The “Focus on the Family” radio program, founded by prominent conservative Dr. James Dobson, will be inducted into the National Radio Hall of Fame despite efforts by homosexual activists to keep it out.
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Heard on more than 1,000 stations across the United States by millions of listeners weekly, the 30-minute program is one of the largest and most respected resources for practical, emotional and spiritual support for families in the world.
Its election into the Hall of Fame is the result of online balloting that began in May and ran through July 15 following its nomination earlier this year. The program won in the “national active” category, which includes “active broadcasters who have made at least 10 years of significant contributions to the industry on a national level.”
At a staff assembly Friday morning, Dobson said he was “especially pleased” by the news of the program’s election to the Hall of Fame “because the wonderful people at Focus on the Family deserve it.”
“Our radio program has not been a solo effort,” he said, according to a released statement. “It has been a symphony performed by more than 10,000 people over the past 32 years. I am indebted to them all.”
Jim Daly, president and CEO of the Focus on the Family ministry, added: “To have Focus on the Family honored in this manner means we've made a difference in families all over the world.
“That Dr. Dobson’s listeners recognized the excellence and relevance of the content of the daily broadcast and voted to give him a much-deserved win shows Dr. Dobson’s influence is as strong as ever in the hearts of his fans, as well as in the culture,” he stated.
Not all, however, were pleased by the announcement last week by the National Radio Hall of Fame & Museum Steering Committee, whose principal responsibility is to nominate individuals worthy of the honor for induction.
“It is an affront for the Radio Hall of Fame to honor James Dobson, a right wing demagogue, who built his radio empire on the backs of gay and lesbian people,” stated Wayne Besen, executive director of the group Truth Wins Out (TWO), the gay community’s response to Dobson’s Love Won Out ministry.
“We vow to stand up and protest this outrageous insult and let the world know that Dobson is a dishonest, hatemongering ideologue,” he added in his released statement.
The Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) also decried the announcement, claiming that Dobson “has used his expansive, well funded media platform to perpetuate false and misleading information which contribute to putting gay and lesbian families in harms way.”
“GLAAD urges the media to scrutinize and shed light on Dobson’s record of inaccurate claims about lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people and include an in-depth analysis of his distorted and defamatory statements,” the group expressed in a released statement Friday.
Although Focus on the Family is dedicated to serving, strengthening and defending families worldwide, the Christian nonprofit organization has often received criticism from the homosexual community over its biblical view of marriage, which it holds as between one man and one woman, and over its Love Won Out ministry, which sets out to offer hope to those who struggle with unwanted same-sex attractions.
While many within the pro-gay community claim homosexuality is inherent, most within the conservative community believe it is a personal choice – as evidenced through the significant number of individuals who have left their past homosexual lifestyles and adopted heterosexual ones. Continue >>
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What can I say about those who voted in Dobson? They are extremely intelligent and have a great sense of morals.
daniel, that'll preach brother!!!
"apparently have absolutely no capacity to integrate their social lives with their spiritual?"
Now that's an example of the greatest point possible. The basis of the Christian faith is an exchange...our sinful lives for the life Christ has for us. It becomes the basis of our physical and social life...not just the spiritual. People who view their spiritual life as just one part of their lives do not understand the Gospel. Being Christian is having Christ at the heart. It is the processor which controls our social lives and all other aspects of our lives. It is the operating system by which all components run.
Ignorance is poison. You seem to have enough to share there daverly....
daverly, could it be that mike2685 is still searching for answers to this very important issue in his life. And could you elaborate with what you mean by poisonous people?
oh yeah daverly - more than likely you haven't read through ALL the interactions that have taken place on this article. There have been tough talk as well as some lightheartedness. So rather then pulling the ignorant plug, get informed.
DP -
Thanks for the 6 thingy. Gotta love it!!
Daverly-
Unless you're going to provide some examples of our disaffectedness, get lost. Oh, you probably are lost... well, then... GET SAVED!
Mike's been hanging tough I have to admit, but he's also got a sense of humor unlike a lot of you looney left lunatics.
Mike - I can appreciate how steadfast and patient you've been with the others on this site, (especially rolln4him), but I think you should question your own motives for doing so. What is the gain in engaging in a dialog with such people who are obviously so disaffected, angry, and apparently have absolutely no capacity to integrate their social lives with their spiritual?
You've obviously been able to do so. Why bother with such poisonous people?
"I've been married for several years and my wife is just now starting to realize that I'm actually OK!"
LOL. There's an old example in premaritial counseling. At every wedding there are 6 people getting married!
1. The person you think you are
2. The person they think you are
3. The person you actuallly are
4. The person they think they are
5. The person you think they are
6. The person they actually are
Guess how many are left after a few years! It's amazing how 1,2,4 and 5 disappear! No matter what your goal is in marriage...make sure you understand 1,2,4 and 5 won't be there for the whole trip. Eventually, you'll be left with who the two of you actually are. It's one of those "where ever you go...there you are" sort of things.
Mike-
Now hold your fudge brownies mister. Did I say anything about fights?
I said knowing someone 6 months isn't sufficient time to get to know someone from squat. This is the case for any relationship, not just yours.
I've been married for several years and my wife is just now starting to realize that I'm actually OK! Seriously, there are incalculable factors that go into a relationship: Family members, religion, pasts from both sides and on and on. 6 months is simply very surface. I mean verryyyy surface.
The unfortunate part about some relationships is that they're doing it to prove a point, which I have sense is what's going on with gay marriage. They're out to prove something. Is this your case? I don't know, but time may or may not tell.
As with your partner leaving the church because of the "know it alls" is unfortunate.
"has been completely turned off to church thanks to know it all christians."
I know what you mean. This isn't just an issue with your friend or just with homosexuals. In any love relationship you want to do what is best for your partner. In my case, Jesus takes first priority. What he says is to take place over what I want or what my wife wants. In fact, we conform what we want to what He wants.
What He wants is written in the Bible. It's clear. It doesn't matter if the relationship is gay or straight. When one or both people what Jesus wants in second place to either of the other...disaster happens. Maybe not now. Maybe not on this side of judgement. Still, the Bible says that's the way it is.
So, Mike...here's the tough question. If Jesus himself appeared to you in a vision and told you to stop being a homosexual and leave your relationship...would you?
Rolln, you don't know our relationship for diddle, so I'd appreciate you not telling me if there will or will not be fights, our communication is actually quite excellent. He believes in God, but has been completely turned off to church thanks to know it all christians.
I also knew a woman who fell in love with a man who was not a Christian, even though he attended church. She broke it off with him. there are things the Bible is clear about, even if we do not like it or understand why.
Love is one of those things. We should not be yoked with unbelievers, and we should not seek our own, and we should not sin just because we are in love.
Just because you love someone does not mean you should pursue it.
Mike,
For all we know, the wife would have been pleased to share her husband or to let him go without being hurt. The point is that there are appropriate times/situations to pursue love and appropriate times/situations not to.
Just because you love someone does not mean you should pursue it.
If God said to avoid certain sexual activities (and He did) and you engage in them, then you are doing something harmful to you and the person you claim to love. Double sins - going against what God said, and causing someone else to do so.
Hey Mike-
There is something wrong with you having the kind of relationship with your partner, you're just not willing to hear the vast majority of us Christians telling you that it's not right.
You've only been with him 6 months according to a previous posts and that's hardly long enough to know diddle. If in fact you're seeking God's will through this; trust me there will be clashing of serious proportions in this relationship. By the way, what's your partner's belief in relation to God?
Side note: Those brownies had better not be gone! 400 killories a serving!!!!
OK, but your friend going after a married man may have been in live, however it would have ended up in someone being hurt, so that wasn't love with the best of intentions. I love my partner and there isn't anything wrong with it, it isn't hurting anybody, so its fine and dandy to go ahead and "pursue."
