Egypt Church with Jesus Footprint Damaged in Fire

Prophet »

Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:28 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Brother,
The Catholic Church tries so hard to cover their divisions and put on a good face. But they are divided. And their belief that the Popes are infallible in their interpretation of the Scriptures is laughable at best. Every Pope has different views on certain scriptures. So if the infallibility of the Pope were true, then something is wrong with God.
And how can a fallible, sinful man be infallible in his interpretation of the scripture?

brotheraaron »

Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:19 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Prophet,

even just the first paragraph of the RCC Challenge is worth reprinting here:

"Results From the Roman Catholic Challenge
Recently we advertised that we would pay $100,000.00 to any Roman Catholic who could pin down the official Roman teaching about certain issues. The challenge was issued in response to the oft-argued, extremely tired line of reasoning that Protestantism is illegitimate by virtue of the differences in belief within Protestant denominations--or, as Scott Hahn likes to call it, the "anarchy" of Protestantism. Obviously if this line of argument is legitimate, then it must also act as a standard by which to measure the legitimacy of any religious system. So, we decided to test the Roman Catholic's own system using this same measure. "

(an excerpt from: http://www.ntrmin.org/rcchallenge.htm )

brotheraaron »

Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:05 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Very interesting links Prophet. Thanks.

Prophet »

Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:40 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Here is the unity of the Catholic Church

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5074599

http://www.ntrmin.org/RCDivisions.htm

star2 »

Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:06 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

brotheraaron, the answer is "Nowhere in the Bible are these things taught".

brotheraaron »

Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:52 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Num 33:55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them [shall be] pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.

brotheraaron »

Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:48 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

And finally, once again:

Where in the Bible do we find Peter assuming and exercising the role of a Catholic pope?
Where does the Bible say the early churches treated Peter in a papal fashion?
Where does the Bible say that one man is the head of all churches?
Where does Bible say God established a special priesthood for the churches that is separate from the priesthood of the believers?
Where does the Bible describe the office of such priests in the early churches?
Where does the Bible say that New Testament priests are ordained after the order of Melchizedek?
Where in the Bible do we find a requirement that pastors be celibate?
Where does the Bible say the apostles passed on their authority through a succession?
Where does the Bible give standards for apostolic succession? There are standards for pastors and deacons, but where are the standards for an ongoing apostleship?
Where does the Bible describe nuns in the early churches?
Where in the Bible do we find anyone praying to Mary or to any other person other than God?
Where does the Bible call Mary the Mother of God?
Where does the Bible say that Mary is the Queen of Heaven?
Where in the Bible do we find the teaching that Mary is sinless?
Where in the Bible do we find the baptism of an infant who is too young to believe in Christ?
Where does the Bible teach us that the church can identify dead people as saints and can then pray to them?
Where does the Bible teach that a dead person can intercede for the living?
Where does the Bible teach about purgatory?
Where does the Bible teach that churches should use the bones of dead men in any type of religious manner?
Where does the Bible teach that the churches used indulgences?
Where in the Bible do we find even one example of a Catholic mass being conducted or even described? If Christ established the mass and if it is central to the Christian faith as Rome claims, why is there not one example of it in the book of Acts and the New Testament epistles?
Where in the Bible do we find Christians taking the Lord's supper by partaking of the bread alone without the wine or grape juice?
Where in the Bible does Paul or any of the early church leaders teach that there are seven sacraments?
Where in the Bible do we find the churches practicing the sacrament of confirmation?
Where in the Bible do we find the churches practicing any sort of extreme unction or last rites as a sacrament?
Where in the Bible do we find the prayer of the rosary?
Where in the Bible do we find that New Testament churches are to conduct elaborate rituals and ceremonies after the fashion of Rome?
Where in the Bible do we find that the headquarters for the church is to be in Rome?

brotheraaron »

Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:47 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Amen Star. However...

This is getting tiresome, isn't it? When you are trying to share the gospel with someone and they argue against it with circular reasoning, dishonesty and deflection... there comes a time to retreat into the cool of the evening and pray to God.

Mat 11:30 - For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

star2 »

Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:36 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Catholicism is not the pathway to God. Its teachings and practices are not scriptural.

