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Pentecostal Group Backs Televangelist in Probe Protest

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

A group of Pentecostal ministers and churches have thrown their backing behind televangelist Kenneth Copeland and his refusal to cooperate with a Senate probe into his ministry's spending.

Assemblies of God International Fellowship released a statement in their latest newsletter saying the current investigation, led by Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), into the financial records of six prominent ministries "seems to be crossing a legal boundary."

"Politicians enact laws to separate Church and State which many think to be unconstitutional and then try to intrude into Church affairs while denying the Church discussion of State (political) affairs. This sounds like a one way street in favor of the State," the group said.

Grassley launched an investigation last November, requesting financial records and answers to questions regarding organizational and personal finances from ministries led by Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, Paula and Randy White, Creflo Dollar, Eddie Long and Benny Hinn. Each has millions of followers and collects tens of millions of dollars in donations a year.

The senate probe was prompted by media reports and ministry watchdogs that alleged opulent spending and possible abuse of their nonprofit status.

Copeland submitted limited responses to the Grassley office and recently launched a Web site, www.BelieversStandUnited.com, questioning and protesting the senator's investigation.

The televangelist, who has said his ministry fully complies with all laws, believes the inquiry is a violation of religious freedom, an invasion of privacy and a threat to the separation of Church and State. He also raised suspicion over Grassley’s targeting of only Pentecostal churches that preach the “prosperity gospel” – a teaching that God wants his followers to be rich both spiritually and materially.

A Grassley spokeswoman told The Christian Post that it's unusual for a tax-exempt group to take such action against an investigation. She noted that Grassley has looked at tax-exempt policy issues involving a variety of entities, including the Red Cross, the Nature Conservancy, the Smithsonian, non-profit hospitals and universities.

But some, including Assemblies of God International Fellowship, are backing Copeland and his questioning.

The fellowship believes that the IRS, created by the State, should be conducting an investigation, not the Senate.

"It seems that Rev. Copeland is right in ignoring the Senate’s investigation of Church affairs but pledging to fully cooperate with any investigation by the IRS," the group stated.

In response, the Grassley spokeswoman stated, "Senator Grassley points out that the legislative branch writes the laws, and the executive branch enforces the laws. His responsibility as a leader (chairman and now ranking member) of the Senate committee with exclusive jurisdiction over tax policy is to evaluate the effectiveness of that policy.

"He looks at whether the law is weak in certain areas and allows people to exploit, say, tax-exempt groups for personal gain," she continued. "He leaves the enforcement of existing tax law to the IRS, the executive branch agency with that responsibility."

As of Friday, Joyce Meyer and Benny Hinn are the only two ministries that have submitted full responses for the Senate probe. Randy and Paula White have submitted partial responses, Eddie Long and Copeland have submitted "very limited responses," according to the spokeswoman, and Creflo Dollar has submitted no requested information.

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  • mike »
    Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    to daniel paul - that is so typicl. when somebody disagrees, rebukes, correct or expose the sins of the status quo, the only way to quell that rebuke is to call names like liberals, leftist or unpatriotic.
    christ was called illegitimate, lawbreaker, etc etc when he rebuked & called the pharisees hypocrites.

  • Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    It seems to be quite like chess with some liberals. You have to look at where they could be going with this....

  • Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:40 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    hawk49, I concur there is a lot more at stake here than just these ministry leaders.

  • Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:55 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    JHS,

    You should review the basic tenets of intelligent discourse. When you preface your comments (as you did earlier) with a statement using "Right Winger" as a pejorative, you are using the argument ad hominem.

    A discerning reader will conclude that your use of that instrument is indicative of the lack of a cogent argument, and will thus tend to view anything else you write with a jaundiced eye.

  • Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:09 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    believer,
    The more I probe this issue the more enlightening it gets. Some of the flammatory allegations posted on this site came from stuff like this: http://blastfurnacecanada.blogspot.com/2008/04/ken-copeland-continues-shuffle.html.
    But as I searched further tonight I came across this site that I believe explains everything we really need to know.
    http://www.believersstandunited.com/index.html.
    I am not a follower of any of these 6 Pentacostal/Word of Faith ministries but as a disciple of Jesus Christ and concerned about state encroachment upon the church I am in full support of Ken Copeland's efforts to force the Senate to fully abide by the Constitution. It appears he is cooperating to the maximum extent within his legal rights and allowing the IRS to perform the necessary audit to answer Grassley's other questions within the confines of the Constitution and forcing the Senate to keep private information private.