This is a repost that I think applies here:
I knew a woman who loved a man who was married. She stopped the relationship before it got further out of hand.
I know a woman who thought herself lesbian. She no longer believes this and is happily married - she is my wife.
Just because we think something is, does not make it so. Just because something seems like it will never change does not mean it will stay the same. Just because someone loves does not mean it should be pursued.
"A witch wb - seriously - you dabbled with being a witch?"
Yes. I was a follower of Wicca. Three years. I'd rather not go into here, as I dont think this is an appropriate place for it (go to my blog http://wbmoore.wordpress.com and leave me a comment and I'll discuss it there or in email - of course I'll discuss it here in bits and pieces as apprpriate to the situation).
I only mentioned it because the young man in the band is being honest with himself and God has used my spiritual journey to bring me to a saving faith in Christ and to help others and build my understanding of the spiritual world.
wb-
Thanks wb. I suppose I have to make light of my rather intense anger (holy anger hopefully). That's why I have you all to keep me in check. LOL
A witch wb - seriously - you dabbled with being a witch?
rolln4him,
you're so funny! I love the line about not going to McD's.
I also love how you are engaging.
According to the Bible, when homosexuals have sex together, they are harming themselves.
1 Corinthians 6:18-20 (NASB)
Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20 For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.
The word for immorality is transliterated porneia. This is the same word Christ used.
Mt 5:32 but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the cause of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Mt 15:19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders.
Mt 19:9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.
Mk 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries,
It refers to illicit sex - that which is prohibits in the Old Testament.
Definition:
1. illicit sexual intercourse
a. adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
b. sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
c. sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,
2. metaph. the worship of idols
a. of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols
It is specifically NOT adultery, which is transliterated moicao.
Additionally, because homosexual sex is a sin, you are causing your brother to stumble when you participate in it.
1 Cor 10:31-32
31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32 Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God
So, according to the Bible, when a homosexual has sex with another homosexual, he is hurting himself and his partner - even if this is not obvious.
"to adopt a child who needs to get out of the foster care system, is anything but moral."
The right motives in the wrong situation (not in line with what God says) is still wrong. It get's back to what I posted. It's either God's way or it's not. I am not in a position to question why God set things up the way He did. What I do know is that He did set things up as one man and one woman for life.
Bottom line...His bat...His ball or you are not playing His game. Either He's God or He's not.
from the aritcle:
"It is an affront for the Radio Hall of Fame to honor James Dobson, a right wing demagogue, who built his radio empire on the backs of gay and lesbian people,” stated Wayne Besen, executive director of the group Truth Wins Out (TWO), the gay community’s response to Dobson’s Love Won Out ministry.
“We vow to stand up and protest this outrageous insult and let the world know that Dobson is a dishonest, hatemongering ideologue,” he added in his released statement."
If they believe that about Dr. Dobson, a hero of the Faith, then they most certainly believe that of all Servants of Christ Jesus.
yep they will rise up and there allies with the anti-christ leading them and persecute the Faithful unto death. This is Prophecy. gotta happen. Cant be stopped.
o ya most important, that is how they think of Christ Jesus and his Father and the Holy Spirit.
John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Joh 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
Joh 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
Joh 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
Joh 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
Joh 15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
Joh 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
Joh 15:23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
Joh 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
Joh 15:25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Joh 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
Mike
the committed sexual relationship is immoral you your self said the law of the Bible prohibited it.
OK, so Christ stood up for moral law. Certainly, there are many gays who practice immoral things, as there are many straights. I don't see how being in a committed relationship, saving up financially to adopt a child who needs to get out of the foster care system, is anything but moral. That is selflessness, that is love for a child, when you are saving up to support them, yet you don't even know them.
"Answer me this: Can love, in its most perfect form, be a sin?"
no, Mike it can not be for as I pointed out love is an action not a feeling. It is something we do, not what we feel. furhtermore with us being sinful we are not capable to perfect love, only Christ did.
sorry for all the back to back post, but it will not let me post very much at once
" Again, love cannot be a sin"
yes it can I hope you read my post to this earlier when you had questions about it.
"Jesus never talked about homosexuality"
He might not have directly from his mouth, but then again if all things spoken form his mouth was written it would be a very, verry, very, big Bible. His teaching and Truths he Said would be with the apostle , to which Paul himself spoke to homosexuality,. As you pointed out the laws of the Bible did not condone it either. What jesus meant by no longer the laws apply to you, does not mean thAT MORAL Laws no longer are valued to live by(FOR CHRIST STOOD UP FOR MORAL LAW), but that since the laws are to hard for any man to achieve, simply to believe in Christ is suffecient to get you into Heaven. Dieatry guidelines and sacrifice that was to help keep you clean were wiped away because Christ blood now does that for you.
"To me, the concept of gays and lesbians being in consensual, committed relationships just wasn't happening back then because everyone went by the laws of the Bible, which said you would be put to death for it."
Why did they take it so serious if it was not deemed sinful? you just said it was against the law of the Bible!!
mike -
Hey, mike - just don't go to McDonalds for lunch. Right? Help us out some, would ya!
Once again, are you saying that all pedophiles go for the sexual aspects only and not the relational aspect? If you're implying yes, then you're not educated on the topic at all. It may be partly because you are thinking only America. There are cultures that exist today that have a thriving pedophile culture - Saudia Arabia is just one that was in the new recently that supports pedophiles and marry as young as 2 years old (no sex apparently until puberty though - yea, right). I've said on other posts that the gay magazine "The Advocate" in it's non-mainstream days had long advertised trips to pedophile and child prostitution areas for their gay readers to go to. They stopped those advertising once the media started scrutinizing the gay publication and so they dropped the political baggage to help the cause move forward. Trust me, they'll resume again.
mike2685, the most perfect form of love is agape love, a Christ-like love for both God and others. Eros love is a self-fulfilling form of love and this is where sexual love falls and not in the area of agape love. If your love for your partner is purely agape love, then you're absolutely right there is no sin in that, but it is the sexual or eros love that becomes the sin when it is taken outside the boundaries of a marriage of one man to one woman.
Welcome back Mike. I was kind enough to not post 'sons of hell' refering to some of the posts. This site has taught me more about the sin of the 'saints' than it has about the sin of the 'sinners'.... Maybe that's why Jesus hung out with the 'sinners'.
"Homosexuality, in and of itself, does harm to no one."
This is the one point that drives things home. Those of us who are Christians realize that sin caused Jesus to be murdered on the cross. No matter how we justify our sin...it still harmed Jesus to death. It doesn't matter if it's homosexuality or anything else. Sin does and did harm Jesus.
We either accept this foundation of the Gospel and love Jesus enough to hate sin as He does -or- we do not understand the Gospel.
You believe what you want, I'll believe what I know, and I'll cya in heaven. I'm going to get lunch, peace.
johnny-
Great stuff. I agree with you that it's common sense knowledge Jesus didn't have to speak directly about. I've stated before, that one who accepts homosexuality as normal must defy COMMON SENSE. That's why there are atheists that have difficulty with the gay agenda, because it just doesn't work! Anatomically speaking, the human body is design specifically for sexual functional and procreation to work and work well it does! LOL
rolln, if you call quoting NAMBLA a study, then you have something else coming to you. Pedophilia will not gain social acceptance, it has at its root forcing yourself upon a child and we know that is causes lasting emotional scarring. Homosexuality was long thought of as only the sexual act. It was taken off the DSM because the more home studies that were conducted and the more society realized that homosexuals were just as normal a couple as a straight couple, they realized they had nothing to fear. Pedophiles should be feared, for they do hurt children. I have asked repeatedly and you have not given me an answer rolln, who do gays hurt?