Tallguy1000 »

Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:16 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

As should you, St. Alphonsus Liguori had a deep love and respect for the Mother of Christ! Lk Ch 1, "and all generations shall call me blessed" Wilderness, have you called Mary blessed yet today? If not, why not, it's biblical. Jn 19:27, Wilderness, behold your mother. Have you beheld her yet? If not, why not, it's biblical! Yet St. Alphonsus Liguori does not speak for the Catholic Church, and these are not official church prayers.

Ah yes, John 17, the prayer of Jesus which he prayed on the night before his death is a beautiful prayer! Notice taht He kept praying for oneness. Several times He prayed that "they shall be one". Why do you suppose that is Wildeness? It's because he was praying for Unity in His Church, the Church that He established in Matt 16, the same Church mentioned several times in the Book of Acts known as "the Way", which became known as the univeral church the Holy Catholic Church. The one Church that is still around 2000 years later. Not 34,000 "churches". How can protestantism be His church when it is so splintered, full of squabbling, competing denominations, and disunity? Quit being a Saul, stop persecuting the people of "the Way", ie Catholics! Be obedient to Christ, answer his plea for oneness, come home to His Church, the one true Church!

Wilderness1 »

Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Tallguy1000 said: "Get with Jesus's program already..."

Here is something that is definitely not a part of Jesus' program in heaven.

"And how can it be that the Son will not graciously hear the mother, when she shows him the breasts from which she has nourished us?" (The Glories of Mary by St. Alphonsus Liguori).

Wouldn't you agree that this is not a part of Jesus' program in heaven?

Wilderness1 »

Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Tallguy1000 said: "Get with Jesus's program already..."

The following is definitely NOT a part of Jesus' prayer program:

"Most Holy and Immaculate Virgin...O Mary, Help of Christians...Our Lady of Sheshan, sustain all those in China...Virgin Most Holy, Mother of the Incarnate Word and our Mother...OH Mary, sweet refuge of miserable sinners..."

If you are part of an organization that has such a prayer program, depart quickly, and consider this prayer program:

"These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father...O Father...Holy Father...Father...Father...O righteous Father..." (John 17).

Take heed, know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

Prophet »

Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I just found out that the Catholic church isn't as unified as Catholics like to believe.

star2 »

Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:26 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Tallguy1000

Re: Salvation

A lost person becomes born again of the Spirit of God when that person hears that he/she (hereafter refered to as he) is a sinner deserving of eternal damnation, that Jesus paid for his sins by dying on the cross for him, that God raised Jesus from the dead showing His power over death, accepts what Jesus did for him, turns to God in prayer confessing to God that he is a sinner, asking God to forgive him of his sins because of what Jesus did for him, asks Jesus to come live in his heart, and be the Lord (boss) of his life.

One of the evidences that a person has truly been born of the Spirit of God is that the believer has a changed life; he is no longer the same person (2 Cor 5:17).

QUESTION: Tallguy1000, have you ever really been born-again by the Spirit of God through conviction in your heart that you were a sinner in need of a savior and that Savior was Jesus Christ?

Or did you become 'saved' when your parent(s) had you baptized as an infant and then later in life you confirmed your 'belief'?

Tallguy1000 »

Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:03 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

BrotherAaron, prove your statement! Prove that the Holy Catholic Church, the Church that Jesus founded, put to death hundreds of thousands......bhah blah blah...
Again, you wont go there because you can't. IT NEVER HAPPENED...

star2 »

Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:55 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Tallguy1000

infantile salvation and baptizism

Part 1

Nowhere in scripture will you find a person being baptized that has not first decided to repent and obey God.

An infant or a child who does not know the difference between right and wrong cannot make such a decision. No adult can make that decision for them either. Baptism will not save the infant because it is merely an act of obedience to God after one believes and receives Jesus.

John 1:12-13

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

It is clear from these verses that to become a child of God one must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. A person does not and can not become a child of God because he was born into a Christian family (born of blood), or that he decided apart from God that it would be a good thing (will of the flesh) or that someone else, like his parents, decided for him (will of man).

star2 »

Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:54 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Part 2

When the mother/parents brought their children to Jesus all He did was bless the children (Mark 10:16). His teaching was that if we as adults or older children do not humble ourselves as a little child then we cannot be saved.

