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Society|Fri, Jul. 11 2008 11:10 AM EDT

Gays Should Understand the Religious, and Vice Versa

By Michelle A. Vu|Christian Post Reporter

WASHINGTON – The issue of same-sex “marriage” provokes strong emotions and actions on both sides of the debate with little common ground seemingly to be found. But on Thursday the beginning of an unlikely understanding appeared to emerge at a panel discussion that included Christian conservatives and a gay activist.

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    Alliance Defense Fund Chief Counsel Benjamin Bull speaks at the Family Research Council's discussion on the California same-sex ''marriage'' event as FRC president Tony Perkins sits next to him on Thursday, July 10, 2008 in Washington, D.C.

All five panelists at the Family Research Council event, with the exception of the gay activist, were against California's ruling to legalize same-sex “marriage.” At the end of the discussion, no one had changed their position although both sides felt they could better understand the issue from the other’s point of view.

On the traditional marriage side, some panelists listed legal problems, including infringement on religious liberty, which resulted from California’s recent ruling that legalized same-sex “marriage.”

Chief Counsel Benjamin Bull of the Alliance Defense Fund gave examples of California churches that have been sued for refusing to perform same-sex weddings. He also questioned how California’s same-sex “marriage” ruling will affect state clerks that do not want to grant marriage licenses to homosexual couples because of their religious beliefs.

“What is the problem with the California same-sex ‘marriage’ case?” Bull asked. “There are lots of problems with it that are huge and profound.

“One of them is what radical, homosexual-activists will do with the new institution of same-sex ‘marriage’ and use it as a battering ram across America to blast open new areas that ultimately diminish the rights of Christians to express their faith in their lives and how they live.”

Bull, who has defended the religious freedom of many Christians in gay rights cases, contends that in the end a person’s faith will only be a “personalized, individualized” faith and that you can “think about it but you can’t even talk about it” if the homosexual agenda continues to spread.

Yet he softened after hearing Professor Chai R. Feldblum of Georgetown University Law Center speak about the issue from the other perspective. He had expressed eagerness to talk more with the gay activist after hearing her moderate tone.

Feldblum, who described herself as a practicing lesbian, said she is against the gay community’s lack of respect for religious people’s values. As a former Orthodox Jew and daughter of a rabbi, Feldblum said she understands being religious means engaging in certain conducts.

“My sense of being religious completely intertwined with conduct that I did as a religious Jew,” she said. “If someone had told me that I could be a religiously firm Jew but I couldn’t engage in certain conduct or I had to engage in certain conduct – like I had to turn on the light on Shabbos (weekly Sabbath or day of rest in Judaism) – ‘What is the big deal you are just turning on the light on Shabbos?’

“Ok, let me tell you for a firm Jew if you do not turn on the light for Shabbos. That’s a sin,” she said. “Nor do you facilitate someone else who is Jewish to turn on the light. That’s a sin.”

As a result of her own former religious background, Feldblum said she “can’t stand” those in the gay community that say people of faith should “just get over it” when it comes to performing a legal action that goes against their values, such as a county clerk who believes homosexuality is a sin making a marriage license for a gay couple. Continue »

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  • igh »
    Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    James 4:4 "Unfaithful people! Don't you know that to be the world's friend means to be God's enemy? If you want to be the world's friend, you make yourself God's enemy."

    Now here is the site i came across doing research not to long back. Here is the link that some have been asking on the movie being made on the lie of David's and Johnathan's homosexual relationship. You see there are 'church's' that believe such blasphemy that its hard to comprehend, but its all to justify themselves. Read the whole page but start where the link takes you. Its a satanic church. They preach a false Gospel and lead many to damnation. Its my 'Job' if you will my Gift of the Spirit and my Ministry given unto me by God to expose all those who lead others astray, to stand against them, and yes Debate them. And Jesus did 'whoop' on them in yahoo and many other sites!

    http://www.mccchurch.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Resources&Template=/CM/HTMLDisplay.cfm&ContentID=2122#Pt3

    this is the metropolitan 'church'

    1Corinthians 3:16 Surely you know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you!
    1Co 3:17 God will destroy anyone who destroys God's temple. For God's temple is holy, and you yourselves are his temple.
    1Co 3:18 You should not fool yourself. If any of you think that you are wise by this world's standards, you should become a fool, in order to be really wise.
    1Co 3:19 For what this world considers to be wisdom is nonsense in God's sight. As the scripture says, "God traps the wise in their cleverness";
    1Co 3:20 and another scripture says, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are worthless."

  • Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:04 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    ifeelfine,
    I sure wish you'd stop stepping on my first amendment. If I want to say that I think you are not a Christian because of your fruits (or lack thereof) then it is within my right to voice my opinion. And if you don't like my opinion, you have the right to voice yours...or leave.
    As I've said before. This is a message board. What I present here, and how I do it, is nothing like I do in real life. CP is a place for me to speak what is truly on my mind. In real life I am extremely diplomatic with people, but they still know where I stand in my convictions.

  • Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet - in the 'Exodus' thread igh was talking about 'whooping' people with the Bible in arguements on Yahoo. I believe he answered your concern with his fruits.

  • Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet: here we go again. Our hermeneutics are different. Eventually God will tell each of us who is right - until then, keep who you think is or is not a Christian to yourself . . . unless you're commenting on your own spiritual life. As for me, I know where I stand! God bless and have a good weekend.

  • Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Daniel,
    I don't think the Pharisees were as humble as you would believe. The way Jesus talked to, and about, them would lead me to believe they were prideful. He talks about how they love the best seats at the dinner table, and how they stand in public giving loud prayers, and how they put a yoke of bondage upon the people. That doesn't sound too humble to me.

  • Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Daniel Paul,

    I think you are assigning motivation to an action, when you do not know the motivation.

    It is appropriate to quote scripture when it applies to a comment or article, even if you quote a lot of it.

    The thing you seem to be saying is that igh is only doing it to make himself look good. Is that why YOU present whatever point you present? I doubt it. From what I see of igh's posts, it does not appear to me to be his/her motivation either.

    I would prever to see him quote from online site that does not put the chapter:verse infront of each line, and shows the text as a paragraph, as it makes it easier to read that way (like http://www.biblegateway.com). I would prefer him to have some comment and maybe just give the book:chapter:verse as support, with only occasionally quoting the scripture. But I know for a fact that what Scripture says on the matter is MUCH more important than what I have to say on it.

    I don't think you understand the motivation behind igh's posting scripture and so you assume it is done to make him look good. I dont see it that way.

  • Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Matthew 23:5 "But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments"

    phylacteries - small boxes containing Scripture texts worn for religious purposes

  • igh »
    Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    1Co 3:16 Surely you know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you!
    1Co 3:17 God will destroy anyone who destroys God's temple. For God's temple is holy, and you yourselves are his temple.
    1Co 3:18 You should not fool yourself. If any of you think that you are wise by this world's standards, you should become a fool, in order to be really wise.
    1Co 3:19 For what this world considers to be wisdom is nonsense in God's sight. As the scripture says, "God traps the wise in their cleverness";
    1Co 3:20 and another scripture says, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are worthless."

  • Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Milford...from what I know of law and the legal process you are correct. The ruling says same-sex marriage is not illegal. Those who do not understand the legal process do not understand that 'not illegal' does not mean it is legal. As crazy as it sounds that's the way it works. No wonder our courts are so messed up!

  • Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:19 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I ask everyone who reads these posts to keep from perpetuating half-truths. The California Supreme Court's ruling on same sex marriage does NOT equate to "legal" or law. The legislature passes laws as authorized by California's constitution, and until the California legislature passes the law, the same sex marriage is technically not "legal". When we start writing that same sex marriage is legal in CA or MA, we perpetuate an inaccuracy; soon, it is taken for granted and becomes an accepted 'fact' even though it is false.

    If I am incorrect on the legal aspect, let me know.

  • Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:04 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hello my friend,

    I am doing well, thank God. How have you been? Someone has apparently been deleting all of your comments; much prayer. I look forward to receiving your email this week, have a blessed day.

  • Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:24 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hey Online!
    How's it going? I haven't heard from you in a while. Yeah, yeah, I know I haven't emailed you. I'll do that this week. I hope you are doing well.

  • Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:46 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Christians appeal to the Word of God as the standard for their faith and practice; we cannot speak contrary to what God has spoken. Marriage is ONLY between a man and a woman in God’s eyes.

  • Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, yeah, aren't they? I know the author.

  • Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    wbmoore,
    Amen. Nice scripture.

  • Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:17 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Galatians 5:19-6:1
    19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
    1Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted.

  • Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:36 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    1 John 3:8-10
    8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

  • Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:22 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    As I posted earlier...
    Any who willingnly remains in a homosexual lifestyle, or anyone who promotes or supports that or any sinful lifestyle, is not a Christian.

  • Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:06 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Willful practitioners of homosexuality are not Christian. Those who support a sinful lifestyle such as that are not Christians.
    Ifeelfine falls into one of those two catagories.
    I'll leave it at that.

  • Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I came back to flag prophets post where he claimed I was not a Christian as CP asks that libelous posts be flagged but I guess someone else beat me to it. I'm sorry that whoever did it flagged all his posts.

    BTW, prophet, I went back and read the analogy you wrote about embezzlement - clearly my response to you didn't come across as I intended. My response was agreeing with your post and taking it a step further - your follow up comment to that indicated you thought I was being rascally - which I wasn't. I was finding some common ground. Anyway, God bless.

  • Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yes, Prophet and star2 flagged a couple of abusive and offensive posts of ccccccc (who switched to ddddd who switched to eeee). He promised to flag all their posts. Looks like he's making good on the threat.

  • igh »
    Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    *Does his happy dance*

  • igh »
    Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jesus rocks Jesus rocks Jesus rocks!

  • igh »
    Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:48 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    sorry lina but GOD IS SCIENCE!! God created all the particles of matter, put them in place and motion, all the explanations we have of there make-up and properties God has placed there. We in our finite capacity to understand all that is made by God , cant be Prideful enough to boast we are all that because we have some understanding of our world and us? could we be that vain?

    Humble yourself before God lina and let him teach you all kinds of wonderful things!! Many millions have and were never disappointed, and what price peace or hope or Love? Faith does all that and more!! Its all free from the Father ! If you want to excell at whatever you put your hands to Trust in Jesus! And it shall come to pass. Amen.

    Jeremiah 29:11 "For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
    Jeremiah 29:12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.
    Jeremiah 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart."

  • Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:08 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Wow Prophet, what did you say? Apparently you've made someone really mad. To the person that flagged all of his posts: please refer to the rules about flagging. Please explain how every one of Prophet's posts were Abusive, Spam, Offensive, Illegal, Racist or Libellous Posts. Thanx!

  • Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Chalk one up for lina for such a persuasive argument.

  • lina »
    Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:20 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 5

    There's really nothing new to understand here. It's religion vs. science. The former always loses in the end because religion is a lie and science is truth. Period.

  • igh »
    Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Repent baby!

    Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. "

  • igh »
    Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The Holy Spirit cannot inhabit an unrepentive sinner.

    1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
    1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

    Joh 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
    Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
    Joh 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

  • igh »
    Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Psa 34:13 Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile.
    Psa 34:14 Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.
    Psa 34:15 The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry.
    Psa 34:16 The face of the LORD is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.
    Psa 34:17 The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles.
    Psa 34:18 The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
    Psa 34:19 Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.
    Psa 34:20 He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.
    Psa 34:21 Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate.

  • igh »
    Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Has to be a turning toward God and repentive heart, not just abstaining from Sex! Cant be Gay and a Servant of the Lord Jesus!

    Psa 36:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David the servant of the LORD. The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes.
    Psa 36:2 For he flattereth himself in his own eyes, until his iniquity be found to be hateful.
    Psa 36:3 The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise, and to do good.
    Psa 36:4 He deviseth mischief upon his bed; he setteth himself in a way that is not good; he abhorreth not evil.
    Psa 36:5 Thy mercy, O LORD, is in the heavens; and thy faithfulness reacheth unto the clouds.
    Psa 36:6 Thy righteousness is like the great mountains; thy judgments are a great deep: O LORD, thou preservest man and beast.
    Psa 36:7 How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings.
    Psa 36:8 They shall be abundantly satisfied with the fatness of thy house; and thou shalt make them drink of the river of thy pleasures.
    Psa 36:9 For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light.
    Psa 36:10 O continue thy lovingkindness unto them that know thee; and thy righteousness to the upright in heart.
    Psa 36:11 Let not the foot of pride come against me, and let not the hand of the wicked remove me.
    Psa 36:12 There are the workers of iniquity fallen: they are cast down, and shall not be able to rise.