Mike2685--
First, two men cannot share love "in its perfect form", because God did not design it that way. That perfect love he reserved for a husband and his wife, it exists between a man and a woman. What you are engaging in is a corruption of what God intended, and it is exactly why the Apostle Paul condemns homosexuality repeatedly (and I know the underlying Koine Greek and I have numerous Greek Lexicons, so don't tell me that the Greek doesn't really mean homosexual - it does. There was no exact word for "homosexuality" in Greek, because such relations weren't accepted as equal to male and female relations - but Paul uses the words for men who engage in sexual relations as either the active or passive partner - that was the only way he *could* describe homosexuality in Koine Greek).
God created them "male and female", and anything outside of that is abomination. It is spoken in the Old Testament and confirmed in the New Testament repeatedly (Romans, 1 Corinthians, 1 Timothy). Stop lying to yourself, you know the truth, just as every person walking the planet does. This is why homosexuality has *always* been a cultural taboo, in every culture throughout history (even the Greeks did not accept it like revisionist historians would like one to believe). The natural law is written in man's heart, as Paul says. People know right from wrong instinctively, and it is why homosexuality inspires revulsion in the majority of people in the majority of cultures in the majority of countries - and it always has.
There can be nothing of "God" in a homosexual relationship, it is only deception. It is listening to false teaching with itching ears if someone is telling you otherwise. It is not a lifestyle that can ever reflect God's glory or his intention and will - that makes it against God, and that makes it perverse. Abomination. That's why that word was used.
Jesus didn't speak about "homosexuality" because it wasn't even necessary to discuss it. It was a non-issue. A non-starter. It was a cultural taboo in Judaism from the beginning and would never have been accepted - it was a stoning offense in Jewish Law. Jesus didn't speak about it for the same reason he didn't speak about necrophilia or bestiality. He *didn't have to*. It was *assumed* (or presumed). The only argument that could be made for homosexuality in that context would have been if Jesus *specifically* said something that argued for it - which would have been overturning Mosaic Law. Sort of like how he modified the understanding of the Sabbath, or the Fourth Commandment, etc. But he never did. Because Jesus came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, and he would have accepted exactly what God said about homosexuality - that it was abomination.
The only option open to a homosexual who truly loves God and wishes to serve him, is to struggle against their sinful inclination and to remain celibate. Anything else is sin.
mike-
mike- funny how you haven't provided any studies. I gave you Nambla, but that doesn't satisfy you. There was another study posted earlier, but obviously you're not content with that either. How many more do you need?
At least you admit that things change. I'm telling you that pedophiles will gain mainstream acceptance after "more studies" as you'd say prove otherwise. Things do change, but God does not. Homosexuality is sin. Period.
Thepenitent....one most certainly does question God, because we are not pots. We have a brain and think critically, and this is a situation in which I have thought long and hard and have prayed long and hard about. It makes no sense that God would give me these desires and ability to love, then say "oops, but you can't act on them!" That's like a father putting a beer in front of you, then saying "Oops, if you really loved me, you wouldn't drink that." If you really love your children, you do everything you can to make their lives better. You give them things that will enhance their lives. God gave me the ability to love another man and create a home that is stable and we can raise children who need to be adopted together. To me, that is a gift.
rolln, and things change. With more studies, it was taken off the list because studies have shown it is not a disorder (homosexuality is not harmful to the person or to others around...things like schizophrenia and pedophilia are harmful to the person and those around them.) Plus, you scoff at me, but what research have you contributed, besides harping on NAMBLA?
donny-
Cases? What are you talking about - are you assuming something here.
It was a general question of whether or not a certain lifestyle was healthy or not.
I actually feel rather blessed to have open friendly dialogue with my doc. He's a great man of God.
donny -
Are you saying that anal sex is healthy and natural? Are you saying that doctor/patient relationships are only restricted to exams and no personal conversation allowed?
Mike-
Your research is weak. oh, remember the days APA documented that being gay was abnormal. Oh, have things change. LOL
If one truly believes himself to be born homosexual, and they cannot have normal heterosexual relations, then the only Christian alternative is to remain celibate. One can express and receive love without sexual relations and many have gone through life without sex. While you may not believe this is fair, it’s what God has commanded and the pot does not question the potter.
I know what this entails. I am an alcoholic who has not had a drink in many years. I was born an alcoholic and I can’t drink without getting drunk. I was a controlled alkie and drank at home and didn’t drive drunk. My drinking was not adversely affecting my life. I loved alcohol just as much as I (or anyone else) loved sex. However I had to acknowledge I was engaging in unrepentant sin and I could not be a true Christian if I continued to drink. I whined to God that it wasn’t fair that I couldn’t enjoy a glass or two of wine like others and would have to give up alcohol forever. But…..there it was, I had to decided which I loved more alcohol or Jesus. I choose Jesus.
rolln4him
i think you should seek a new doctor, not only is he/her knowledge questionable, any doctor that would discuss the medical cases of others is wasting his/her time and yours . and others while you are sitting there gossiping, others are sitting in the waiting room.
Rolln, you are hopeless. I do not have to ask every psychologist, because I have taken child psychology and have many friends in the field with whom we have had in depth discussions. Pedophilia is about power over another individual. We KNOW, without question, that pedophilia causes children extreme emotional and sometimes physical harm, especially in their later adult life. If I have consensual sex with another man, there is no emotional harm. Could you risk injury if you have anal sex? Sure, but there are many in the gay community, myself included, who do not practice it. Homosexuality, in and of itself, does harm to no one.
James, homosexuality isn't referenced in the Bible in terms of committed relationships, but when it is referenced, it is talking about ritualistic disrespect for God in terms of denying that your body is his temple. Degrading yourself through orgies is sinful, of course. Allowing yourself to feel love for your partner, when you are committed, and that love cannot harm the other person, is not sinful. Again, love cannot be a sin.
Jesus never talked about homosexuality, but he did talk about prostitution, and he talked about it being better that you were never born than to harm a child, and he talked about stealing and lying. if homosexuality were such a magnificent abomination, so much so that by me loving my partner I would still go to hell, then why didn't Jesus speak about it? To me, the concept of gays and lesbians being in consensual, committed relationships just wasn't happening back then because everyone went by the laws of the Bible, which said you would be put to death for it.
Answer me this: Can love, in its most perfect form, be a sin?
Inter racial marriage was allowed in the Bible, When Solomon married the Queen of Sheba is just one reference I am sure of. I for one am glad because my wife is a beautiful black women, and I am white. Could you please reference a homosexual couple that was condoned in the Bible? Could you please show me where it says women treat your women or men treat your men in any marriage reference? you said that movie refernced homosexuality in the Bible so where is it?
mike-
There is someone that posts on CP that feels that pedophilia is NOT a sin, based on the premises you talked about - love and committed. Do you know who it is???
I respect his thoughts more than yours because he's consistent in his logic; whereas you are only out to justify YOUR lifestyle, he is applying his logic across the board.
Bestiality is another "sexual orientation". You may not like it - only because it hinders progress in acceptance , but that's what they will be claiming.
mike-
I for you not being able to change yourself - you're right. You alone can not do the changing, it's the work of the Holy Spirit that works through you. But it can only happen after you repent from your same-sex sexual relationship.
Research? Did you talk to ALL psychologist? You say talk to any psychologist - then I assume that YOU HAVE?
I'm merely stating what the peds say about how they feel. Much like the gays say about how others don't understand their heart towards their partner. ONe of the themes the gay agenda pushes is "what right do you have to tell me who I love". The peds are just saying the same thing.