Little children are trusting and they believe what you say without questioning you. For example, if you have a child on a table and you tell him to jump and you will catch him, then he will believe you and jump because he trusts you. That is how we are to be with what the Lord says. If the Lord says something, we don't question it, we act on it because we believe Him in what He says and we trust Him to keep His Word.

Jesus never implied that a young child could be saved without God moving on him for salvation. If He did, then that would have violated His other teachings.

Scripture indicated that if an infant or a young child who does not know the difference between right and wrong dies then he is protected from God's judgment and they go to Heaven. King David's baby that he had from an adulterous affair that died is an example of an infant that went to Heaven(1 Sam 12:23).

star2 »

Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:53 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Part 3

But when the child is old enough to know the difference between right and wrong then he is old enough to know that God is real, that he is a sinner in need of a Savior, and that Savior is Jesus Christ. He is old enough to make a decision for Jesus by accepting what Jesus did for him, that Jesus died on the cross to pay for his sins so he could be forgiven and have eternal life.

As with an older child or an adult so is with a younger child who knows the difference between right and wrong, a sinner's salvation experience is not legitamite unless God the Father draws the sinner to Jesus. A person can becomes a child of God when he is drawn to Jesus by the will of God (John 6:44). When God draws a person to Jesus He is going to convict that person's heart that he is a sinner, in need of a Savior, and that Savior is Jesus Christ. If that person chooses to receive Jesus as his savior and calls upon Him with his mouth in prayer for salvation then he will be saved.

Romans 10:9-10,13

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness: and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Once a person believes from his heart and calls on the name of the Lord for salvation then the person is to be baptized. Baptizism is an act that God wants us to do and we do it as an act of obedience. Obeying God in what He wants you to do produces a clear conscious before God. Disobedience does not.

star2 »

Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:52 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Part 4

In regard to the Philipian jailor and his household being saved (Acts 16:30-34): The entire household was not saved because the father was saved, they were all saved because they all believe the gospel that Paul and Silas preached unto them (Acts 16:32). After they all believed then they were all baptized (Acts 16:33).

Scripture is very plain that each individual must make his/her own decision to receive Jesus as Savior and Lord after the Lord convicts their heart. The teachings of scripture in one area cannot contradict the teaching in another area. So with Lydia's household, they all believed after they heard the gospel much like the Philipian jailor's household did. They didn't all get saved because Lydia got saved.

Baptizing an infant will not impart salvation to that infant. If that child should die before he is old enough to know the difference between right and wrong then he will go to Heaven (1 Sam 12:23).

Infantile baptizism also will not purge or remove original sin from a child's life. We are all born into sin. We all have a sin nature that we must deal with until the day we die. Baptizism does not remove our sin nature from us.

When we become born again by the Spirit of God through the regeneration of the Holy Ghost (Titus 3:5) we are given a new nature created after God's nature in righteousness and true holiness (Eph 4:24). We can decide to live in obedience to our new nature which results in righteousness unto holiness, or we can choose to obey our sin nature which results in death (Romans 6:16,19).

star2 »

Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:43 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Tallguy1000

Re: Praying to dead saints

The RCC, uses Rev 8:3-4 to justify the practice of praying to dead Saints. The prayers that are offered up to God in these verses are the prayers that the saints prayed while they were here on the earth not while they are in Heaven.

God gives us a work to do while we are here on the earth. Part of that work is to pray for one another. Once He calls us home to Heaven our work has ended. Rev 14:13 tells us that: "...Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them."

Praying to dead saints who you think is in Heaven is a direct violationg of what Jesus taught. He taught His disciples to pray to God the Father while He was still on the earth (Luke 11:1-2) and to God the Father in His name after He went back to Heaven (John 14:13, John 16:23).

You cannot find any scripture to support that we are to pray to dead saints. Once believers go to Heaven their work is finished. (Rev 14:13)

God does not hear your prayers if you pray any other way than to God the Father in Jesus' name.

The RCC also justifies praying to dead saints because Jesus talked with Lazarus and Moses and Elijah.

Re:about Jesus calling Lazarus from the dead (John 11:1-44)

Jesus said John 5:21, "For as the Father raised up the dead, and quickeneth them, even so the Son quickeneth whom he will" . "quickeneth" here means "to give life to"

Jesus is our example. He is not showing that we can talk to the dead but that He has power over death.