    God Bless

    Hawk

  • Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    hawk49, I was responding to telles post with regards to some who are opposed to the ministries of some of those in question not the probe itself and the fact that the only way I could see the ministry practices being called into question by an IRS audit, I should have been more clear on that or maybe I am wrong in my assumption.

  • Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    My error. It appears these ministries are not required to file the annual Form 990 per the letter Grassley sent out http://finance.senate.gov/press/Gpress/2007/prg110607f.pdf and corrobarated by the GuideStar.org search of Eagle Mountain International Church: This organization is a 501(c)(3) Public Charity.
    This organization is not required to file an annual return with the IRS because it is a church.
    Contributions are deductible, as provided by law.
    From a Christian worldview perspective this is an issue the body of the Church needs to clean up (if necessary) and not encourage the intrusion of Government oversight and control; not just to these 6 ministies but to the whole assembly of churches. I believe this to be very dangerous precedent of the sovereignty between church and state.

  • Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer,
    Telles is correct. There is a very strict 501c(3) process for registering with the govt and making an annual report on income (IRS forms 990, etc) that clearly shows where all the money comes from and where it goes, including salaries to the top officials. Focus on the Family went through a year long IRS audit in 2006 http://www2.focusonthefamily.com/docstudy/newsletters/a000000953.cfm along with several other conservative Christian ministries based on empty allegations from liberal detractors. The IRS audits are thorough and by the book.
    I do believe that most if not all the info Grassley and company are looking for is available from the Form 990s that these various ministries have filed.
    A section from Grassley's press release reads, "The inquiry is part of Grassley’s long-standing interest in making
    sure tax-exempt organizations are accountable to donors... I don’t want to conclude that there’s a problem, but I have an obligation to donors and the taxpayers to find out more. People who donated should have their money spent as intended and in adherence with the tax code.”
    The teachings and beliefs are not part of the investigation nor should be per the 1st amendment. In addition, tradition from the western world has accepted the church as the property and domain of God and not taxable and controlled by the secular government (Mat 22:21); the concept of the 1st amendment and separation of church and state is in jeopardy, I believe, if the government is to become more of a nanny and start controlling the internal workings of the church. It is up to the congregation to determine if their contributions are handled appropriately.

  • Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    telles, the only possibility I could see that would disagree with your take is if any of the teachings or practices espoused by any of these individuals and especially any teachings or practices related to money contributed to the reason why they should come under the scrutiny of the IRS or any other government agency.

  • Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    There seem to be a lot of opinions being offered that are based on biases rather than on facts. Some of the comments below are close to being slanderous and I am surprised this web site allows them.

    I am confident that a legal investigation into the finances of Kenneth Copeland Ministries will uncover none of the underhanded activity being asserted by some of your bloggers.

    Also, I think the reputation of the IRS as a thorough investigative branch speaks for itself. To assert that they will not get ALL of the details they need for an investigation is ludicrous.

  • Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:57 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    JHS
    Your assertion about what the IRS can or can't do can wait until we get past your allegation of party affiliation.
    Where is the evidence for your claim that these 6 are part of the vast right wing conspiracy?
    Hukabee has been out of contention for a few months so where is the current connection with Copeland? You ignored Hinn, Meyer, the Whites, Long and Creflo as part of your allegation. Where is the documentation that supports your claim that these 6 ministries are knee deep in Repub politics?
    Then we can compare the current process from a Christian worldview perspective and a humanist worldview perspective.

  • JHS »
    Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:06 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    reply to hawk;

    Congress motivation is the abuse of the tax exempt status, I have talked to Grassleys office several times. They have had numerous complaints about what has been going on in these ministries. The IRS only knows what the ministries give them. The reason why Copeland is fighting this is because if they can prove through this ivestigation what they already know, he's toast and he knows it. Copeland has become a multimillionaire though his ministry by diverting money to his for profit business interest. Now they are trying to find the paper trail and he's fighting it.

  • Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:40 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Assemblies of God International Fellowship is not the assemblies of god in Springfield, MO it is small independent denomination according to their website "Our distinct and united testimony as a recognizable fellowship dates back to a regional gathering of Full Gospel ministers held in St. Paul, Minnesota in 1922. that meeting resulted in a unanimous desire and decision to be recognized as a fellowship of independent churches. Co-existent with our group were the Scandinavian Independent Assemblies, an incorporated unit. Their cooperative effort dated back to the early outpourings of the Holy Spirit particularly in the Mid-western part of the U.S." the author is deceptive in implying that ag is supporting the televangelists

  • Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:24 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Telles,
    Thank you for that information. I am not a constitutionalist, but I do wonder if Grassley may not be treading on the first amendment by impeding the freedom of religion. Normally, a request is made to the IRS to audit these ministries for any improprieties such as recently occurred to ministries such as Focus on the Family, etc upon complaints by Barry Lynn.
    It is my observation that a Congressional review of this nature could very well lead to additional control and regulation. Assemblies of God International Fellowship make a very valid case in their support of protecting these 6 ministries.

  • Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:07 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    JHS
    Before we can really continue with your contentions we must first establish the basis of your allegation about party affiliation and support. Where is the evidence for your claim that these 6 are part of the vast right wing conspiracy?
    Hukabee has been out of contention for a few months so where is the current connection with Copeland? You ignored Hinn, Meyer, the Whites, Long and Creflo as part of your allegation. Where is the documentation that supports your claim that these 6 are knee deep in Repub politics?
    It's OK to admit that you may have been wrong linking these 6 to party politics. At least that will allow us to then determine what other motives Congress may have in opening this can of worms.

  • Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I would like to remind everyone that Kenneth Copeland has done nothing illegal. In fact, just by going to the IRS to request an audit indicates that he has nothing to hide from a legal investigation. He’s only trying to protect his privacy rights.

    Also, Grassley is within his rights to review the laws concerning tax exempt status. But he does not have the right to do so in a way that violates another’s rights. If he has to have the Copeland’s financial statements in order to make his legislative review, then he should get it from the IRS. He can have from them within 60 days, so I don’t see why he doesn’t pursue that avenue…if his motives are pure.

  • JHS »
    Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    HAWK49 :

    You made a comment about the executive branch being responsible for investigating these evangelist, when you have a republican president and these guys are knee deep in republican poitics you can bet Bush et al will not go after some of his biggest supporters.

  • Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:14 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    believer,
    thanks.

    JHS; Wow, what an imagination.
    Hagee??? I didn't read where he was asked to give over his financial records to Congress.
    Hukabee has been out of contention for a few months so where is the current connection with Copeland? You ignored Hinn, Meyer, the Whites, Long and Creflo as part of your allegation. Where are they as supporters for this vast right wing conspiracy of televangelists?
    Isn't Grassley a Repub? Last I checked he was; this doesn't fit into your truth-claim.
    This appears to me that you just have a personal vendetta against televangelists in general. Let's just disregard the rule-of- law and go get them no matter the costs. To tell you the truth I can not stomach watching them but I will not cheer Congress for overstepping its bounds and harassing them, either. I just don't turn the TV on to these folks.

  • mike »
    Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:29 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    christ rebuked the pharisee (chief priest/pastors) & told them in their faces that they are lovers of money & peddling the gospel for profit!!!

    charities are not only hurt by rising fuel cost but also pastors / televangelist who justify their sin of greed & love of money!!! @#$!#@*$%

  • mike »
    Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:15 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    SIN IS A SIN! STOP JUSTIFYING IT BY SAYING gov't should not investigate bec gov't "seems to be crossing a legal boundary." you televangelist & pastors use the bible at your convenience. practice what you preach about 'self-denial' contentment. what you are practicing is greed & arrogance-just bec. you are pastors or televangelist you think you can do no wrong!. the only thing I can say is you televangelist are bunch of hypocrites. christianity is nothing but a business to make profit.