Also, the analogy of sin with homosexuality is one I've heard before. You can be 100 yards from the boat or an arm length outside the boat - you're still out of the boat. God didn't say sex with the same gender was OK if you're love commitment was there. He said it's a sin period. It doesn't take a Phd to figure that anatomically speaking, to have sex with the same gender is simply not natural. In fact, it has been proven to be unhealthy - according to my own doctor.
mike2685, I've posted you at the exodus site. Interrracial marriage has been condoned throughout the Bible. So this was not a new development. Whereas, same-sex marriage is a recent development in the Judeo-Christian society and perhaps throughout the world. And while I share your views about pedophilia, those who live that lifestyle are just as adamant about their right to have their lifestyle seen as legitimate as those in both the heterosexual and homosexual lifestyle do about their lifestyles.
Rolln, that is a loaded question. I have explained before, my biggest comfort in reconciling who I am and who I have not been able to change from with the Bible was by watching the movie "For the Bible Tells me So" which talks exclusively and professionally about homosexuality in the Bible. When it was referenced, it was talking about Pagan ritualistic homosexuality in which orgies were had as a way of worship to one another. That makes sense to me as being a sin, as it takes away from God. Do I think the love I have for my partner is a sin? No. Again, I have experienced love and lust, and we all know there is a clear difference, and I think love is one of the most powerful forces to overcome evil. I don't think the devil can overtake love, but he can certainly overtake weaknesses in our hearts. Love does not hurt anyone. if a pedophile says they love a child, its obvious the harm they cause the child later in life. Can I get angry with my partner and become spiteful? Absolutely, as can any couple in love, but when you are experiencing that love, so deeply, that you only want what is best for them, there is no sin in the matter.
Rolln, what do you mean in saying I am obviously not doing my research? Ask any psychologist and they will tell you pedophilia is usually about power over another individual, usually resulting from them being perpetrated as children themselves. Keeping in mind NAMBLA is not at all research based, do you have research that says otherwise?
Believer, the same thing could have been said for interracial marriage (in fact, it was.) Again, we already have polygammy, although I don't know enough about it (didn't they already marry in Utah?) and pedophilia isn't about love, as I said previously.
Congrats to Dr. Dobson. FOF has been an encouraging and positive ministry for my family. This is well deserved.
mike2685, I'm glad to see you've cooled down and I do understand why you got so bent out of shape. And like you I know pedophiles can come in all shapes and sizes regardless of their sexual orientation. But I at the same time see the concern for what will happen if the present definition of marriage is changed to allow for same-sex marriages. Once the parameters are stretched what's to keep us from stretching them further, where do we stop stretching and finally say no more. Because the very arguments that are being used to condone same-sex marriage can also be used to condone other forms of marriage. It's much like the domino effect theory that was used to condone the war in Viet-Nam. So since same-sex marriage is seen as the high-water mark in this battle, it has caused both sides to pull-out all the stops to either stop or allow same-sex marriages to be legalized.
Mike-
In regards to pedophiles - since you are not one - for which we're thankful - then how can you presume that they do it for control and sex only. Do you know the heart of a pedophile? Obviously you're not doing your research.
As with homosexuality and Christianity, I suppose I should ask you straight up: Is being an active homosexual a sin?
Daniel, I'm not sure what your Dad was listening to, but it wasn't Focus on the Family because Dr. Dobson started Focus on the Family.
WB, thank you, truly, for having my back in terms of realizing that yes, people were posting things that were intended to put fuel on the fire, many of which were untrue (to say homosexuality is worse than pedophilia, for instance.) Again, I need to point out to many, many people on this board: Correlations don't necessarily prove something. When I was looking through studies last night, there was one that said a large majority of pedophiles were the 2nd or 3rd son in the family. Does that mean all 2nd or 3rd sons are at risk to be peodphiles? Certainly not. That being said, all homosexuals are not at risk to become pedophiles, and the attitude being expressed last night was that pedophilia was tied into homosexuality. That is in no way true! Peodphilia is out there on its own, and it doesn't dictate what a person's sexual orientation is going to be.
Rolln, you had said many believe pedophilia to be another sexual orientation, but I don't believe it to be true. Sexual orientation is the people you are emotionally, physically, spiritually and intellectually attracted to. Someone who is a pedophile is in it to have power over another person. It is an illness that brings harm to the other person, and it is always sexual in nature. Sexual orientation, although it has the word sex in it, obviously isn't only about sex. Married couples don't only think about the next time they can have sex with their partners, whereas that is the main drive behind a pedophile's mind set.
Again, I must also say, the fact that we sin is the very reason why we're Christians rolln! We try and turn away from the sin, which I said I have tried harder than you could imagine to not be gay, but it didn't happen. I have shared with you my journey, and when no one can give me a better reason for why homosexuality would be such an abomination other than "well that's just what the Bible says" I am forced to seclude myself into a personal relationship with Jesus, which yes, still makes me a Christian, and you have no right to tell me I am not one. That is just absurd, it would be like you starting to speak ebonics so I tell you you're not white. I know plenty of Christians that deal with sins daily which they just can't give up, but it doesn't mean they're not Christians. You are presuming to know whats in my heart and that you know Jesus' plan for me. That is arrogant and very untrue.
rolln4him,
"OK, I'm going to slip into my old self "
But you said it so nicely! :)
"and say WB: What posts are you reading to be empathizing with Mike? Are you kiddding me? You have a habit of empathizing with sinners WAY TOO MUCH "
I dont think empathy is a bad thing. The problem comes in when we ignore sin. Have you noticed me do that? If so, please point it out, because if I ever ignore sin out of empathy then I am 'seeking unity at the cost of truth'. I happen to try to work for unity where possible but stand on the truth of the Bible.
"and it's a false empathy. Give me a break! "
What do you mean by that? I happen to think its a real feeling.
"He's taking it personally and none - and I repeat none - of the posts were directed towards him or even referring to him. Most of what was discussed was the correlationship between gay and pedophile; which if you read the articles that were provided is true."
I was going to tell you to go back and read the thread, but decided to do so myself. You are correct, it was not directed AT him, and there was no name calling, other than lina of course. But it still looked like baiting from my angle (not from you).
So I stand corrected. On my second read, it was not as harsh as it seemed the first time through. But I still think there was baiting going on.
"Mike's mistake is he took it personally. He therefore lost his cool."
Yes, he did take it personally. It looked personal, even though his name wasn't mentioned in the post stating homosexuality is worse than pedophilia.
"Mike other issue is his insistence that being an active gay person is compatible with being a Christian, which I know you and most all of us know that is not correct."
yes.
"Though you have a right to show empathy to Mike, I for one don't have tolerance for those that prostrate themselves as a Christian when in fact they are NOT!"
I'm not defending his position on homosexuality not being a sin in any way.
I think you will agree that I share scripture dealing with most issues.
I do not think we will win people to the truth by baiting them. People who are defensive can't process what you are trying to communicate. If you believe Mike is wrong, the best things you can do are pray for him and engage him with the truth in love.
"If, for instance, Mike were to be going to our church, we'd welcome him with open arms. But if he insist on living his gay lifestyle, then we'd approach him with his sin. Then we'd follow through with Math 18 procedure. "
I agree with your church's position.
"I have a hunch though, Mike is not in a Biblically based church. "
I think he was in the Roman Catholic Church for a while, but I'm not sure if he is currently attending church.
"These are the churches that allow people to keep on the path of destruction and that is not true love."
But I agree with you. Allowing people to unknowingly go down the path of destruction is not love of any kind.
wb-
OK, I'm going to slip into my old self and say WB: What posts are you reading to be empathizing with Mike? Are you kiddding me? You have a habit of empathizing with sinners WAY TOO MUCH and it's a false empathy. Give me a break!
