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Society|Mon, Jul. 07 2008 12:06 PM EDT

Conservatives Give Obama Thumbs Up for Faith-Based Plan

By Jennifer Riley|Christian Post Reporter

Barack Obama’s announcement of plans to not only maintain but to expand President Bush’s beloved faith-based programs apparently softened conservatives and Christian voters who had feared the initiative would be dismantled if a liberal Democrat were to take over the White House.

The federal program that seeks to make it easier for faith-based organizations to get federal funding for social activities was not enough to “win over the evangelicals,” but it would “diminish some of the hostility” towards Obama by social conservatives who strongly oppose his positions on abortion and gay “marriage,” said conservative commentator Patrick Buchanan on MSNBC last week.

“It looks like he’s reaching out to them … It’s a win for him,” said the same Buchanan who had defended Dr. James Dobson’s criticism of Obama “distorting” the Bible to support his “own worldview” and “confused theology.”

Meanwhile, well-connected Christian Broadcasting Network correspondent David Brody informed CNN viewers and readers that reaction to Obama’s speech from the Christian community he covers was “relatively positive.”

Brody added that Obama “has seemed to be one step ahead when it comes to this faith-and-politics intersection.”

Recently, Obama met with dozens of prominent Christian leaders, including Franklin Graham, and also launched the Joshua Generation Project to reach out to young people of faith.

But presumptive Republican nominee John McCain also scored big last week with religious voters when some 100 conservative Christian leaders “agreed to unite behind” McCain’s candidacy.

Among those who attended the Denver gathering was Phil Burress of the Ohio Christian Alliance, according to Time magazine. Burress had earlier said of McCain, “We don’t like him and he doesn’t like us,” according to the Los Angeles Times. But he had a change of heart after meeting privately with McCain along with several pro-life leaders late June.

However, Burress and other evangelical leaders have urged McCain to pick a social-conservative running mate and to talk more openly about value voter issues, such as abortion and gay “marriage.”

“We need something from Senator McCain to help rev up our people,” Burress said, according to the Dallas Morning News. “Our people are flat. They don’t seem interested.”

McCain has been hesitant to talk too strongly on values voters’ issues for fear of offending independent voters, which he is counting on to win the election.

Rick Scarborough, an ordained pastor who founded the conservative group Vision America, said he is motivated to help McCain get into the White House not because of McCain, but because of Obama.

“I am now committed to doing everything I can within my power to get John McCain elected,” Scarborough said, according to the Dallas Morning News, “because I am 100 percent committed to seeing that Barack Obama is not elected.”

A CNN poll conducted by Opinion Research Corporation in June found nearly two-thirds of white evangelical voters surveyed (64 percent) supported McCain, and 30 percent backed Obama.

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  • Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Do not be fooled. Barrock Obama does not want faith based programs with the message of the gospel. Obama indicated this at his Messiah College event in a response with The Southern baptist President. I heard and saw him state this. Obama is very clever. But the one thing that really is a concerned to me about Obama is his history of support both as a Illinois State Senator and U.S. Senator for partial birth abortion: www.abortionno.com. Now this website is very graphic. I warn you ahead of time, but it is what our country will be doing if Obama is President. Is it right for me to say Obama is not a Christian? I am not sure. I hope he is and I yield to Jesus for that decision. This man called Obama must not be elected under any circumstances. I tried privately to contact Senator Obama because I was concerned for him as well as the unborned. I wish not to condemn anyone. Please Senator Obama. Reconsider the terrible outcome if you continue to support all abortions.

  • Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    stanjz,

    Christ used the Old Testament as Scripture:
    John 10:34-36
    34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? 35 If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came - and the Scripture cannot be broke - 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?

    Christ spoke about not being sexually immoral (Matthew 15:18-20, Mark 7:20-23). Sexual immorality is defined in the Old Testament; it includes homosexuality, beastiality, incest, fornication, adultery, rape. The Law was intended to show us our need for Christ, and Christ paid the price for all sins of all who believe who obey Him (Heb 5:9).

    God calls homosexual desire and sex to be shameful, sinful, depraved, and unnatural, sexual immorality, degrading, indecent and perversion.
    God called homosexual desire, and homosexual sex, degrading, shameful, sinful, depraved, unnatural, sexual immorality, degrading, indecent and perversion, and something that ought not to be done (Rom 1).

    God said the sexually immoral would go to the fiery lake, the second death (Rev 21:7-8).

    Homosexuality, adultery, fornication, divorce, incest, and abortion are all sins. I think sexual abuse fall under homosexuality, adultery, fornication and incest (depending on the people involved). All sin is equally bad in God's eyes. What can we do to stop them? Pray, and be as vocal as we can be in loving ways about the sin, while showing love to the people who do these things.

  • mike »
    Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    'PRAISE THE LORD'
    MORE $$$$; money; cha-ching;
    pastors / televangelist will never worry! because they do not need to work! I bet Pat robertson will endorse obama for the faith based initiative!!
    how does that song go again? money money money moneeey!!

  • Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    outsail-

    We care!

    Just because you and your gay friends want to name-call people, doesn't mean we're aren't going to stand up to stop the gay machine of destruction. Bozo!

  • Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:17 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Who really cares what homobigot Rick Scarborough thinks. His Gospel of Hate is unchristian and extremist.

  • Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:01 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    stanjz

    Jesus never mentioned the term "homosexuality", but he did refer to the judgement of Sodom 5 times in the gospel. A reading of Sodom will quickly & without doubt show the reader that homosexuality was rampant in the city at that time. This does not indicate we are not to love them, but must acknowledge it as sin and minister accordingly

  • artm »
    Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:50 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I am always amazed by those who claim to have studied the Word of God for so many years and yet do not have a basic knowledge of that Word.

    To say that homosexuality is not sin because Christ did not speak directly against reveals a lack of knowledge of God's Word.

    2-Timothy 3:16 declares, " All Scripture is given by Inspiration of God."

    All, Means All. Jesus didn't have to speak directly against homosexuality, The Scripture, which is given by the Inspiration of Almighty God did and does.

    So then, homosexuality is sin. Love the sinner, But we must hate the sin. Because one hates sin, does not mean he hates the sinner.

    God himself hates sin, But would anyone say he also hates the sinner.? I think not.

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:40 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    While telling the world he will up hold the faith-based
    initiative as the cornerstone of his administration,
    Obama says that a cornerstone of society - heterosexual
    marriage -- is "divisive and discriminatory." Doesn't
    this mean that faith-based organizations that support
    marriage will be disqualified from federal funding under
    an Obama presidency? It would be next to impossible for
    ministries that promote traditional marriage to
    participate in a Healthy Marriage project funded through
    an Obama faith-based initiative. There is no doubt that
    Sen. Obama is polished on the issue of faith, but it's
    his record--not his rhetoric--that speaks louder. Gaps
    like this leave Senator McCain with a huge opening: as
    with his letter last week supporting the marriage
    amendment in California, McCain can send message after
    message that his definition of faith is traditional and
    strong, not the High Church of Secular Liberalism that
    believes in a "faith-based" way to destroy marriage and
    family.--FRC Action

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    stanjz
    a christian should stand firm on God's word you do not just say oh well it doesn't suit me politically. I love you as an individual, but some of your thinking that certain things can be overlooked is wrong. I know a few wealthy people in my Church that you would never think they are.They take it seriously that God helpped them financially so that they can help others. The give more away to our church missions, and other organizations that help out the community than I can make in three years.The saying goes judge each individual not the group.

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Stanjz,
    read1 cor 6:9-10, the Bible sex is for married couples and no where in the bible does it say husband and husband, or wife and wife when talked about it always says man and wife

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    stanz-

    Hey friend - You can't have it both ways. The Lord want you either hot or cold, but this lukewarm stuff will get you spit out of His mouth. Pick your side, dog , and get your hiney in gear.

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:21 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I've known a few gay people and the few I've known have shown more of the humility, love and meekness of Christ than many so called Christians. Christ said “for I came not to call the righteous, but sinner." Matt 9:13 Being gay may or may not be a sin, but I find it very telling that it's not part of the Ten Commandments and not one quote from Christ in the Gospels. There are millions of adulterers out there destroying families, how about you spend equal time going after them? After all, adultery is part of the Ten Commandments and is discussed in teachings by Christ. I'm with you on abortion, but Barack does want to work to make it a thing of the past. He is for teaching abstinence along with contraception if a person cannot control her/him self. I think Barack feels that women have been treated as second class citizens by society for much of our history and he doesn't want to take away any of their rights. But I do think abortion is a mistake/sin

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Faith in what?

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    stanjz,
    Ihope you are not saying the pro-gay, pro-abortion,any ole religion will do democrats does represent Christ

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    I've studies my Bible everyday for twelve years and very often for eight years before that. I know Christ, Christ is a friend of mine; current Republican ideology doesn't represent Christ.

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Of course, it may be our guest speaker, Obama himself. I'm sure this is something he'd say under a screen name.

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Oh my, that's one demon-possessed translator you've got there Argus.

    Argus360- change the battery on your translator or something or cast that demon out.

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I, suppose, as long as he's not voting for Obamanation, then he's OK.

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The poor guy - can you imagine what I said "what the snot did you say" going through that translator. Oh, Lord - Please Holy Spirit - intercede for your lame servant- rolln!

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    argus,
    Ihope the translater is what made it ound like you said Jesus birth was not the on immaculate concepted birth

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Oh, Lord. I hope he's not using Mac OSX translator matrix thingy - it's attrocious for this kind of work.

    Come on argus - we're cheering you on - go translator, GO! Go translator, GO!