God the Father answered Jesus' command for Lazarus to come forth because of John 5:21.


Re: About Jesus talking with Elijah and Moses (Matt 17:1-9)

This account was not to show us that we could talk with those who had already gone to Heaven. Jesus was transfigured; His earthly body transformed into His heavenly body. Jesus was seen by Peter, James and John in His glorified body (2 Pet 1:18). He was not asking them to pray for anything. They were discussing the Father's will in regard to Jesus dying for the sins of mankind.

Jesus is our example. He was talking with Elijah and Moses in His glorified (heavenly) body not His earthly body.

You to will be able to talk with Moses, Elijah, Mary, the disciples, etc or your family and friends who preceded you in death to Heaven when you go to Heaven but not here on the earth.

star2 »

Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:25 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Tallguy1000

Re:purgatory

The teaching of a purgatory in 2 Macabbees runs counter to all the teachings Jesus gave on heaven and hell. If Macabbees was inspired by God then the teaching in it would be consistent with the teachings of Jesus. It obviously is not for Jesus taught that once you die, where ever you end up it is forever. If you die in your sins, you go to hell. You don't go to purgatory to be purged of sins you weren't forgiven for here on the earth. If you die with your sins forgiven, you go to heaven. Heaven is forever. Hell is forever.

The truth is either given in 2 Macabees or it is given by Jesus. If you accept Macabees then you are calling Jesus a liar. If He is a liar then He is not the Christ and you are not saved and are still dead in your sins. There is no reconcilation between Macabees and what Jesus taught.

Prophet »

Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:55 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Amen, Tallguy,
I am so excited to be a part of that Church. Along with countless others from many denominations we make up the Body of Christ. As a son of God, I have access to the very throne of God, and in humbleness and boldness I come before Him and He hears me. Glory to God!
Those who boast in their denomination recieve their reward as such. And those who boast in our God will receive their reward here and in the life to come. For He is faithful to those whom He calls His children.

I don't know what 1 Timothy 3:14 has to do with anything. But when I speak of using the Scriptures to answer a question (instead of an institution) one of the Scriptures I back that is 2 Timothy 2:15. We (as individuals) are admonished to study the Word and learn how to dissect it.

brotheraaron »

Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:22 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

This is laughable.
What part didn't you understand, Tallguy? I could not have been more plain or expressive. Besides, I initiated the challenge, so I think the ball is in your court. You didn't even read any of the posts you are trying to comment on. I didn't make any statements. I posted the questions posed by another Christian to see what responses the RCC members would come up with. Tallguy, you don't make any sense. Tell me where I'm misunderstanding you.

Tallguy1000 »

Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:54 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

BrotherAaron
Obviously you will not prove your statement because you cannot prove it! It never happened! So, please stop spreading lies.

Prophet
The reason we go to our Church for wisdom is simple. From 1 Timothy 3:14 “the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth”.
What church you ask? The body of Christ, the one and only church that was ordained by Jesus Christ Himself when He said “Peter, you are the rock, and upon this rock I will build MY church and Hell will not prevail against it”. And Prophet, nice try, but you won’t prevail against it either. This Church that Jesus founded is still around 2000 years later.
In Christ...<><..

Prophet »

Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:40 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

I've found that Catholics are more easily offended when you challenge their church, than when you challenge the Word of God.
In a majority (meaning almost every one) of theological debates with Catholics I've learned this: There is a big difference between Catholic christians and non-Catholic Christians in where their views come from.
When I've asked a Catholic about Biblical things their response is almost always "Well, my Church believes...." or "My priest says...."

When I am asked, I respond with "The Word of God says...."
Catholics are more concerned with what the Church teaches and less with what the Word of God teaches. They speak of the infallibility of the Pope in interpreting the scriptures, yet not every Pope teaches or believes the same as any other. If the Pope is infallible, then God is schizophrenic.

brotheraaron »

Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:00 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Ps. Why don't you try and answer a few of the questions for us? These posts were actually a challenge to you Catholics with a twofold purpose: 1) to illuminate the apostasy of the RCC, and 2) to lovingly guide you to the saving GRACE of Jehovah.

brotheraaron »

Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:54 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Tallguy,

Let me repeat myself: "These last three posts were not my own writing... just to clarify. They come from Pastor David Cloud; Way of Life Ministries." (From my Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:13 pm post.)