He's taking it personally and none - and I repeat none - of the posts were directed towards him or even referring to him. Most of what was discussed was the correlationship between gay and pedophile; which if you read the articles that were provided is true.
Mike's mistake is he took it personally. He therefore lost his cool. Mike other issue is his insistence that being an active gay person is compatible with being a Christian, which I know you and most all of us know that is not correct.
Though you have a right to show empathy to Mike, I for one don't have tolerance for those that prostrate themselves as a Christian when in fact they are NOT!
If, for instance, Mike were to be going to our church, we'd welcome him with open arms. But if he insist on living his gay lifestyle, then we'd approach him with his sin. Then we'd follow through with Math 18 procedure. I have a hunch though, Mike is not in a Biblically based church. These are the churches that allow people to keep on the path of destruction and that is not true love.
Congratluations to Mr. Dobson. It would be best just to ignore the outcry from the gay community. From what I've seen, anything that does not portray them in a positive light is berated as hate/discriminatory/criminal/etc...
I have not ever heard of Mr. Dobson making hateful remarks about gays, but I may be mistaken (I'm willing to allow that humans are not infallible).
Rolln4him,
"Thanks WB."
You're welcome.
"Hey, you didn't flag me did you. There was a time that you'd show up and I'd get flagged. Remember? "
Yes, and it wasn't so long ago.
"I have been working on it - being nicer thing."
It showed.
" So you didn't think the jock-strap thing was too out of line?? LOL"
I'll admit, I thought it was funny. :) Borderline, but funny. No name calling on your part that I can see. Prayer must work for you.
"Equally, if there was a mainstream thrust for adultery and fornicators to be considered a sinless lifestyle, then there'd be just as much a fight. "
There HAS been a mainstream thrust in this area - its called no-fault divorce. We need to be just as upset, if not more, about abortion, adultery, children-born-out-of-wedlock, lying, thieving, witchcraft, seances, and pedophilia as we are about homosexuality.
These are all sins, folks. Yes, some of them have been called abomination, but all of them keep people from heaven - even lying. Remember that God hates divorce, yet its huge in the church - to the point where the divorce rate in the "church" is as bad as that outside it. How can we address these issues?
Wow. I just caught up. I must admit, it was hard reading. I saw what looks like a lot of baiting.
I'm surprised and saddened someone would stoop so low to say homosexuals are worse than pedophiles, and trying to allude to the idea that gays are pedophiles!!! I am ashamed of some of you folks. Its one thing to speak from love dealing with the sin using scripture. Its another thing to make baiting remarks like I have read here. That was outright mean. We are to love our brothers - that includes the Samaritans (who were, at best, looked down upon by the Jews, and, at worst, hated by the Jews).
You guys were feeding off each other, it seems to me.
I don't blame Mike for being angry. It certainly upset me, and I'm not gay.
"I'm truly amazed at how much time was spent discussing Homosexuality in this blog. Adultery and Fornication are equally as dangerous to the Family. These are all sexual sins."
This is true. However, it is proportional to the number of stories and the content of those who post. We really don't have that many adulterers or fornicators discussing their lifestyle here. I'm sure if they did, we'd talk more about it.
Nuts!!! Now I'm going to be wondering what that program was my dad made us be quiet for! My dad taught Marriage and Family Life so he wanted to listen to the program and it was before we moved in '71.... Any ideas?
"Dobson wouldn't have been a part of the 1960's version of FoF."
Was there a version of FoF in the 60's? It may have been the same program with a different host. After all... I would have been in the 1st-3rd grade (those were the days).
Equally, if there was a mainstream thrust for adultery and fornicators to be considered a sinless lifestyle, then there'd be just as much a fight.
Alas! Since gays aren't able to marry, in essence they are fornicators as well as proclaiming a condemned lifestyle. Double whammy you might say. I suppose the can marry in a secular sense, but never in a Biblical sense - since there's no Biblical homosexual marriage example provided.
wrhalver-
I think the reason homosexuality is discussed so much is because there's an attempt by the left to redefine, not only marriage, but Christianity as well. There are those from the left who will attempt to sabotage Christian websites like CP all in an effort to redefine. Homosexuality has just been such a topic that has infiltrated nearly every aspect of our society through lawsuits to hiring to college admissions.
While adultery, poverty and such are all great causes, we don't disagree that it's a problem. Homosexuality, at one point a scourge to society, has made its way to mainstream. I believe that this is why it talked about so much.
I'm truly amazed at how much time was spent discussing Homosexuality in this blog.
Adultery and Fornication are equally as dangerous to the Family. These are all sexual sins.
I trust that while Dr. Dobson accepts the recognition for his ministry, this is not the honor he seeks.
It is more honorable to be persecuted in the service of Christ than to recieve earthly praise.
May Dr. Dobson's work continue to remain focused on the Family.
Thanks WB.
Hey, you didn't flag me did you. There was a time that you'd show up and I'd get flagged. Remember?
I have been working on it - being nicer thing. So you didn't think the jock-strap thing was too out of line?? LOL
rolln4him,
I have to say, I'm just catching up here. But kudos to you for trying to find ways to communicate in nicer ways.
and thanks for the compliment.
So what if the studies are over 20 years old? That wouldn't effect their reliability one iota.
Difficult to believe that something as mundane as Focus on the Family being inducted would lead to such diatribes. It has certainly made interesting reading.
Penitent: the two studies you cite are more than twenty years old. A bit out of date, no??? And do you really believe that homosexuality is worse than pedophilia or were you just trying to add to the fire?
Jesus may never have called pedophilia an abomination but we all must recall what he said about a millstone being put around the neck of anyone who hurt a child.
Lina, rolln4him and john14-6, you all sound very much alike in the emotional language you use. Can´t you cool it for a bit? And certainly, both extremes of liberals and conservatives use hateful, vicious, mindless, screeching vitriol, john14-6, so don´t go throwing stones as in, you know, people who live in glass houses.
Johnny - NEED COFFEE????!! Boy, I was thinking just the opposite:)
Nitey nite, steve0. Even after that nasty meal for McDs - eeww. You'll be up through the nite. Post then! LOL
Thought that might amuse you, goodnight from England.
Steve
Mike
I do not think gay people will become pedophiles, however I do believe that pedophiles can be gay. It may be that pedophiles are prone to be gay instead of gays being prone to be pedophiles. There is a big difference. I would not say you are not a Christian either. I do believe you bear good fruit from what you believe to be True, but alot of people view it as one bad fruit spoils the others. I beleive in my heart that if you found homosexuality to be a sin, you would try your best to not partake in it. I am worried for you though as the Bible is clear on this. I pray that you will see the truth in it. Sometimes there are other more heart issues that need to be dealt with first before we can see the Truth. could you be prideful(meaning you just can't be wrong on this), selfish(if I realize this to be True where does that leave me), or some other issue . pride and selfish examples may not be the exact form of pride and selfishness that you hold. I pray nightly that you can examine your heart. Just as i pray if I made a wrong statement god would realize that to me. Remember Mike the only relationship we need in this world is with Christ, for God said He will be with us. Paul also said that being single is also a blessing for the people called to ministry for they will not be obligated to roles in the marriage. You need to truly ask yourself would i give this up to be right with God and the answer has to be a solid yes, regardless of your views. I posted a few thoughts to you on another forum did you read them?
Yo, John. Testy, testy - what got under your skin. Lina left a long time ago. I think you're shooting into the dark.
LOL!! Gimme some, pleeeezzzzz!!!
My wife and I have a large meal each but we do share the 20 nuggets, well, we don't want others to think we are greedy!
lina--
Thank you for proving what I said to rolln4him about liberals is true. You proved my point and then some. Congratulations on your hate-filled screed. Yeah, we'll pray for you.