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    friendly fire

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Thanks DP -

    You're right. I feel bad for making fun. I sorry argus, please come back

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I think it is a little presumptious for people to try and put all conservatives in a box. I don't want to be in a box. I have the help of the Lord,not public or conservative opinions to help me decide on my candidate.
    I think we need to read in back of the lines with ALL
    candidates. I don't like being lumped into a mold with other conservatives. I want to think in my own conservative style.

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Is it just me or has obama been "change"ing his opinions towards a more conservative or moderate slant as of late."

    From what I have seen, given enought time, he will be on all sides of all issues. He's saying what he 'needs to' to get the sucker vote.

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    rollin4him---from what I read my guess is argus360 is going though a translation matrix. The words are there but not always in the right order. We'll have to wait and see what he/she says....

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    argus-

    I love you brother, but would you please answer this one question:

    I, Argus, am:

    1. from another country
    2. under 10 years old
    3. from another planet
    4. still learning English

    You are right though, we don't do the conversion, only Christ does that - we're merely His servants and messengers.

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:29 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Is it just me or has obama been "change"ing his opinions towards a more conservative or moderate slant as of late.

    Now obviously virtually everyone in politics does this, they shift center to gain votes from the other side. However, Obama has also been flip-flopping on some statements (ex: he will not accept public funds-said he would before, is now wearing a flag pin- said it was unneccessary before).

    If Obama isn't careful the "change" term so heavily associated with his campaign will be used against him.

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    icon99 ask yourself what would Jesus do? The purpose of the church is to serve man, not conversion, just as the son of man, Jesus, did, for he was the man, the relationship, the Christ was the power. Indeed Jesus cast a large net even knowing then that Peter would deny him that Judas would betray him, one overestimating his faith the other underestimating his reckless zeal, yet seeing this all Jesus saw beyond today into what they became even unto their becoming

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    To rollin4him, thinking before you speak should never be considered a crime, nor disingenuous. I am sure many did not understand the disciples on the day of Pentecost when they were speaking in tongue and unknown languages. Alias, the prince of darkness beckons us all every time we call only upon our own ego for understanding and intervention. I am sure this instrument of communication was not made available for anything but reasonable conversation, but to legislate theology as fact leaves little room for compromise let alone true faith. There are many theological things which will come to light during this debate, once of which is that Mary’s birth of Jesus was not the only biblical recorded Immaculate Conception, furthermore the final interpretation of Israel is not a physical Israel but a spiritual one, that is what Christ's death and resurrection achieved

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Read the fine print. It requires faith-based programs to hire EVERYONE, even if it is in opposition to their faith. Another way Obama wants to bribe Christians to give up following their faith for money.

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    It is my understanding that Obama does not accept the virgin birth of Christ, His deity, salvation in Jesus only, or the Second Coming of Christ. Though he appears as an angle of light, he is anti-Christ as many are, and they don‘t even know it. Furthermore, he is for abortion and gay rights and more troubling he does not have the biblical convections necessary for American to protect the nation of Israel as God wills. Don’t be deceived: Obama may lead our nation and the world into a period of increased peace and safety for a spell, as prophesied in scriptures; however, he will be leading us closer to the seven-year period of tribulation that is to come.

    itsallaboutjesusnotme.blogspot.com

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    argus-

    WHAT THE SNOT DID YOU SAY you babbling buffoon???? Go back to that mirror of yours and when you're ready for a more intelligible delivery, come back. Holy cats, that's just nasty.

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Rollinforhim I'm sure you understood what, I said but for the shake of patience I'll simplify it, the freedom choice is to be defended beyond what might be understood in a single lifetime, even unto chaos not withstanding, alias, that the prince of darkness veils himself in the light of unarguable righteousness is why man was given that right above all other creations, and that is the right to question!!!

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    hey argus -

    Did you practice that litte speech in the mirror, too. Now, would you make sense of what you said. LOL.

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    With all do respect if the conservatives they are talking about includes those mentioned as the Chrisitian leaders he spoke to. Those guys very seldom have a bad word to say about anyone. They live by the adage if you don't have anything good to say about a person then don't say anything at all and that's fine. But we must not confuse their silence or them saying they see good in what Obama said as support for the man.

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Great point, DP

    Who are these "conservatives" the media is talking about. I see CNN mention in this article so maybe it's CNN's brand of "conservatism" - LOL

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    matthew1 came up with "Obamanation" or someone did. Is this fitting or what. He'll do whatever it takes to get in. He's merely a prop - pretty boy prop - but prop nonetheless.

  • Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Once again we see the news saying 'conservatives'...exactly who are these conservatives they've been talking to?

    It's interesting they quote CBN (Pat Robersons group) because they would NEVER go for Obama removing the right to hire only Christians in a Christian organization. The next step after being forced to hire non-Christians would be that employee saying their rights were violated by being forced to hold to Christian values or that people prayed openly in groups around them creating a 'hostile workplace'.

  • crc »
    Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it must be a duck! Obama has never been in favor of mixing religion and politics. I smell a wolf in a sheep skin for sure!

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