  • igh »
    Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mar 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
    Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.


    have to repent or your not Saved, celebate or not.

  • Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    daniel, as I thought more about your question I also think what complicates this issue even more is the issue of how a person becomes a homosexual. Are they born a homosexual, do they choose to be a homosexual, or are they born with a bent toward homosexuality and as a result of life experiences choose to move toward that lifestyle. If the answer is the latter two then another option is for them to move from being a homosexual to being a heterosexual. That is not to say that would be an easy choice in fact just the opposite but with the help of God it can and does happen.

  • Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jesus talked about the seed that springs up quickly but has no depth of soil.

  • Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:27 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Daniel, the question is can a person be a homosexual and still be a Christian. I believe the answer is yes. Now comes the dilemma what does the homosexual do with the sexual practices of that lifestyle. If he is a Christian he has one of two choices. If he believes the Bible does condemn the sexual practices of homosexuality as sin then he must totally abstain from those practices both physically and mentally. Or if he does not believe the Bible condemns them then he continues to say and believe just that and if the Bible doesn't he does his best to get same-sex marriage/union laws passed so he can have that type of sex and do it in the confines of a legal marriage or union the same way the Bible says heterosexuals are only to have sex in the confines of a legal marriage.

  • Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:24 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Here's one for the think tank to kick around. My basis for saying homosexuality is wrong is simply because God created and uses the model of one man and one woman for life as an example of His relationship with us. He could have created differently but He didn't. It's simply a matter of the way He set it up and said it was suppose to be.

    This is the problem with the pro-gay and Christian arguement. Christians do what the Father says. Sin is sin because God said it is. Truth is a matter of opinion...God's opinion and He has weighed in.

    Just because we find ways that work for us doesn't mean it's the way God wants us to do it.

  • Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:18 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    Looks to be the same tired old story to me. Christians in the USA claiming oppression, when they are prohibited from oppressing others, using the tenants of their Christian faith. Still concerned about would God will do to the USA because of the "sins" of other, without concern what God may do to the USA because of their own sins. Like they believe God will still reward the USA as she still oppresses her own citizens and the citizens of the world for Earthly treasures. Whole they certainly didn't invent it Christians in the USA have taken moral ambiguity to a whole new level. :(

  • Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:12 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Then you will know the truth, and it will set you free!
    Amen!

  • Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "The greatest act of love one human can visit upon another is to tell that person the truth."

    amen!

  • Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    But, then again, that's what the Pharisees said about Jesus.

  • Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet said: "And why do you need a certificate to remain faithful? Is that the only way you can?"

    And why must you always be so antagonistic? Is that what the spirit guides you to do? If so, you are being guided by the wrong spirit.

  • DRJ »
    Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The greatest act of love one human can visit upon another is to tell that person the truth. I'm talking about the truth apart from any social, physical, or emotional stigma that society places ahead of the truth. The truth in this case is simple. It is natural. All of nature conforms to and succedes by this truth. It is God's universal law concerning gender. It is that "God created them male and female". This truth is explained by another Scripture that says, "and God told them to go forth and populate the earth." both of these truths involve procreation. Procreation (I can't believe I'm actually trying to explain this to adults!) occurs between a male and a female according to the Word of God. Sex involving any other combination is against God's law for the race of mankind. The institution of marriage (also God's ordained plan for procreation) is only spoken of in the Scriptures as between a man and a woman. Any other perception of marriage is a perversion of the Word of God. THe only possible escape from adherence to the Word of God is to deny God's Word as authoritative in the affairs of mankind. We must love those who continue in a confused state concerning God's perfect will for men and women as partners in marriage. We must also pray for thoswe who reject God's Word concerning homosexuality.

  • Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The thing is, even if there IS hate present among homosexuals (and I think there is as much fear and anger and hate among some of them as there is among some of the people who call themselves believers), its a follow on emotion. It is not there with everyone or possibly even most - on both sides.

    I say hate is a follow on emotion to say that it follows another emotional need that has not been met. The cycles generally goes "hurt, fear, anger, hate". I have never known someone stuck in one that had not gone through the previous ones.

    They come to CP to witness to us, because they think if we knew them we would not say what they do is sinful. For some people, who do not rely upon God's word to decide what is right and wrong, they probably have a point. If the way people feel or think about homosexuals is because of a fear of what is different, then certainly exposure to "normal" homosexuals would reduce that fear which would make it more likely for them be accepted and not thought of as wrong or sinful.