Do you know how boring you guys are? Where's Jester anyways. LOL!
See how Lina left anyways. She'd leave when we are like me and she'll leave when we're boring. Don't matter!!! Truth is truth.
My real issue now is staying away from mcdonalds. Ronny and I go way back to the days of 20 nuggets and a large coke without sharing. SINNER!!!!
believer-
It was good to step back and reflect and pray. Now let's get rid of the man-panties and put those jock-straps back on and get'm. LOL
rolln4him, great question and good to see you back and I'm impressed with how you kept it cool with lina, be blessed, believer
mike-
Many pedophiles (gay and/or straight) think of themselves as just another sexual orientation. Do you believe this to be true?
Mike2685, please chill because I for one want to hear you out and right now I'm only hearing a lot of anger and rage, maybe this will help. What did you think of the post I sent on your experiences as a child? It was on the "exodus" article site, thanks believer
Thanks believer, appreciate the answer.
steveh20, in Jewish tradition the girl could have been as young as 12 and the boy as young as 13 when they got married. A girl became a woman at the age of 12 and a boy became a man at the age of 13. Both had and still have today a special celebration for them becoming a man or a woman. So Mary could have been as young as 12, but more than likely was in her teens when she was pregnant with Christ.
steve0-
Are you saying shame on those that participate in the activity or the discussion of the topic?
steve0
Shame on who??
I reckon Mary would have been 14-15, which up until the 20th century was very customary.
Thanks DP I accept and respect your reply.
On a completly seperate note for those having another conversation about homsexulaity and the abuse of young children (shame on you), I have always understood that Mary being bethroved would have been 12 - 14 when she was impregnated by the Holy Spirit, have I been wrong?
Steve
Just got off the phone with Focus on the Family and they started the radio broadcast in 1976 with Dr. Dobson as the host.
I have been surprised that the Muslim clerics are for pedophiles. This has just been in the news recently, that it would be OK to marry as young as 2 yrs old. WOW! Sick!
DP-
Dobson wouldn't have been a part of the 1960's version of FoF. He's old, but not that old. LOL
mike2685, you're right to make pedophilia a homosexual problem it totally unfair. As you know because I looked very young for my age and because I hitchhiked to work a lot, I was hit on as a teen by several pedophiles, they were only called dirty old men or perverts back then. One was blatantly homosexual while all the rest appeared to be heterosexual as they gave me no reason to believe they were homosexual. What was really sick was when they told me I reminded them of their grandson.
Sooooooo.....Mike is "furious" because these "Christians" actually believe the Bible. What nerve they have.
Mike:
Here's an article for Mike right there on NAMBLA's own website:
http://www.nambla.org/pederasty.htm
Also, if the % is 3% in the 'straight' and 5% in the gay then the gay is almost 'twice as high'. It's all how it's stated.
Give me enough time, data and 'experts' and I could mostelikely 'prove' the world is flat and the round effect is mearly a perception of warped space....
I found this article that explains why it is still difficult to determine the actual percentage of those who have committed suicide with sexual orientation.
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/282/13/1291
I would definately be willing to make the statement that those who are homosexual are more likely to commit suicide then those who are not. However, I do believe 30% is a myth.
Actully, I was alive and listening to the program. I remember it being on at 6pm on KTIS and we all had to be quite so dad could listen. My guess is the radio program started way before the organization was founded.
Does the percentage really matter, what matters is that we have a class of young people who are taking their lives because of their struggle with their sexuality. And this struggle is not limited to the homosexual community but to our society as a whole among teens. What this says to me is that the Christian community needs to get more involved in this issue in order to help youth to successfully navigate through this difficult time in their lives. And we have a hope that no one else can offer them. A personal relationship with God through the person and finished work of Christ. We can introduce them to a God who both created them on purpose and has a special purpose for each one of their lives. And we need to start yesterday. And PTL we have a ministry like Focus on the Family who is doing just that.
"If two men love each other company and live together for all their lives being totally dedicated to one another but have no genetil contact etc.. is that okay?"
This term is called 'brothers'. Homosexuality is an action of the body. Case and point. Jesus and 12 men lived together for 3 years yet there was no homosexuality among them.
Mike, my point was the media gives the perception. A gay man 'takes' a child. A gay group comes to his defense. Now comes the media twist. Therefore, all gay men attack children. It's the same as this guys quote about FotF building his empire on the gay issue...not.
Here you go:
5. K. Jay and A. Young, The Gay Report (New York: Summit Books, 1979), p. 275. )
Dr. Paul Cameron, “Homosexual Molestation of Children/Sexual Interaction of Teacher and Pupil,” Psychological Reports 57 (1985): 1227-1236.)
Both studies reference the incredibly high incidence of pedophilia in the homosexual community.
Are there "talking" snakes in the Bible?
Daniel-
I think your dad is either pulling your leg or is senile. Dobson started in 1977:)
"A male pedophile who commits a sex act against a boy isn't necessarily gay, the boy was just an easy target. "
It's a media perception driven point. Take this story, one person says "a right wing demagogue, who built his radio empire on the backs of gay and lesbian people" and it makes Focus on the Family look like it was formed solely as a weapon against the gay movement. In truth, Focus on the Family commits only a very small percentage of their programs to the topic.
Also FotF has many other programs it produces including Adventures in Odyssey and other childrens programs. So, overall, I'd guesstimate that less than 5% of the Focus on the Family efforts are in the area of the gay movement.
Sorry if the truth hurts Mikey boy, but there it is. As I recall, Jesus specifically said he "hated" false teaching so I'm in pretty good company.
lina, hopefully you'll check these posts, but Mike professes to be a Christian himself, so he too may believe in "talking" snakes and virgin births like many Christians do.
mike-
Sorry, but the correlationship between gay men and pedophiles is too strong to just brush aside. If it's easier for you to do so, it's America, but the proof is just not going to just go away. Nambla is growing and they like to point this out. Gay agenda is trying to sweep this under the matt, but the monster is too big.
Mike, you said "From http://www.metrokc.gov/health/glbt/youthsuicide.htm which was last updated December of 03: GLB youth were four times as likely as straight teens to have made a suicide attempt in the past year which was serious enough to have been treated by a doctor or a nurse. The 33% came from GLSEN, which is the same report you are referencing, I'm guessing. I got 33 because I have seen that study published where it said a third..."
Mike, the statistics on this page are from "Seattle Public Schools Survey", not a study done by a College of broad spectrum etc. In other words, it fails to take into account the rest of the nation.
The statistical pool is very limited.
I'm not trying to "harp" on you, or be rude about questioning you on this. But I was hoping for something more conclusive for the 30%.
I have a question.
If two men love each other company and live together for all their lives being totally dedicated to one another but have no genetil contact etc.. is that okay?
Steve
The percentage of gay who commit pedophilia is dramatically higher than with hetrosexuals. There is a definite nexus there. Gays can't reproduce so they recruit.
"who founded Focus on the Family in 1977"
Is this a typo? My dad was listening to Focus on the Family in the 60's....
Still, I don't support many of the programs in the hall of fame...still by broadcasting standards they deserve the honor.
"Gays are worse than child molesters?!?! "
The problem comes in where many gays are child molesters and the behavior is defended by 'gay groups'.
As for being worse...as I've posted many times. Sin is sin. God calls homosexuality sin. he also calls cheating on your taxes, shoplifting a 10 cent peice of candy and murder sin. It's all the same. Why did someone think it was worse?
"You are all $%#$#@$ nuts."
Aren't we all? :-) Many people don't like their comfort zone challenged.
thepenitent- thanks for answer-couldn't have said it better myself.