Plagiarism is: The act of appropriating the literary composition of another author, or excerpts, ideas, or passages therefrom, and passing the material off as one's own creation.(ucblibraries.colorado.edu/about/glossary.htm)

I'm not sure if you've figured it out by this point, but what I'm trying to show you is that there is a 180 degree difference between my posts and plagiarism! To put it simply, plagiarism is when you take credit for someone's own research and writing. Think on that.

Furthermore, I believe Pastor Cloud is a very well balanced individual with a deep love for God's people as well as sinners. I don't know if you read the whole post or not, so let me quote part of it for you: "If you are Roman Catholic, please understand that we do not hate you. To the contrary,
we love you so much that we preach the truth about Rome so you can see its errors and
turn to the biblical faith in Christ. Our desire and prayer to God is that you might
be saved..."

From my limited experience in life, 'nuts' are rarely coherent. And certainly not godly and loving.

Tallguy, there will be no "...prove your point Aaron" rebuttal in here. The point, my friend, was made here in the summation paragraphs of my previous posts.

So breathe, read it over, think first, and then respond.

Brother Aaron

Tallguy1000 »

Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:43 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

Aaron, do your own research, plagiarism is a weak way out. Pastor david cloud is a nut. For starters, the Catholic Church had not killed hundreds of thousands of people. That’s insane, it’s an outright lie, and I challenge you to try prove it. You won’t be able to. And don’t recite the Crusades, that was in defense of the continuous attacks from Islam. Prove your point Aaron….

Prophet »

Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:00 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

brother Aaron,
It appears that Pator Cloud is a very wise man. Thank you for sharing that bit with us.

brotheraaron »

Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

These last three posts were not my own writing... just to clarify. They come from Pastor David Cloud; Way of Life Ministries.
Praise the Lord! Enjoy!

brotheraaron »

Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:11 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

The final hard nut is a little different, as it does not have to do with
finding Roman Catholicism in the Bible. It is a question that our friend
Brian Snider shared with us:
During the last 1,700 years, the Roman Catholic Church has put to death
hundreds of thousands she believed to be heretics -- Jews, dissident
Catholics, Protestants, anabaptists, Hussites, Lollards, Waldenses, Albigenses
and many others in distant lands who refused to convert to the 'one true church.'
Today, the Roman Catholic Church calls people who hold these very same opinions
'separated brethren' and teaches it is wrong to persecute on the basis of
religious belief. Which church is right? The church which killed those who
dispute her teachings, or the church which treats other Christians -- and
even other religions -- as alternative pathways to heaven?
CONCLUSION
If you are Roman Catholic, please understand that we do not hate you. To the contrary,
we love you so much that we preach the truth about Rome so you can see its errors and
turn to the biblical faith in Christ. Our desire and prayer to God is that you might
be saved. Forgiveness of sins and eternal life is a gift that was purchased by
Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary, and He offers you that gift today. It is not
something you have to try to earn. As a sinner, you cannot ever do enough to earn
God's favor. It is not something that any church can earn for you. It is not something
that can be obtained through a church ritual, such as baptism or confirmation.
Salvation is the free eternal mercy of God through Jesus Christ, and He stands ready
and able to receive every sinner that will come to Him by repentance and faith.
The Bible says you can KNOW you have eternal life right now, today.
"And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is
in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath
not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the
Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe
on the name of the Son of God" (1 John 5:112-13).

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the
gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast" (Ephesians 2:8,9).

"And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace.
But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work" (Romans 11:6).

