Five Steps to Overcoming Ministry Obstacles

CP Admin »

Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Dear CP readers.

Some may have noticed that a large number of comments have disappeared from a number of articles. We would like everyone to know that we are currently in the process of launching our new site within this week and experienced a minor glitch. We apologize for the inconvenience and hope to be able to restore the comments to the site.

Thank You
CP Admin

msunkes »

Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

A link to this article has been posted on the website GoodNewsNow.com.

mike »

Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

ministry obstacles mr warren? so you think that christianity & christians are perfect. NOBODY has to correct you? when christ rebuke the pharisees & the experts in the law, they were insulted & that your mentality. everybody SHOULD, MUST ABIDE BY YOUR RULES! that is why there are christians who are EXHAUSTED ABOUT your rigid, absolute religion that you don't even practice. OH WHAT A HYPOCRITE!!

smithdl »

Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Use whatever word you wish to describe how he teaches, this letter here, the one we are reading is in line with God's word. So at this point, use scripture to show the flaws of this letter. To simply throw man's words against it falls on deaf ears with me.

SolaScriptura »

Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Smithdl you are welcome to your comments but they do not in any way address anything that was being discussed. Passionate yes, but they vacillate between personal conviction and factual statement while ignoring the fact that Rick Warren's primary method of communication is through pragmatic didactics.

smithdl »

Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Sola, your assuming jeremiah never had convert. You also assuming he is saying to be successful you need converts. That is not what he said.

Mike, from what I read he said you need to give it your all to jump across the canyon. Not sure what article you read, but I would recommend re-reading it.

CP2008, meeting with them is not an abomination. If it is, Jesus is not the Christ. To assume what Rick Warren said during that meeting is wrong. Rick Warren has before and will I'm sure in the future speak out against homosexuality. Just because he is not on the corner of a street with a sign telling them there going to burn in hell doesn't mean Rick Warren doesn't know, or preach truth.




Having spent a life dedicated to the word and Christ, I read this article and then read all the responses and I must say, I am sad. This was a GREAT! article on the truth of faith in God for the goals that HE(God) has set before our ministry through His word and how we trust in Him to complete those goals. We trust his word, and jump full steam across the canyon. TRUTH!






The destroyer is the accusers of the brethren, brothers. Please don't play Satan.

mike »

Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

get a job rick warren! JUst give your 10%, & life will be easy & perfect! you want the people to adjust to your thinking!

believer »

Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:52 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

Sola, I think you're right we appear to assume that numbers dictate success and success automatically indicates God's approval. I would add that biblical needs to be foundational to whatever we do in ministry but also God's timing needs to be a big part of the decision making process as well. In ministry one size does not fit all. Plus let's not forget Noah who preached 120 years and it appears could only persuade his immediate family to come on board.

SolaScriptura »

Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:21 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

"At Saddleback, our staff is highly educated! We’ve done more things that didn’t work than did."

If God is in something can it be a failure? While the idea of doing what works is nothing new I would challenge us to make a paradigm shift and do "what is biblical"

When we do what is biblical people reject us - they get mad - they respond in opposition - is that failure because it didn't work? Or rather is that faithfulness that persists. Accolades from people is not our highest priority IMO, or even getting a thumbs up because they like what we are doing - doesn't the very nature of what we do offend, if we are a minister of the Gospel?

" Prosperity: God says in verse 8 “Don’t let the book of the law depart from your mouth. Meditate on it day and night. Be careful to obey everything written in it. Then you’ll be prosperous and successful.” Prosperity is being everything God wants you to be, having God’s blessing your life, and using the talents he has given you. God guarantees that you’ll have more than you need if you trust in him."

Prosperity I would argue is humbling yourself before God, repenting of sin, and being obedient. The key to success is obedience according to Joshua 1:8. Prosperity is not a big church (though that is not sinful necessarily) prosperity is not even lots of people following after you. Jesus had eleven committed disciples and many fair weather friends.

"God wants you to have success in ministry." - Jeremiah never had a single convert

Just wondering and willing to hear some counter arguments I just personally see a thin veneer of biblical terminology painted over pragmatism