  • JHS »
    Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    REPLY TO HAWK49:

    "have heard about the financial abuses of the Hinn ministry but not the others. However, per the Constitution, it is up to the executive branch (including IRS) to enforce the laws and investigate"


    YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING! Kenneth Copeland openly supported Huckabee and to boot Hagee and the rest are knee deep in Republican politics. As far as the excutive branch that's a joke...Bush is neck deep with this crowd, after what big oil and corporations have done to the middle class and poor in this country, you think he and the Cheny machine are going to stop the gold mine that they have created through their policies that have created the mess were are in?! Honestly, you have Bush policies creating the worse economic conditions since the Great Depression, and the joker multimillionare teleevangelist crowd telling people they need to dump what little money they have left in to their ministries, prefably on their credit card, and that shows that they have faith, and then God will bless them, frankly it ought to be criminal, but Bush going after them you have got to be kidding.

  • Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    hawk, excellent point on who in the government should be carrying out these inquiries.

  • Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    JHS
    I have heard about the financial abuses of the Hinn ministry but not the others. However, per the Constitution, it is up to the executive branch (including IRS) to enforce the laws and investigate, not Congress, and the judiciary to prosecute should there be compelling evidence found.
    BTW: I have not heard about any of these ministries being associated with the vast right wing conspiracy.....where have you found this information to support your allegation?

  • JHS »
    Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    REPLY TO HAWK49:

    Spoken like a true right winger, anythings goes as long as they can get away with and it's free enterprise. Since however congress makes the laws, then they have the right see if they are abusing their tax exempt status, and I have no doubt from what I have seen Copeland is one of the worse. Diverting ministry money into his personal business interest, if thats not abuse, then I would like to know what is. But since we all Copeland is a right wing republican, all the bible thumping nut jobs will defend him.

  • Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:25 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    JHS
    You don't have to be a humanist to hold some or most humanist worldview values. There are many syncretized Christians living by compromising Biblical values with the values of the world.
    I do not endorse these particular ministries but I do stand up to the abuses of Congress. Understand that all ministers and pastors are obligated to pay income taxes on their personal income; so if they are multi-millionaires then they at least paid income tax on that income. They all have the option of participating in the social insecurity and mediscare programs. If there was cheating involved then that is the job of the IRS to resolve, not Congress.

  • JHS »
    Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:41 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    To Hawk, I am not a humanist, I am a Christian, however the large tax exempt mega ministries have become BIG BUSINESS, and most of these guys a multi millionaires, all this on the backs of tax payers, who are defacto subsidizing these ministries.

  • Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    JHS;
    from a humanist worldview perspective you are correct that the government is the ultimate authority.

  • JHS »
    Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:32 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    All you supporters of these mega ministries are missing the point, as long as they are tax exempt, the government has the full right to invistigate, if these ministries want to run a business, then give up the tax exemption and pay taxes, then they can do what they want. Frankly they should tax these televangelist , all of them.

  • Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:29 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    swordbearer;
    are we not warned to discern (judge)false prophets and teachers?
    1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will bring swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their unrestrained ways, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 In their greed they will exploit you with deceptive words.
    2 Peter 2:1-3 (HCSB)
    “If anyone tells you then, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Over here!’ do not believe it! 24 False messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 Take note: I have told you in advance. 26 So if they tell you, ‘Look, he’s in the wilderness!’ don’t go out; ‘Look, he’s in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever the carcass is, there the vultures will gather.
    Matt 24:23-28 (HCSB)

  • Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:27 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    phredone GREAT comment and I agree with 110%! I am not a follower of Copeland's but like you say, I completely support him in this. Grassley is totally out of line here, and I just still am amazed by his request for such information. When you read the info he wants, it just leaves me wondering what he planned to do with it. Other freedoms could be affected down the road if this is not stopped. No ONE senator should be given that kind of authority.

  • JHS »
    Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:23 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    The government has the full right to investigate tax exempt ministries, if they do not want to be investigated then they need to give up their tax exempt status. Plain and simple.

  • Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:17 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    If Mr.Copeland is in sin, let God be the judge. Very easily we can fall into sin ourselves for making commets like the ones on this post. Even Kind David dared not touch the Lord's anointed Kind Saul even though Saul was in sin and was trying to kill David...Don't read the bible like it's only stories, we must apply it to our lives. The Bible says a laborer is worth his wages. If I God gives me a ministry and I dedicate my life to it and God prospers it, I too will enjoy the financial rewards as well as the spiritual ones. We must not judge others because they are prosperous. We become like crabs in a barrel trying to pull down the crab that is on top. Let's becareful God will expose the sin not us.

    with love and correction,

    The Swordbearer

    swordbearer4@gmail.com

    visit answers2why.blog.com
    Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. Romans 14:4

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  • Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:09 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    phredone
    Well said. I agree, the government is overstepping its bounds into the sovereign territory of the Church. Congress has no biblical nor constitutional authority to overstep its bounds into the business of the church. If these guys committed a crime then law enforcement and the courts get involved, not congress. The Church has the responsibility of cleaning its own house(theologically and ethically). Unfortunately, this opens the door for Congressmen to make other inquiries on other church issues (such as teachings) to satisfy a politicians appetite and ambition. Build the publics wrath against a few and the whole Church will end up suffering.

  • JHS »
    Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:51 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    All this investigation shows is that religious right evangelical ministries have become big business, everyone has the freedom of religion, but not the right to tax exemption.

  • JHS »
    Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:22 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    This investigation is long over due, Copeland et al have been funneling money from their tax exempt ministires to personal business interest for year. And since Copeland has become a very rich man, he did not do because of his great business acumen!!!!!! This is what the senate is investigating

  • Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:02 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I am surprised that the Assemblies of God would give tacit approval to the ministry of Kenneth Copeland. Would it be tolerated if a local AoG pastor preached that Jesus died spiritually and was the first to be born-again; that every Christian is a "little god"; and
    God called him, Kenneth Copeland, to minister to a congregation "outside of his body"? A little research via the Internet will confirm this and more. At the same time, the recent statement by the General Superintendent of the AoG seems to voice caution concerning the Lakeland revival, born at an AoG church.
    It doesn't look very consistent.

  • Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:02 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Well said Believer, I agree with you entirely. The only thing I would add is paragraphs. ;)

  • Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:14 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Granted the issue has nothing to do with doctrine, it is about accountability and to what extent does the government have the right to hold non-profit organizations to include churches accountable with regards to the way they handle their responsibilities. To me personally if it appears there are legitimate concerns with regards to the proper reporting of finances for tax purposes or with regards to exemptions, I have no problem with the government intervening, but we also need to ensure that the government does not over step the boundaries of the seperation of church and state as they investigate these matters. The scriptures cleary state that we're to submit ourselves to those in authority over us until they in any way ask us to do anything that would compromise or violate the Word of God. At this point unless someone can show something I'm not aware of I don't think personally the government has crossed that line.

  • Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:38 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Seems to me that all the comments so far are not related to the article they are just about doctrine. Look past your differences with Copeland to the root of the situation. The government is trying to get more control over the Christian Church. It is OK to disagree with what Copeland teaches but when an outside group i.e. the government comes against the Church we must stand together for all Christians or risk more of our freedoms because we are more concerned about someone's doctrine than uniting agaisnt a common threat.

  • Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:20 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I don't see why someone who's trying to draw people to the Lord (like we are) would refuse to acknowledge how much money they're making per year. I say cooperate and let's get back to putting the focus on the saving power of Jesus, Kenneth.

  • ML »
    Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:15 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Those guys need to get back to a more simplified life, and help the poor. They need to live a bit more modestly, and then the government would not be so suspicious. But the government should not get too nosey, either.

  • Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    "Satan conquered Jesus on the Cross” (his emphasis); Christ in hell is an “emaciated, poured out, little, wormy spirit." - Kenneth Copeland. Read more heresies in "Hall of Heretic Hucksters"
    http://www.twoagespilgrims.com/doctrine/?p=3

  • Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:00 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. For it is God's will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men.
    (1Pe 2:13-15 NIV)

  • Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Benny Hinn has not submitted replies to every question but has answered only some of the questions. The last news report submitted by him did not say exactly how many of the questions have been answered but you can be sure if he had answered all of them he would have made a very big deal out of it!

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