From http://www.metrokc.gov/health/glbt/youthsuicide.htm which was last updated December of 03: GLB youth were four times as likely as straight teens to have made a suicide attempt in the past year which was serious enough to have been treated by a doctor or a nurse. The 33% came from GLSEN, which is the same report you are referencing, I'm guessing. I got 33 because I have seen that study published where it said a third...that is still a huge number, and the amount of gay youth feeling so trapped they have a legitimate suicide plan is terrifying. Its because of people telling them that being gay is worse than being a pedophile...gee, what a great message to hear!
lina-
Your own narrow mindedness has lead you to believe only one way sexually, which is all pedophiles only harm. You obviously have no education with what NAMBLA is all about, right? There are many gay men seeking pedophile relations, which is why scouts forbid gay leaders. Not ALL gay men seek this, but the ones that do are certainly never going to advertise their "sexual orientation" - gay pedophile? But, it's just a matter of time before the "public" get immune to this thinking, right? After all, it's just a matter of opening up our minds a bit more, right?
lina, that is not the only reason they cite for a person becoming a homosexual and the reality is that there are men and women who have successfully left the homosexual lifestyle. Yes, many of them will struggle with the temptation to go back to that lifestyle, but with the help of God and Christian friends they will experience victory. But this struggle with temptation is not just a homosexual struggle, but a struggle encountered by every person who has a problem with certain sins in their life, to include me. I struggle with porn and I know if I hang around it long enough I'll wind up viewing it. As a result it will negatively impact my marriage, my view of women, my effectiveness in ministry, and worse of all my relationship with God. So should I just say I was "born" with this desire just go ahead and don't worry about the negative consequences since it's all about me in the first place. Oh by the way I've heard there is some "scientific" research that says I might be predisposed to being susceptible to the lure of pornography so now I not only have the right I've also got an excuse.
God never said the earth was flat. It was the modern scientists of the day who made that assertion.
Gays are worse than child molesters?!?! HA!!! You can now see why so many gays feel so much hatred for people who call themselves christians. What a horrifically insulting thing to say. Use a bit of common sense....I do no harm to anyone by being gay outside of maybe ticking some people off. Pedophiles scar children for life, and often turn them into pedophiles when they grow up, it is a vicious cycle!
lina-
Goes to show how uneducated and bias you are: Pedophiles look for relationships; not always to harm. Their belief (having actually talked to one) is that they earn the trust of the young and then move for the sexual - with consent of course. Jerry Lee Lewis is one of the more celebrated pedophiles, but there are many.
Mike said, "Gay youth make up 33% of all youth suicides in this country, and I'm willing to bet many of them are due to fear of what people will think."
Mike, i think i'm going to have to ask you for the reference study on this one. The "best" one i've found (meaning favorable to your argument - others go against what you say) only says that homosexuality is "possibly" one of the causes of "up to" 30%. Meaning it's inconclusive and it's a study from 1989.
So you may be right, but I would like to see the study.
lina- interesting. We stand on unmoving Truth; you are swayed by evidence of the day. That's got to be an interesting lifestyle.
I don't think you're quite getting your own logic and how conflicted you are, but so goes the left.
It was a bad comparison - gays are worse. God never called pedophilia an "abomination".
Hahahahha. That's like saying "if God had an issue with child molesters he wouldn't have created them with that urge" or the same with murders, rapists, or any other evil behavior. You can rationalize any evil with that reasoning. Which is essentially what the gays do.
Mike2685, as I asked lina have you personally listened to Focus on the Family broadcasts on this issue or are you just citing what you have heard about them. I met the man who heads up that area of Focus on the Family. He was a former homosexual and was very sensitive to this issue and encouraged those present where he was speaking to do and be the same when addressing this issue.
lina- are you counting? Is this scientifically proven? Can everything be proven scientifically and without fault?
I think that if you think through your own logic; you'll find how illogical you sound.
Only a reprobate would assert that one cannot experience love without sex. You may want to investigate the difference between agape and eros. Certainly, indulging someone in behavior that will condemn their soul forever is as far from love as one can get.
Mikey-
Next time you see a Christian sin; call him/her on it - if they repent then you won over your brother/sister. If they don't, .... what do you think the answer is Biblically?
The problem is: Gays don't think they're sinning. This is where the battle originates, right?
lina, have you ever listened to a Focus on the Family broadcast on the issue of homosexuality. I have listened to many and all have been presented in both a tactful and compassionate manner. I doubt if any one has committed suicide as a result of any of these broadcasts, but I know that there are many people whose lives have been powerfully changed as a result of programs they heard on Focus on the Family.
yo lina-
Has "modern" science EVER been wrong?
I'm with Lina on this one. Gay youth make up 33% of all youth suicides in this country, and I'm willing to bet many of them are due to fear of what people will think. Dr. Dobson does not love the gays he's preaching out against, he spreads vicious rumors that we're all perverts and morally bankrupt, so kids questioning their sexual orientation think they'd be better off dead than gay.
Rolln, things don't come in nice packages, but you telling me I am not a Christian isn't Christian...the next time I see a Christian sin, I'll be sure to let them know they're not longer a Christian, because if they truly were, they would have turned away from that sin ages ago.
Engaging in gay behavior is always a choice. Duhhhhhhh
Perhaps you'd prefer I use the term Paul used "depraved mind", although I think that sounds even more harsh.
thepenitent-
LOL- I'm much like you, but we're also trying to work with Lina. I often times have to hold my tongue, but Lina hangs with us and all our war of words and name calling - she's a sport and she'll call you as much as we call her and that doesn't get us anywheres so ...
Who knows how many young gay kids Dr. Dobson has saved from eternal damnation by convincing them of the wickedness of their ways. Choices have consequences.
Good point believer. Another prime example is the Broadway plays depicting Jesus as gay
Like I really care if some reprobate from the internet thinks I'm an "awful human being" for remaining faithful to scripture? I revel in it!
lina, this is not an issue about right or wrong, it is about the freedom of speech and expression. Plus more often than not it is an issue of my opinion versus your opinion. What these people are saying is that because they disagree with some of the opinions offered by Focus on the Family that they have no right to receive this award. Yet, many if not all in this group have no problem when it comes to expressions of disrespect to Christian beliefs and ideals. An example being the placing of a crucifix in a jar of urine and calling it art. The liberals want it both ways and when they can't the sale of cheese goes up to go along with their whine.
Lina-
I'm trying to be nice because those that I respect "believer" "wbmoore" and others have called me on it. Sometimes I got to swallow my pride and listen to them. Don't like it much; but...
mike-
I don't mean to hurt your feelings, but Truth is not always wrapped in a nice package.
The vast majority of the Christian (as well as other faiths) community can not equate being a Christian with being an active homosexual. Period!
Righttttttttt
steveo-
Answer: Unexeptable!
For those reading the last lina/rolln posts:
She didn't come out swinging on purpose. I had a post that egged lina on and then I deleted it, so that why she is coming out "swinging". Not her fault - I baited her. Sorry. I'm trying my new approach. It's hard, but I'm trying to be nicer - the newer rolln
Congratulations to Dr. Dobson. Jesus warned that the worldly would hate true Christians and this demonstrates that fact in action. Further, Paul predicted that the unsaved would infiltrate the Church and attempt to rationalize their fleshy perversions. This article also shows how on the spot Paul was.
Roll
You need to answer the question first, if its fad of the day today, what was it then?
Steve
oh, rolln, such a shame! You were doing so good in dialogue, then you had to go shut it down by telling me I'm not a Christian. I have gone through everything in my struggle/journey with you, and I'd say I'm doing a mighty fine job as a Christian. Does the fact that I have a partner really cloud all the good I'm doing for this world, so much so that I can't be called a Christian?
You know who I hate? All those hethen grandparents raising children. Who do they think they are, challenging family structures! And the single mothers raising their children? Take the kids away! All families need a father, mother, 2.5 children, dog and white picket fence, or God is going to come down and throw the Bible at people!