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye
shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light" (Matthew 11:28-30).

brotheraaron »

Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:57 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

Where in the Bible do we find anyone praying to Mary or to any other person other than God?
Where does the Bible call Mary the Mother of God?
Where does the Bible say that Mary is the Queen of Heaven?
Where in the Bible do we find the teaching that Mary is sinless?
Where in the Bible do we find the baptism of an infant who is too young to believe in Christ?
Where does the Bible teach us that the church can identify dead people as saints and can then pray to them?
Where does the Bible teach that a dead person can intercede for the living?
Where does the Bible teach about purgatory?
Where does the Bible teach that churches should use the bones of dead men in any type of religious manner?
Where does the Bible teach that the churches used indulgences?
Where in the Bible do we find even one example of a Catholic mass being conducted or even described? If Christ established the mass and if it is central to the Christian faith as Rome claims, why is there not one example of it in the book of Acts and the New Testament epistles?
Where in the Bible do we find Christians taking the Lord's supper by partaking of the bread alone without the wine or grape juice?
Where in the Bible does Paul or any of the early church leaders teach that there are seven sacraments?
Where in the Bible do we find the churches practicing the sacrament of confirmation?
Where in the Bible do we find the churches practicing any sort of extreme unction or last rites as a sacrament?
Where in the Bible do we find the prayer of the rosary?
Where in the Bible do we find that New Testament churches are to conduct elaborate rituals and ceremonies after the fashion of Rome?
Where in the Bible do we find that the headquarters for the church is to be in Rome?

brotheraaron »

Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:57 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

Thus it comes about that the Church does not draw her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Hence, both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honoured with equal feelings of devotion and reverence" (Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation, Chap. 2, 9, p. 682).
Words could not be plainer. Rome itself does not make the claim that its teachings are based upon the Bible alone. Yet there are many Catholic apologists who are making such a claim. They are especially active on the Internet, and I hear from them on a regular basis since I have many articles against Romanism at my web site.
Where in the Bible do we find Peter assuming and exercising the role of a Catholic pope?
Where does the Bible say the early churches treated Peter in a papal fashion?
Where does the Bible say that one man is the head of all churches?
Where does Bible say God established a special priesthood for the churches that is separate from the priesthood of the believers?
Where does the Bible describe the office of such priests in the early churches?
Where does the Bible say that New Testament priests are ordained after the order of Melchizedek?
Where in the Bible do we find a requirement that pastors be celibate?
Where does the Bible say the apostles passed on their authority through a succession?
Where does the Bible give standards for apostolic succession? There are standards for pastors and deacons, but where are the standards for an ongoing apostleship?
Where does the Bible describe nuns in the early churches?

Wilderness1 »

Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:59 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

Tallguy1000 said: "Get with Jesus's program already..."

In light of that, here is one thing that is NOT a part of Jesus' program for the redeemed: a queen in heaven for them to praise and honor. If your organization has a queen in heaven, flee from them quickly. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

brotheraaron »

Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Amen Prophet! Praise God! The light shines in the CP tonight...

Prophet »

Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:43 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

And yes, I'm alive and well. The Church I'm a part of, aptly named "Jesus" is also very alive and well. People from all denominations are a part of it. They don't boast about their church affiliation. That just turns God off. They boast in His marvelous works in their lives. They boast about His grace. God is blessing us, and using us. Healing our sickness, delivering us from oppression, leading us into truth. He is calling us, and placing us in use wherever He so chooses. Yes, His Church is doing just fine.

Prophet »

Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:36 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Well, I'll compare whoever to whoever I want. Apparently you missed the analogy.

believer »

Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:25 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

tallguy, having grown-up in a relatively Catholic city, Rochester NY and having lived in Italy for four years I can tell you a majority of Catholics they are Catholic in name only and the same can be said about many in the Baptist faith. We call them C&E Christians they only show up for church on Christmas and Easter and other special occasions. So using that statistic to support your opinion is weak at best.

Tallguy1000 »

Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:38 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

Please don't compare Nazi Germany with the Holy Catholic Church.
Instead, could it be that the Church that Jesus Christ Himself founded is alive and well, and that's why the numbers are so large? Get with Jesus's program already....

Prophet »

Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:59 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Tallguy,
You said "Do you really think millions of people are that stupid?" I'm sure Nazis in Germany in the 40's said the same thing.
Might don't make right. Truth does.

Tallguy1000 »

Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:23 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

I just proved my point....

star2 »

Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:14 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

Tallguy1000

The Word of God defines what truth is. If someone, whether it be a Church,a denomination, or an individual says something that does not align itself with the Word of God then I reject it. Call it arrogant if you want but the majority of people who hold to an opinion that conflicts with the Word of God does not control what I accept as truth, God's Word does.

