’s commands, we need a savior, substitute for our sins."

"So I see an emergent Gospel that is more law than Gospel. It’s more imperative about what we need to do and not, first of all, indicative statements of what God has done for us," the URC pastor stressed.

Emergent Christians have also adopted the postmodern view of knowledge that God is so beyond human comprehension and so infinite that it is heretical to describe Him in human language, DeYoung noted.

Although it’s a humble attitude, DeYoung argues that such a view "undercuts God's ability to reveal Himself in the Scriptures."

"He is always a god who wants to speak to us, who wants to reveal Himself to us," he said, while acknowledging that humans cannot understand God exhaustively. "He has explained to us in the Scripture, through Jesus Christ, what He’s like and we can know it."

The authors stress several times in the book that they wanted to critique the emergent church not in a mean-spirited argument but as Christians writing about Christians. Their disagreements are strong, but not bitter, they insist.

“There’s something unique about Christians critiquing or challenging other Christians,” Kluck commented. “There’s definitely biblical precedent for that but I think it needs to be done in a humble and loving way. That was our goal. We probably failed at times but that was definitely what we shot for.”

Kluck and Deyoung have not chosen to take the well-traveled emergent road and their current church in East Lansing seems pretty bland, has bad coffee and is full of people with "boring testimonies," they said. But they love it.

Note: The terms "emerging" and "emergent" were used interchangeably in the article as was done in the book.

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  • Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I pray everyone reads this books. It is a great book. One thing I hope people take from the book as it addresses the teachings of individuals, is not to lump emerging churches and Emergent into one big vat. I was concerned when they said at the beginning of the book that they were not going to make a distinction between the two but as they addressed the teachings of individuals instead of generalizing, I appreciated their study.

    There are many, mnay troubling things in Emergent and many emerging churches. There are many emerging churches that hold to the Scripture who should not be lumped into Doug Paggitt, Brian McClarian, Tony Jones and the like. Please read this book if you have concerns with the emerging church communitee. It is very, very well done!

  • Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    creyner,

    Believers here are from all across the board; this emergent church movement is bad news. Purchase this DVD; it is worth viewing:

    "The Emerging Church - Revival or Return to Darkness"

    www.understandthetimes.org

  • Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:58 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    I was so encouraged to see comments from so many people who actually understand what the emerging church is, and the damage it is causing, that I had to register and make this comment. Where are you people from? I've studied this for several years and find that hardly anyone is aware of it.

  • Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:08 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    aliveinchrist97, I wholeheartedly agree with your statements. I used to be a part of a church in South Florida where the pastor started off getting on the purpose driven bandwagon trend; replaced the Bible at homestudy groups with the Rick Warren series; bot me and my wife left after this, and went to another church, but I later found out from a close brother in the Lord that the pastor had took a sabattical, and when he came back after months of being gone, he started allowing the sale of Brian Mclaren books at the church book store. He also introduced another Brian Mclaren book at the young college student's "gatherings" ("Bible Study groups"). When confronted with the danger of Brian Mclaren's universalism/postmodern stace on the Bible, the Pastor dismissed himself as not being emergent; he was just trying to be "sincere". A good friend of mine who was the missions pastor at the church hung on as long as he could. He tried to persuade the pastor to repent of this nonesense and throw the books in the fire, but eventually had to step down from his role. The pastor ended up taking the books off the shelf, but kept teaching topical teachings and incorporating some of Rob Bells "Neuma's" in his series'. My friend eventually had to step down from his role as missions pastor; he did not agree with what was going on, as well as some of the "social gospel" trends that he was seeing. I do not know if at this time the pastor has turned from the "emergent" trend. I say this to let you know that I praise God for opening my eyes to this destructive heresy that has crept in the church. The Lord really had grace on both me and my wife, and He moved us to another church where the Word of God was held above emotion/experience/cultural trends/etc. He eventually moved cross country to the North Dallas Texas area where we attend Calvary Chapel. We really enjoy the line by line teaching of the Word of God. I personally enjoy listening to Pastor Chuck Smith, Greg Laurie, and David Rosales on the radio, as I'm driving to work in the morning. Our home church in Plano, and the Bible Study we attend north of there goes thru the Bible line by line, verse by verse precept upon precept, and as we are doing so, we are growing and maturing in our faith, as well as being more discerning on "counterfeit christianity".

  • Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:40 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Mr. Rick Warren and his Purpose Driven P.E.A.C.E Plan is part of the emerging church of deceit just like Brian Mclaren, Rob Bell, Doug Pagitt, Richard Foster, Tony Campolo (his statements on being born again thru contemplative prayer are just flat-out false doctrine) and many other's too numerous to mention. This movement is creating a bridge to Roman Catholicism and "Orthodox Biblical Christianity" as well as the other "faiths" of the world. If you want to learn more on the damage this liberal/post modern movement is doing to the work of our Lord Christ Jesus, then go to www.understandtetimes.org, and www.apprising.org. I hope this helps give you a idea, that this is just another sign of the latter part of the end times where the Bible speaks of false teachers creeping in to the Body of Christ bringing in destructive heresies, and bringing division amongst the sheep.

  • Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:41 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 4

    Emergent Churches are very dangerous since they do not adhere to historic Christianity(mainline Protestant or Catholic/Orthodox) and tend to be very relativistic.

    They also do not follow God by reason as well as faith, so there are many Emergent Church Pastors who reject any form of higher education. They are very legalistic and take Christianity back towards moralities of obligation rather than moralities of happiness.

  • Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:05 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Someone has said that trying to nail down what McLaren and Co. believe is like nailing jello to the wall.
    McLaren teaches that the Koran (among other holy "scriptures") is *also* a legitimate way to know God, and that all good Muslims (among other "Baal worshipers") are *also* God's spiritual sons and daughters.

    This is why McLaren is looking for the day when "Muslim, Christian, Pagan, Jew, Buddist ... pray in loving peace with one another. A true peace where the Lion and the Lamb lay together in harmony..."
    This is not someone who I would say has a fear of God in teaching such things........ need I say more?

    Rob Bell:
    hmm, don't get me started...........

    Bell confuses the availability of salvation to all men with the objective reality of the salvation of all men — there is a huge difference. Salvation is available to all, but not true already for all.

    If man is already reconciled to God, then why does Paul command the Corinthian readers to be reconciled to God? Aren’t they already reconciled? Instead, shouldn’t he have commanded them to live their lives in this new reality?


    These are two men that the movement in this article is based on to a great extent, so I will let these men speak for themselves, they do a fine job all by themselves at revealing what they are really about..............

  • Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:48 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "The Emerging Church - Revival or Return to Darkness" DVD is a must see!

    www.understandthetimes.org

  • Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:27 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    CP - What happened to all of the comments?

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