(unfortunately, some people might need me to say, that's called sarcasm, that little thing I did just there.)
You can talk about liberals and gays who hate, but don't tell me there aren't plenty of conservatives and Christians who go around spreading hatred as well.
Now lina- calm down. I did apologize.
Lina-
At least you don't flag me; not that I know of anyway.
How did you know I was a hick! Old chevy 4x4 with rack and dog in the back - cool. Hick is a compliment in my neck of the woods.
Lina -
I apologize for being mean. I have been working on being nicer.
steveo - gosh, long time.
What do you mean by going back? Are you saying that it was accepted back then, too? Tell me about it. Obviously, it went into the closet at some point before - say 30 years ago. Why is that? I'd be interested to hear your spill.
roll4him
If being gay is the fad of the day, what has it been over the past say 2,500 years? Lets start with ancient greece shall we? Was it fad of the day then?
Regards
Steve
john and danny-
I'm amazed the validity of scripture every day. As with who "hates" who: The truth is exchanged for a lie.
Right now, being gay is the fad of the day; they must press their "hate" theme as long as it keeps working. For now, it is definitely working. Some businesses are now installing quotas for gays. So many gays have to be elevated and promoted regardless of qualifications.
rolln4him, you said "The gay community has been relentless in it's assault on traditional family values - don't you just love how the use the word "hate" and all its derivatives? They seem to use this word incessantly to browbeat all those opposed to them. Come on people- don't you see their own hate. They froth at the mouth toward anything having to do with God. Seriously. "
I don't think you could have said it much better than that. I have thought this many times, and personally experienced "hatred" from those who have said I am "hating". The word is thrown around to silence those who oppose them.
mike2685, I think the better word would be the family structure as opposed to family values. Because I wholeheartedly concur there are many in the heterosexual community have done an excellent job of destroying family values by their example and ideals. By family structure, I'm referring to the family structure as many Christians believe was established by God in the Bible when He spoke in both the Old and New Testament when He said it was to be one man and one woman who would become one and then become a family.
rolln4him--
It is ironic how the gay community and the left throw around the word "hate". I have never seen more hate, more rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth vitriol and viciousness than I have seen from gays and the left towards anyone who opposes them. Absolutely the most mindless, vicious, hateful, screeching vitriol that I have ever heard, topped off with the various threats and tantrums. You want to see the rabid face of hate in America - look to the left. Liberals are the most hateful, vicious people on the planet when you get in their way. (And they also have a tendency to use endless streams of expletives moreso than anyone on the right I've ever heard).
Congratulations to Dr. Dobson and to Focus on the Family! I listen often. Just remember, if the culture is outraged, then Dr. Dobson is doing something right. He consistently stands up to the loud mouthed grievance mongers and professional victim groups, speaking truth to power, in the face of relentless media onslaughts and vicious personal attacks. He consistently weathers these storms in speaking up for children and the traditional family. God bless you and keep you, Dr. Dobson. You're not a lone voice crying in the wilderness. Many of us take great inspiration and courage from your program and your example. Again, congratulations!
Liberals are an amazing group of people, they harp all day about the freedom of speech and expression that is until what's being said or expressed disagrees in anyway with their liberal worldview. Focus on the Family has done a great job in addressing many issues that are impacting marriages and families in both a positive and negative way. While as a believer or non-believer you may not agree with everything at the same time you will not disagree with everything they present either. They well deserved this honor because their show has had a positive impact in the lives, marriages, and families of believers and non-believers alike.
There are 5 stories concerning "gay" issues running from the front page of this site at the moment(incl tabs), it seems a little over the top, has somebody got a bee in their bonnet at this time?
mike- you're confusing straight and not straight when you should be using gay worldview and Christian worldview. Gay worldview is a perversion of God's word thus perverted sense of family values and Christians view God's Word as it is.
Obviously, there are godless straight people (Britney Spears) that are just as perverted as homosexuals that indulge in their perversion without heed to God. You are also confused thinking that you can be a Christian and still indulge in your relationship with your partner which is contradictory to scripture. I suppose you can call yourself a Christians as much as you want, but you'll never receive any credibility. Much like I can call myself a policeman and hang out at the police station all I want, but I'm not a policeman.
You go, Focus on the Family!! Congratulations on this significant milestone! It is a testimony of your faithfulness to God & breadth of biblical influence in our culture.
One could not begin to imagine where our society would be without the ministry of Focus on the Family.
How can one understand, behind the heavenly scenes, how much evil has been restrained in our nation due to FOTF's influence?
How can one begin to quantify the number of marriages that have been strengthened throughout the years?
How can one start to count the number of families kept together and encouraged?
How can one begin to thank God for using FOTF to save countless unborn lives & for speaking out so forcefully for the sanctity of human life?
No, FOTF & Dr. Dobson are not perfect; they are mere humans like all of us. But they are genuinely trying to serve God & honor Him with their gifts, talents, & lives.
That is much more than we can say for the many of us who can merely cast wild criticims at them from the comforts of our easy chairs.
"FoF is just as secular"
Tossing terms in such irrelevancy proves nothing but a misunderstanding of their nature and meaning. Most people do not think of the air or radio waves as 'secular.' Perhaps Diana means that because he doesn't just read Scripture from the time the broadcast starts till it is over, then it is secular. Maybe it is because it is a public medium. Perhaps it is simply due to a disagreement with him in regards to psychology. No matter, Dobson has been extremely helpful to my relationships. He does present the Gospel, although it may not be 100% of the time. He airs some very inspiring programs and did I mention informs many of us that live in the real world as ambassadors of Christ as to what is happening behind the curtains in Washington. He is not perfect; winning an award doesn't insinuate that he is perfect. It merely recognizes his contributions and his legacy.
Thanks Dr. Dobson for your contributions and that without compromise!
The gay community has been relentless in its attacks on family values...is that a fact? I'm interested to know how, because many that I know in the gay community are in committed relationships and plan to, are in the process of, or already have adopted kids. To me, I see many more in the straight community assaulting family values, such as the sensationalized custody battle of Britney Spears...my my, what a great role model she is! Get married in Vegas for 24 hours, then have 2 children with a man and go out drinking and doing drugs every night. Those are the values I'm going to teach my children, you know, since I'm gay and hate traditional family ones.
Beloved, The Bible is very clear and concise when it comes to human relationships. So the choice is, as always:
You can choose to believe what the Creator says, or you can choose what the creation says.
There are those, some specifically mentioned in the article, who oppose Christ's words, claiming them to be radical, racist, claiming His word to be "misleading information which contribute to putting gay and lesbian families in harms way.”
The only harm I see Christians putting these individuals in the way of is by not telling them that such acts are an abomination to the Creator. By not telling them, one is compromising the truth for public opinion, and a lie of Satan. We need to stand firm, so that the least amount are lost to this lie. We need to continue to fight the good fight, not for our glory, but His, and His alone.
Jesus said that those who are for Him are certainly not against Him. With these at Focus on the Family, we will stand with Jesus upon His return.
Admittedly, I have had some issues with Dobson, but quite honestly he has been used by God over the years. My kids love the Odyssey series and we've had some great discussions over some of the episodes. The gay community has been relentless in it's assault on traditional family values - don't you just love how the use the word "hate" and all its derivatives? They seem to use this word incessantly to browbeat all those opposed to them. Come on people- don't you see their own hate. They froth at the mouth toward anything having to do with God. Seriously.
FoF shouldn't go patting itself on the back... why would it want recognition from a "secular" organization that has honored perverts in the past? Oh wait, FoF is just as secular (they just toss a "Jesus" cherry on top sometimes).