The only reason so many adhere to the teachings of the RCC is because the have blindly accepted it as truth without examining their claims with the Word of God. Many who have have left Catholicism. The remaining ones are for some reason to blind to see the truth about the false teachings and practices of the RCC.

I don't need to get to know any Catholic Priest or Nun to know that the teachings and the practices of the RCC are not scriptural.

I will always earnestly contend for the faith that has been taught to me by God (Jude 3). If my understanding is wrong then God will correct me and I will adjust my belief accordingly. I am teachable,are you? Or is the teachings and practices of the RCC fixed in stone for you?

Tallguy1000 »

Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:44 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

I don’t understand you Star2. You have a very arrogant attitude! Do you really think the entire world is out of step, or could it be that large numbers speak for themselves? Do you really think millions of people are that stupid? Could it be that millions of practicing Catholics HAVE been guided by the Holy Spirit into the truth? Millions of people Star2 are worshiping with complete honor, reverence, love, and adoration of Jesus. Why do you think you are the only one hearing from God, that’s insane! Honestly my sister, I believe you do have a great relationship with Jesus. It sounds like you’ve suffered a few painful lessons, and I’m sorry to hear that! But guess what, so have I. I stepped out into the evangelical world for a while, but when I looked back at the Catholic Church I realized that everything the evangelicals were teaching me was already in the Catholic Church, but with deeper meaning. Star2, your comments make you sound like you’re still hurting a little. We all are at times. I’ve stayed up too, fasted, prayed and seeked knowledge of God’s will for my life. I wish you would surrender a little to the fact that you don’t have all the answers. From the bottom of my heart, I wish you could partake in the Eucharist with me tomorrow. There is power in the Eucharist! Healing power, comforting power! There have been times when I’ve received communion where I simply can’t quit sobbing tears of Joy in our Lord. Lord, let my heart beat with your heart, abide in me, help me abide in you. Star2, before you continue with your worn out mantra, please sincerely take time to get to know one or two Holy Spirit filled Catholics. Introduce yourself to a nun. Get to know her humbleness and meekness, gentleness, intelligence, joyful spirit, selfless love for Jesus, sincere love for Jesus. Please don’t criticize Catholics anymore until you do. When we look to man for understanding, it is with knowledge that these meek, holy, highly educated (many hold Doctorate Degrees), patient, gentle men have prayed, listened to the Holy Spirit, and interpreted scripture accordingly. Non of this was brought forward individually, but many agreed before it was ever brought forward as Church doctrine. Star2, take the time to watch Benedict Groeschel on Sunday evenings on EWTN. Watch Fr. George Rutler’s show. Then try come back with your criticisms, you won’t be able to…

star2 »

Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:39 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

msnchris70 - I did not flag your Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:36 pm post. If you are the one who is flagging me in retalitation of being flagged then stop. Grow up and accept the fact that their are people who disgree with the teachings of the RCC and many Protestant denominations. Numbers don't make right. Just because a large number of people believe or accept the teachings of the RCC and other Protestant denominations doesn't make the opinions right.

The only opinion that matters and is right and truth is God's opinion! It is His opinion that will judge everyone on judgment day!

You want to know what truth is? Then get with God and let Him teach you and guide you into all truth via the Holy Ghost. Seeking God for understanding of His Word is hard work. It is not easy. It is slow. It takes a lot of time over a period of time, sometimes a long period of time. Sometimes it even involves sacrifice; sacrifice of your time,sleep, and food. God many times uses personal experiences in teaching you scriptural principles. It takes a personal relationship with Him and serving Him as He moves on you to learn from Him.

If you don't want to seek God for understanding of His word then just continue to go the way you are, looking to man for understanding. Let man replace God in your life if that is what you want. That is your right.

star2 »

Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Amen brotheraaron to your Tues 6:09pm post and your Mon 8:51pm post.

Prophet »

Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Jesus isn't God?

irenaeus »

Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:53 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Prophet,

"I John 5:7 'For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.'"

This is a later addition.

Prophet »

Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:48 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

brotheraaron »

Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:02 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

it's not 'blessed', I was using the language of the previous poster who I was responding to. FYI the trinity is found in the bible. Not by name, but by inference.

Tallguy1000 »

Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:26 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Brother Aaron, the Trinity is Blessed? Where is Trinity actually found in the Bible?