    They want to be embraced, not simply tolerated.

    Everyone needs God. It is only through Christ they can come to know Him and be reconciled to Him. We, as sinners, know this. They, as unrepentant sinners, may or may not know this. If they know it, then there is uncertainty or fear or denial. Eventually, that may turn to hurt or anger towards God and His representatives.

    The thing is, for people who love God and follow His word, even when we know and like the sinner, it simply makes us want to witness and share our love for God and God's love for us even more. We love these people and want them to avoid the pain and suffering of being out of God's will will bring.

    So their only hope for being embraced is to try to get us to not agree with the Bible, or to get the appearance of being embraced through law until we can be quieted fully (which will come in time as the persecution grows).

  • igh »
    Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Minneapolitian , being gay isnt in the image of the Living God. It has nothing to do with him but it has everything to do why he destroyed sodom an gomorrah and the cities of that valley. The way you think and the way God thinks are as far apart as the east from the west. They way you do things and the way God does things is as far apart as the east is from the West. Its all True, you must repent and turn from all sin unto Righteousness in Christ. You must submit your will unto his. You must allow God to remake your mind and Heart into the exact image of Christs. You will be cast out, and you do know whether you are in rebellion or not. Everyone knows. God is patient but has appointed a time of Judgement. I know the majority of the world hates the usa and will devour it hungrily, and we will be delivered up to our enemies if we do not repent and turn to Jesus. God has done this before. Many times the sons of Abraham were delivered to its enemies for rebellion and this rebellion included such horrible acts that one cant see a society holding dearly to them as normal, but they did. And the usa is beginning to turn to accepting perversion in all its sick forms as normal. The end is near and there in no where to hide from God's wrath. All True.

  • Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    minni,
    Good. I'm glad you don't claim to be a Christian. You can live whatever lifestyle you want. You'll answer for it eventually though. But you already know that. I'm just glad you don't use God as a reason to justify your sin.

  • Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "minni, Do you consider yourself religious?"
    Can't say I do any more Prohphet, although as I child I would have considered myself religious as I was following what my parents taught me.

    "I must ask...Minnesota?"
    Hi Daniel Paul, yup and yay Minnesota. I was born and raised in the New York metropolitan area, but I moved to Minneapolis 14 years ago and absolutely love living here. What a nice place this is, I can't imagine living anywhere else now. We have a house in South Minneapolis.

    Igh, please don't be so angry at us, we're just like everyone else and we're really not worth getting so angry over. You know gay.com by the way? Gay.com has a lot of things, some of it is pretty silly actually, but actual "hatred" on gay.com?

  • Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:05 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    daniel, but considering the fact that God's Word clearly teaches that only volunteers will go to heaven why would God be anything but a Volunteer Fan!!!!

  • igh »
    Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    from article:
    "But on the other hand, she said homosexuals feel humiliated and hurt when a county clerk or a facility refuses to serve them because they are gay.
    Can you imagine if you are a black person and it is like, “Ok, well no, I don’t serve black people but this person will,” Feldblum said."
    Being black is normal and blacks are made in the image of the Living and Eternal Saviour, Our Lord God. Being gay or lesbian or transexual or questioning or curious or transvestite or bi-sexual or she-males or metrosexuals or all the rest is sick and rebellion towards God. I am tired of gays tying civil rights to themselves. Game players and selfish and hedonistic God haters. I know i will make many upset, but i have many years witnessing, and the hatred they speak in private is something you dont hear them say in public. go to gay.com or any gay website. see for yourselves.

  • Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Actually, it's Robertson McQuilkin. His dad was Robert C. McQuilkin who founded the college. http://www.ciu.edu/about/history.html

    I knew both he and his wife for many years. My dad was Dean when Robertson was President. His wife did a much loved program on the radio station. It was difficult to watch us loose her. He has written several books which may still be available through the CIU Bookstore.

    ...and no...I eat chicken.... :-) I'm a Golden Gopher football fan. They are the best named team in the college league. Most times they set foot on the field they get run in the ground. (Besides, I was born and raised in MN.)

  • Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Minneapolitian- I will look for the link to the study. I heard it on the radio the other day.

    I must ask...Minnesota? I was originally from their. My dad worked for what is now Crown College some 30 years ago.

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